Suwanee teen dies in apparent street race crash

[B18c1Turboed]

A Suwanee teenager has died in a crash Gwinnett County (http://g.ajc.com/r/Cm/) police said occurred during a street race.

Alexander W. Lebar, 18, was killed Friday afternoon when his car spun out of control at a curve on Suwanee Creek Road and collided with a mailbox and tree. He was pronounced dead at the scene, Gwinnett police said.
Investigators determined that Lebar and a friend, 18-year-old Reymond C. Edwards of Suwanee, were racing each other when Lebar crashed about 4:45 p.m. Edwards continued on after the crash happened but later returned, according to police.

Neither Edwards nor his passenger was injured. Police arrested Edwards on charges of racing and reckless driving. He was released Saturday on bond from the Gwinnett County (http://g.ajc.com/r/Cm/) Detention Center.

Police said alcohol was not a factor in the crash.


Someone dies and look at this moron

http://www.gwinnettcountysheriff.com/asp/oneimage.ASP

[nismo_92]

dam thats sad

[PURP]

some friend... nothing like watching them wreck and keep going...

[silversol]

the little fuck head looks happy about it!
http://www.gwinnettmugs.com/?city=All&date=2009-05-08&id=2009116522

[PURP]

the little fuck head looks happy about it!
http://www.gwinnettmugs.com/?city=All&date=2009-05-08&id=2009116522

What a real POS...

[ATL_EG]

who the fuck keeps going? what a pos

[81911SC]

That's messed up

[BKgen®]

Too bad it wasn't Thacker.

[Julio]

racing @ 430pm in Suwanee... = lol

[quickdodge®]

dam thats sad

How? This is great news. One more down. Not a damn thing sad about this. Later, QD.

[hondachik]

Apparently he wasn't a real friend.

[Nismo]

How? This is great news. One more down. Not a damn thing sad about this. Later, QD.

x2

[DirtyMechanic]

x2x3

[Atlblkz06]

The guy that died = dumbass.
The guy that watched his "friend" crash and left = dick + dumbass.

Stupid teenagers, you cant fuckin drive. Get your ego in check and get on with it.

[Frög]

Can't beleive he is smiling.. Wow, he should get involuntary manslaughter.. Thats what people usually get in those situations..

http://mugshots.gwinnettmugs.com/mugshots/2009116522.jpg

[BB1_Luda]

racing @ 430pm in Suwanee... = lol
for real.
like wtf are you thinking.

[On_Her_Face]

This was a friend of mine's little brother.

[Ruiner]

Probably too early to charge him until the investigation finishes. He'll probably get Vehicular Manslaughter if it turns out that he contributed to the racing before/during the crash.


Can't beleive he is smiling.. Wow, he should get involuntary manslaughter.. Thats what people usually get in those situations..

http://mugshots.gwinnettmugs.com/mugshots/2009116522.jpg

[black_e92]

Damn there goes his life.

[Atlblkz06]

Unless this guy hit the other guy's car causing the wreck, how is it manslaughter? They were racing and one just lost control.

[IndianStig]

I woulda dipped if I was racing someone and they got in a wreck, no fucking way im getting manslaughter charges against me.

[quickdodge®]

Damn there goes his life.

Fuck him. Later, QD.

[BanginJimmy]

I agree with QD on both accounts.

This is good news, 1 street racer dies before he gets a chance to kill someone else, and hopefully another spends some time behind bars. The only better outcome would be if both died because of their own stupidity.

[quickdodge®]

I agree with QD on both accounts.

This is good news, 1 street racer dies before he gets a chance to kill someone else, and hopefully another spends some time behind bars. The only better outcome would be if both died because of their own stupidity.

I've been giving out +78's all day long. It sure didn't stop here, lolol. Later, QD.

[black_e92]

Random question... But the guy that passed away, was he wearing a seatbelt?

[On_Her_Face]

Random question... But the guy that passed away, was he wearing a seatbelt?

Yes.

[Ruiner]

I woulda dipped if I was racing someone and they got in a wreck, no fucking way im getting manslaughter charges against me.

He had a passenger. The truth would have come out eventually.

[Atlblkz06]

High speeds + rapid deceleration = ouch.

They need to hurry up and invent inertial dampers. That stuff can really save lives.

[hondachik]

High speeds + rapid deceleration = ouch.

They need to hurry up and invent inertial dampers. That stuff can really save lives.

Or people could just slow down and go the speed limit instead?

[Echonova]

This is a tragedy. Not in so much the respect that someone died, he made his choice when he hit the gas pedal. But a tragedy in the fact that no one seems to ever learn from these events. To completely honest I am being a bit of a hypocrite because I used to street race, had friends die and it didn't stop me... Only time and growing up got me out (and getting really tired of dealing with the legal system). But someone's child is dead, someone’s friend will never return, yet the posts in this thread are predictable. Those who abhor street racing rejoice his death while those who participate in it shake their head and say it will never happen to them. Just like I did… Just like this kid did. I'm sure he had "skill" too... 4:30 in the morning??? Why there's no traffic so he was being "safe"... and I'm sure he knew the "limits" of his car. It's a sad ending to stupid act. But at least he died doing what he loved, right? I feel pity for the ones he left behind, they didn't get a choice. Can you be killed driving to work on 285 Monday? Sure. Anything can happen to anyone of us at anytime. But now his family has to deal not only with his death, but the fact he chose to die.

He decided to race his "buddy".
He hit the gas pedal.
He drove the car.
He lost control.
He chose to die.

I wish we didn't have to have threads like these, but as long as there are cars there will be races. As long as there are races there will be fatalities. I wish they could just be limited to the track, but with Killsforum, It's my grandma's car.net and countless other forums dedicated to street racing, it is here to stay. So are the fatalities. I pray the deaths would be limited to those who participate but sadly, that is not always the case. Next time you go street racing, I don't wish you harm or death. I wish you would reconsider doing it. The next thread might be about you or the innocent person you hurt/killed.

Didn't know the guy, but may God rest his soul.

[Atlblkz06]

This is a tragedy. Not in so much the respect that someone died, he made his choice when he hit the gas pedal. But a tragedy in the fact that no one seems to ever learn from these events. To completely honest I am being a bit of a hypocrite because I used to street race, had friends die and it didn't stop me... Only time and growing up got me out (and getting really tired of dealing with the legal system). But someone's child is dead, someone’s friend will never return, yet the posts in this thread are predictable. Those who abhor street racing rejoice his death while those who participate in it shake their head and say it will never happen to them. Just like I did… Just like this kid did. I'm sure he had "skill" too... 4:30 in the morning??? Why there's no traffic so he was being "safe"... and I'm sure he knew the "limits" of his car. It's a sad ending to stupid act. But at least he died doing what he loved, right? I feel pity for the ones he left behind, they didn't get a choice. Can you be killed driving to work on 285 Monday? Sure. Anything can happen to anyone of us at anytime. But now his family has to deal not only with his death, but the fact he chose to die.

He decided to race his "buddy".
He hit the gas pedal.
He drove the car.
He lost control.
He chose to die.

I wish we didn't have to have threads like these, but as long as there are cars there will be races. As long as there are races there will be fatalities. I wish they could just be limited to the track, but with Killsforum, It's my grandma's car.net and countless other forums dedicated to street racing, it is here to stay. So are the fatalities. I pray the deaths would be limited to those who participate but sadly, that is not always the case. Next time you go street racing, I don't wish you harm or death. I wish you would reconsider doing it. The next thread might be about you or the innocent person you hurt/killed.

Didn't know the guy, but may God rest his soul.
I'm pretty sure NO ONE here is rejoicing. This is a sad time for many involved, but I simply don't care since I'm not directly involved.

However:
"...racing a friend, 18-year-old Reymond C. Edwards of Suwanee, when Lebar wrecked around 4:45 p.m."

Excellent post though. :cheers:

[Echonova]

However:
"...racing a friend, 18-year-old Reymond C. Edwards of Suwanee, when Lebar wrecked around 4:45 p.m."

Excellent post though. :cheers: LOL... Wow I mis-read that fact. Maybe it's time to go to bed...

[BanginJimmy]

T But someone's child is dead, someone’s friend will never return,

I agree with this part 100% and I truely do feel sorry for this idiots family and friends. At the same time, I have absolutely no smypathy for this kid and his equally dumb friend.

Maybe I am a bad comparison because I have never been a speed freak or racer, but I have never raced before, and I have only reached 90mph maybe 10x in my life when not on a track. ALL of those times were before the age of 22. I know this kid was only 18 and was immature, but even at that ae you should be smart enough to know you cannot tempt fate forever. I learned a long time ago that you can do everything right, and still end up being the one that was killed. When you consider that, why would anyone add additional risk to an already unpredictable situation. Face it people, every time you get in your car and get on the road, your life is in someone else's hands.

[§treet_§peed]

shit happens

[Frög]

Probably too early to charge him until the investigation finishes. He'll probably get Vehicular Manslaughter if it turns out that he contributed to the racing before/during the crash.

Vehicular! Thats what it is! Thanks Mr. Lawyer! :D

But yeah, I hare when people get charged with that, when they raced and the other guy messes up! Its not really his fault, but the mere fact he is smiling makes me wish he gets screwed..

[quickdodge®]

I'm pretty sure NO ONE here is rejoicing.

I'm not "rejoicing," but I am completely satisfied at the outcome.

Echo, I see what you're saying, but idiots like that have no business living. It's a service to regular people when they are taken out. They don't care about the safety of others so why should others care about the safety of him. It's sad for his parent, yes, I agree. But not for him.

I'm right there with you on about 98% of your post. I also wish it would stop. I also wish people would get a clue. But it won't. Later, QD.

[ueyedgr8tness]

Sry but if you wrecked while were racing i am not coming back 4 you no matter how close we where growing up.I just think we both agree to do it which means we both to the risk and he just lucked out.But this is sad that the kid died and i think ppl that thinks its funny should be shot in the head because there is nothing funny about it even if they where doing wrong !



P.S and QD he has just a right to living as you do, u break rules in another way i am sure.I am sry but no 1 diserves to die on this at all.And hey it was 4.30 in the morning who is really out on those streets at that time anyway with there family?

[quickdodge®]

Sry but if you wrecked while were racing i am not coming back 4 you no matter how close we where growing up.I just think we both agree to do it which means we both to the risk and he just lucked out.But this is sad that the kid died and i think ppl that thinks its funny should be shot in the head because there is nothing funny about it even if they where doing wrong !


There were passengers. The dude that took off would have been caught.



P.S and QD he has just a right to living as you do, u break rules in another way i am sure.I am sry but no 1 diserves to die on this at all.And hey it was 4.30 in the morning who is really out on those streets at that time anyway with there family?

You're right in that everyone has a right to live. But when you start messing with the safety of others, he has every right to go ahead and perish. And thankfully, he did without anyone else going with him.

And for the latter part of this paragraph I say:

PEOPLE, PLEASE READ THE ARTICLE BEFORE MAKING COMMENTS!!!


THIS HAPPENED IN THE AFTERNOON AND NOT IN THE MORNING!!!

And who cares, stay_up, what time it happened? Who are you to say that no one can be coming home at whatever time they come home? All you seem to be doing is justifying this idiot's crime. He got what he deserved and that's that. Later, QD.

[B18c1Turboed]

Unless this guy hit the other guy's car causing the wreck, how is it manslaughter? They were racing and one just lost control.

Because they where racing. When you are doing something illegal and another the other party dies from it. You can and will be charged with it. I have seen it happen alot of times here in ATL alone. Eventually he will be rearrested.

Im sorry but if i was racing , it would be a hard desicion on too stop or keep going. We all know what can happen, thats why i personally dont street race anymore. A few minutes of satisfactionisnt worth it too me. I rather do it on the track, where i know ill be safe if anything where to happen.

[Atlblkz06]

I agree. I'm tempted to street race for just a second, and then I go:

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/image.php?u=186&dateline=1184614324

[DirtyMechanic]

I'm not "rejoicing," but I am completely satisfied at the outcome.

Echo, I see what you're saying, but idiots like that have no business living. It's a service to regular people when they are taken out. They don't care about the safety of others so why should others care about the safety of him. It's sad for his parent, yes, I agree. But not for him.

I'm right there with you on about 98% of your post. I also wish it would stop. I also wish people would get a clue. But it won't. Later, QD.i believe the word you are looking for is darwinism. survival of the fittest err, survival of the strongest errr again.... ahhh survival of the smartest.

[C-loS109]

everything i have to say about this has been posted. the only people i feel sorry for is both their families and friends. 2 people "lost" their lives that afternoon, one literally and the other one will land in jail sooner or later... i would feel sorry for the dude that didnt crash but that motherfucker seems like he doesnt give 2 shits about it so i hope to god he rots in jail.

[X-Runner]

Oh wow, I just found out this is a friends sisters, boy friend. No pitty from me.

[Doppelgänger]

BTW guys.. there are some important details that the news flucked up..as usual.

Alex was not outright "racing" the Accord. Alex had met up with some friends at the park down the street and they all left. Well, Alex went to pass Raymond and during the pass he saw a oncoming car and swerved back over which caused him to spin off the road. According to multiple witnesses, Raymond did not leave.. but stopped and tried to help. The propblem came with the nearly 20 minute response time from the EMT's. Adam, Alex's older brother is a friend of mine....and I simply cannot imagine what he is going through as they were very close. The curve this happened on has claimed many cars too...not just Alex :(
Oh and Raymond's charges do not include anything related to Alex's death.

[white_rice]

that fucking ricer goes to my school everytime i drive by he revs his motor..

[AirMax95]

BTW guys.. there are some important details that the news flucked up..as usual.

Alex was not outright "racing" the Accord. Alex had met up with some friends at the park down the street and they all left. Well, Alex went to pass Raymond and during the pass he saw a oncoming car and swerved back over which caused him to spin off the road. According to multiple witnesses, Raymond did not leave.. but stopped and tried to help. The propblem came with the nearly 20 minute response time from the EMT's. Adam, Alex's older brother is a friend of mine....and I simply cannot imagine what he is going through as they were very close. The curve this happened on has claimed many cars too...not just Alex :(
Oh and Raymond's charges do not include anything related to Alex's death.


Interesting......

[JITB]

This was a friend of mine's little brother.


this should get you and the kills forum nice and pumped up for some races!!

[SidewayzS14]

BTW guys.. there are some important details that the news flucked up..as usual.

Alex was not outright "racing" the Accord. Alex had met up with some friends at the park down the street and they all left. Well, Alex went to pass Raymond and during the pass he saw a oncoming car and swerved back over which caused him to spin off the road. According to multiple witnesses, Raymond did not leave.. but stopped and tried to help. The propblem came with the nearly 20 minute response time from the EMT's. Adam, Alex's older brother is a friend of mine....and I simply cannot imagine what he is going through as they were very close. The curve this happened on has claimed many cars too...not just Alex :(
Oh and Raymond's charges do not include anything related to Alex's death.



Frohawk is right he wasn't racing. Alex didnt know how to drive very well and when u brake hard in his car it pulls severely to the left, he hit the brakes and spun around backwards and hit the tree that way. This isnt a case of some stupid kid racing, yes he was trying to pass his friend, but it was driver error he simply didnt know. Alex was a good friend of mine and me and his brother are good friends as well. Like i said this wasnt some stupid ricer racing so keep your comments to yourself please. I know some of you have kids and would never think it would happen to you. This a tragedy and alex will be missed.

[On_Her_Face]

this should get you and the kills forum nice and pumped up for some races!!


i contributed when it counted, and when people actually ran. instead of discussing shit for 3 weeks..and never racing. Its not rocket science, most of the races arent for money... just go and run and have fun and go home. This forums complicates shit..and makes it LAME!

and do you even race?


Still butt hurt I see from calling you out and as for my quote above looks like you should be getting pumped sine you "contribute".

Good post cocksucker.

[Got Milk?]

they were street racing, one died, who cares. Thats why there is a saying, TAKE IT TO THE TRACK! one less skreet racer out there.

[JITB]

Still butt hurt I see from calling you out and as for my quote above looks like you should be getting pumped sine you "contribute".

Good post cocksucker.


butt hurt no... HA! YOU Calling ME OUT? HAHAHA NEVER! street racing isnt my thing..i grew out of it. it was a phase to me....and i see the stupidity in it now. And i dont think its worth the participation. The KF is a joke...has been for awhile...its nothin new. Theres nothin to contribute, in that forum... its a bunch of grown men swingin off some dudes nuts..and bench racing...i choose not to contribute.

[Atlblkz06]

this should get you and the kills forum nice and pumped up for some races!!

Way to be a dick...:rolleyes:

[soul]

they were street racing, one died, who cares. Thats why there is a saying, TAKE IT TO THE TRACK! one less skreet racer out there.
reading ftl

[G.C]

r.i.p

[OnURleft]

May they rest in peace, and hopefully friends will learn from driving as he chose to drive today.
One track day would've saved his life.

[JITB]

Way to be a dick...:rolleyes:

shut the fuck up....

[Got Milk?]

reading ftl

Reading ftl? I read first post, and thats what my comment reffered to. When i made my comment i didnt refer to the whole thread, page 1-3. And if i missed something important, than i take my comment back.

[BAD SS]

Stupid teenagers, you cant fuckin drive. Get your ego in check and get on with it.

That's not entirely true. :goodjob:

[Atlblkz06]

shut the fuck up....

Whats your mom gonna say when she finds out you're talking like this?

[soul]

Reading ftl? I read first post, and thats what my comment reffered to. When i made my comment i didnt refer to the whole thread, page 1-3. And if i missed something important, than i take my comment back.
so its still reading ftl, cause you didnt read the whole thread an know the whole story. your -rep is null an void and makes you ghey, still love you no homo

[On_Her_Face]

shut the fuck up....

Man this guy is hard.

[soul]

Man this guy is hard.
its hard out here for a pimp?

[On_Her_Face]

its hard out here for a pimp?

I guess so man.

[TIGERJC]

nothing new when it comes to the news getting a story wrong

[JITB]

Man this guy is hard.

u got that right!

[Got Milk?]

so its still reading ftl, cause you didnt read the whole thread an know the whole story. your -rep is null an void and makes you ghey, still love you no homo

wow. you're retarded. So do you go through every fucking topic, page by page before you make a post? Please shut up.

[Doppelgänger]

they were street racing, one died, who cares. Thats why there is a saying, TAKE IT TO THE TRACK! one less skreet racer out there.
You really are quite the inbred retard, aren't you? Hope the days comes when the news story involves you...so we can misconstrue everything and write you off as the moron you really are :goodjob:

[soul]

wow. you're retarded. So do you go through every fucking topic, page by page before you make a post? Please shut up.
no i usually just read the last couple of post and if you would have just done that, well you wouldnt be gay

[XanRules]

this should get you and the kills forum nice and pumped up for some races!!
heh. Kills forum.
Heh.

[XanRules]

that fucking ricer goes to my school everytime i drive by he revs his motor..
not anymore he doesn't!

[Got Milk?]

no i usually just read the last couple of post and if you would have just done that, well you wouldnt be gay

lol.

/yourlife.

And where do you see on page one anything about him not racing or w.e. it was stated later on that i missed.

[soul]

not anymore he doesn't!
wrong so wrong but made me laugh

[soul]

lol.

/yourlife.

And where do you see on page one anything about him not racing or w.e. it was stated later on that i missed.
it was two post above yours

[Got Milk?]

it was two post above yours

lol yeah, i forgot to check every post before i made mine. sorry, from now on ill check all pages before i make a reply. srry

[soul]

lol yeah, i forgot to check every post before i made mine. sorry, from now on ill check all pages before i make a reply. srry
ill let it slide this time :ninja:

[LeX]

Don't street race. I have no pity for you if you die. Few of us do. And many of us would straight up kill you in your sleep if you killed one of our friends while doing it

[Doppelgänger]

^^ Guess you didn't see post #44/48 either??

[Atlblkz06]

It really sucks that the EMTs didn't show up till later. The EMTs showed up late when my neighbor had an emergency and she ended up dying - quite sad. I'm not sure what to think about that, or what to do...

[LeX]

^^ Guess you didn't see post #44/48 either??

perhaps he wasn't 'racing' but i'm sure they were traveling too fast which would still be classified as wreckless driving, and if he had hit another car as opposed to a tree it would still mean that someone else's life could be in jeopardy..

[Doppelgänger]

I really don't like to speculate, but honestly, i'd say that if he had hit another car, the outcome might have been better on his end..at the possible cost of injuring others....a 85 Corolla isn't exactly a tank, more like a tin can. With such conditions and the car involved.. it may have taken only going 10mph over the speed limit to cause a fatality and how many of us do 10 over on a regular basis. I guess what i'm saying is it doesn't take someone doing 75mph+ (like many peoplewould be quick to think) to cause a very bad accident.

Heck LeX, you have a 510.... you know how much damage could possibly be done from minimal impact. Think what a tree to the drivers door at 45mph would do... it's not pretty...

-Disclaimer: I'm not stating facts, more or less playing devil's advocate.

[LeX]

I really don't like to speculate, but honestly, i'd say that if he had hit another car, the outcome might have been better on his end..at the possible cost of injuring others....a 85 Corolla isn't exactly a tank, more like a tin can. With such conditions and the car involved.. it may have taken only going 10mph over the speed limit to cause a fatality and how many of us do 10 over on a regular basis. I guess what i'm saying is it doesn't take someone doing 75mph+ (like many peoplewould be quick to think) to cause a very bad accident.

Heck LeX, you have a 510.... you know how much damage could possibly be done from minimal impact. Think what a tree to the drivers door at 45mph would do... it's not pretty...

-Disclaimer: I'm not stating facts, more or less playing devil's advocate.

oh yeah 510 is not something you want to get in a crash in. I wouldnt drive fast around a corner either with a worn out factory rear leaf spring suspension on my wagon.

[XanRules]

It really sucks that the EMTs didn't show up till later. The EMTs showed up late when my neighbor had an emergency and she ended up dying - quite sad. I'm not sure what to think about that, or what to do...
Same with one of my buddies.
EMTs took their sweet time.
She died.

[UpSideDownDesi]

Had a idiot try to race me in my FD and he had a 98-02 Accord couple 4 banger ricer bolt on. When are they going to learn?

Prayers for the family, and hope the other guys spends his young adulthood in prison as a lesson and miss the best damn part of his life.

[SKUNK2GUY]

that dude is in jail right now for possesion of a firearm during a crime and possesion with intent to distribute no bond

[speedminded]

BTW guys.. there are some important details that the news flucked up..as usual.

Alex was not outright "racing" the Accord. Alex had met up with some friends at the park down the street and they all left. Well, Alex went to pass Raymond and during the pass he saw a oncoming car and swerved back over which caused him to spin off the road. According to multiple witnesses, Raymond did not leave.. but stopped and tried to help. The propblem came with the nearly 20 minute response time from the EMT's. Adam, Alex's older brother is a friend of mine....and I simply cannot imagine what he is going through as they were very close. The curve this happened on has claimed many cars too...not just Alex :(
Oh and Raymond's charges do not include anything related to Alex's death.Whoa, is this the white AE86 from the shop?

[Doppelgänger]

Sunnny- Are you another person who posts before reading?? see post #44/48.. you might want to.

SKUNK2GUY - Ummm no... he was arrested on reckless driving and that's all.

Jason- Yes :(

[speedminded]

Sunnny- Are you another person who posts before reading?? see post #44/48.. you might want to.

SKUNK2GUY - Ummm no... he was arrested on reckless driving and that's all.

Jason- Yes :(Son of a bitch, Adam's brother? I had several people ask me if I had heard about an accident in Suwanee but didn't know who was involved and neither did they. I saw Adam's car at Thomas' party Saturday night but couldn't find him anywhere and then I saw he dipped early...this definitely would explain why.

If the media reported the incident wrong I'd request a statement be made, both for the arrested subject and the family of both. I barely knew Alex but the few times I worked on his car he seemed honest and genuine.

[JDMbabe]

the little fuck head looks happy about it!
http://www.gwinnettmugs.com/?city=All&date=2009-05-08&id=2009116522

wtf, he does look happy real POS right there :2up:

[ShooterMcGavin]

:yay: another idiot off the streets.

[soul]

:yay: another idiot off the streets.
look another one :rolleyes:

[iEvo]

yea that was a buddy of mines lil brother. he had a sick ae86. they were tellin me he was having some braking problems and then it would pull hard to the left when u would hammer on the brakes. not sure if that caused the wreck but i wouldnt doubt it

[Hektik]

poor mailbox