obama is a muslim......so we're changing our dollar

[wrekonize]

so i guess the dollar will say "IN ALLAH WE TRUST"

In an interview last week, Barack Obama accidently admits he's a Muslim!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auwe-aGF4Lo&feature=PlayList&p=97477859B66E01E6&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=17

IF YOUR GONNA WRITE SOMETHING FUNNY - LEARN TO SPELL RIGHT.

[Vteckidd]

LOL thats a stretch. Only he knows what he is and what he isnt.

I dont think hes admitting hes a muslim, he made a slip up, i wouldnt get to alarmed by it. If we went by every thing politicians said, this is the last thing we would have to be worried about

[IndianStig]

lol that shit is old as hell

[SL65AMG]

lol that shit is old as hell

who cares?

[eraser4g63]

once again this is old but nice try

[preferredduck]

once again this is old but nice try

dude this man runs the country and everyone thought he was smart, once again he may have the brain capacity of bush.

[eraser4g63]

I am not doubting that, but these points and counter points have already been made in the forum. All it is going to do is rile up total blender with his bullshit and I am to the point now where I am not surprised by this administration any more.

[tippatone]

Everybody is all in Obama's shit, did we forget that the Bush Admin allowed people to be tortured, please give me a break

[eraser4g63]

Everybody is all in Obama's shit, did we forget that the Bush Admin allowed people to be tortured, please give me a break

I honestly feel that they did what was right. They obtained information that we would have other wise not gotten. They save untold lives with the information that they obtained. Then again I am the same person that believes they should bring back public executions and once some one has been sentenced to death they should take em out back and shoot em because it would curb the crime rate.

[BanginJimmy]

Everybody is all in Obama's shit, did we forget that the Bush Admin allowed people to be tortured, please give me a break


Please show proof that contains the definition of torture and the methods of torture used.

You will find that water boarding, which is the harshest method I know to be used, does not fit the international definition of torture.

[eraser4g63]

Every one is classifying what they did along the same lines as the Japs did in WW II, they did it a lil bit different. They filled the Prisoners stomach of the POWs with water the commenced to make them regurgitates it while being inclined on the board. they also liked to use salt water ( which will in-fact kill the person due to a wonderful process we call osmosis, if you don't understand it do some research on salt water drownings.)

[JITB]

it looks like someone broke the story..what will we do our president is a muslim!

[tippatone]

I honestly feel that they did what was right. They obtained information that we would have other wise not gotten. They save untold lives with the information that they obtained. Then again I am the same person that believes they should bring back public executions and once some one has been sentenced to death they should take em out back and shoot em because it would curb the crime rate.

You forget sometimes the innocent get convicted of thing they did not commit?? I assume you think happenings at Abu Ghraib was just also. If you think torture is right for the US to get info it should be just if it was used on our captured troops. Torture is never just. Say you were convited of a crime and was really innocent, would you want to take that walk out back and catch a bullet that was supposed to be for someone else?

[tippatone]

Please show proof that contains the definition of torture and the methods of torture used.

You will find that water boarding, which is the harshest method I know to be used, does not fit the international definition of torture.

Water boarding can kill you if done for an extended period of time

[eraser4g63]

Water boarding can kill you if done for an extended period of time

See Post 11.

[sirkus]

Torture does not work. Torture me and I'll tell you exactly what you want to hear as long as you'll stop. So it's not right.. it's also pointless. Israel figured that out several years ago.
Although.. I understand why it happened.. I just don't support the methods.

[Deke]

http://churchcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/facepalm_picard.jpg...

[SL65AMG]

Everybody is all in Obama's shit, did we forget that the Bush Admin allowed people to be tortured, please give me a break


there is a reason to torture someone. to get information from them you WILL NOT otherwise get. there is also a reason that they are trained to RESIST torture.

you obama nutswingers think that the world can be a happy perfect place and it just isnt so....

[sirkus]

there is a reason to torture someone. to get information from them you WILL NOT otherwise get. there is also a reason that they are trained to RESIST torture.

you obama nutswingers think that the world can be a happy perfect place and it just isnt so....
You will only get the answers that you want if you torture. You will only get false information. If they have been trained to resist torture.. They will die with the information that they know.

I also don't believe in a happy perfect place. I just believe that torture does not work. :2cents:

[tippatone]

You will only get the answers that you want if you torture. You will only get false information. If they have been trained to resist torture.. They will die with the information that they know.

I also don't believe in a happy perfect place. I just believe that torture does not work. :2cents:

That is so true, That is how people take the rap for stuff they did'nt commit. Tell the people anything so the pain can stop, doesn't work.

[tippatone]

there is a reason to torture someone. to get information from them you WILL NOT otherwise get. there is also a reason that they are trained to RESIST torture.

you obama nutswingers think that the world can be a happy perfect place and it just isnt so....

An Obama nutswinger, NOT!!!! I just don't support torture at all! We don't even have to go all the way to the CIA to see torture..... alot of police did beat confessions out of people back in the day....who knows, it still can happen, all it takes is a PD that will cover for their cops.

[BanginJimmy]

You will only get the answers that you want if you torture. You will only get false information. If they have been trained to resist torture.. They will die with the information that they know.

I also don't believe in a happy perfect place. I just believe that torture does not work. :2cents:


You can believe whatever you want. The fact is that we got alot of very good info from enhanced interrogations.

I will agree with you though. The use of pain doesnt always work to get info. The use of things like sleep deprivation, forcing someone to stand for days, and other methods that attack the brain do work well. None of the methods that was used causes any amount of pain.


I assume you think happenings at Abu Ghraib was just also.

Not sure what this has to do with enhanced interrogations.


If you think torture is right for the US to get info it should be just if it was used on our captured troops.

Name a single conflict in which torture wasnt used on our troops.




Still no one has looked up the international definition of torture and stated what methods used violate that definition.

[tippatone]

Hey, BanginJimmy, take a look at these pics and then tell me about Abu Ghraib
http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=2444

This is what torture is:

15-02-2005 FAQ What is the definition of torture and ill treatment?
International humanitarian law prohibits torture and other forms of ill treatment at all times and demands that detainees be treated according to the rules and principles of IHL and other international standards.






The 1984 United Nations Convention Against Torture (Article 1) (http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/cat.htm) provides a definition of torture that is considered customary.

International humanitarian law (IHL) differs somewhat from this definition in not requiring the involvement of a person acting in an official capacity as a condition for an act intended to inflict severe pain or suffering to be defined as torture.

The ICRC uses the broad term "ill-treatment" to cover both torture and other methods of abuse prohibited by international law, including inhuman, cruel, humiliating, and degrading treatment, outrages upon personal dignity and physical or moral coercion.

The legal difference between torture and other forms of ill treatment lies in the level of severity of pain or suffering imposed. In addition, torture requires the existence of a specific purpose behind the act – to obtain information, for example.

The various terms used to refer to different forms of ill treatment or infliction of pain can be explained as follows:

Torture: existence of a specific purpose plus intentional infliction of severe suffering or pain;


Cruel or inhuman treatment: no specific purpose, significant level of suffering or pain inflicted;


Outrages upon personal dignity: no specific purpose, significant level of humiliation or degradation.

Methods of ill treatment may be both physical and/or psychological in nature and both methods may have physical and psychological effects.

[tippatone]

You can't put this war with other conflict the US was involved in for the simple fact this war on terror is not against a country, we are fighting terroist groups, with that being said we can stoop to terroist tatics.

[SL65AMG]

You will only get the answers that you want if you torture. You will only get false information. If they have been trained to resist torture.. They will die with the information that they know.

I also don't believe in a happy perfect place. I just believe that torture does not work. :2cents:

you are definitely right, but i wouldnt say that this is the case 100% of the time. im sure that there have been many times when they got real info out of someone that made a huge difference in the outcome of some event.


but do you think that just because they said something (true or not) that they just let the person go, HELL NO..... if they provide false information they go at it again. sometimes you dont have to torture someone to get them to speak. sometimes its just the thought of being tortured, or tortured again but worse for providing false information that will get someone to speak the truth....


EVERYONE has a breaking point no matter how tough they are....

[BanginJimmy]

Hey, BanginJimmy, take a look at these pics and then tell me about Abu Ghraib
http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=2444

Show me a single piece of official info that says regular soldiers are allowed to use the enhanced interrogations. I dont even think enhanced interrogations were allowed outside of Gitmo. Also notice that those people were prosecuted for it.


This is what torture is:

15-02-2005 FAQ What is the definition of torture and ill treatment?
International humanitarian law prohibits torture and other forms of ill treatment at all times and demands that detainees be treated according to the rules and principles of IHL and other international standards.






The 1984 United Nations Convention Against Torture (Article 1) (http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/cat.htm) provides a definition of torture that is considered customary.

International humanitarian law (IHL) differs somewhat from this definition in not requiring the involvement of a person acting in an official capacity as a condition for an act intended to inflict severe pain or suffering to be defined as torture.

The ICRC uses the broad term "ill-treatment" to cover both torture and other methods of abuse prohibited by international law, including inhuman, cruel, humiliating, and degrading treatment, outrages upon personal dignity and physical or moral coercion.

The legal difference between torture and other forms of ill treatment lies in the level of severity of pain or suffering imposed. In addition, torture requires the existence of a specific purpose behind the act – to obtain information, for example.

The various terms used to refer to different forms of ill treatment or infliction of pain can be explained as follows:

Torture: existence of a specific purpose plus intentional infliction of severe suffering or pain;


Cruel or inhuman treatment: no specific purpose, significant level of suffering or pain inflicted;


Outrages upon personal dignity: no specific purpose, significant level of humiliation or degradation.

Methods of ill treatment may be both physical and/or psychological in nature and both methods may have physical and psychological effects.

International humanitarian law does not apply to war though. The closest treaty to cover this would be the Geneva Accords. If we were to apply those laws, everyone we capture on the battlefield would be subject to summary execution for perfidy.

You notice that nothing that has been done constitutes torture by those standards right? The prisoners are actually told they cannot die from anything done to them.


And dont give me that shit saying that if interrogators go too far they can die BS because ANYTHING can kill you if you take it too far.

[tippatone]

I just have one question. Which country is the US at war with? Not Iraq, we took care of Saddam long time ago, what we have is a war against certain people who have different views than our own. I don't agree with all the bombings and terror tatics going on, but I am against this war, it is worth all the lives lost with no results?

[BanginJimmy]

I just have one question. Which country is the US at war with? Not Iraq, we took care of Saddam long time ago, what we have is a war against certain people who have different views than our own. I don't agree with all the bombings and terror tatics going on, but I am against this war, it is worth all the lives lost with no results?


Who ever said we were at war with a country? We are at war with terrorists, not people who have different views than our own.

If you dont agree with this war, then you must agree with Clinton's philosophy of "ignore it and maybe it will go away". Clinton empowered terrorists by not taking any kind of stand against them. Bush did take a stand and took the fight to them. We are FAR safer now than at any time under Clinton. So yes, it is worth everything that has happened to this point and much more.

[tippatone]

When did the attacks take place under Bush's watch. He ignored intel that was given to him, you feel safer, or is the media making you feel safe?

[tippatone]

Don't get me wrong, I hate these terriorist bastards more than the next man, but we have to find a better way of doing so. So another issue what do we do about these damn pirates? This is a problem we need to take care of.

[sirkus]

When did the attacks take place under Bush's watch. He ignored intel that was given to him, you feel safer, or is the media making you feel safe?
When I get scared I just look at my picture of Hannity. He'll make you feel all warm and secure. :rolleyes:
:ninja:

[tippatone]

When I get scared I just look at my picture of Hannity. He'll make you feel all warm and secure. :rolleyes:
:ninja:

Hannity is a trip!!!!!LOL

[BanginJimmy]

When did the attacks take place under Bush's watch. He ignored intel that was given to him, you feel safer, or is the media making you feel safe?


What intel did he ignore? I know you dont mean the very vague intel that said the US might be attacked using airplanes. That isnt enough for a single city to act on, not to mention an entire country. There was no mention of timeline, cities, number of planes. You should also drop this on Clinton. He had the same info that Bush had and did nothing with it. The terrorists came into the country under Clintons watch. The planning was done under Clinton's watch.

By your standards you should most definitely agree with the invasion of Iraq. The intel we used to go there was FAR stronger than what we had before 9/11.

I know the US is safer because the US hasnt been successfully attacked in 8 years. Name another president since Nixon that can make that same claim.

[BanginJimmy]

When I get scared I just look at my picture of Hannity. He'll make you feel all warm and secure. :rolleyes:
:ninja:


Yea, every time I feel like socialism is the key to success I turn on Olberman to solidify my views.

[ahmonrah]

i dont give a shit what he is, religion wise. if he's muslim, fine....

[Frög]

Admin's edit = WIN

[BanginJimmy]

Damn admins just trying to keep the regular man down with his spelling nazist ways.

[Frög]

OMG WAtching this video, I just ran into this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ-3VG3ush0&playnext=2&p=97477859B66E01E6&index=21&feature=PlayList&playnext_from=PL&ytsession=I9-cf5LLi6WLCWmTkC-1yk3zuCN6uLc4TW0PKKe6finYJWUqoXgmaZwgMDCmz--jjYcWyhqPZLneiA7EzzUrz-VXxqa6L5aSkYJR169chiB7YVp9fgyrv5wpUs0nCb7v9Xcbp67t nM9U7P7InTx3tNlB79BIF3HDpQo4XSYLpiluJC1O8NY_Oqs6d8 0945UUvv0KNgkFATdlF9tPuP1rakDwdi4oamiCsTgC0ioAbFk6 8Xft1nENirRvobqyMBq472yXbToIQ_ujdes8UsuLaA

Im so fucking upset right now..

[BanginJimmy]

LMAO at Jesus being black. I love to point out to people that Jesus most likely looked more like a shorter Osama bin Laden than the picture used in the christian faith today.

[TIGERJC]

op is a idiot

[itsnotarex]

http://churchcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/facepalm_picard.jpg...

This^^

[preferredduck]

Everybody is all in Obama's shit, did we forget that the Bush Admin allowed people to be tortured, please give me a break


well if you want my opinion bush, cheney, condy, and rummy need to be tortured, ohh and put pappa bush in there too with the clintons. the sad part is 8 of the hijackers from 9/11 are alive and not related to al qaeda(spell check) and from what i understand al quaeda is a name for something else over there and is not a terrorist group. i would say put a car battery to their nipples but bush and cheney might like it and go have buttsex.

look at it this way people, violence in iraq has been on the rise since we blew up innocent people and occupied the country. what do you think would happen if china came over here and said we are taking over b/c u suck with money. american people would resist in pockets they would call "terror cells" back in china. i'm sure some organizations do not like us, but look at out greedy track record since the 50s. :2cents:

[XanRules]

IF YOUR GONNA WRITE SOMETHING FUNNY - LEARN TO SPELL RIGHT.
The irony.
It is unbelievable.

[batlude]

in buddha we trust

[SL65AMG]

in buddha we trust
Allah......not buddha


although, "Allah" and our Christian "God" are the same.....

[redrumracer]

i didnt vote for the guy and i dont stand behind him, but his religion is his personal choice.

[Dr.G35]

Everybody is all in Obama's shit, did we forget that the Bush Admin allowed people to be tortured, please give me a break
i believe in what ever it takes to keep our country as safe as possible.

[patrick4588]

obama doesnt seem to be up front about his religion. he says he is christian, but slips up and says muslim there. if he is a muslim, just say so. its the fact i think he is hiding something that bothers me.

[SL65AMG]

obama doesnt seem to be up front about his religion. he says he is christian, but slips up and says muslim there. if he is a muslim, just say so. its the fact i think he is hiding something that bothers me.

he is hiding a lot more than his religion....

[speechless]

Honestly, if you think about it, Obama will most likely be on some form of currency. He's made a huge achievement being the first black president so I wonder would they put any kind of religious statements on it?