Do you believe in God? Simple question

[Chilanter]

This is what really, really turns me off religion. Those people are not content with having their faith. They insist on shoving it down everyone's throat. I got so tired of them knocking on my door every other weekend and refusing to believe that I wasn't interested that I finally invited them in....................to a mock scene of a witchcraft ritual. It could have backfired on me, but luckily it didn't. They have not been back to my house in over two years. Also, every time they come to the neighborhood and park their car in front of my house to traipse the area, I step outside with phone in hand and they immediately run to their car and move it.

Point is, I don't go to these people's place of worship and try to convince them their is nothing to their faith so don't come to my home and try to convince me of your beliefs. If I want to learn, I'll come to you. Later, QD.

I think you misunderstood my comment. I have no intention to trying to persuade anyone to believe anything. I assumed this was an open thread to discuss an understand different opinions on the same subject. No offense but I could honestly care less if you go heaven or hell.

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But yeah... I agree with you on this one. Believing is a choice. If you don't believe, fine. I'm not here to convince anyone otherwise. I don't have the Bible memorized and all the answers off the top of my head, and I'm sure there is someone more knowledgeable on the subject than me here. In fact, I may not even being doing a good job at relaying whatever is "approved" doctrine. I believe what I believe based on what I have experienced in my life. Nothing more, nothing less. I go to church to "continue my education" (for lack of a better term), but that journey will last for more years than I have left.

I'm a "not sure" person. I don't completely toss out the idea, but the stories in the Bible are just such fantastical, unbelievable tales. I'm just really on the fence.


No offense but I could honestly care less if you go heaven or hell.

Being that you're really not anyone in particular, no offense taken. Later, QD.

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LOL... And I guess anyone that believes in a divine power or differently than you are the closed-minded ones right?The belief that a "divine power" or a "creator" assists in evolution is aside from the theory of evolution itself.

[Echonova]

I'm a "not sure" person.To a degree we are all "not sure" people. None of us will ever know the answer until either 8lb 7 baby Jesus, the 12 Imam or the alien race that made us, comes back.

[-EnVus-]

I'm a big believer in the Bible and God and will announce it at free will. I also will not push my religion on a person just cause they are lost to the good word. God just ask us to simply try spreading the word of faith not forcing it.
Also QD, yes when I was young I always thought how did all thus stuff happen that's claimed in the bible?
Then I learned many things were different back then and just cause I didn't see it myself why couldn't it happen.
Many people feel this same way still today about the moon landing.
My wife didn't know anything about the bible and little about god when I met her.
Now I have her more religious then ever and wanting her very own bible.
She loves books like Twilight, or Vpire diaries etc. But thinks the stories in the bible blow them away.
Not only cause they very well could have happen but the idea of people who had very little knologe could even try making this stuff up.

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I'm a big believer in the Bible and God and will announce it at free will. I also will not push my religion on a person just cause they are lost to the good word. God just ask us to simply try spreading the word of faith not forcing it.
Also QD, yes when I was young I always thought how did all thus stuff happen that's claimed in the bible?
Then I learned many things were different back then and just cause I didn't see it myself why couldn't it happen.
Many people feel this same way still today about the moon landing.
My wife didn't know anything about the bible and little about god when I met her.
Now I have her more religious then ever and wanting her very own bible.
She loves books like Twilight, or Vpire diaries etc. But thinks the stories in the bible blow them away.
Not only cause they very well could have happen but the idea of people who had very little knologe could even try making this stuff up.I read the bible once, now I'm very happily atheist.

[RL...]

I think that what determines a persons religious perspective is 99% attributed to whatever their parent's religion is. People get born into a christian family, then that christian family conditions their child to learn the ways of their beliefs by taking him to church and so on and the cycle continues and the child simply "goes with it" since they're taught that since day one. However some people choose to question whether or not what they've been told all along is true or not but most people LIKE TO CONFORM and that is my opinion of the perpetuating cycle of religion. Or atleast one major aspect of it. When it comes down to it I think people are just too scared or weak to accept that we might be all "alone" and after this life, there is only death waiting for us and to be an individual and question the norm.

I personally do not believe in any religion, but I do believe something is out there. Whether it is a god, or whether it's just "nature" because from a logical point of view, believing in the bible takes faith, but at the same time so does the big bang. They both takes faith to believe in because neither have been 100% proven. I don't know about you but I'm not smart enough to understand the complexities of the math behind the "big bang" theory.

I will say though, I have no idea how a person can believe in the bible. I mean why would god go to such a round about method to teach us his ways? If he was all powerful and all knowing wouldn't he just implant his teachings in our brains instead of giving us a book which is ridiculous and vague and able to be interpreted into several version because for 10 ppl who read it there are 10 different opinions? In fact why would he go through the trouble of making the earth at all and doing all of this, when he knew what would happen to all of us before he even created anything! Since he is all knowing and all. The fact that he is an all knowing and all powerful god contradicts free choice right?

[RL...]

As far as aliens go....When you look up into the night sky and see all the little lights up there, those aren't stars. They're galaxies. Millions of galaxies, which contain millions of solar systems, which contain many more planets. You don't think there's a chance that one of those planets out of all x,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx of them don't have any type of life on it?

[Benefit]

Well i just watched "Rise of the planet of the apes"...is that what got you riled up about being evolved from monkeys?

[Benefit]

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[Benefit]

I mean why would god go to such a round about method to teach us his ways? If he was all powerful and all knowing wouldn't he just implant his teachings in our brains instead of giving us a book which is ridiculous

is this your only defense?

[Echonova]

I mean why would god go to such a round about method to teach us his ways? If he was all powerful and all knowing wouldn't he just implant his teachings in our brains instead of giving us a book which is ridiculous and vague and able to be interpreted into several version because for 10 ppl who read it there are 10 different opinions? In fact why would he go through the trouble of making the earth at all and doing all of this, when he knew what would happen to all of us before he even created anything! Since he is all knowing and all. The fact that he is an all knowing and all powerful god contradicts free choice right?Because a gift that is demanded is no gift at all.

As far as being all-knowing contradicting free will... Not sure how you're reaching that. For example: Just because I knew you were going to buy that Sentra three weeks before even you did, didn't stop you from buying it, did it?


As far as aliens go....When you look up into the night sky and see all the little lights up there, those aren't stars. They're galaxies. Millions of galaxies, which contain millions of solar systems, which contain many more planets. You don't think there's a chance that one of those planets out of all x,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx of them don't have any type of life on it?Who said anything about being alone in the universe? To take a quote from the horrid Jody Foster movie Contact... "I'd say if it is just us... seems like an awful waste of space."


But anyway, I'm not going to post in here anymore. The thread is about do you believe or not, yes or no. Debating it is pointless.

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Because a gift that is demanded is no gift at all.

As far as being all-knowing contradicting free will... Not sure how you're reaching that. For example: Just because I knew you were going to buy that Sentra three weeks before even you did, didn't stop you from buying it, did it?"Gods will" absolutely contradicts free will. It's claimed that god is all knowing and all powerful. If I was god, and I knew you were going to murder someone, exactly when, where, and how, and I could do something to stop it, but didn't, would that make "gods will" evil?


But anyway, I'm not going to post in here anymore. The thread is about do you believe or not, yes or no. Debating it is pointless.NOT debating would be pointless. Debate is a powerful tool we as intellectual humans use to expose others to different ideas and viewpoints and advance society. The great thing about science actually is that debate and peer review is encouraged

[CSquared]

"Gods will" absolutely contradicts free will. It's claimed that god is all knowing and all powerful. If I was god, and I knew you were going to murder someone, exactly when, where, and how, and I could do something to stop it, but didn't, would that make "gods will" evil?


I think giving children cancer is evil :)

[Benefit]

If I was god, and I knew you were going to murder someone, exactly when, where, and how, and I could do something to stop it, but didn't, would that make "gods will" evil?


he gave you a brain instead of controlling what you do

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he gave you a brain instead of controlling what you do

So then he isn't "all powerful" and free will exists, correct? If god gave us all brains, why would he give some people the capability to rationalize murder, rape, violent crime?

What about cramers example? If all things come from god, cancer, for example, must also come from god. Since we cant control cancer, is it in gods will that children must die from it?

[quickdodge®]

Debating it is pointless.



NOT debating would be pointless. Debate is a powerful tool we as intellectual humans use to expose others to different ideas and viewpoints and advance society. The great thing about science actually is that debate and peer review is encouraged

In a way, .blank, Echo is right. No one is introducing anything new. It's all just recycled material over and over again. This is not a topic that can be finalized. The only way to make that happen is to prove or disprove the existence of God. There is no way to convince non-believers to believe just as there is no way to convince believers that there is nothing to believe in.


I think giving children cancer is evil :)

That's another thing that always has me questioning any high being. If God was great and all loving, why would he have an Earth like this? Or why would he allow people to be born with abnormalities? You ever walk through CHOA? That'll make you question things real quick. Later, QD.

[Chilanter]

That's another thing that always has me questioning any high being. If God was great and all loving, why would he have an Earth like this? Or why would he allow people to be born with abnormalities? You ever walk through CHOA? That'll make you question things real quick. Later, QD.[/QUOTE]

Just another point of view,
Say we have a operating system, computer programs, and a administrator.
Lets say the administrator designed the computer programs to have free will
These programs were designed to work the operating system in which they were programed.
Now these programs are wondering where and why they came from.
These ideas came from free will is an attribute which was designed in them.
So the administrator uploads a certain application to a program to convey understanding to the other programs on their
level of understanding of why they exist.
No matter how much these computer programs debate an question who and why this operating system works this way,
they will never really come to a conclusion because their just programs with limitations that exist only through
through the will of the administrator.


Lets replace the operating system with this planet earth
The computer programs with humans.
The administrator with god.
An the uploaded application with the Quran.

[quickdodge®]

Just another point of view,
Say we have a operating system, computer programs, and a administrator.
Lets say the administrator designed the computer programs to have free will
These programs were designed to work the operating system in which they were programed.
Now these programs are wondering where and why they came from.
These ideas came from free will is an attribute which was designed in them.
So the administrator uploads a certain application to a program to convey understanding to the other programs on their
level of understanding of why they exist.
No matter how much these computer programs debate an question who and why this operating system works this way,
they will never really come to a conclusion because their just programs with limitations that exist only through
through the will of the administrator.


Lets replace the operating system with this planet earth
The computer programs with humans.
The administrator with god.
An the uploaded application with the Quran.

That certainly never answered the point of my question. Later, QD.

[CSquared]

That certainly never answered the point of my question. Later, QD.

Indeed.

Plus, following that example, why did god then create computer viruses?

Especially those that slowly kill children who never had a chance to live their life and most likely don't even understand what is happening to them.

Owned.

[Benefit]

a lion is a cat, a snake is a worm, a giraffe is a deer, and humans are monkeys

and planets are jawbreakers that spin on their axis, the sun was a planet at one point but it turned super saiyan

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a lion is a cat, a snake is a worm, a giraffe is a deer, and humans are monkeys

and planets are jawbreakers that spin on their axis, the sun was a planet at one point but it turned super saiyan

I really hope this isn't how you think evolution works. Lol

[quickdodge®]

I really hope this isn't how you think evolution works. Lol

I'm sure that he is mocking at this point. Later, QD.

[Benefit]

but...a lion is a cat

[RandomGuy]

that's semantics sir

By "cat" do you mean a Lion is a felid = True
or "cat"- felis catus = False

Makes a difference

http://gifs.gifbin.com/1232109585_dramatic%20cat.gif

[Benefit]

Taxonomy is semantics?

[Benefit]

The thing is, Creationist vs Evolutionist, there is no taking sides as both are right

[Benefit]

There is a bird, i mean pterodactyl outside my house

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The thing is, Creationist vs Evolutionist, there is no taking sides as both are rightExcept that creationism isn't based on any scientific fact or evidence

[Benefit]

even if god slapped you on the face and left your face tatted with "God" on it, you would still deny it

and like i said...if we evolved from monkeys, monkeys still praise god at the end of the day

[RandomGuy]

monkeys still praise god at the end of the day
???

Plz explain

[Echonova]

even if god slapped you on the face and left your face tatted with "God" on it, you would still deny it

and like i said...if we evolved from monkeys, monkeys still praise god at the end of the dayOk... I know I said I was done posting... But damn.


Just stop. You're not helping.

























If fact you're probably doing more harm, than good.








































































No, not probably... You are.

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even if god slapped you on the face and left your face tatted with "God" on it, you would still deny it

and like i said...if we evolved from monkeys, monkeys still praise god at the end of the day
If god came down and physically slapped me in the face, and then physically tattooed his name on my face, I would accept that he exists. Would I worship him? Absolutely not. The only written accounts we have are the "religious texts" and according to them, god is evil and not really worthy of me praising him.

[bu villain]

In a way, .blank, Echo is right. No one is introducing anything new. It's all just recycled material over and over again. This is not a topic that can be finalized. The only way to make that happen is to prove or disprove the existence of God. There is no way to convince non-believers to believe just as there is no way to convince believers that there is nothing to believe in.

It is important to note that "non-believers" don't need to disprove God to make their point because they aren't saying "God absolutely does not exist". They are saying there is insufficient evidence to prove that God exists so it shouldn't be stated as a fact when it may or may not be true.

[BABY J]

I am a non-believer. I would LOVE to be proven wrong. Being proven wrong means I just learned something. I like to learn. Unfortunately, believers would not love to be proven that they are wrong.

[quickdodge®]

It is important to note that "non-believers" don't need to disprove God to make their point because they aren't saying "God absolutely does not exist". They are saying there is insufficient evidence to prove that God exists so it shouldn't be stated as a fact when it may or may not be true.

I honestly have no idea what you mean, dude. Later, QD.

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What he's saying is that believers sometimes ask non believers and atheists to disprove god, and in doing so, are making a couple logical fallacies. You can not disprove existence of that which has not been proven to exist. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

[quickdodge®]

What he's saying is that believers sometimes ask non believers and atheists to disprove god, and in doing so, are making a couple logical fallacies. You can not disprove existence of that which has not been proven to exist. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Ahh. I got that. And I agree. It isn't up to non-believers to prove the non-existence as it technically hasn't been proving He even exists. There is a reason that believers aren't going to go to any lengths past telling you to read the Bible for proof, because they know they can't prove it. Later, QD.

[Benefit]

Go to google and type in "Slight Concavity"

[Benefit]

If you cum in the ocean it will turn into a amphibian human....in 1 million years though

[Benefit]

brb gotta go swing from trees

[Iconic]

So to all the the people that don't believe in god (or a creater), do you believe in a devil? I personally believe in god, I've always kept him in my head weather my day or life at the time was going terrible or great. I believe in him bc I got a second chance from him, I was at a hospital when i was younger, My heart stopped beating for 10 seconds. As far as all of us know, scientist can't bring everyone that dies back to life. Yes they have made the technology help people revive(heart jumper), but they can't do it 100% of the time. So does it mean they choose who can live? or is it completely out of their control?Ive seen mericales around me happen before and I high atheist or any form of universal pole caused this to happen. I'm not here to try to convince anyone to believe in him, but in my opinion I have a very strong believe in god, no amount of scientific theories will make me change otherwise. Hence the word "Theory" appears a lot on scientific facts that have not been proven to be true, So just theories like the scientist say. Just my 2 cents on this topic . . . .

[RL...]

So to all the the people that don't believe in god (or a creater), do you believe in a devil? I personally believe in god, I've always kept him in my head weather my day or life at the time was going terrible or great. I believe in him bc I got a second chance from him, I was at a hospital when i was younger, My heart stopped beating for 10 seconds. As far as all of us know, scientist can't bring everyone that dies back to life. Yes they have made the technology help people revive(heart jumper), but they can't do it 100% of the time. So does it mean they choose who can live? or is it completely out of their control?Ive seen mericales around me happen before and I high atheist or any form of universal pole caused this to happen. I'm not here to try to convince anyone to believe in him, but in my opinion I have a very strong believe in god, no amount of scientific theories will make me change otherwise. Hence the word "Theory" appears a lot on scientific facts that have not been proven to be true, So just theories like the scientist say. Just my 2 cents on this topic . . . .

Far too many people say "god is good ___happened today and it was awesome"! There's nothing wrong with believing in something that I don't, but if you think God gave you a second chance than that means you think he controls life here on earth. He controls and intervenes directly who lives and dies. So my friend's 3 year old kid who just got diagnosed with cancer, I guess God thought that he should have a hard life eh? I guess God liked you a little bit more than my friend Joe!?

The bottom line is if you came back from the dead, it wasn't God, or any other spiritual creature, sometimes things happen that science can't exactly explain and some people want to automatically say that just because science cant explain something it MUST BE GOD. It is what it is, something good happened, your life was saved, but don't talk about how God saved your life when he apparently has no regard for so many others.

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So to all the the people that don't believe in god (or a creater), do you believe in a devil? I personally believe in god, I've always kept him in my head weather my day or life at the time was going terrible or great. I believe in him bc I got a second chance from him, I was at a hospital when i was younger, My heart stopped beating for 10 seconds. As far as all of us know, scientist can't bring everyone that dies back to life. Yes they have made the technology help people revive(heart jumper), but they can't do it 100% of the time. So does it mean they choose who can live? or is it completely out of their control?Ive seen mericales around me happen before and I high atheist or any form of universal pole caused this to happen. I'm not here to try to convince anyone to believe in him, but in my opinion I have a very strong believe in god, no amount of scientific theories will make me change otherwise. Hence the word "Theory" appears a lot on scientific facts that have not been proven to be true, So just theories like the scientist say. Just my 2 cents on this topic . . . .

I don't believe in a creator or a devil. If your heart stopped, you were part of the 99.9% of people that science could save.

The word "theory" doesn't mean the same thing to a scientist as it does to you. In the scientific world, a "theory" is not an educated guess. It is a conclusively tested explanation of a phenomenon. Gravitation is a theory, The earth revolving around the sun is a theory

[E36slide]

Dimethyltryptamine- look it up changes the whole prospective of the idea of Heaven of hell.


If I need to explain I will.

I do not believe in a higher being just like I don't believe in Santa. Faith is a way to over come hardships. Christianity is a way to make money. One of the highest profiting company's and the oldest. Have you been to 12 stone? God said let there be a Starbucks and there was a Starbucks. Shit makes me giggle. I don't knock people having faith but you shouldn't say we're all going to "hell" because we don't have the same belief. Believe or not believing in evolution is the same as believing in a higher being that no one has proof of ever existing except a book that states the son of god speaks the words of his father. So If I came to you and preached the words of Santa clause and said I was his elf would you believe me?

Religion has started almost every war. Millions have died because of disagreeing over religious beliefs. Nothing wrong with praying it helps calm the mind to see what needs to be done to accomplish what needs to be done to overcome the situation. I've read the bible a lot so I'm not being bias I'm just a person that believes if I can't smell, touch, see or hear it then its not real. The idea that 2 people created 7 billion is moronic.

Just my 2 cents

[l Gizzy l]

^^ troof.

I dont believe in God for a few reasons. In MY life there hasnt been backing for it. I've worked since I was 14, and have been rewarded for such. I've been in accidents that "could have been fatal" but weren't because I was wearing my seatbelt and know what to do to brace for an accident. I dont believe this was "God", just circumstance. 99.9% of what goes on can be explained scientifically/genetically/etc. That other .1% isnt enough for me to believe in God.

Not to mention so much of Christian theories/reasoning has been disproven, and from my experience Christians are some of the most judgemental people on the planet. "Come to our Religion; it is the best, but if you dont believe in it, fuck you" Not to mention the condescending views on Homosexuality is the most idiotic "view" I've ever seen.

Yeah, not my style.

I do believe in Karma, however. BOOM. MIND BLOWN.

[E36slide]

^^ troof.

I dont believe in God for a few reasons. In MY life there hasnt been backing for it. I've worked since I was 14, and have been rewarded for such. I've been in accidents that "could have been fatal" but weren't because I was wearing my seatbelt and know what to do to brace for an accident. I dont believe this was "God", just circumstance. 99.9% of what goes on can be explained scientifically/genetically/etc. That other .1% isnt enough for me to believe in God.

Not to mention so much of Christian theories/reasoning has been disproven, and from my experience Christians are some of the most judgemental people on the planet. "Come to our Religion; it is the best, but if you dont believe in it, fuck you" Not to mention the condescending views on Homosexuality is the most idiotic "view" I've ever seen.

Yeah, not my style.

I do believe in Karma, however. BOOM. MIND BLOWN.

^ x2

[BABY J]

So to all the the people that don't believe in god (or a creater), do you believe in a devil? I personally believe in god, I've always kept him in my head weather my day or life at the time was going terrible or great. I believe in him bc I got a second chance from him, I was at a hospital when i was younger, My heart stopped beating for 10 seconds. As far as all of us know, scientist can't bring everyone that dies back to life. Yes they have made the technology help people revive(heart jumper), but they can't do it 100% of the time. So does it mean they choose who can live? or is it completely out of their control?Ive seen mericales around me happen before and I high atheist or any form of universal pole caused this to happen. I'm not here to try to convince anyone to believe in him, but in my opinion I have a very strong believe in god, no amount of scientific theories will make me change otherwise. Hence the word "Theory" appears a lot on scientific facts that have not been proven to be true, So just theories like the scientist say. Just my 2 cents on this topic . . . .

You can't believe in God and then NOT believe in the devil since they are part of the same rediculous story.

So "God" gave you another chance did She?? YOU sir are selfish.

Guess what - I don't pray, I make 6 figures a year. Is the God that I don't believe in showing me favor? Tell me about the things that you pray for that you DON'T get --- tell me about those. What about the MILLIONS of people that God is NOT good to. MILLIONS of devout followers who DIDN'T make it through their next cancer treatment. MILLIONS of people that die and who are more devout Christians than YOU are. But YOU get the magical nod and they didn't?? Laughable. The notion that "well, God is good to ME and that's all that matters" is a CROCK. There are MORE people that She is NOT good too - explain that one. LOL. The simple fact is that God (if She exists) is NOT good to a lot of the people a lot of the time. So you prayed for a job and you got job offers --- "God" MUST be good right? Well isn't that some selfish shit right there if I ever heard it. There are ALSO people who were praying for that same job who got told NO ... where is their God?? What about people that have a good job and lost it, became homeless and died?? What about kids getting pimped and raped in alleys asking for invisible help from "God" that never arrives. "God" is SOO good - let me tell you.

Look sir... in life you don't always get what you pray for, you don't always get what you deserve... you get what you get... and that's whether you believe in God or not. You got lucky to get another chance - and you praise this invisible being for that while that same being let/allowed/caused MANY others die.

So you say God speaks to you? WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU? Do you REALLY think that a God capable of creating all that we can see and taste and touch thinks YOU are THAT special that She is going to take time out of her day to speak to you? LOL. Don't forget --- She also is going to take time out of Her existence to speak to the MILLIONS of other followers too? Interesting. Bill Gates can't take time to speak to a Microsoft help-desk worker in Podunk Kansas, but God has time to speak to you and a billion and one other "believers". I find that interesting. You think that every bible-thumper has been created SOOOO uniquely that you have the "stuff" required to 'hear' from such a supernatural being? What SUPERNATURAL antenna or receptive device are you created with that allows such communication w/ this being?? I mean REALLY think about it... if a SUPERNATURAL all-knowing and all-controlling God as powerful as you claim him to be so much as WHISPERED to you your head would probably fucking explode.

[Echonova]

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[l Gizzy l]

You can't believe in God and then NOT believe in the devil since they are part of the same rediculous story.

So "God" gave you another chance did She?? YOU sir are selfish.

Guess what - I don't pray, I make 6 figures a year. Is the God that I don't believe in showing me favor? Tell me about the things that you pray for that you DON'T get --- tell me about those. What about the MILLIONS of people that God is NOT good to. MILLIONS of devout followers who DIDN'T make it through their next cancer treatment. MILLIONS of people that die and who are more devout Christians than YOU are. But YOU get the magical nod and they didn't?? Laughable. The notion that "well, God is good to ME and that's all that matters" is a CROCK. There are MORE people that She is NOT good too - explain that one. LOL. The simple fact is that God (if She exists) is NOT good to a lot of the people a lot of the time. So you prayed for a job and you got job offers --- "God" MUST be good right? Well isn't that some selfish shit right there if I ever heard it. There are ALSO people who were praying for that same job who got told NO ... where is their God?? What about people that have a good job and lost it, became homeless and died?? What about kids getting pimped and raped in alleys asking for invisible help from "God" that never arrives. "God" is SOO good - let me tell you.

Look sir... in life you don't always get what you pray for, you don't always get what you deserve... you get what you get... and that's whether you believe in God or not. You got lucky to get another chance - and you praise this invisible being for that while that same being let/allowed/caused MANY others die.

So you say God speaks to you? WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU? Do you REALLY think that a God capable of creating all the we see and taste and touch thinks YOU are THAT special that She is going to take time out of her day to speak to you? LOL. Don't forget --- She also is going to take time out of Her existence to speak to the MILLIONS of other followers too? Interesting. Bill Gates can't take time to speak to a Microsoft help-desk worker in Podunk Kansas, but God has time to speak to you and a billion and one other "believers". I find that interesting. You think that every bible-thumper has been created SOOOO uniquely that you have the "stuff" required to 'hear' from such a supernatural being? What SUPERNATURAL antenna or receptive device are you created with that allows such communication w/ this being?? I mean REALLY think about it... if a SUPERNATURAL all-knowing and all-controlling God as powerful as you claim him to be so much as WHISPERED to you your head would probably fucking explode.

you seem very angry....

woosah, woosah.

[BABY J]

^ Jesus made me type that. LOL

[Iconic]

RL I definitely see where your coming from. And I'm sorry to hear about the cancer thing and your friend. I'm not here to brag about me being alive. Your right I did get lucky. No I'm not saying that spoke to me and all I was just stating my opinion like the thread said.
Baby J no one is trying to start a bragging contest on the income you make. Good for you though, but honestly I could care less whether you make 6 figures or 13k a year.
baby J who the fuck are you to even try and judge me you dont know me. I was just stating my opinion like the thread said. If I knew you were gonna get butt hurt on opinions then I wouldn't of even posted anything to begin with.
Overall I do see where yall are coming from and there is valid points. Idk why there is so many people that suffer throughout the world and I do feel sorry for them I wish things could turn around for them. And yes Christian people are some of the most judgmental people out there. Thats wrong I personally don't judge anyone. Nd im not as close to god as y'all are making me seem I am, far from it actually but that was my opinion . . .

[BABY J]

I'm not judging you - not my job. Nor am I bragging. I just see that critical thinking is VERY much so lacking in today's society. You don't even have to think hard to dismantle the entire argument. Does that mean I know what the answer is - nope.

The notion that a God capable of everything that society gives him credit for will create MILLIONS of his "best" creation for the sole purpose of being worshipped by those creations is a God with a SERIOUS ego problem. Oh yeah - don't forget to kneel - and don't forget to cup your hands jusssssst right or it won't work. Tell me how great I am and I'll reward you w/ everlasting life (after I let you die 1st). But if you don't kneel - if you don't bow - if you don't broadcast my greatness I'll send you to this special place I created and let you burn the fuck up.

LOL. No thanks - I'd rather not serve/worship a being like that. Count me out - that's all I'm sayin'. :)

[BABY J]

Whatever you guys need to believe in to wake up happy and healthy and enjoy your 80 or so years (if you're lucky) on this rock is alright with me as long as you don't try to infect me with it. I'm fine with it - really. If that's a magical guy on a throne - so be it. :) If that's "streets of gold" kool. The funny thing is - that gold is not even the hot ticket anymore. LOL. I think the phonies that wrote the bible weren't thinking long term - they weren't thinking that in a few thousand years there'd be materials MUCH better and rare than gold. Woops. Maybe God is losing his net worth. The "timeless" word(s) of "God" aren't exactly timeless anymore are they?

Good luck to all.

[Echonova]

http://panicdots.com/2012/04/if-jesus-was-a-bro/

[Western.]

Simple Answer: Absolutely.

[Gashbell4595]

Nah.

[Iconic]

Actually Baby J your right lol, I was at lunch when I replied so i just skimmed through the posts. Didn't really take time to read it in detail. And thats what i've been sayin, I didnt post to try to convince anyone to believe in god and come to a church and all. I posted bc that was my opinion, I stay open minded though without a doubt, I respect anyone's opinion or view on things!

[-EnVus-]

Saying "I don't believe" and saying "He doesn't exist" need to be clarified as two different opinions. Many can just choose to not believe or follow God while denying his existence is just ignorance toward others beliefs or ways. Yes lots of worshipers will bash on those who deny him yet the ones denying are just bashing them for believing by saying he is not real.

[l Gizzy l]

Saying "I don't believe" and saying "He doesn't exist" need to be clarified as two different opinions. Many can just choose to not believe or follow God while denying his existence is just ignorance toward others beliefs or ways. Yes lots of worshipers will bash on those who deny him yet the ones denying are just bashing them for believing by saying he is not real.

that's not true at all. You can say he doesnt exist without condemning those who follow his teachings. Those arent even remotely connected, and that's blindly generalizing an entire group of people...On the other hand, however. It seems CHRISTIANS are the ones saying "I'll be damned to an eternity in hell" if I dont follow God. Dont remember the last time I was persuaded AGAINST God...seems one group is more open minded than the other, more relaxed, and more forgiving.

And what a person feels or believes is hardly ignorance, as you cannot control it.

[Bacon]

God does not exist.

kthx.

[BABY J]

^ LOL. Bacon has spoken.

[-EnVus-]

God does exist and is real Its better to have some hope then no hope.

[Bacon]

God does not exist. Period.

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[l Gizzy l]

God does exist and is real Its better to have some hope then no hope.

Different forms. Why not put that Hope and reliance in yourself rather than someone that hasnt ever been proven to exist?

[-EnVus-]

Different forms. Why not put that Hope and reliance in yourself rather than someone that hasnt ever been proven to exist?
So all the biblical proof and scrolls is not sufficient enough for a God yet you believed in Santa just cause you was told he was real ?

[Bacon]

So all the biblical proof and scrolls is not sufficient enough for a God yet you believed in Santa just cause you was told he was real ?

Were you not told the same thing about your god? That he is real and you should worship him because he supposedly died for you? Have you met god?

[.blank cd]

So all the biblical proof and scrolls is not sufficient enough for a God yet you believed in Santa just cause you was told he was real ?

Do you have any physical evidence of God? Or is he just an idea

We may have believed in santa, but we got physical evidence he wasnt real and gave up the fantasy.

[-EnVus-]

Were you not told the same thing about your god? That he is real and you should worship him because he supposedly died for you? Have you met god?


Do you have any physical evidence of God? Or is he just an idea

We may have believed in santa, but we got physical evidence he wasnt real and gave up the fantasy.

I have not met God yet cause I am not yet worthy. You don't just meet God you must be blessed and approved by god to meet him.
If you try you can actually meet Satan for he visits many of his worshipers. Maybe you are one of those who must be lost before you are found.

[.blank cd]

So he is an idea at this point?

[-EnVus-]

So he is an idea at this point?
He is as I see him for he can be any and everything till the day we meet but for now he is a belief and faith of heart.

[quickdodge®]

So all the biblical proof and scrolls is not sufficient enough for a God yet you believed in Santa just cause you was told he was real ?

Lolol @ "Biblical proofs."

And are really comparing a mythical children's being to God? Part of the main reason why this isn't close to a comparison is that as you get older, you find out that Santa isn't real. You don't continue to go to places where you're told of fantastic stories of what Santa can do for you. You're not told to devote your life to Santa. Santa, as he is taught to us (as children, mind you), is nothing more than a bringer of toys to children.

I find it amusing that you even thought to compare the two, lolol.

[Bacon]

I have not met God yet cause I am not yet worthy. You don't just meet God you must be blessed and approved by god to meet him.
If you try you can actually meet Satan for he visits many of his worshipers. Maybe you are one of those who must be lost before you are found.

I have not met you; therefore you are not real. You are likely a spam bot posing as a human. I have met Echo, QD, .blank cd, silversol, and several other people on here so therefore they are in fact real live people. I am not personally one of those that worships Satan and I am not lost and need not be found. Define someone who is lost.

[-EnVus-]

Lolol @ "Biblical proofs."

And are really comparing a mythical children's being to God? Part of the main reason why this isn't close to a comparison is that as you get older, you find out that Santa isn't real. You don't continue to go to places where you're told of fantastic stories of what Santa can do for you. You're not told to devote your life to Santa. Santa, as he is taught to us (as children, mind you), is nothing more than a bringer of toys to children.

I find it amusing that you even thought to compare the two, lolol.
The comparison was a example of how soft and easy the human mind can be influenced. I feel God and his son our savior Jesus Christ in my heart and veins everyday. I once had some doubt but he showed me why I should not stray but to open my eyes even more.

[-EnVus-]

who is lost. A person seeking answers and knowledge to why things happen or life does what it does. No matter what every person can be lost if even for a second but its their choice to stay lost or to find the truth. If you choose not to then thats fine everyone is free as God created them.

[quickdodge®]

The comparison was a example of how soft and easy the human mind can be influenced.

Lolol. How the human mind can be influenced? As a three year old? You think? They also believe in the Easter Bunny. And the tooth fairy. A small child can be influenced and shaped by anything. I can tell a child that there is a giant surfboard that watches over surfers around the world and that child would probably believe it. Still no comparison, sir. Once that child grows, he or she gains more knowledge and can deduce that these things do not exist. If you want to try and go that route, go find older folks (or even teenagers) and try to sell them the story of Santa Claus. See if they're as soft and easily influenced as you think.


A person seeking answers and knowledge to why things happen or life does what it does. No matter what every person can be lost if even for a second but its their choice to stay lost or to find the truth. If you choose not to then thats fine everyone is free as God created them.

Just because that's what you believe it means, doesn't make it so. I'd love to know why a lot things happen the way they do. But I also know exactly where I am and what I am doing. I'm not lost by any means. "The truth," as you say, is only your belief of what it is. You don't actually know that what you think is the truth is really the truth.

[Bacon]

The comparison was a example of how soft and easy the human mind can be influenced. I feel God and his son our savior Jesus Christ in my heart and veins everyday.

You sir are delusional. You know not of the truth behind his existence so therefore you cannot feel what can't be shown. Let me explain something. Sit down.


First and foremost, I am personally an agnostic atheist. This, by definition, is a person that is atheist because we do not believe in the existence of any deity and we are agnostic because the belief in any one deity is unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact. You choose to read this book referred to by many as the bible. It's a book. Doesn't matter whether it's fictional or real. It's a book and probably one of the oldest books known to Man. Cat in the hat is a book and one of my favorite books to read. So, should I choose to refer to Cat in the Hat as my "bible" and believe that my deity is a cat wearing a hat I would be called insane and quite possibly unethical. You would call it absurd because we know for a known provable fact that cat don't wear hats unless they are trained to do so or you just want to dress your cat up. There is no proof, whether past or current, to show that god or jesus existed or is even a deity. The way I see it; god and or jesus is nothing more than a mythical or theoretical martyr the human race forms a union for and turns to just to escape from the reality we have made for ourselves called society for the mere glimmer of hope that the human race still has sanity. Santa cannot be compared to your god in any way shape form or fashion because we know he was never real and there is proof of this. Why are we not worshiping soldiers that die everyday for us? What's more important to you; your sins or your freedom?


A person seeking answers and knowledge to why things happen or life does what it does. No matter what every person can be lost if even for a second but its their choice to stay lost or to find the truth. If you choose not to then thats fine everyone is free as God created them.

So, according to this quote you are lost as well. You are searching for something that cannot be proven only for a little bit of hope.

[-EnVus-]

So just because I say he does exist you believe it must be argued the he does or don't ? Why is it you call me delusional but yet I have not said nor mention the same for you or others. I know God and his existence is not an argument so I won't ensue to begin one. I can only say he is real in my own personal opinion and that I wish all others believed also. You can choose what you think is the truth every is free to have that choice. I am in no position to give you proof that he does exist nor would I want to cause i am not a prophet just a follower of God.

[Bacon]

And I quote:


Saying "I don't believe" and saying "He doesn't exist" need to be clarified as two different opinions. Many can just choose to not believe or follow God while denying his existence is just ignorance toward others beliefs or ways. Yes lots of worshipers will bash on those who deny him yet the ones denying are just bashing them for believing by saying he is not real.

You call the ones that say he doesn't exist ignorant. Pot calling the kettle black. You are the kind of person that pushes their belief on others.....the kind of people I despise.

You say he exists because you can "feel him" in your veins and I say he does not exist because there is no proof he does. Which one of us is wrong? Has to be one or the other.

[-EnVus-]

And I quote:



You call the ones that say he doesn't exist ignorant. Pot calling the kettle black. You are the kind of person that pushes their belief on others.....the kind of people I despise.

You say he exists because you can "feel him" in your veins and I say he does not exist because there is no proof he does. Which one of us is wrong? Has to be one or the other.
So its a draw you say he does not exist and I say he does You have no evidence he don't I have none that he does.
I won't do what others would and say you are wrong and I can't prove I am right. Opinions we all have them

[Bacon]

So its a draw you say he does not exist and I say he does You have no evidence he don't I have none that he does.
I won't do what others would and say you are wrong and I can't prove I am right. Opinions we all have them

With that said, I have to respect it.
























Just know that since there is no proof that he does exist and proving he does is impossible, I am 1% more right than you. :D

[-EnVus-]

With that said, I have to respect it.
























Just know that since there is no proof that he does exist and proving he does is impossible, I am 1% more right than you. :D
Thats fine and just know I still will pray for you and all those you love.

[Bacon]

Thats fine and just know I still will pray for you and all those you love.

Wouldn't waste your thought process on me. May lose IQ points or brain matter.

[.blank cd]

He is as I see him for he can be any and everything till the day we meet but for now he is a belief and faith of heart.

So if I were to say I believed in unicorns, that there are books with unicorns in them, and I was sure they were real, does that mean unicorns exist? Would you call me delusional if I were to say something like that?

[-EnVus-]

Ill just leave this here......




http://i48.tinypic.com/2rz5ue9.jpg

[Bacon]

http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2011/12/24/9d930d1e-7499-4066-9fb8-b61b4c1ed8d0.jpg

[l Gizzy l]

So all the biblical proof and scrolls is not sufficient enough for a God yet you believed in Santa just cause you was told he was real ?

Ah, but yearly we got evidence that he was real in the form of presents, etc.

Not to mention we were children and unable to think logically and for ourselves at that point. However, once I became older I grew privy to the concept that he was not real, and I accepted it. Exact same situation with God.

The reason I dont believe the texts/teachings is the plethora of loopholes, for something that claims to be "the teachings direct", its flawed.

[E36slide]

So he is an idea at this point?

Exactly just like Santa. He's an idea.

We were thought when we were born to believe so we did. Kids in Africa and other third world countries are not thought religion so should they die in hell because they are not a true believer ? A dude went into a elementary school and shot 23 kids and you still believe there is a higher being who creates all of us? Please enlighten me.

Now how does 2 people create 7 billion ? Black, Asian, Spanish, white ect

The bible had obvious flaws pushing it more towards a fairy tale told to keep people in line. When you were younger you were told be good or the closet/under the bed monster will get you. This is how I think the devil came to play it was made up to make kids mind.

[l Gizzy l]

^^ Going off of his point

You believe "God" has a plan for all of us, correct? So you're saying all those families lost their children, the one subject that mean the MOST to them in their lives, for a "better cause". That it was better for them to be without their beloved, innocent children than to grow up with them, raise them, etc? I cannot believe that.

[-EnVus-]

^^ Going off of his point

You believe "God" has a plan for all of us, correct? So you're saying all those families lost their children, the one subject that mean the MOST to them in their lives, for a "better cause". That it was better for them to be without their beloved, innocent children than to grow up with them, raise them, etc? I cannot believe that.
John 3:16-21
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.

[05dc5s]

So if I were to say I believed in unicorns, that there are books with unicorns in them, and I was sure they were real, does that mean unicorns exist? Would you call me delusional if I were to say something like that?

One of those books being the bible. Lolol.

[Bacon]

John 3:16-21
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.

Bunch of horse shit.

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[-EnVus-]

Bunch of horse shit.

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Come into the light Robert we are waiting.....

[Bacon]

Come into the light Robert we are waiting.....

You would catch fire if I went towards the light. Keep believing your religion is right. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

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[BABY J]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/424214_560426577302506_1037231432_n.jpg


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[Bacon]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/424214_560426577302506_1037231432_n.jpg


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Legit.

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[-EnVus-]

http://i49.tinypic.com/1twyac.jpg

[chrisshiver]

yes i do

[Kevykev]

Yes, I am positive God is Real.

It's all the man made stuff that makes people undecided or simply not believe.

Let's think logical for a minute, Say the Earth formed from some cosmic explosion and formed single cell microorganisms etc. Then those organisms developed into who we are today etc etc etc.

Let's apply our system of Time to the Equation: If your mom and dad created you and your grandparent created your mom and dad etc etc... Keep going back in time to the initial creation, all the way to that explosion. What came before the explosion, what came before that per-explosion. etc etc.


Using our own logic can not even explain how this world works so there is obviously a force that operates above our level above our understanding above all. Something that was always here something without limits.

That's just the logical side of God, there is way much more to the story.

But hey being human means we get to place our faith in something - Even if it's nothing. Believing in something requires Faith because we don't even know if there's a Mars out there...we believe it without seeing.

If you believe this world is just "What you see is what you get" You simply made a conscious choice to only believe that. I believe in Science and I believe in God which operated above any science that we will ever know.

Just my side my folks. :D

[05dc5s]

http://i49.tinypic.com/1twyac.jpg


Yes, I am positive God is Real.

It's all the man made stuff that makes people undecided or simply not believe.

Let's think logical for a minute, Say the Earth formed from some cosmic explosion and formed single cell microorganisms etc. Then those organisms developed into who we are today etc etc etc.

Let's apply our system of Time to the Equation: If your mom and dad created you and your grandparent created your mom and dad etc etc... Keep going back in time to the initial creation, all the way to that explosion. What came before the explosion, what came before that per-explosion. etc etc.


Using our own logic can not even explain how this world works so there is obviously a force that operates above our level above our understanding above all. Something that was always here something without limits.

That's just the logical side of God, there is way much more to the story.

But hey being human means we get to place our faith in something - Even if it's nothing. Believing in something requires Faith because we don't even know if there's a Mars out there...we believe it without seeing.

If you believe this world is just "What you see is what you get" You simply made a conscious choice to only believe that. I believe in Science and I believe in God which operated above any science that we will ever know.

Just my side my folks. :D

"A Universe From Nothing" - Lawrence Krauss, Richard Dawkins - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjaGktVQdNg)


SOMETHING FROM NOTHING ? [OFFICIAL] Richard Dawkins & Lawrence Krauss [HD] 02-04-12 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUe0_4rdj0U)

[Sinfix_15]

Yes, I am positive God is Real.

It's all the man made stuff that makes people undecided or simply not believe.

Let's think logical for a minute, Say the Earth formed from some cosmic explosion and formed single cell microorganisms etc. Then those organisms developed into who we are today etc etc etc.

Let's apply our system of Time to the Equation: If your mom and dad created you and your grandparent created your mom and dad etc etc... Keep going back in time to the initial creation, all the way to that explosion. What came before the explosion, what came before that per-explosion. etc etc.


Using our own logic can not even explain how this world works so there is obviously a force that operates above our level above our understanding above all. Something that was always here something without limits.

That's just the logical side of God, there is way much more to the story.

But hey being human means we get to place our faith in something - Even if it's nothing. Believing in something requires Faith because we don't even know if there's a Mars out there...we believe it without seeing.

If you believe this world is just "What you see is what you get" You simply made a conscious choice to only believe that. I believe in Science and I believe in God which operated above any science that we will ever know.

Just my side my folks. :D

You're right.... the man made stuff. like this......
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/The_Holy_Bible.jpg


Yes, we cant understand the creation of the universe, the same way an infant cant cook his own meals or drive a car. That infant grows up and understands. Humans on this planet are in their infancy. We dont understand today, that does not mean we will never understand.

[Bacon]

umm....Mars does exist.

[bu villain]

umm....Mars does exist.

Whatever you religious zealot.

[On_Her_Face]

Yep I do. I probably posted this somewhere a few years ago.

[Relentless]

Hmm, only 98 people can handle the truth.

[05dc5s]

Hmm, only 98 people can handle the truth.

Really, lol.

[Relentless]

Really, lol.

They'll wake up one day, hopefully it's not too late.

[05dc5s]

They'll wake up one day, hopefully it's not too late.

Eh, doubtful.

[Bacon]

Whatever you religious zealot.

Unless you can explain what the hell we just landed a rover on......

.....looks like fucking Mars to me.

[-EnVus-]

Hmm, only 98 people can handle the truth.
Hell is like that one club where no one has to be on the list or show ID to get in. Satan even hates a non-Believer he also does not enjoy the fact he is denied existence if there is NO God.

[Bacon]

There is no Satan either.

[Sinfix_15]

Hell is like that one club where no one has to be on the list or show ID to get in. Satan even hates a non-Believer he also does not enjoy the fact he is denied existence if there is NO God.

There's no Satan.... he would have accepted one of the offers for my soul by now.

[Bacon]

Satan is a fictional tyrant made up to balance out the "good and evil" bullshit that religious fucks believe in. Gives people an option to further push them into believing that God and Jesus do exist.

[-EnVus-]

God is awesome its good to know he has given me so much in life.

[Bacon]

The bible was probably written by a playwright years ago.

Makes sense to me.

[RandomGuy]

http://vimeo.com/19666055

[quickdodge®]

God is awesome its good to know he has given me so much in life.

You mean, it's good to believe that he has given you so much. You don't actually know anything. I don't know that God doesn't exist just as you don't know that He does.

[On_Her_Face]

They'll wake up one day, hopefully it's not too late.

I'm curious, what would I be missing out on? Since I believe?

[.blank cd]

I'm curious, what would I be missing out on? Since I believe?

TBH, you're not missing out on anything. Atheists just don't recognize the social burden in believing in god. What I'm saying is, a lot of people were forced to believe in god by society, their parents or whatever. We recognize that it's ok not to. I used to be Christian, there's a certain weight lifted off your shoulders knowing that you're not going to hell

[Doppelgänger]

I don't believe in God nor do I belive in Heaven or Hell. I was not raised in a religious household either. To me, the whole "God" thing, regardless of which one you believe in, is a thought developed by humans to answer questions that had no answer at the time (and some of those questions exist today). It's a security blanket. Not that I am saying there is anything wrong with that either....though some "religions" are a little far-fetched. I also think the Bible is more or less a simple "guide to life" and should not be a literal interpretation. Hell, I often joke that someone was out kickin' it with nature for awhile and partook in some natural mind-altering substances and wrote a book about a great experience lol. Lastly, I don't believe that one must believe in (a) God in order to live a full and happy life while knowing the difference between right and wrong, and that those who judge such people are the biggest hypocrites walking the face of the Earth.

[On_Her_Face]

TBH, you're not missing out on anything. Atheists just don't recognize the social burden in believing in god. What I'm saying is, a lot of people were forced to believe in god by society, their parents or whatever. We recognize that it's ok not to. I used to be Christian, there's a certain weight lifted off your shoulders knowing that you're not going to hell


That's kind of what I was getting at but it is not like I'm "hedging my bets so to speak". My mom is a Christian, my dad has questions about religions and I believe in God and the Bible. I am for sure nondenominational though.

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That's kind of what I was getting at but it is not like I'm "hedging my bets so to speak". My mom is a Christian, my dad has questions about religions and I believe in God and the Bible. I am for sure nondenominational though.

It's ok to question religion. Questions are what makes us human and what advances us as a species. There are a lot more answers now than there were 2000 years ago. It's ok to believe in god too, its just some people like to skip the not being a douchebag asshole clause in the human manual. Lol.

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Even the Men who after killed Christ as he hang on the cross saw the Miracle of God and Knelled to confess the Lords name.

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Even the Men who after killed Christ as he hang on the cross saw the Miracle of God and Knelled to confess the Lords name.

Would you really expect the story to be written any other way?

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Would you really expect the story to be written any other way?
Its not a Story and actually it was attempted to be destroyed and told other ways but even the priest of their time wanted the world to know the truth.

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Its not a Story and actually it was attempted to be destroyed and told other ways but even the priest of their time wanted the world to know the truth.

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Its not a Story and actually it was attempted to be destroyed and told other ways but even the priest of their time wanted the world to know the truth.

It is a story but, it's not the truth. There are many canons, many creation stories and many explenations for things we didn't know. Whether anything was trying to be destroyed is irrelevant. Religion has been an inhibitor of factual information all throughout history. You're an atheist too we just disagree on the existence of one of the "gods".

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It is a story but, it's not the truth. There are many canons, many creation stories and many explenations for things we didn't know. Whether anything was trying to be destroyed is irrelevant. Religion has been an inhibitor of factual information all throughout history. You're an atheist too we just disagree on the existence of one of the "gods".
Actually pretty much all religions base off the same "GOD" they just differ on the Profits or patrons of belief. I think as long as we all at least have a God and knowledge of a creator its fine. The point of this whole Thread is to admit if you know of a "God" or just basically choose not to and believe he or she does not exist. Science exist and is real because God gave us all the Knowledge and products to us but I don't see how anyone can think we just Evolved or maybe came from Aliens.

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Actually pretty much all religions base off the same "GOD" they just differ on the Profits or patrons of belief. I think as long as we all at least have a God and knowledge of a creator its fine. The point of this whole Thread is to admit if you know of a "God" or just basically choose not to and believe he or she does not exist. Science exist and is real because God gave us all the Knowledge and products to us but I don't see how anyone can think we just Evolved or maybe came from Aliens.



You don't have to "think" or believe that we "just" evolved. You can actually see it, measure it and evaluate it unlike your God you it doesn't require faith to believe or understand it.

No not all religions are based on the same on the same God many religions and Gods were worshiped before yours.

Why do you need a God or a creator for things to be fine.? Can you not be good, do good and be happy under your own accord?

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You don't have to "think" or believe that we "just" evolved. You can actually see it, measure it and evaluate it unlike your God you it doesn't require faith to believe or understand it.

No not all religions are based on the same on the same God many religions and Gods were worshiped before yours.

Why do you need a God or a creator for things to be fine.? Can you not be good, do good and be happy under your own accord?
I am good and live a good clean life but with a love and praise to the person who gave me life. Also no way in hell did I evolve from a damn Monkey so until you or science can prove a better belief id rather live in what you call a fairy tale.

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I am good and live a good clean life but with a love and praise to the person who gave me life. Also no way in hell did I evolve from a damn Monkey so until you or science can prove a better belief id rather live in what you call a fairy tale.

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

If you believe man evolved from dust, why is there still dust?

Man didn't evolve from monkeys. No one believes that. Humans and primates are branches on the same tree of life.

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I am good and live a good clean life but with a love and praise to the person who gave me life. Also no way in hell did I evolve from a damn Monkey so until you or science can prove a better belief id rather live in what you call a fairy tale.

Well that's good to hear that you are good that and you love and praise your mother and father. FYI evolution doesn't say man evolved from a monkey, science isn't a belief so it doesn't take faith, and I never said you live in a fairly take. I suppose I could say though that you believe in one.

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Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

If you believe man evolved from dust, why is there still dust?

Man didn't evolve from monkeys. No one believes that. Humans and primates are branches on the same tree of life.
Yes he created man from dust/clay cause it is of the earth and when we are dead and done we can just return to the earth.

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Yes he created man from dust/clay cause it is of the earth and when we are dead and done we can just return to the earth.

So to you it's more reasonable for you to explain our origins from this infinitely non observable being that gave life to us from dust and clay than that we evolved from a similar ancestor similar to apes?

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So to you it's more reasonable for you to explain our origins from this infinitely non observable being that gave life to us from dust and clay than that we evolved from a similar ancestor similar to apes?
Yep if you think you are related to apes then good luck with that and don't fling feces my way.

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Yep if you think you are related to apes then good luck with that and don't fling feces my way.

Lol, there isn't "luck" either and it's not me that's flinging poop around.

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but I don't see how anyone can think we just Evolved or maybe came from Aliens.

Lolol. So to you it's unimaginable that we came from an explosion or evolution from other creatures (that are proven to be here), yet it is completely within the realms of possibility that an entity that has never been proven to exist just said "Let it be" and it was?

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I believe in God.

But I don't believe we came from dust.

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I believe in God.

But I don't believe we came from dust.

I'm guessing you mean evolution ? Big Bang theory...

Both more believable then the bible in my own opinion. They need to update the bible it's to fairy tale-ish. It's like them trying to make me believe in Santa clause all over again.


Sent from my mind

[Aeroscout977]

Michio Kaku: Is God a Mathematician? - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jremlZvNDuk#t=290s)

[Sil'vr-Boi6]

Big Bang theory...

Both more believable then the bible in my own opinion. They need to update the bible it's to fairy tale-ish. It's like them trying to make me believe in Santa clause all over again.

Big Bang theory is a show on CBS and also a porn....its script needs a revision like your evolution theory.

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Big Bang theory is a show on CBS and also a porn....its script needs a revision like your evolution theory.

What about evolution theory needs revision?

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Big Bang theory is a show on CBS and also a porn....its script needs a revision like your evolution theory.

THE FAITH OF IDIOTS...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbJ4CPWi_pg

[BABY J]

Aaaaaah.... is this guy from a planet where they *gasp* MAKE SENSE?? He needs to stop this... he's scaring the resident bible-thumpers - LOL.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC-9uJrotC4

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Big Bang theory is a show on CBS and also a porn....its script needs a revision like your evolution theory.


If you're simply referring to just a theory Devon constructed then I'll take your side. However if you're disputing the Evolution theory altogether then may I ask you share what needs revision and your basis for those claim?

[WhiteAccord]

God is a dillusion, if not a layer of comfort for the simple and or weak minded.

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If you're simply referring to just a theory Devon constructed then I'll take your side. However if you're disputing the Evolution theory altogether then may I ask you share what needs revision and your basis for those claim?

I'm gonna get the Nobel committee on the phone too. Surely if he has some evidence that evolution theory should be revised, and its peer reviewed, this could be huge

[Aeroscout977]

God is a dillusion, if not a layer of comfort for the simple and or weak minded.


When we resort to insults we no longer have anything to debate. Also your statement couldn't be anymore false.

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I'm gonna get the Nobel committee on the phone too. Surely if he has some evidence that evolution theory should be revised, and its peer reviewed, this could be huge

I suspect there is as small a chance that he will reply as the amount of factual rational evidence he would have to believe, support and provide if he were to. But hey I'll be honest and say I hope he does. I have a massive amount of curiosity.

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When we resort to insults we no longer have anything to debate. Also your statement couldn't be anymore false.

While it's true insults add little to nothing to a debate it's false logic to say there is nothing more to discuss.

Support your position of why his perspective is false on more than the fact that he made an insult. Otherwise your argument adds as little as his.

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When we resort to insults we no longer have anything to debate. Also your statement couldn't be anymore false.

I've only stated facts. Prove to me anything I have written is wrong. kthnxbye


While it's true insults add little to nothing to a debate it's false logic to say there is nothing more to discuss.

Support your position of why his perspective is false on more than the fact that he made an insult. Otherwise your argument adds as little as his.

I honestly think I have stated facts.

God/Gods/Religion Come and Go, Some last longer than others. It IS a Fad.

For people to continue to fill their "void" through FIXED false beliefs is primitive. Without an explanation the weak and simple minded lack logic and rational thinking skills.

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I've only stated facts. Prove to me anything I have written is wrong. kthnxbye



I honestly think I have stated facts.

God/Gods/Religion Come and Go, Some last longer than others. It IS a Fad.

For people to continue to fill their "void" through FIXED false beliefs is primitive. Without an explanation the weak and simple minded lack logic and rational thinking skills.


Maybe you did earlier in the thread but, I was referring to your most recent post. If you made points earlier I apologize for missing them.


You are absolutely correct that "God/Gods/Religions" do come and go. I wouldn't call it a fad I would say it came from an explanation for things that we as humans don't yet understand.


It is not necessarily just a void that needs to be filled but, that is true for some. I think why discussions and debates usually end up going south is because opposing sides resort to insults and attacks. Personally based on the evidence that I have found and that have been passively presented to me I do not believe. It is a fallacy though that all who do believe in a God(s) are weak, simple minded/ illogical, irrational individuals that lack intellect. There are MANY very bright, well-educated and successful people that do have faith and take the action to believe. Their reasons are many and it's just as unfair to group them all together prejudicially. Just as you wouldn't like if it were done to you in regards to this topic or anything other.


An idea to be considered by both sides is that what we know now and are so certain of will likely be looked on with amusement a couple hundred years from now.


I would say from my perspective and experience that those that adapt to new evidence and adopt the new information are more likely to be non-believers where as those that are religious largely due to the religion they’ve adopted generally react more slowly to new evidence and belief changes. A thought that supports my thinking is no matter how slowly the changes(on both sides) have happened it's well documented that religions have changed while even keeping the same nameplate. Would this be the result if their beliefs were absolute and structured by an absolute authority or would it be more likely that this is the result of something man made by an order of primates that are constantly trying to understand everything with brains developed and evolved to comprehend things on just a macro scale on the African plane.

[Aeroscout977]

I've only stated facts. Prove to me anything I have written is wrong. kthnxbye



I honestly think I have stated facts.

God/Gods/Religion Come and Go, Some last longer than others. It IS a Fad.

For people to continue to fill their "void" through FIXED false beliefs is primitive. Without an explanation the weak and simple minded lack logic and rational thinking skills.


You've stated no facts at all.

A) The existence of God can neither be proven nor disproven. The belief either for or against will always be just that. There's no factual evidence supporting either side of the spectrum.

B) Your claim of anyone having faith in a dieity as being weak minded or simple minded is dead wrong as well. There are plenty of brilliant people through out history that have shared in having faith. Not to mention the innumerable amount of people with strong will to push past normal human limits because of their faith. The same can be said for atheist, agnostics, etc. etc.



Looks to me like the evolved monkey is resorting or poo flinging instead of engaging in a progressive dialogue.






Disclaimer: I believe in evolution as well.

[Sil'vr-Boi6]

What about evolution theory needs revision?

Evolutionist claim large brain led to bipedalism, this isn't the case; austrolapithecus(quoted as the grandfather of modern man-->4 separated group which later mutated into modern man). Ask any evolutionist, bipedalism is the most distinct feature that separates the 4-5 major hominids. Among the four or five hominds, I can't remember from grade school, but one of them had a small brain and easily walked up right. Not periodically, but evidence showed it only walked up right-Full time, based on wear and tear on the bone. Mind you, bipedalism key advantages was to free hands from grasping tools,food,offsprings, and allowed the head to stay vigilant for predators. My point is that bipedalism far predates "the large brain theory" Evolutionist claim. enlighten me.


THE FAITH OF IDIOTS...


Why are you posting a youtube video, for others to talk on yourbehalf? When you can speak for yourself, hasn't evolutist tought you not to blinded follow, like the dillusionist worshippers. What does that make you?

-Listen this isn't an attack, but a open discussion of you're opinion, I'm not here to shove religion down your throat.


If you're simply referring to just a theory Devon constructed then I'll take your side. However if you're disputing the Evolution theory altogether then may I ask you share what needs revision and your basis for those claim?

See my reply above, I'm trying to learn this evolution theory thing; why are these austrolepthecus not just an early form of apes? as dinosaurs are early forms of lizards and crocs? Mutation through out the millienia causes DNA to alter whose to say these are not just apes.

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Evolutionist claim large brain led to bipedalism, this isn't the case; austrolapithecus(quoted as the grandfather of modern man-->4 separated group which later mutated into modern man). Ask any evolutionist, bipedalism is the most distinct feature that separates the 4-5 major hominids. Among the four or five hominds, I can't remember from grade school, but one of them had a small brain and easily walked up right. Not periodically, but evidence showed it only walked up right-Full time, based on wear and tear on the bone. Mind you, bipedalism key advantages was to free hands from grasping tools,food,offsprings, and allowed the head to stay vigilant for predators. My point is that bipedalism far predates "the large brain theory" Evolutionist claim. enlighten me.As far as I know, bipedalism in humans predated the large brain. Not sure where you learned the opposite. I've never heard anyone claim the opposite.

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Evolutionist claim large brain led to bipedalism, this isn't the case; austrolapithecus(quoted as the grandfather of modern man-->4 separated group which later mutated into modern man). Ask any evolutionist, bipedalism is the most distinct feature that separates the 4-5 major hominids. Among the four or five hominds, I can't remember from grade school, but one of them had a small brain and easily walked up right. Not periodically, but evidence showed it only walked up right-Full time, based on wear and tear on the bone. Mind you, bipedalism key advantages was to free hands from grasping tools,food,offsprings, and allowed the head to stay vigilant for predators. My point is that bipedalism far predates "the large brain theory" Evolutionist claim. enlighten me.

Why are you posting a youtube video, for others to talk on yourbehalf? When you can speak for yourself, hasn't evolutist tought you not to blinded follow, like the dillusionist worshippers. What does that make you?

-Listen this isn't an attack, but a open discussion of you're opinion, I'm not here to shove religion down your throat.

See my reply above, I'm trying to learn this evolution theory thing; why are these austrolepthecus not just an early form of apes? as dinosaurs are early forms of lizards and crocs? Mutation through out the millienia causes DNA to alter whose to say these are not just apes.

Please cite where Bipedalism is the most distinct feature that separates humans from the primate order and hominidae family prior to making that assertion. Even if you're referring to purely physical characteristics I don't think you can. Bipedalism's advantage exceeds that of simply grasping tools, food, holding/caring for offspring etc. it also gave the advantage of being able to see over the grass in the plains which we owe a lot to grass for our evolution and spread across the globe. Prior to grass being here and allowing for plains to exist our ancestors stayed in the trees for safety because it gave the best vantage point for food and predators.

You do understand that we didn't evolve directly from apes right? I don't understand the point you were making with the dinosaur comparison or what you were referring to in regards to the DNA mutations and apes. Please explain?