So i post on Autoblog about Nascar.......they all come running and screaming lol

[EJ25RUN]

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/27/report-seven-nascar-fans-injured-at-talladega-in-carl-edwards-c/

scroll down to the comments. :lmao:

[Ed]

you said nothing but the truth.

how hard is it to draft?

only other skill it takes it endurance.

[EJ25RUN]

I gave them one reply.

Surprised the Dale jr. nut swingers have yet to come together as one union of stupid.

[87 Turbo II]

I love how someone says "NASCAR is better, in F1 they just let their cars do all the work and never pass." Dumbass rednecks all of them.

I also like "Even F1 fans and drivers who attend NASCAR races say it's more interesting, point proven." Even though it didn't prove anything because there is no actual "proof" in that statement, just a generic made-up sounding "fact".

[bigdare23]

Looks like you posted just to pick a fight...

[Me86Rob]

WWOOAAAHHH NASCAR FTW


:ninja:

[EJ25RUN]

Looks like you posted just to pick a fight...
Originally No.

I just wanted to point out that the weekend's F1 race was more intertaining to me.

I can see where the way i posted it was gonna light some fires.

[DriVaH]

not a nascar fan. i am a car guy and it is the only car sport i can't wrap my head around....

[81911SC]

There is a metric shit ton of skill to do that kind of stuff and it's not as easy as some people make it out to be. I'm not going into it any further because it will be a waste of time.

[Ed]

There is a metric shit ton of skill to do that kind of stuff and it's not as easy as some people make it out to be. I'm not going into it any further because it will be a waste of time.

let's hear it.

in all seriousness. i am missing something.

[EJ25RUN]

There is a metric shit ton of skill to do that kind of stuff and it's not as easy as some people make it out to be. I'm not going into it any further because it will be a waste of time.

You mean oval racing? Sure there is.

I've never tried it but have seen the demonstrations of road racers that do it in Indy cars and Sprint cars so yes there's definitely more to it than turning left.

My real issue has always been with the mentality of Nascar fans and how gullible they are at times.

I've said this a couple times but i like Nascar that was pre 1993.

Back then, the cars were closer to production spec and it was a more enthusiest based sport.

I feel modern Nascar fans care more about personality than driving talent.

The weekend fight or crash is more likely to make news instead of a great drive. That is the problem.

[81911SC]

Well I'm about to walk out the door but imagine driving over 180-205ish about a foot from another car above you and below you, for 500 miles. Not to mention the surfaces aren't always smooth, you can see the cars bouncing around and damn near touching each car. And in 3-5 seconds the whole field is gone by. You can lose 40 positions in a hurry. In F1 when two guys are racing side by side, they won't be beating each other up, here they do. It's not as raw as it used to be but there is some hairy shit during a race. Not my best work but there is a lot to it. I'm not saying it's the hardest it's made for the fans. It's made to be so close and competitive. You see lead changes 20+ times a race. Anyways, I gots to jet.

[BKgen®]

"LMFAO @ the fact that these dinosaurs have carburetors. Welcome to 1968 and turning left."


:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[man]

I think F1 and Nascar are both boring, although I'm starting to enjoy Nascar. F1 isn't about driver skill, it's about which company has the most money to spend. And you can't view NASCAR in terms of driver skill. It's a race of strategy.

[EJ25RUN]

I think F1 and Nascar are both boring, although I'm starting to enjoy Nascar. F1 isn't about driver skill, it's about which company has the most money to spend. And you can't view NASCAR in terms of driver skill. It's a race of strategy.

Have you seen F1 lately?

The two teams with the most money have barly scored anypoints and are in the back of the field.

On the other hand, a team that almost didn't find a buyer for the 2009 season and had 1 major sponcer is leading the drivers and constructors championship.

I remember talking to you about last years season but nothing compares to what a show F1 is in 2009. Nothing you expect is happening.

[RL...]

Whether nascar might require more or less skill than f1, I have no idea, I'm not a fan of either. But I've watched a little bit of f1 and nascar and f1 is def more fun to watch. There is nothing fun about watching cars drive in an oval making left turns...seriously I would rather watch baseball. And I hate watching baseball.

[nreggie454]

I feel that F1 takes a lot more skill than NASCAR. While NASCAR takes a lot of skill, they use their skills in in dry conditions, with the main major variable being the track temperature. F1 drivers have to deal with different weather conditions, which makes for extremely exciting races since they did away with traction control.

[RL...]

It just seems to me that the only ppl who like nascar are rednecks....I say this from experience too....

[81911SC]

It just seems to me that the only ppl who like nascar are rednecks....I say this from experience too....Yea, but nobody listens to what you say.

And Nascar has raced in the rain on road tracks. You really think 180+ on a oval in the rain is a good idea? Na.

[On_Her_Face]

You mean oval racing? Sure there is.

I've never tried it but have seen the demonstrations of road racers that do it in Indy cars and Sprint cars so yes there's definitely more to it than turning left.

My real issue has always been with the mentality of Nascar fans and how gullible they are at times.

I've said this a couple times but i like Nascar that was pre 1993.

Back then, the cars were closer to production spec and it was a more enthusiest based sport.

I feel modern Nascar fans care more about personality than driving talent.

The weekend fight or crash is more likely to make news instead of a great drive. That is the problem.

I was not old enough to really remember NASCAR pre 1993, how I do get a chance to watch them on the classic specials. I really wish I was around when the drivers would drive their cars to and from the race. If they got rid of the COT and restrictor plate racing NASCAR would be great again.

[RedEj8]

The only NASCAR races I'll watch is Watkins Glen and Infineon...

[81911SC]

You got to remember too guys, it's Entertainment and Racing combined. It's not just racing and you get entertainment like we do. Hence that gay ass digger and shit, face fans don't care, but kids do.

[On_Her_Face]

You got to remember too guys, it's Entertainment and Racing combined. It's not just racing and you get entertainment like we do. Hence that gay ass digger and shit, face fans don't care, but kids do.

I think if people actually went to a race they would change their mind, esp Bristol.

[Got Milk?]

NASCAR SUCKS
F1 SUCKS
MONSTER TRUCKS FTW

[IndianStig]

LMAO at ANYONE in the world thinking Nascar>F1. Funny shit EJ!

[blaknoize]

I mean... NASCAR is annoyingly simple, but they do a LIL work when it comes to clearances I suppose. Draft and duck, brake and go. Balancing that big car is kinda tough, but its still a lame simple type of racing.

[EJ25RUN]

The only NASCAR races I'll watch is Watkins Glen and Infineon...
Riverside.

Watch the 1988 race to see what i really miss about Nascar. Its a damn mall parking lot now.

60's & 70's
http://image.hotrod.com/f/8594576/113_0311_01z+1970_nascar_race_cars+field_view.jpg

These are some of my favorites at the Mitty. The mid to late 80's cars.

Notice how you can actually tell them apart without looking at stickers!
http://images32.fotki.com/v1062/photos/3/348354/5689749/racecarpicturephotonascarold02-vi.jpg

[81911SC]

I mean... NASCAR is annoyingly simple, but they do a LIL work when it comes to clearances I suppose. Draft and duck, brake and go. Balancing that big car is kinda tough, but its still a lame simple type of racing.I don't think you quite understand all the shit you don't see. There is much more then you think. :goodjob:

[blaknoize]

O I dont quite understand. I cant even assume as I dont wanna play any of the racing games out there.

I mean my favorite types are rally (group B), touring and champ car.

[blaknoize]

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[man]

Have you seen F1 lately?

The two teams with the most money have barly scored anypoints and are in the back of the field.

On the other hand, a team that almost didn't find a buyer for the 2009 season and had 1 major sponcer is leading the drivers and constructors championship.

I remember talking to you about last years season but nothing compares to what a show F1 is in 2009. Nothing you expect is happening.

Yeah, haven't been keeping up with really any racing this year, been to busy with school so I can make enough $ to do my own racing

["B"]

Yeah, F1 must be extremely hard. JPM and Scott Speed (former F1 drivers) are doing really great in Nascar.

I would be willing to be money that if Kyle Busch (even though I hate him) made the jump from Nascar to F1 he would win a championship within a few years.



All you people run your mouth and you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. How hard is it to run in the draft, really Ed? Put F1 cars at Talladega and give them the same horsepower and let's see how well they are able to drive around in a pack of 30-43 cars without killing each other.


F1 is extremely boring. What is there, like 4 lead changes all race and MOST races are won by more than 10-30 seconds? WOW

F1 is ALL about the car. Case in point, this year; isn't the points leader and constructor's leader one of the teams that modified their car before the season? Wasn't there a big stink about it before the 1st race? And now they are leading in the points? IT IS ALL ABOUT THE CAR!!!



And anyone who has met me off IA knows that I am FAR from a stupid redneck.

[EJ25RUN]

Yeah, F1 must be extremely hard. JPM and Scott Speed (former F1 drivers) are doing really great in Nascar.

I would be willing to be money that if Kyle Busch (even though I hate him) made the jump from Nascar to F1 he would win a championship within a few years.

All you people run your mouth and you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. How hard is it to run in the draft, really Ed? Put F1 cars at Talladega and give them the same horsepower and let's see how well they are able to drive around in a pack of 30-43 cars without killing each other.


F1 is extremely boring. What is there, like 4 lead changes all race and MOST races are won by more than 10-30 seconds? WOW

F1 is ALL about the car. Case in point, this year; isn't the points leader and constructor's leader one of the teams that modified their car before the season? Wasn't there a big stink about it before the 1st race? And now they are leading in the points? IT IS ALL ABOUT THE CAR!!!



And anyone who has met me off IA knows that I am FAR from a stupid redneck.

JPM is in Nascar because of his Ganassi days and he was going to get paid more from Chip then he was from any other F1 team that would take him.

Scott Speed? Really? the guy who made it to F1 through a "we gotta find an American talent program." Scott Speed was tossed by Red Bull because they knew he didn't have potential. Sebastian Vettle and Bourdais were on their way in through Red Bulls other driving programs and they knew who to pick.

Kyle Busch successful in F1? How? Most modern F1 drivers began Karting at 4 and even then that isn't good enough. Hopefully you are smart enough to see how false that is.

F1 cars at Talladega? Nascar fans keep doing this. Let F1 cars go around an oval. Here's the facts, they are designed to go over road circuits and would need a major redesign to the point where they are nowhere near their current speeds on a circuit. 30-43 cars? It wouldn't happen because no sane driver would do it. Nascars are not cars anymore, they are cages to survive a big wreck like the one at Talledega.

I accept that it is two totally different kinds of racing and the talent required for each is different as well. Same goes for Rallying, Professonal Drag Racing, and even Dirt Tracking. F1 is the highest level of road racing.

Back to your Talladega part, Porsche set a closed circuit record at Talledega with their 917/30 that stood for 15 years. Spectateurs just cant or don't want to understand it is too dangerous to have an Indy car/ F1 go around a circuit like Daytona and Talledega at that speed.

To add, F1 cars make more drag than a semi without fenders. They use all that to go around corners. You know? What they are designed to do? You couldn't run the two of them together.

You said F1 is boring.....its the worlds most popular motorsport. Americans have this mentality that everything here is the best there is but that's just not true. Everywhere else around the world, F1 is the ultimate goal for a driver. That is why it has gotten to the point that most Grand Prix need to be govt funded in order to happen. 4-5 lead changes, back in the traction control, launch control, and extreme aero days, that was possible but those days are gone. Watch Vettle and Hamilton make their way through if you don't believe me.

"Its all about the car"

Real race fans hate a spec series. i.e. Nascar.

I'll admit that F1 is a very car based sport but that doesn't take away from the talent needed to drive and race them. The matter where Ferrari and McLaren could buy their way out of something is over as testing has been stopped and the wind tunnel time is also restricted.

81911 said it best. Nascar is all about the entertainment. F1 is a testbed for tech and improving a car to be faster. This leads to road cars development.

What has Nascar contributed to road cars in the last 40 years?

I think your point about tht Brawn is incorrectly stated. Brawn followed the rules in the same way Williams and Toyota did. The car was developed through most of 2008 and was built from the same rule book as every other team. Here is another fact, Brawn's car is fast because of more things than just the diffuser. McLaren, Renualt, and Force India have already added the diffuser but are not anywhere near the front.

The best drivers always come out on top in the end so even a Sebastian Vettle has a chance if he keeps up at this rate.


This argument has really turned. My original post was about how a couple of Nascar fans couldn't take a comment. Now, we are at a Nascar vs F1 debate which is kinda dumb as its like comparing Baseball to Football.

[Ed]

JPM is in Nascar because of his Ganassi days and he was going to get paid more from Chip then he was from any other F1 team that would take him.

Scott Speed? Really? the guy who made it to F1 through a "we gotta find an American talent program." Scott Speed was tossed by Red Bull because they knew he didn't have potential. Sebastian Vettle and Bourdais were on their way in through Red Bulls other driving programs and they knew who to pick.

Kyle Busch successful in F1? How? Most modern F1 drivers began Karting at 4 and even then that isn't good enough. Hopefully you are smart enough to see how false that is.

F1 cars at Talladega? Nascar fans keep doing this. Let F1 cars go around an oval. Here's the facts, they are designed to go over road circuits and would need a major redesign to the point where they are nowhere near their current speeds on a circuit. 30-43 cars? It wouldn't happen because no sane driver would do it. Nascars are not cars anymore, they are cages to survive a big wreck like the one at Talledega.

I accept that it is two totally different kinds of racing and the talent required for each is different as well. Same goes for Rallying, Professonal Drag Racing, and even Dirt Tracking. F1 is the highest level of road racing.

Back to your Talladega part, Porsche set a closed circuit record at Talledega with their 917/30 that stood for 15 years. Spectateurs just cant or don't want to understand it is too dangerous to have an Indy car/ F1 go around a circuit like Daytona and Talledega at that speed.

To add, F1 cars make more drag than a semi without fenders. They use all that to go around corners. You know? What they are designed to do? You couldn't run the two of them together.

You said F1 is boring.....its the worlds most popular motorsport. Americans have this mentality that everything here is the best there is but that's just not true. Everywhere else around the world, F1 is the ultimate goal for a driver. That is why it has gotten to the point that most Grand Prix need to be govt funded in order to happen. 4-5 lead changes, back in the traction control, launch control, and extreme aero days, that was possible but those days are gone. Watch Vettle and Hamilton make their way through if you don't believe me.

"Its all about the car"

Real race fans hate a spec series. i.e. Nascar.

I'll admit that F1 is a very car based sport but that doesn't take away from the talent needed to drive and race them. The matter where Ferrari and McLaren could buy their way out of something is over as testing has been stopped and the wind tunnel time is also restricted.

81911 said it best. Nascar is all about the entertainment. F1 is a testbed for tech and improving a car to be faster. This leads to road cars development.

What has Nascar contributed to road cars in the last 40 years?

I think your point about tht Brawn is incorrectly stated. Brawn followed the rules in the same way Williams and Toyota did. The car was developed through most of 2008 and was built from the same rule book as every other team. Here is another fact, Brawn's car is fast because of more things than just the diffuser. McLaren, Renualt, and Force India have already added the diffuser but are not anywhere near the front.

The best drivers always come out on top in the end so even a Sebastian Vettle has a chance if he keeps up at this rate.


This argument has really turned. My original post was about how a couple of Nascar fans couldn't take a comment. Now, we are at a Nascar vs F1 debate which is kinda dumb as its like comparing Baseball to Football.

good post.

"B" you're still my friend even though you like nascar.

[Elbow]

Yea, but nobody listens to what you say.

And Nascar has raced in the rain on road tracks. You really think 180+ on a oval in the rain is a good idea? Na.

Well...they run 180+ in the rain at the Rolex 24 so why not? lol

[Elbow]

Now, we are at a Nascar vs F1 debate which is kinda dumb as its like comparing Baseball to Football.

No it's not, it's like comparing a two year old girl to a man.

Yeah, anyone saying "F1 is boring" please watch a current F1 race. LOL @ Kyle Busch winning an F1 championship.

[Doppelgänger]

Hey EJ, you really want to boil their noodles on autoblog?

Go post

"What did Dale Ernhardt and Pink Floyd have in common?


Thair biggest hit was The Wall!"


And really watch the shit fly :lmao:



I don't even think there is a valid comparison between ASSCAR and F1. The techy kinda people will oviously say F1 is better, and that's easy to see because there is always progression in development in the cars and the rules are constantly changing. It keeps the teams on their toes and helps limit it from "being the team with all the money" from winning. Case in point, look at Button's finishes from the past two years compared to this year. Whereas in NASCAR, all the engines are the same carb'ed archaic pushrod designs that have been used for years. It used to be that "win on Sunday sell on Monday" was how it went for NASCAR but now the cars only represent a mfg. by the headlight-shaped sticke ron the front and the sticker that says "Ford/Dodge/Chevrolet"..nothing else about the cars set them apart. I mean, it's just "spec" racing...all the cars have to fit the same EXACT aero template from nose to tail? Give me a break. Where can you still going into a dealership and buy a carb'd V8 anyway?

Honestly, I really think that NASCAR needs to get it's head out of it's ass and make some completely new aspects to how things are run. Add fuel injection, let the teams experiment with aero settings, let the cars actually look like their counterpart sitting at the dealership down the street, mandate that the original chassis of the car has to be RWD. I also think that, to a degree, NASCAR is staged. Think about it. If you really did have the one driver that was that good and was winning al lthe time, it wouldn't be as exciting. So inorder to create all the drama that the typical American loves (think American Idol/Survivor/daytime soaps/Jerry Springer) they "mix things up" to keep everyone talking about what's going on. All those teams make so much money, I doubt there is any hurt buy not winning.

There is just as much drama and mix-ups in F1 also, but it happens more behind the scenes and requires being more involved with watching whatever race and keeping up with it before the next race. Personally, I think the tracks are for more exiting, and the locations are just fantastic. But there are also times where races are actually uneventful.

With that said... i'd still rather watch (at least on TV) WRC, DTM, Australian Super V8, BTCC or ALMS.

[EJ25RUN]

Hey EJ, you really want to boil their noodles on autoblog?



lol

I just post this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw95gCGzmRQ

[Elbow]

Hey EJ, you really want to boil their noodles on autoblog?

Go post

"What did Dale Ernhardt and Pink Floyd have in common?


Thair biggest hit was The Wall!"


And really watch the shit fly :lmao:



I don't even think there is a valid comparison between ASSCAR and F1. The techy kinda people will oviously say F1 is better, and that's easy to see because there is always progression in development in the cars and the rules are constantly changing. It keeps the teams on their toes and helps limit it from "being the team with all the money" from winning. Case in point, look at Button's finishes from the past two years compared to this year. Whereas in NASCAR, all the engines are the same carb'ed archaic pushrod designs that have been used for years. It used to be that "win on Sunday sell on Monday" was how it went for NASCAR but now the cars only represent a mfg. by the headlight-shaped sticke ron the front and the sticker that says "Ford/Dodge/Chevrolet"..nothing else about the cars set them apart. I mean, it's just "spec" racing...all the cars have to fit the same EXACT aero template from nose to tail? Give me a break. Where can you still going into a dealership and buy a carb'd V8 anyway?

Honestly, I really think that NASCAR needs to get it's head out of it's ass and make some completely new aspects to how things are run. Add fuel injection, let the teams experiment with aero settings, let the cars actually look like their counterpart sitting at the dealership down the street, mandate that the original chassis of the car has to be RWD. I also think that, to a degree, NASCAR is staged. Think about it. If you really did have the one driver that was that good and was winning al lthe time, it wouldn't be as exciting. So inorder to create all the drama that the typical American loves (think American Idol/Survivor/daytime soaps/Jerry Springer) they "mix things up" to keep everyone talking about what's going on. All those teams make so much money, I doubt there is any hurt buy not winning.

There is just as much drama and mix-ups in F1 also, but it happens more behind the scenes and requires being more involved with watching whatever race and keeping up with it before the next race. Personally, I think the tracks are for more exiting, and the locations are just fantastic. But there are also times where races are actually uneventful.

With that said... i'd still rather watch (at least on TV) WRC, DTM, Australian Super V8, BTCC or ALMS.

LOL @ the wall. That's wrong.

What are you talking about? NASCAR is race on Sunday sell on Monday. I just bought a new RWD carbed V8 Toyota Camry. :lmfao:

F1 is king of drama in motorsport, if you regularly read the F1 magazines they always have the best stories about what's happening. I love F1, I love the technical aspect, the tracks as you said, I mean some of the tracks are in amazing places and actually really pretty lol. Singapore was an amazing event.

You missed Grand Am on that list of what you would rather watch. I didn't find Grand Am that appealing as it's kind of...dull? However, with the last race and the Rolex 24 the series is really close racing, bumping, and everything else great in some die hard racing.

[81911SC]

There's just no way to do FI though. Way too hard to control everyone. As much rule bending as there was before, it would be a 100 more with FI. Not to mention the cost of each new setup+design+testing. It would kill the smaller teams out there and leave about 3 teams. I know the "let them do they're on thing" and all but that's not what this racing is about. That's why the aero is so close too. They like it close, it's about those last second lead changes.

[81911SC]

81911 said it best.Well that's all folks. :D

[Elbow]

There's just no way to do FI though. Way too hard to control everyone. As much rule bending as there was before, it would be a 100 more with FI. Not to mention the cost of each new setup+design+testing. It would kill the smaller teams out there and leave about 3 teams. I know the "let them do they're on thing" and all but that's not what this racing is about. That's why the aero is so close too. They like it close, it's about those last second lead changes.

Other series see last second rule changes. That's why racing with a more open rulebook is amazing, you see team A with a totally different car, keep right at team B with another totally different car.

I agree though, NASCAR is all about dat good ol' close dad gum racin and crashin-n-shit. Making rules where you have to be smart to design a car would obviously ruin a series when half the people didn't graduate high school.

[81911SC]

I agree though, NASCAR is all about dat good ol' close dad gum racin and crashin-n-shit. Making rules where you have to be smart to design a car would obviously ruin a series when half the people didn't graduate high school.It's worthless to try to talk to you.

[Elbow]

It's worthless to try to talk to you.

Are you a NASCAR fan? lol.

Obviously I am kidding and know there are good engineers in NASCAR. However, the other stuff is true.

[Doppelgänger]

There's just no way to do FI though. Way too hard to control everyone. As much rule bending as there was before, it would be a 100 more with FI.

That would be the whole point... evolution. As the teams adapt, the rules change. There is always something NASCAR can restrict. Look at ALMS/LeMans/WRC and the many other series that have Fuel Injection (FI can be confused with forced induction too easily) and boosted engines.. and there are just as many restrictions ot keep them in line with eachother. I don't see much difference on cost really... think of how much is spent on those carbs and intake manifolds right now. A lot. Also, with the use of computerized fuel injection, it would actually be rather easy for officials to datalog the cars and find out who is doing what.

[81911SC]

That would be the whole point... evolution. As the teams adapt, the rules change. There is always something NASCAR can restrict. Look at ALMS/LeMans/WRC and the many other series that have Fuel Injection (FI can be confused with forced induction too easily) and boosted engines.. and there are just as many restrictions ot keep them in line with eachother. I don't see much difference on cost really... think of how much is spent on those carbs and intake manifolds right now. A lot. Also, with the use of computerized fuel injection, it would actually be rather easy for officials to datalog the cars and find out who is doing what.I see what you're saying and I do agree. That's just not how the racing is though. They like it the older style and don't want to evolve. Whether that's dumb or not doesn't matter, it's just how they do it. They don't want to kick the guys out who can barely run right now anyway. But the price of the computers and the testing and redesign would be incredibly expensive overall.

[Elbow]

It would be expensive, and I really don't see it happening. There really isn't much of a reason to, it's not like the series is losing spectators or people getting bored of it. NASCAR is only about close racing. They don't care about it from a technical standpoint. Having a change that large in NASCAR I would think would really make fans mad.

[EJ25RUN]

There's just no way to do FI though. Way too hard to control everyone.

F1 Standard ECU made by McLaren and Microsoft. All the teams have to run it.

http://www.f1technical.net/images/features/ecu1.jpg


http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/dsc_0277.jpg

[Elbow]

I say NASCAR makes a separate series for more technologically advanced vehicles based on street cars to a POINT. As in maybe allow tube frames, RWD conversions, but the body work has to be the exact dimensions as the street vehicle, like Grand Am. Then make them run on road courses only, and have it like a V8 Super Touring Car thing, that'd be cool lol.

[EJ25RUN]

I say NASCAR makes a separate series for more technologically advanced vehicles based on street cars to a POINT. As in maybe allow tube frames, RWD conversions, but the body work has to be the exact dimensions as the street vehicle, like Grand Am. Then make them run on road courses only, and have it like a V8 Super Touring Car thing, that'd be cool lol.
Americans don't get road racing. That's the point.

It is why Trans Am, Can Am, IMSA, and most other series have gone under.

It is a marvel that ALMS has lasted ten years.


To add, look at rallying. We have good drivers and they are better known for Youtube videos, tv shows where they jump tricyles, and drifting. :rolleyes:

Most people don't even know that the U.S. Olympus rally was a round of the WRC in the 1980's for 3 years. Yes, that was during the group B era.

[On_Her_Face]

It would be expensive, and I really don't see it happening. There really isn't much of a reason to, it's not like the series is losing spectators or people getting bored of it. NASCAR is only about close racing. They don't care about it from a technical standpoint. Having a change that large in NASCAR I would think would really make fans mad.

Yeah nobody cared about the COT.

[Elbow]

Americans don't get road racing. That's the point.

It is why Trans Am, Can Am, IMSA, and most other series have gone under.

It is a marvel that ALMS has lasted ten years.


To add, look at rallying. We have good drivers and they are better known for Youtube videos, tv shows where they jump tricyles, and drifting. :rolleyes:

Most people don't even know that the U.S. Olympus rally was a round of the WRC in the 1980's for 3 years. Yes, that was during the group B era.

True, Grand Am is doing fairly well though, but not on a scale as NASCAR.

Also true about the rally guys, it makes me lol, "Yeah brah Rhys Millen is a drifter" or Block. No clue on where they came from.

[EJ25RUN]

Yeah nobody cared about the COT.

You being a Nascar fan (I assume)

How do you justify this.

Production Camry:
Engine: Dohc 2.0 I4 or 3.5 V6 with FI
Trans: Automatic
Drivetrain:FWD
Chassis: Unibody

Nascar Camry
Engine: OHV 5.9L (ish) V8 with a Carb
Trans: 4 speed Manual
Drivetrain: RWD
Chassis: Tube

That there has always been my issue with modern Nascar.

Its not what it says it is.

I really would rather have it done like a true spec series where everyone runs the same thing and just call it a Nascar. Not a Camry, or Fusion, or Avenger.

Its a Nascar. Some tubes with a cage made by RCR.

I'm not making fun. I really want to know how a Nascar fan sees it.

I'm mean really.....this really looks like what it says it is.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/230/509401946_313a392e65.jpg?v=0

[Doppelgänger]

I see many NASCAR fans like Brick Tamland from Anchorman.. they just yell at loud noises..and they don't know why. Or kinda like the general population of people in Idiocracy.

The NASCAR acronym is quite the redundant oxymoron though.. it's actually funny.

[EJ25RUN]

Figured this might help explain why there are those of us that like F1 as much as we do.

It's just a short film but man it leaves an impression. Don't have to be a racing fan to enjoy it. :goodjob:

Antti2 F1 Passion and Excitement (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7JCJQjovz8&feature=channel_page)

Gerhard Berger at 2:52-2:57 give me goosebumps.