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SampaGuy

04-23-2009, 11:09 AM

what are you doing on import Atlanta?

I have no friends and this is the first place they accepted me.

Haha. No Im only staying in Germany about 5 more months than I go back to Atlanta. And like most people here I have job that requires you to sit in front of the computer all day.

Mr. Clean

04-23-2009, 11:12 AM

fugly. i don't care what anyone says.

i mean what kind of respectable sports car has altima wheels.

Master Shake

04-23-2009, 11:13 AM

Lotus helped make it so calling it a knockoff is off.
its a knock off.

lotus inspired doesn't make it a lotus.

Captain-Obvious™

04-23-2009, 11:14 AM

fugly. i don't care what anyone says.

x2

Black4DrEK

04-23-2009, 11:15 AM

fugly. i don't care what anyone says.

^^ DAMN SKIPPY!!!

03RCode

04-23-2009, 11:15 AM

God I've always wanted one of these. Beautiful.

03RCode

04-23-2009, 11:16 AM

its a knock off.

lotus inspired doesn't make it a lotus.

It's not just Lotus inspired, Lotus actually helped produce these IIRC.

EJ25RUN

04-23-2009, 11:17 AM

its a knock off.

lotus inspired doesn't make it a lotus.

I didn't say it was just inspired. Lotus was called upon like they were for the Nissan GTR to setup the cars suspension and assembled the cars as well. They were built at Lotus' own factory!

Produced by Lotus at their Hethel, Norfolk factory, the VX220 carried the Lotus internal model identification Lotus 116 and the code name Skipton for the 2.2N/A version and Tornado for the 2.0 L Turbo.

The chassis utilizes an aluminium chassis tub that weighs only 150 lb (68 kg). The car also features bodywork which is made entirely of GRP. The entire car weighs in at only 2,050 lb (930 kg), much lighter than most small sports cars.

The normally aspirated version used a Vauxhall Astra all aluminium alloy 2.2 L Z22SE engine giving 108 kW (147 PS; 145 bhp) in a car weighing 870 kg (1918 lb) — originally designed for GM by Lotus, it arguably gives the VX220 more mechanical Lotus content than the Elise. The Turbo model, introduced in 2003, used a GM designed cast iron block 2.0 L Z20LET engine, producing 147 kW (200 PS; 197 bhp) but weighing 930 kg (2050 lb).

The Elise S2 was designed by Lotus to have 16" front wheels and 17" rear wheels. GM decided to fit 17" wheels front and rear to the VX220 for aesthetic reasons, which reduced the handling performance of the car.

A removable hard-top can be fitted as a factory or aftermarket option, arguably providing better looks and aerodynamics.

Brown Man

04-23-2009, 11:19 AM

seems like it would be fun to drive but the cars body lines really do kill it for me

Master Shake

04-23-2009, 11:21 AM

what kind of car is it?

osnap

04-23-2009, 11:22 AM

Thats the european version of the Saturn Sky... Does it really weigh les then a miata???
AHAHAHAHAHA. No.

The Saturn Sky is a rebadged Opel GT. This is an Opel Speedster.

EJ25RUN

04-23-2009, 11:22 AM

what kind of car is it?

Wait wut?

You were arging about something you didn't even know about? :???:

SampaGuy

04-23-2009, 11:22 AM

what kind of car is it?

Opel Speedster

Master Shake

04-23-2009, 11:25 AM

then its a opel speedster.....not a lotus.

ya'll said lotus helped with the GT-R but its still a nissan.

well, same situation here.

EJ25RUN

04-23-2009, 11:27 AM

then its a opel speedster.....not a lotus.

ya'll said lotus helped with the GT-R but its still a nissan.

well, same situation here.

What's your exact argument here?

You're trying to say that because (at the time) GM had the money to tell Lotus to put their badges on a car they developed makes it have no Lotus in it?

Is that what you are saying?

WTF?

04-23-2009, 11:29 AM

i think it looks cool

EJ25RUN

04-23-2009, 11:31 AM

In that case, is this car just a Dodge as well?

http://www.itechnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/chrysler-dodge-ev-electric-car.jpg
http://www.zercustoms.com/car-show/albums/userpics/10001/Lotus-Europa.jpg

Master Shake

04-23-2009, 11:34 AM

i'm saying its not a lotus.

i said it looked like a knock-off lotus.
and its an opel speedster. not a lotus.

thats what i'm saying.

EJ25RUN

04-23-2009, 11:37 AM

i'm saying its not a lotus.

i said it looked like a knock-off lotus.
and its an opel speedster. not a lotus.

thats what i'm saying.

So a badge is all that makes a car what it is?

Master Shake

04-23-2009, 11:39 AM

I didn't say it was just inspired. Lotus was called upon like they were for the Nissan GTR to setup the cars suspension and assembled the cars as well. They were built at Lotus' own factory!so the GT-R is a lotus as well?

EJ25RUN

04-23-2009, 11:44 AM

so the GT-R is a lotus as well?

1. GT-R's arn't built in Lotus factory.
2. Aren't designed, built, and assembled by Lotus
3. Aren't based on a Lotus designed production platform

The GTR's link with Lotus is solely in the way Lotus helped set up the chassis even though Nissan has kept most of the details secret to make people think it is a 100% Nissan developed car.

So no. The GTR is not a Lotus.

Master Shake

04-23-2009, 11:55 AM

1. GT-R's arn't built in Lotus factory.
2. Aren't designed, built, and assembled by Lotus
3. Aren't based on a Lotus designed production platform

The GTR's link with Lotus is solely in the way Lotus helped set up the chassis even though Nissan has kept most of the details secret to make people think it is a 100% Nissan developed car.

So no. The GTR is not a Lotus.but opel had help (just like nissan) building the car, and its considered a lotus. so a car that was helped by another company makes it that company's car with a different badge?

car is still an opel with lotus inspirations. cause it was a lotus, they would have called it a lotus.

EJ25RUN

04-23-2009, 12:01 PM

but opel had help (just like nissan) building the car, and its considered a lotus. so a car that was helped by another company makes it that company's car with a different badge?

car is still an opel with lotus inspirations.

No see Opel didn't exactly have help.

I'd call it help if this had happen....

Lotus came to G.M. in the design process and helped sort the car out on paper.

After that, it would make its way to Opel/Vauxhall assembly lines and be put together there just as any other GM would.

But that is not what had happened.

In this case, Lotus took money to develop a car like their successful Elise for another manufacturer. The Speedster is different to the Elise is many ways but it is still a Lotus made vehicle.

To get what i'm saying, listen to it like this.

Your way of seeing this.

I am Ford.
Chevy has the vette
I as Ford want a car like the Vette
I set out to make a car to compete against the vette.
I design, build, and sell it

My way of seeing this.

I am Ford
Chevy has the Vette
I as Ford want a car like the Vette
I goto Chevy with a paycheck
tell them to make me a car like the vette
then put Ford badges on it to be sold as a Ford.

Master Shake

04-23-2009, 12:06 PM

Your way of seeing this.

I am Ford.
Chevy has the vette
I as Ford want a car like the Vette
I set out to make a car to compete against the vette.
I design, build, and sell it

My way of seeing this.

I am Ford
Chevy has the Vette
I as Ford want a car like the Vette
I goto Chevy with a paycheck
tell them to make me a car like the vette
then put Ford badges on it to be sold as a Ford.with that said, it makes a lot more sense, since the way it was being said i was seeing it as, lotus just came in and built the car but wasn't taking credit for anything for it.

but i was also seeing it as lotus helped with some of the designs and helped with the production of the car, not so much as, lotus doing everything and being labeled as another vehicle.

EJ25RUN

04-23-2009, 12:07 PM

with that said, it makes a lot more sense, since the way it was being said i was seeing it as, lotus just came in and built the car but wasn't taking credit for anything for it.

but i was also seeing it as lotus helped with some of the designs and helped with the production of the car, not so much as, lotus doing everything and being labeled as another vehicle.

Lotus did most of the work. G.M. provided the money and the badges.

I'm out...got to go to school. Been a while since a good discussion came up. Later/

DavidTB8889

04-23-2009, 12:21 PM

Wait wut?

You were arging about something you didn't even know about? :???:

And someone has too much time on their hands to be analyzing others posts and if someone doesn't like a car they don't like it... I don't like the car and u remind me of the car... Quit being an e thug!

EJ25RUN

04-23-2009, 12:22 PM

Quit being an e thug!
Me? Never.

Look further in and you'll see i discuss.

Master Shake

04-23-2009, 12:25 PM

Lotus did most of the work. G.M. provided the money and the badges.

I'm out...got to go to school. Been a while since a good discussion came up. Later/yea, it just seemed like lotus was there with the design and production of the car, over building it.

speedminded

04-23-2009, 12:28 PM

what kind of car is it?
but opel had help (just like nissan) building the car, and its considered a lotus. so a car that was helped by another company makes it that company's car with a different badge?

car is still an opel with lotus inspirations. cause it was a lotus, they would have called it a lotus.

FAIL. :lmfao:

http://www.opel.com/

The company was founded on 21 January 1863, and began making automobiles in 1899. Opel was acquired by General Motors Corporation in 1929 and continues as a subsidiary. Opel is part of GM Europe, and is GM's largest European brand, and with Vauxhall Motors in the UK, forms GM's core European business.

Terror

04-23-2009, 12:30 PM

Opel Speedster, dope.

speedminded

04-23-2009, 12:57 PM

but opel had help (just like nissan) building the car, and its considered a lotus. so a car that was helped by another company makes it that company's car with a different badge?

car is still an opel with lotus inspirations. cause it was a lotus, they would have called it a lotus.

but i was also seeing it as lotus helped with some of the designs and helped with the production of the car, not so much as, lotus doing everything and being labeled as another vehicle.The Opel Speedster/Vauxhall VX220 was designed by Lotus for GM. THEN it was built in England in the Lotus factory by Lotus workers. You can't get much more Lotus than that.

www.speedster.opel.com/

Car manufacturers making trade off's and re-badging is common practice.

Master Shake

04-23-2009, 01:01 PM

The Opel Speedster/Vauxhall VX220 was designed by Lotus for GM. THEN it was built in England in the Lotus factory by Lotus workers. You can't get much more Lotus than that.

www.speedster.opel.com/ (http://www.speedster.opel.com/)

Car manufacturers making trade off's and re-badging is common practice.you're late on the convo.

way late.

speedminded

04-23-2009, 05:10 PM

you're late on the convo.

way late.Strange, I didn't realize there was a time limit on fixing stupid. Guess it's better late than never for some.

yea, it just seemed like lotus was there with the design and production of the car, over building it.What does this mean?

Atlblkz06

04-23-2009, 05:22 PM

i mean what kind of respectable sports car has altima wheels.

LOL. American ignorance at it's best? Unless I'm mistaken the Speedster came out 5 years before the SE-R.

The universe does not revolve around the earth. Believe it!

oneSLOWex

04-23-2009, 05:24 PM

fugly. i don't care what anyone says.

i mean what kind of respectable sports car has altima wheels.

Agreed.

speedminded

04-23-2009, 05:59 PM

LOL. American ignorance at it's best? Unless I'm mistaken the Speedster came out 5 years before the SE-R.

The universe does not revolve around the earth. Believe it!lol reps for you! Production on the Speedster/VX220 ended in 2005, about the time the Alitima SE-R got similar wheels...

EJ25RUN

04-23-2009, 06:16 PM

Agreed.

Nissan resorted to 240 wheels on the Skyline in the mid 90's to save money.

Jecht

04-23-2009, 07:57 PM

Lol @ calling it a Saturn Sky

VooDooXII

04-23-2009, 08:03 PM

I love those.

BobbyFresco

04-23-2009, 08:34 PM

Let's keep the discussion in here civil, please and thank you.

speedminded

04-23-2009, 09:05 PM

Let's keep the discussion in here civil, please and thank you.Fuck civil. Civil doesn't fix stupid lol!

VooDooXII

04-23-2009, 09:28 PM

Thats the european version of the Saturn Sky... Does it really weigh les then a miata???

Incorrect...this is an Opel Speedster. You're thinking of the Opel GT. The Speedster is mid-engined and far more stripped down than the GT. Love how they look and I bet they're a blast to drive.

http://photocarsonline.com/images/20070909072148_opel_gt_2007.jpg

RL...

04-23-2009, 09:44 PM

I've learned my lesson to debate with ej. he knows too much automotive knowledge for his own good.

EJ25RUN

04-23-2009, 11:14 PM

I've learned my lesson to debate with ej. he knows too much automotive knowledge for his own good.

iirc, i was one of the first people to throw it down with you when you joined. lol

RandomGuy

04-23-2009, 11:41 PM

niice ... I used to rock those hard on gran turismo LOL

Me86Rob

04-24-2009, 12:51 AM

i LOL at all the ppl in this thread that dont knwo what they are talking about
car is bad ass.

UpSideDownDesi

04-24-2009, 02:52 AM

things i'll do to get it

OnURleft

04-24-2009, 02:59 AM

It is like a european version of the sky, completely gutted with euro safety standards though. They are amazing cars to drive...

Frög

04-24-2009, 02:59 AM

In reference to the OP: :goodjob:

and LOL @ some of the comments..

Frög

04-24-2009, 03:01 AM

It is like a european version of the sky, completely gutted with euro safety standards though. They are amazing cars to drive...

:lmfao:

GSRteg®

04-24-2009, 06:39 AM

Damn that thing is ugly!

VooDooXII

04-24-2009, 08:39 AM

SampaGuy

04-24-2009, 08:43 AM

Scroll up and read my post...haha, this isn't the Sky. It's a completely different type of car.

You might want to get your sarcasm-o-meter checked out lol

speedminded

04-24-2009, 10:09 AM

It is like a european version of the sky, completely gutted with euro safety standards though. They are amazing cars to drive...

Scroll up and read my post...haha, this isn't the Sky. It's a completely different type of car.
lol! The sky platform was the replacement for this car. The Opel Speedster Vauxhall VX220 is MID-ENGINE...nothing like the Sky/Solstice.

VooDooXII

04-24-2009, 10:22 AM

You might want to get your sarcasm-o-meter checked out lol

Sarcasm? I was being serious. :thinking:

lol! The sky platform was the replacement for this car. The Opel Speedster Vauxhall VX220 is MID-ENGINE...nothing like the Sky/Solstice.

Oh the GT was actually a replacement? I don't think it does justice. The Sky/Solstice is more comparable to the Miata whereas the VX220/Speedster is more like the Lotus Elise.