NFL Draft

[FlipKing]

Its this saturday. Planning on watching? Watcha hoping from your team?

Falcons need CB, DT and I wouldnt mind a WR later in the day. Massaquoi for WR. That CB from Illionois.

[JTM]

the cb. vontae davis from illinois, massaquoi would be a nice pick up, asher allen for a cb in the later rounds, hopefully michael johnson from Ga Tech, and one of those linebacker from USC...

[FlipKing]

MJ will be gone before we pick. Allen will be avail later in the draft, 3rd or 4th rounds. LB from usc will prob be gone too.

[BanginJimmy]

Mathews will most likely make it to the falcons pick so I think that would be a solid pick.

The top 3 WR's will be gone before Atlanta, but Heyward-Bey out of Maryland would make a great selection and would probably take over as #1 before the end of the year.

Johnson is flying up draft boards right now and probably wont make it to Atlanta. Alot of teams need DL help.

Vonte Davis will also make it into the second round. He has TONS of talent, but he is still a little raw. If he is there in the second round he will be a great pick-up and would be ready to play come the 2010 season. I like Jenkins out of OSU better though because he is more physical and can play both FS and CB depending on the situation.

My darkhorse pick, RB out of UCONN if he is available, Donald Brown. He would compliment Turner perfectly and give him some rest. He is simply more talented than Norcross.

[FlipKing]

If knowshon falls to ATL I'd love that but I doubt it. We dont need a top WR. We have one in White. We need a 3rd WR.

[BanginJimmy]

KnoSho is falling in most mock drafts into the late 20's. I have even seen a couple mock drafts that have him drop into the early second round. Its not really a knock on him either, its just that this RB class is so deep that many teams are looking for something else in the first round.

[FlipKing]

I've seem 16-22 but I dont know if he will fall to ATL. Nor do I think we should spend a 1st on RB. Thats what Turner is for. Need to rebuild the D and a slot WR

[BanginJimmy]

i AGREE THAT WE DONT NEED ANOTHER #1 rb, BUT IF THEY ARE GOING TO GET ONE THEN i LIKE dONALD bROWN MORE THAN mORENO.

[FlipKing]

Holy caps lock. :-p I say Dline and CB the first 2 rounds, then if Massaquoi is there in the 3rd we pick him up.

[BanginJimmy]

Mass is a good receiver, but there will be more value than him in the 3rd or 4th rounds.

[FlipKing]

Actually some draft experts say he'd be a good value mid 2nd. He ran in the 4.4s and he has good size and hands have improved.

[FlipKing]

Michael Johnson is overrated. He had all the measurables and didnt really produce.

[BanginJimmy]

Michael Johnson is overrated. He had all the measurables and didnt really produce.

He has all of the measurables and that is why he will be mid 1st rounder. He isnt a character risk that I have heard of, its just a matter of getting him to go 100% on every play, instead of taking plays off like he did this year.

[sogood]

The top 3 WR's will be gone before Atlanta, but Heyward-Bey out of Maryland would make a great selection and would probably take over as #1 before the end of the year.

Who are you referring to as the top 3 receivers available? I know Crabtree and Maclin are the obvious 1 and 2, but with all the recent talks of Harvin I don't know if people are still considering him as the 3rd best. I guess we'll have to wait and see, but I get the feeling Harvin will still be available for the Falcons 24th overall pick and he has the versatility to play much more than just WR.

That said, I doubt the Falcons are going to go after a WR in the 1st round. I think they might go for Pettigrew if he's still available, if not then they'll obviously focus on defense.

[BanginJimmy]

Who are you referring to as the top 3 receivers available? I know Crabtree and Maclin are the obvious 1 and 2, but with all the recent talks of Harvin I don't know if people are still considering him as the 3rd best. I guess we'll have to wait and see, but I get the feeling Harvin will still be available for the Falcons 24th overall pick and he has the versatility to play much more than just WR.


Hakeem Nicks out of UNC or maybe even Brian Robiskie out of OSU. I think Harvin is more of a homerun threat than either of the 2 but Harvin's intelligence is in question right now(just like the 24 other whiz quiz failures at the combine) as is his size and his durability questions. Harvin may even slide out of the first round. I do think Harvin makes the most immediate impact on whatever team he ends up on if they have him returning kicks.

[FlipKing]

I've heard Harvin has attitude problems. We'll see. But the Falcons dont need a number 1 receiver. We have one. We have a good 2 also in Jenkins. We need a 3 and a TE. D needs a rebuild too. Let a lot of people go again.

[sogood]

Hakeem Nicks out of UNC or maybe even Brian Robiskie out of OSU. I think Harvin is more of a homerun threat than either of the 2 but Harvin's intelligence is in question right now(just like the 24 other whiz quiz failures at the combine) as is his size and his durability questions. Harvin may even slide out of the first round. I do think Harvin makes the most immediate impact on whatever team he ends up on if they have him returning kicks.

I wouldn't be worried about his size, there are plenty of WRs in the league that are 6ft or smaller and are very good. Questioning his durability is understandable, but none of his injuries have been serious enough to keep him out for very long. There are no excuses for him failing the piss test at the combine though, that's just poor decision making to say the least, but not as bad as some of the choices many NFL players have made.

I've seen some mock drafts that still have him going later in the first round and I've seen a few that put him all the way into the third round. Personally, I'd be extremely surprised to see him slip back that far, I think he's still a very good late first round pick and anyone that can pick him up later than that is getting a deal. He's obviously coachable under the right people and a huge offensive weapon, as seen in his UF days.

[HyPer50]

I'm hopin' they either pick up a DT or OLB in the first, or trade down and get 2 2nd round picks for it. Either way, "In TD I trust"

[Spectic Tank]

I've seem 16-22 but I dont know if he will fall to ATL. Nor do I think we should spend a 1st on RB. Thats what Turner is for. Need to rebuild the D and a slot WR

Harry Douglas ring a bell? He's better than Massa-whateverthefuck-his name is...

[FlipKing]

Meh, havent been impressed with him. Actually, Massaquoi is considered the most under rated Wr in the draft. He is pretty good with lots of upside.

[Spectic Tank]

Meh, havent been impressed with him.

You should watch the Falcons play on Sunday's:goodjob:

[FlipKing]

I did. :-p Maybe its b-c we didnt feature him much or w-e but didnt see anything that stood out. Good speed and all but we'll see. Isnt he from Loisville? Anyone recruited by Petrino is fail.ha

[BB6dohcvtec]

what Massaquoi is a joke.....no way would you even consider him in the first 3 rounds. sorry Mr. Big Drop is not that good.

[BB6dohcvtec]

the cb. vontae davis from illinois, massaquoi would be a nice pick up, asher allen for a cb in the later rounds, hopefully michael johnson from Ga Tech, and one of those linebacker from USC...

again Massaquoi would not be a nice pick up at all. and asher allen is just laughable :lmfao:

[BanginJimmy]

I wouldn't be worried about his size, there are plenty of WRs in the league that are 6ft or smaller and are very good. Questioning his durability is understandable, but none of his injuries have been serious enough to keep him out for very long. There are no excuses for him failing the piss test at the combine though, that's just poor decision making to say the least, but not as bad as some of the choices many NFL players have made.

No 1 thing is going to drop him, but all of his issues add up to me and I dont see first round in him. I'm not trying to diminish what he did in college at all, but the pro game is FAR faster than college is. Hell, there are LB's that are running the same 40 times as a WR these days.

[FlipKing]

Asher is rated in the 3rd round by some. Massaquoi played really well actually last year. Lets see what tebow does in the pros :rolleyes:

[BB6dohcvtec]

Massaquoi only had a good year because every defense was focusing on AJ Green. Asher Allen lol wasn't he Mr. should block vs. GT when their running back ran right through that?

[FlipKing]

GT ran all over everyone. He isnt a great CB but he is a good one, with decent size, good speed, and plays smart. Our Pass D was usually pretty good. It was the run D that kept failing like a kia.

[BanginJimmy]

Allen will most likely go in the 4th round as a value flier from the little bit of looking I did.

Tebow needs to prove a few things before he will be considered NFL quality. He needs to show he can move his feet like a QB and not a FB. I see him somewhere in the 4th or 5th round next year based on what he has done the last 2 years. Most likely he will be a TE/FB/QB type that will get most of his playing time for trick plays while he learns to really play another position.

[BB6dohcvtec]

Allen will most likely go in the 4th round as a value flier from the little bit of looking I did.

Tebow needs to prove a few things before he will be considered NFL quality. He needs to show he can move his feet like a QB and not a FB. I see him somewhere in the 4th or 5th round next year based on what he has done the last 2 years. Most likely he will be a TE/FB/QB type that will get most of his playing time for trick plays while he learns to really play another position.

Man your in for a surprise this year. Our new QBs coach has been working wonders with Tebow and Brantley this spring. I think you will be very surprised with Tebow's improvement this year.

[JTM]

Man your in for a surprise this year. Our new QBs coach has been working wonders with Tebow and Brantley this spring. I think you will be very surprised with Tebow's improvement this year.

shouldnt you be on some "importflorida" or some shit since youre mad hating. Florida this florida that..in case you forgot this is GEORGIA!!! ---key word importATLANTA!!!!

[BanginJimmy]

Man your in for a surprise this year. Our new QBs coach has been working wonders with Tebow and Brantley this spring. I think you will be very surprised with Tebow's improvement this year.


I have heard alot about that, but in all honesty, I will believe it when I see it. It will be easy to go through the growing pains against Citadel and such, but when they play someone with a pulse and its not working well I want to see how they (meaning Tebow and the coaching staff) handle it.

[BB6dohcvtec]

shouldnt you be on some "importflorida" or some shit since youre mad hating. Florida this florida that..in case you forgot this is GEORGIA!!! ---key word importATLANTA!!!!

Hating on what.. look at the facts UGA madly unachieved last year, and to speak on your keyword most people who live in atlanta are not even from the state if this was a UGA site they would call it importathens lol.

[sogood]

It never ceases to amaze me how many people rag on Tebow for this and that. For such a terrible QB he sure was efficient last season, much more so than the ever so praised Stafford. I'm not saying Stafford is a bad QB, but I'm still not convinced he'll be as good in the NFL as many seem to think.

[FlipKing]

As a UGA fan I will admit, I am jealous of what Tebow has accomplished for yall. However. Tebow runs left, he's gonna score, OH SHIT, RAY LEWIS JUST KILLED TEBOW!!!! just sayin....lol

[BB6dohcvtec]

lol ray lewis better hope his age doesn't catch up to him this season.

[Spectic Tank]

I did. :-p Maybe its b-c we didnt feature him much or w-e but didnt see anything that stood out. Good speed and all but we'll see. Isnt he from Loisville? Anyone recruited by Petrino is fail.ha

UGA 'Homer-ism' is strong with you...

[FlipKing]

True story. :-p Like I said DL and CB need to be taken care of first.

[Spectic Tank]

True story. :-p Like I said DL and CB need to be taken care of first.

Agreed. Except, no bulldogs.

[BB6dohcvtec]

TE should and will be taken first in Brendan Pettigrew. Write that down.

[BanginJimmy]

First pick was settled last night. Stafford to the Lions for 42.7M in guaranteed money.

[Deke]

First pick was settled last night. Stafford to the Lions for 42.7M in guaranteed money.

Stafford to Calvin...intriguing :)

[americanctm]

Damn Aaron Curry goes number 4 to Seattle, experts had him as the best player in the whole draft. I wonder how far Sanchez might fall...

[americanctm]

Whoa Jets move up and take Mark Sanchez!

[BanginJimmy]

Damn Aaron Curry goes number 4 to Seattle, experts had him as the best player in the whole draft.


That was more about needs than ability. 1 and 2 had more pressing needs and KC at #3 just made a bad pick.


VERY surprised with the Bengals. I thought they should have gone with Monroe instead. He has better feet than Smith and is a better pass blocker. Smith is a better run blocker, but the Bengals dont have a real RB yet so their running game is just to keep defenses honest.

[sogood]

The Raiders really need to stop getting a hard on over straight line speed and look at the whole picture. Heyward-Bey over Crabtree or even Maclin? Wow is all I can say.

[BanginJimmy]

The Raiders really need to stop getting a hard on over straight line speed and look at the whole picture. Heyward-Bey over Crabtree or even Maclin? Wow is all I can say.

I was pretty sure Harvin wasnt going to be a first rounder and would be the 4th or possibly 5th WR taken, but that was definitely a surprise. The Raiders will not be a winning franchise as long as Al Davis is calling the shots. He is scaring away the top coaching talent and the better players. I do think Hayward Bey is going to be a solid receiver though. Now they just need to be able to get the ball to him which is still up in the air because their O line sucks.

[BB6dohcvtec]

Harvin will be a first rounder. but heyward bey of crabtree is crazy. I don't think maclin is going to be a great pro.

[sogood]

Heyward-Bey's receiving stats in college were nothing to write home about at all. I highly doubt that someone that can hardly produce in college will do much of anything in the NFL besides utilize his speed in the return game.

[BB6dohcvtec]

Percy Harvin first round no.22 pick to the vikings

[sogood]

Not surprised to see him go in the first round, but I am surprised to see the Vikings be the one to take him. Hope he does well for them.

[americanctm]

Heyward-Bey's receiving stats in college were nothing to write home about at all. I highly doubt that someone that can hardly produce in college will do much of anything in the NFL besides utilize his speed in the return game.

The Raiders picks usually always suck... i mean in 2000 they took a kicker with the 17th overall pick! lmao

[americanctm]

and somebody is going to get an absolute steal at Middle Line Backer in the 2nd round by picking up either Rey Maualuga or James Laurinaitis

[sogood]

The Raiders picks usually always suck... i mean in 2000 they took a kicker with the 17th overall pick! lmao

That was my point...

[BB6dohcvtec]

James lauranitis is not that good imo.

[BanginJimmy]

James lauranitis is not that good imo.


You havent watched much football then. He is an inside the box type of LB that really is a throwback to the 80's. Not very good in coverage, but he is a great tackler and has great instincts. The only real place for him to improve is in shedding blockers.

[BB6dohcvtec]

Yea thats true I don't watch alot of Big Ten football but from what I've seen he is slow and if your running a crossing route in his vicinity he is not going to make the tackle. He is a great stuff the run linebacker, but I like linebackers who can also drop back in coverage if need be and james def. can't do that.

[americanctm]

Ya but he'll learn. Like Jimmy said he has great instincts and i'm surprised he got past the 1st round, along with Rey Maualuga as well.

[BanginJimmy]

Ya but he'll learn. Like Jimmy said he has great instincts and i'm surprised he got past the 1st round, along with Rey Maualuga as well.


Both of them had the exact same issues. Outstanding inside that tackle box and about 10 yards back, but they arent coverage type LBers. Both work great in a 4-3 defense but would struggle in a 3-4.

[TheGodfather]

Hakeem Nicks holllllaaaa!!!!

Jets with Sanchez and Bucs with Freeman both dumb as shit if you ask me.

[Spectic Tank]

Al davis is bat shit crazy!

I think the Falcons made out pretty well. Got two possible starters at DT and S.

[BanginJimmy]

Falcons did have a good draft. No one did better than the Saints and Eagles though.

[VIP Style]

no way, harry douglas is not even all that great, he is pretty small and not nearly as big as massa.
Harry Douglas ring a bell? He's better than Massa-whateverthefuck-his name is...

[VIP Style]

i think the lions messed up by picking up stafford. they really dont need a rookie QB.

[jle254]

There were actually many teams that did very well. But ill have to agree with VIP style about stafford. Personally i think he will be a bust. I mean hes a good qb but I dont know just have my doubts. Falcons did pretty well this draft though

[BB6dohcvtec]

no way, harry douglas is not even all that great, he is pretty small and not nearly as big as massa.

dude massa is not that good. massa=Mr. Big drop

[VIP Style]

but massa is more physical, has a better frame, you understand where im coming from. he will probably be a bigger threat than harry.
dude massa is not that good. massa=Mr. Big drop

[VIP Style]

im telling you man, lions should have drafted a badass linebacker to anchor the defense, and a very good offensive tackle. culpepper is pretty good, im not sure if stafford should get thrown into that mess in detroit.
There were actually many teams that did very well. But ill have to agree with VIP style about stafford. Personally i think he will be a bust. I mean hes a good qb but I dont know just have my doubts. Falcons did pretty well this draft though

[americanctm]

Hakeem Nicks holllllaaaa!!!!

Jets with Sanchez and Bucs with Freeman both dumb as shit if you ask me.

Well considering Sanchez only played like 16 college football games, non of which in cold weather regularly like New York i think he went to high.

But wait till next years Draft, it'll be packed with QBs.... Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, Jevon Snead, Zac Robinson, Matt Grothe, Tood Reesing, Juice Williams....

[jle254]

Definitely agree with you VIP. Stafford im shure he is good but i dont think hes gonna pull a Matt ryan with the falcons. Detroit just really needs a whole overhaul. Thier defense was ok but yeah thier Offensive line was horrible or was it vice versa? i wasnt shure its been awhile since i have checked out one of thier games.

[jle254]

Oh man i never payed attention to college football but I totally forgot about Tim tebow next year. Truthfully in my opinion i think he would be a bust to. Only because he is more of a scrambler BUT i dont watch college football much so dont judge me on it. Its just to me Micheal Vick was the only scrambling QB that had success so far

[BanginJimmy]

Well considering Sanchez only played like 16 college football games, non of which in cold weather regularly like New York i think he went to high.

Brett Farve played his ball at S.Mississippi. Anyone can learn to play their ball in the cold. The first year isnt going to be pretty though.


But wait till next years Draft, it'll be packed with QBs.... Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, Jevon Snead, Zac Robinson, Matt Grothe, Tood Reesing, Juice Williams....

They will be drafted in this order barring any injuries or total meltdowns/breakouts:

Bradford
McCoy
Snead
Grothe
Tebow
Robinson
Williams

Maybe 1 or 2 not as well knowns thrown in there also. The pocket based passers will go first, then move down from there. From what I have been reading, there isnt any real NFL interest in Tebow as he is a college type QB that lacks the arm strength to play QB in the NFL.

[TheGodfather]

Brett Farve played his ball at S.Mississippi. Anyone can learn to play their ball in the cold. The first year isnt going to be pretty though.



They will be drafted in this order barring any injuries or total meltdowns/breakouts:

Bradford
McCoy
Snead
Grothe
Tebow
Robinson
Williams

Maybe 1 or 2 not as well knowns thrown in there also. The pocket based passers will go first, then move down from there. From what I have been reading, there isnt any real NFL interest in Tebow as he is a college type QB that lacks the arm strength to play QB in the NFL.


:bump:

Tebow=the loss.

[Spectic Tank]

but massa is more physical, has a better frame, you understand where im coming from.

One thing you forgot...Hands! They're more important than size...do you understand where I'm coming from?

[VIP Style]

but look at it this way, he gets a good WR coach to coach up those hands, and there you go, a beast is born. its not all about instant talent, you have to look at potential as well.
One thing you forgot...Hands! They're more important than size...do you understand where I'm coming from?

[FlipKing]

T.O has always dropped a ton of passes, and look what he produced. ( I hate T.O. but look at the numbers). Massaqoui will have a better career than douglas

[BB6dohcvtec]

T.O has always dropped a ton of passes, and look what he produced. ( I hate T.O. but look at the numbers). Massaqoui will have a better career than douglas

Nope.

[Spectic Tank]

T.O has always dropped a ton of passes, and look what he produced. ( I hate T.O. but look at the numbers). Massaqoui will have a better career than douglas

Kid hasn't even sat on the bench in the NFL and you can already claim that?

I think he's got skill, but people were saying that the Flacons should draft him...really?! Yea, HD is no Terrel Owens but he's a quality slot receiver and a return man. Why waste a pick on a guy with questionable hands? Other than the fact that he played at UGAy.

[FlipKing]

Lol, I've watched Mass play his entire career. I watched HD play last year. Just saying, from what I see Mass is better. But we did need to draft D and not O. Notice how high Mass was drafted. Apparently some pro teams saw the same thing.

[Spectic Tank]

Lol, I've watched Mass play his entire career. I watched HD play last year. Just saying, from what I see Mass is better. But we did need to draft D and not O. Notice how high Mass was drafted. Apparently some pro teams saw the same thing.

So you're comparing a college player with someone playing in the NFL? I'm sure massa looked pretty damn good then.:goodjob:

Oh and we all know that where you get drafted determines your skill. Ryan Leaf was an amazing QB...no?

Massa plays at wideout where HD plys the slot. HD is also a HUGE part of our special teams, and get a few carries out of the backfield as well. So maybe Massa is a better receiver, but Douglas is a better football player(and I'd take that anyday).

[FlipKing]

Lol, you are right, being smaller and slower than Mass makes Douglas much better. Mass was never attempted to be used like that, doesnt mean he cant. OH, im sure douglas made it to the NFL by playing slot....lol

[Spectic Tank]

Lol, you are right, being smaller and slower than Mass makes Douglas much better. Mass was never attempted to be used like that, doesnt mean he cant. OH, im sure douglas made it to the NFL by playing slot....lol

Smaller...yes

Slower...LOL

I wonder why he wasn't used like that...maybe because they're were better athletes on the team. I mean he was the second best receiver on his team. HD plays slot in the NFL because it's a different game.

The fact that HD HAS made plays in the NFL makes him a better receiver. If Massa blows up then I'll eat my crow. Until then, he's just another unproven player.

[BanginJimmy]

Harry Douglas will never be a superstar, but he works great in his current role.

[FlipKing]

Harry Douglas will never be a superstar, but he works great in his current role.

Reps, I can agree with that statement.

[Spectic Tank]

Harry Douglas will never be a superstar, but he works great in his current role.

Agreed as well, that's why we didn't need to draft another receiver.

Although we drafted like 3 of them as un-drafted free agents, along with JOhn Parker Wilson or whatever the hell his name is from Alabama.

[BanginJimmy]

Agreed as well, that's why we didn't need to draft another receiver.

Although we drafted like 3 of them as un-drafted free agents, along with JOhn Parker Wilson or whatever the hell his name is from Alabama.


Most of those FA's that were signed will get their 30k or so and get cut before the end of preseason. Wilson will stick around as I thin he will win the #2 or #3 job and Shockley will be unemployed.

[FlipKing]

I kinda think Shockley might challenge for the number 2. Yeah, he's a project but he's a winner. Got to start for one year, and won the SEC championship. Gotta respect that

[BanginJimmy]

I kinda think Shockley might challenge for the number 2. Yeah, he's a project but he's a winner. Got to start for one year, and won the SEC championship. Gotta respect that

Shockley couldnt win the #2 slot with Redman and that other loser in town, how do you think he will do with a stud at QB now and a QB with the right skill-set, but a project in town now? Maybe they will keep shockley in town on the practice squad for use when they play TN and wherever Vick ends up.

[VIP Style]

redman is only the number two simply because he is a veteran that provides support. redman will not be around much longer, im pretty sure he will retire next season. this will cause DJ to more than likely become number two. ryan is a good QB, but if our running game is not as effective as it was last season, ryan will not do as well. a strong running game opens up lanes downfield for the pass, and thats what ryan needs this coming up season to be successful.



Shockley couldnt win the #2 slot with Redman and that other loser in town, how do you think he will do with a stud at QB now and a QB with the right skill-set, but a project in town now? Maybe they will keep shockley in town on the practice squad for use when they play TN and wherever Vick ends up.

[VIP Style]

see thats what some people dont understand. you can have a QB whos passer rating is through the roof, but if he is not a "winner", than his rating really doesnt mean shit. matt ryan is good, but until he gets us past the NFC championship, i cant say he is better than vick. another situation that baffles me is how matt stafford went number one overall in this years draft. correct me if im wrong, but wasnt georgia ranked number 1? and fell to number 10 or worse? if he was such a stud, he would not have let alabama tap that butt like they did.
I kinda think Shockley might challenge for the number 2. Yeah, he's a project but he's a winner. Got to start for one year, and won the SEC championship. Gotta respect that

[FlipKing]

Yup, he was patient, waited his turn, and WON. He has character, a good skill set, decent feet, and not a bad arm. I dont really see a bad side to developing him.

[VIP Style]

shockley needs to go to a team where he can start, that would be nice.
Yup, he was patient, waited his turn, and WON. He has character, a good skill set, decent feet, and not a bad arm. I dont really see a bad side to developing him.

[FlipKing]

Well, for now I think we should keep him as our number 2 to develop in case Ryan gets hurt

[BB6dohcvtec]

lol at thinking shockley can contend for the number 2 QB spot he will be released by the 2nd game of the preseason.

[FlipKing]

lol at thinking shockley can contend for the number 2 QB spot he will be released by the 2nd game of the preseason.

Dont really trust your judgement with any UF or UGA player, you are the biggest homer I have ever seen. Tebow, great college QB. Runs too much and will get hurt in the NFL. Has good arm strength but not great. Plays too reckless at times. Harvin, fast as hell great with returns, has route problems and character issues. See? I actually know shit abt your players. Not just where they played.

[Spectic Tank]

Dont really trust your judgement with any UF or UGA player, you are the biggest homer I have ever seen. Tebow, great college QB. Runs too much and will get hurt in the NFL. Has good arm strength but not great. Plays too reckless at times. Harvin, fast as hell great with returns, has route problems and character issues. See? I actually know shit abt your players. Not just where they played.

Pot meet kettle.

How long has Shockley been in the league? Has he ever been anything more than 3rd string? He was beat out by Chris Redman last year...what a winner:rolleyes:

[Spectic Tank]

see thats what some people dont understand. you can have a QB whos passer rating is through the roof, but if he is not a "winner", than his rating really doesnt mean shit. matt ryan is good, but until he gets us past the NFC championship, i cant say he is better than vick.

LOL, so I guess Dan Marino wasn't a very good QB?

[FlipKing]

Umm, if you knew how to read, you would see where I said he was a PROJECT, but then cited that he was a WINNER. I know Florida players and actually give them decent chances. Yeah, I'm a bit of a UGA homer, but I know how to judge football players of ALL schools. He says every player form UGA sucks. Its quite retarded.

[FlipKing]

Stafford was never a good leader, and wasnt that great at making decisions, but last year UGA's D was horrible so that let him down alot too

[LeGeNdaRyLeGeNd]

Shockley is not that good. Stop riding UGA players. Stop hating on Tebow because he kills UGA. Just because he runs alot doesn't mean he will get hurt in the NFL. Stop hating on all the FL players. They have talent and alot of speed. Something UGA didn't have besides moreno.

Shockley will stay #3 ("He has character, a good skill set, decent feet, and not a bad arm. I dont really see a bad side to developing him.")
Just sounds like any other average qb, why not choose a more established experience Qb over him. he just sounds average on paper from what your saying.

[FlipKing]

Mass-drops balls
Stafford-not a leader, doesnt make good decisions
Moreno-not really big enough, doesnt knwo when to go down
Ellerbe- Undrafted free agent, signed by baltimore- undersized but quick, injury plagued senior season, disapeared at times
Tebow- running in the NFL gets you hurt, ask Mcnabb, Vick, Culpepper.
Harvin-fast, good return, but never ran that many routes, will have problems playing receiver and was called a locker room cancer.



Gtfo here. I rate players fairly. You Florida homers that say Harvin and Tebow are god and moreno and stafford are horrible thats where you fail.

[Spectic Tank]

Umm, if you knew how to read, you would see where I said he was a PROJECT, but then cited that he was a WINNER. I know Florida players and actually give them decent chances. Yeah, I'm a bit of a UGA homer, but I know how to judge football players of ALL schools. He says every player form UGA sucks. Its quite retarded.

A winner in college and in the NFL are two different things...in the NFL he is a 3rd string QB. I guess PROJECT sounds better though...

[BanginJimmy]

Why would the Falcons continue to work on a player that has not progressed past the #3 slot in the 4 years he has been there when they just signed a new FA project that better fits Mike Smith's system and skill set requirements right out of college?

Winning means nothing when you dont have the skills to get on the field to start with. Face it, not a single team in the NFL is so lacking of a QB that they would start Shockley. I did see Shock play twice last year in the preseason. In the 4th quarter against players that were mostly going to be cut or sent to the practice team Shockley struggled. How do you think he will go against a complete NFL defense?

Stafford needs more time to develop and should have stayed in college. He made his decision to leave only after Bradford and McCoy said they were staying as both of them would have been picked before him. Detroit will ruin any chance he has to develop and he will go down as a flop even though it wont really be his fault.

Tebow will try to get drafted as a QB but any team that drafts him before the 4th round will be looking at other positions as well. Arm strength is an issue. All of his passes over 20 yards are looping passes that an NFL defense will eat up, or kill his receivers. He has too much of a running mindset that will have NFL LB's licking their chops. No more small fast LB's, just large fast ones that LOVE a shot at a QB.

[LeGeNdaRyLeGeNd]

Mass-drops balls
Stafford-not a leader, doesnt make good decisions
Moreno-not really big enough, doesnt knwo when to go down
Ellerbe- Undrafted free agent, signed by baltimore- undersized but quick, injury plagued senior season, disapeared at times
Tebow- running in the NFL gets you hurt, ask Mcnabb, Vick, Culpepper.
Harvin-fast, good return, but never ran that many routes, will have problems playing receiver and was called a locker room cancer.



Gtfo here. I rate players fairly. You Florida homers that say Harvin and Tebow are god and moreno and stafford are horrible thats where you fail.



You can say the same thing about crabtree. watch his games he doesn't run that many routes its alot of underneath routes and comeback routes.

you can teach route running with a speed and agility player because they already have the natural ability to seperate from defenders. Harvin will run alot of comeback routes in the nfl just like wes welker.

Not sure what you mean by your statement of moreno up there, but I didn't know it was wrong for a rb to not desire to go down. I think Petterson faired out pretty well with the same instinct. I think moreno will do well in the nfl.

Stafford has the potential to be good, why because arm strength in the past few years has proven to work out. Well the guys that have half a brain atleast.. (Ex. Big ben, & Flacco) they have big time arms and have proven that arm strength helps. The only thing is that both came into the league with a proven defense/ establishment. Stafford may have a hard time, but culpepper will most likely start until midseason or until he gets hurt. Stafford will have a little time to develop. The thing with decision making is qb's are born with that natural instinct to throw and make decisions. its hard to teach it. you can make the right read but its alot of instinct play. big ben for example he makes plays happen all the time. Stafford will have to do that to prove himself with the massive amounts of pass rush he will get. it will be hard to learn when to take the sack and when to throw it and this is what will show if he is ready or not. some of those things can not be taught. he has the ability to move though so it is a plus for him. he will learn to understand that he has to have a voice to be a big time qb in the nfl. you have to make people listen to you because you drive the rest of the team. when he becomes a start he will have to set up and initiate his role.

As far a Mass, the nfl has proven that sure heads is a big factor. You don't always have to be the fastest guy out there but crisp routes and sure heads is what seperates you from the other wr out there. Team have the ability to choose from hundreds and hundreds of talented wr's year in and year out. if you can't catch what makes you think they will choose you. to them you look just like the guy next to you. so you have to be able to seperate yourself from the next person. if you lack in one area you better be dang good in another area. so there really is no upside for Mass. ya he may be a team player but there is tons of them also. you can pick up guys like that all day long.

Tebow will be a good fit for back up qb/ 3rd down and redzone player. The nfl has come to the point where playbooks are becoming more complicated and offense are creating new things to keep the pass rush on the edge. So getting tebow into an offense will force teams to prepare for him and thus causing alot of time to be used up to play him. There is tons of things he can be used for. whether its FB, QB, wildcat qb, rb, whatever he can be used in some systems. dolphins for example could use him. the Patriots have planned for a new offensive scheme. the nfl is evolving to the hybrid type qbs coming from college. There is not alot of prue breed pocket passers anymore. qbs are now quick and agile with the ability to throw so its going to open up alot of new things. The great thing about tebow is his leadership ability. he wont get in trouble and he has proven himself in college. he can make a great asset to a team with little risk. he will not sit there and complain about being 3rd string qb. who know he may play fb and be 3rd string qb.

ellerbe will be a good lb. he has great explosion to me and can lay hits. alot of teams want speed and big hitters. he may not be the strongest but he can fit in somewhere. Baltimore is a great place to start for any lb.




Back to the draft. I think the eagles will be very dangerous this year after looking at their pick ups

[FlipKing]

I can respect that arguement. Moreno is undersized as his, and he always fights for the extra yard. Great for his team, bad for his health. Idk, Eagles still need alot of work on D

[BanginJimmy]

the nfl is evolving to the hybrid type qbs coming from college. There is not alot of pure breed pocket passers anymore.



The NFL is evolving to those type of players because the level of QB talent coming out of college is going down.

Look at the pathetic QB class from last year. I only see 2 pro ready QB's in Ryan and Flacco. None of the others will make a long term career in the NFL without major work. Chad Henne is probably in the ebst situation of this group because he is in a Parcells organization and will sit behind Pennington for another year or 2.

Pathetic QB class this year with 3 QB's that MIGHT be NFL ready, but all 3 have huge question marks over their heads and are just as likely to be complete busts as they are back-ups and little chance for any of them to be long term NFL starters.

Another pathetic QB class coming next year with only 3 or 4 pro ready QB's coming up and only 2 I see as starting QB potential. The other 2 will be short term starters somewhere and long term backups. Think Brian Griese.

[sogood]

Dont really trust your judgement with any UF or UGA player, you are the biggest homer I have ever seen. Tebow, great college QB. Runs too much and will get hurt in the NFL. Has good arm strength but not great. Plays too reckless at times. Harvin, fast as hell great with returns, has route problems and character issues. See? I actually know shit abt your players. Not just where they played.

LOL! You're just repeating what you hear on ESPN.

Are you really calling someone else a homer when you're going on about developing DJ Shockley into a starting NFL QB...? He's garbage and I'd say that no matter what college he came out of, UF included.

[VIP Style]

if tebow goes to the NFL, he will be a franchise quarterback. the boy can play some damn ball. i dont understand how folks talk down on tebow like he aint worth a damn. just look at what he is doing down in florida. it wouldnt surprise me if they have another winnning season.
Shockley is not that good. Stop riding UGA players. Stop hating on Tebow because he kills UGA. Just because he runs alot doesn't mean he will get hurt in the NFL. Stop hating on all the FL players. They have talent and alot of speed. Something UGA didn't have besides moreno.

Shockley will stay #3 ("He has character, a good skill set, decent feet, and not a bad arm. I dont really see a bad side to developing him.")
Just sounds like any other average qb, why not choose a more established experience Qb over him. he just sounds average on paper from what your saying.

[BanginJimmy]

if tebow goes to the NFL, he will be a franchise quarterback. the boy can play some damn ball. i dont understand how folks talk down on tebow like he aint worth a damn. just look at what he is doing down in florida. it wouldnt surprise me if they have another winnning season.

I have seen what he did in college. He has accounted for less throwing TD's in a season as some other professional highlight reals like Danny Wuerfull and Chris Weinke.

Tebow's great numbers come mainly from him running the ball, which he will not do in the NFL. You can bring up passing effiency if you want, but then look at the number of throws per game. He only averages 24 throws per game through his 2 years starting with well over half of his throws (27 per game) coming in his junior season (13 games). He also never brought a team back from behind in the 4th quarter in his starting career's 5 chances.

[BB6dohcvtec]

You can'y really compare tebow to Wuerfull(sp) because wuerfull played in the fun and gun offense where all the QBs put up big time passing numbers. back to flipking who wants to call me a homer. Massaquoi still equals Mr. Big Drop until proven otherwise, Stafford still won't last a full season because the lions offensive line is gonna get him killed. Moreno might not be as good as some think seeing that shanahan aka I can develop any running back you give me into a star is gone but will put some solid numbers.

[BanginJimmy]

You can'y really compare tebow to Wuerfull(sp) because wuerfull played in the fun and gun offense where all the QBs put up big time passing numbers.


Well I tried to think of some other great college QB's from Florida that put up the great numbers. Wrecks Grossman could be thrown in there also and look where he is now. Looking for a job.

[BB6dohcvtec]

rex also played in the same system as danny.

[FlipKing]

Actually never said shockley would start. I said he'd be a good back up. Mass is not Mr big drop, that title goes a WR from a few years back. Cant remember his name. Playing yall, he was wide open and dropped the ball at the end of the game. Just saying, when tebows running stops being respected, his throwing flaws will be magnified.

[BanginJimmy]

Well I went through my entire list of good Florida QB's for the last 40 years or so. All of them sucked in the NFL.

[LeGeNdaRyLeGeNd]

Actually never said shockley would start. I said he'd be a good back up. Mass is not Mr big drop, that title goes a WR from a few years back. Cant remember his name. Playing yall, he was wide open and dropped the ball at the end of the game. Just saying, when tebows running stops being respected, his throwing flaws will be magnified.


Tebows flaws have already been magnified.. thats why they are working on a new throwing motion for him and developing his foot work.

[tippatone]

Tim Tebow will be an H-back or TE in the pro ranks, he has a suspect at best arm

[BB6dohcvtec]

Well I went through my entire list of good Florida QB's for the last 40 years or so. All of them sucked in the NFL.

Rex got the bears to the super bowl once upon a time lol

[BB6dohcvtec]

Doug Johnson had a solid career mainly as a 2nd stringer but was dependable

[BB6dohcvtec]

Actually never said shockley would start. I said he'd be a good back up. Mass is not Mr big drop, that title goes a WR from a few years back. Cant remember his name. Playing yall, he was wide open and dropped the ball at the end of the game. Just saying, when tebows running stops being respected, his throwing flaws will be magnified.

I don't see tebow's running not being respected in the college ranks ever.

[LeGeNdaRyLeGeNd]

I don't see tebow's running not being respected in the college ranks ever.
very true. also since when has a qb that had the ability to run not been respected. The defense is forced to respect his ability, thus causing them to plan for it. If you don't respect/prepare for it, it may come back to haunt you.

people may not praise him for his qb/running ability, but you have to give props to urban for creating an offense that is center around his ability. when that happens it will make your qb look good when all cylinders are firing right.

[FlipKing]

Talking pro, when he meets ed reed or another big hitter in the open field. Pro wont respect his running.

[BanginJimmy]

Rex got the bears to the super bowl once upon a time lol

I remember that season well. Against Arizona Wrecks threw 3 picks and no TD's while the defense/ST scored 3 TD's. That was the game Devon Hester became a household name. You can look at his play against Indy in the SB to see the real Wrecks.

BTW, who is he playing for now?

[BanginJimmy]

I don't see tebow's running not being respected in the college ranks ever.

Respected and feared are 2 different things. Put a LB on Tebow as a shadow all game and his running goes to nothing. Case in point, look at UGA in 07 and the Cap 1 Bowl in 07 against Michigan. Shawn Crable harassed Tebow all game and it really showed in the 4th quarter. If it wasnt for Harvin, Michigan would have blown Florida out.