D16

[jerseyef9]

i am currently in the process of doing somethin a lil different i wanna build a na sohc yes a SOHC i wanted to know whats the best head you can but on d16a6 block. i just need suggestions i don't need your lil bitch remarks thank you for help

[punkr6]

z6 or y8, check out http://d-series.org/forums/

[jerseyef9]

oh thanks now as far as pistons and rods

[SKarpenz]

IIRC D15b7 pistons in a D16Z6 engine and a 2-layer HG will yield what, 12.5:1 compression? You could slap a Y8 head on for a little higher compression ratio. This will get you into the N/A range with oem parts.

[jerseyef9]

i got d16a6 motor it in 89si hatch

[SKarpenz]

Yeah I totally ignored that part. LOL

But it shouldn't make a shit, aren't all D16's the same on the lower end (for the most part) minus pistons?

[jerseyef9]

so whats realistics numbers on whp

[SKarpenz]

High 100's maybe. With high compression and cam/valvetrain. Doubt you'd make over 185whp. Maybe I just don't have much faith in the SOHC as an all motor app.

[jerseyef9]

i would be happy wit 170 man to be honest i know they don't have that much room its okay just like the sohc for now later when my budget is up to par i will get in to the swap thanks for your help

[SKarpenz]

Yeah bro. Just don't expect huge numbers from the SOHC. If your using OEM shits then it won't matter anyway since you wont be deep in $$$. Good luck with the build.

[jerseyef9]

thanks alot man

[SP33D FREAK]

good luck going for 170whp on a sohc if its not a race only motor... like Bisimoto

[jerseyef9]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^what you mean?

[SKarpenz]

Shit's not gonna be very streetable.

[jerseyef9]

how so?

[allmotorX]

Hmm 150-160whp on a sohc would get you into mid to high 13s n/a you can put zc pistons in and i would say keep your head and get bisi level 2 regrind cam pnp the head a lil thinner headgasket maybe 2layer like the above statement, i/e/h and youd be good for 13's

[bigdare23]

You're luckly if you get 145hp out of a N/A d


Most n/a motors with 150hp+ have some $$$ invested. My suggestion would be to throw some boost on that motor or do a swap. Don't get me wrong, I went down that path of the n/a build d, but got rid of the parts before I finished because after researching people with similar builds and seeing thier results I decided it wasn't worth it.

[Starrfire]

In laymans words, you ain't getting 150 whp. All of these engines you see that do have some serious secrets within them, and most of the people that say they are "stock" builds are lying like hell. You'll be lucky to get 130 whp out of that setup. D series motors that make more than 150 whp cost about as much as a cheap k swap.

[jdm>usdm]

Dont build it. I put close to a grand into the head of my n/a y8.
Big mistake, huge waste of time and money.

Live and learn.lol

[Arm&hammer]

just put a gsr in it and call it a day.
you're not gonna get "real" power out of a sohc motor.

[ejohnson88]

Get a K, and THEN call it a day.

[jerseyef9]

wished i had the money for that man it would be nice to get that man but oh well

[allmotorX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zulee2XCgxU all motor and he aint even putting down 170whp

[jerseyef9]

that looks good

[TheChosenOne]

Boost the D or go H2B!!! :crazy:

[jerseyef9]

h2b i gotta cut some and knock firewalll man

[allmotorX]

h2b i gotta cut some and knock firewalll man dont forget hood clearance

[jerseyef9]

yeah that would great swap though i will be dragin these k swaps easy

[allmotorX]

yeah that would great swap though i will be dragin these k swaps easyyou can do that with a d lol with the right parts n/a

[Grimm Reeper]

yeah that would great swap though i will be dragin these k swaps easy
:ninja: :lmfao: :goodjob:

[punkr6]

all your low budget d-series needs
http://www.fjdistributors.com/

[jerseyef9]

tony you are funny dude

[allmotorX]

tony you are funny:gay: dude :goodjob:

[Grimm Reeper]

:goodjob:


:ninja: I see what you did there, I've seen an even funnier video :D

[Grimm Reeper]

tony you are funny dude :D

[allmotorX]

:Dstill rocking brb logo huh i guess were both rejects

[Grimm Reeper]

still rocking brb logo huh i guess were both rejects lol officially I'm not a reject :D and neither are you :thinking: :lmfao: :gay:

[allmotorX]

lol officially I'm not a reject :D and neither are you :thinking: :lmfao: :gay:i am:cry:

[jerseyef9]

you guys official have no life lol

[allmotorX]

you guys officially have a great life lolThanks man i appreciate that:cheers:

[Jazze Ek]

I will be doing a sohc build n/a just to have some fun with it but I do have a gsr with 13 to1 compression and some nice head work with flat face vales the same will done with the sohc or higher people may say don't do it but what every I say just do it too see what it makes and what it do people told not to go high with the gsr but it is still running with no problem so do what you do and keep it moving and if you blow it up how much is a sohc vs a gsr ok then

[jdm93civic]

I think he could get in the 150's. I would say y8 head. Here is my suggestion.
Bore it .20 over
11:5 - 12:5 Comp Pistons
H-Beam Rods
Valvetrain
Block Guarded
Tuned
And do research on what bolt ons make power and don't. I beleive you will be in the 150's or really close. For a DD that is all I would do.

[SKarpenz]

I will be doing a sohc build n/a just to have some fun with it but I do have a gsr with 13 to1 compression and some nice head work with flat face vales the same will done with the sohc or higher people may say don't do it but what every I say just do it too see what it makes and what it do people told not to go high with the gsr but it is still running with no problem so do what you do and keep it moving and if you blow it up how much is a sohc vs a gsr ok then

God damn dude, punctuate much?

I agree though, do it to see what you can get from it. Run high octane and get it tuned and you may surprise a lot of folks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzOBccBlDwg

[Master Shake]

i don't know man, all motor d motor that could spank folks would be extremely nice, but i think the amount of money and time invested into it, over the life of the motor, might not be worth it. but really, money not being a problem, anything is possible. i just want to send my 95 civic coupe into the 12's with a sohc.

[jdm93civic]

now a NA Sohc in the 12's? hmm. What shell? (May have missed it in the beggining) It can be done.

[Turbodude06]

u just need higher compresson and a bunch of head work thats the week point in the d's.......

-EX tranny
-Vtec head y8-z6
-Cam stg2-3
-Valvtrain
-Ported-match the intake man.
-High comp. 11:5-12:1
-Tune
- U should be around 140-150hp, and that will beat/stay with most B's

[Turbodude06]

I think he could get in the 150's. I would say y8 head. Here is my suggestion.
Bore it .20 over
11:5 - 12:5 Comp Pistons
H-Beam Rods
Valvetrain
Block Guarded
Tuned
And do research on what bolt ons make power and don't. I beleive you will be in the 150's or really close. For a DD that is all I would do.

Or just about what he said lol didn't see this till after I wrote mine... What do u need a block gaurd on NA for?

[Master Shake]

now a NA Sohc in the 12's? hmm. What shell? (May have missed it in the beggining) It can be done.oh, lol, i'm not going all motor into the 12's. waaay more money and time i want to spend.

its a 95 civic ex coupe, full interiour. i figured with around 350-375hp maybe 400, it could be done. although i will need to swap my tranny though. dx trans ftl!

[jdm93civic]

I block guard all motors i do any internal bottom end work to. I tjust insures some type of stregthning. I had a b16 i bored .20 over with 11:5 comp and shifted a sleeve. I do it as a precaution.




Or just about what he said lol didn't see this till after I wrote mine... What do u need a block gaurd on NA for?

[Turbodude06]

oh ok yea u can never be to safe......

[jerseyef9]

thanks guys for all your imput i am in the proces of building

[Master Shake]

are you gonna use juice on it?

[ejohnson88]

I love how I see all these posts about "Oh I will be dragging the K's with this setup or so on..." I still haven't seen 'PROOF' of it... so when you do then you can start saying this shit. Because as it stands... A stock K is still making just as much power as these built H's and B's.

[allmotorX]

I love how I see all these posts about "Oh I will be dragging the K's with this setup or so on..." I still haven't seen 'PROOF' of it... so when you do then you can start saying this shit. Because as it stands... A stock K is still making just as much power as these built H's and B's.lol no comment

[SKarpenz]

I love how I see all these posts about "Oh I will be dragging the K's with this setup or so on..." I still haven't seen 'PROOF' of it... so when you do then you can start saying this shit. Because as it stands... A stock K is still making just as much power as these built H's and B's.

lulz

[Master Shake]

I love how I see all these posts about "Oh I will be dragging the K's with this setup or so on..." I still haven't seen 'PROOF' of it... so when you do then you can start saying this shit. Because as it stands... A stock K is still making just as much power as these built H's and B's.there's not a lot of difference in hp between a stock h22 and a k-series.

h22 is what.....190hp?
k20 is around 200hp?

but all motor, i'd take the k, boost, b.

[B_Hoov]

if you want a budget build 150whp d series...they dont exist, i have done it. here is what it took.

honda cbr 954rr itb setup with porsche trumpets (complete custom)
je 11:5:1 ceramic coated pistons 78mm
custom stainless header
one serious p&p (Z6 head)
ferrera oversize valves+springs+retainers all titanium
hondata s300
crower pro billet rods
arp rod bolts and head studs
cometic head gasket (alot thinner then stock)
acl race/main/journal bearings


was not worth it

[jdm93civic]

Actually....A stock h22 with ys1 tranny will take a stock k all day with half the money spent!!




I love how I see all these posts about "Oh I will be dragging the K's with this setup or so on..." I still haven't seen 'PROOF' of it... so when you do then you can start saying this shit. Because as it stands... A stock K is still making just as much power as these built H's and B's.

[Starrfire]

my bolt on h2b makes the same power as a bolt on K. i don't see why more b swap people don't do it. The torque is way better than my other gsr hatch. i run the same times and mph's as a k too. I wouldn't do a k20, but rather a 2.4 hybrid would be the only k I would do.

[allmotorX]

In laymans words, you ain't getting 150 whp. All of these engines you see that do have some serious secrets within them, and most of the people that say they are "stock" builds are lying like hell. You'll be lucky to get 130 whp out of that setup. D series motors that make more than 150 whp cost about as much as a cheap k swap.thats a false statement

[allmotorX]

if you want a budget build 150whp d series...they dont exist, i have done it. here is what it took.

honda cbr 954rr itb setup with porsche trumpets (complete custom)
je 11:5:1 ceramic coated pistons 78mm
custom stainless header
one serious p&p (Z6 head)
ferrera oversize valves+springs+retainers all titanium
hondata s300
crower pro billet rods
arp rod bolts and head studs
cometic head gasket (alot thinner then stock)
acl race/main/journal bearings


was not worth itprolly because you didnt have a cam in that bitch

[driftingkid]

Dont build it. I put close to a grand into the head of my n/a y8.
Big mistake, huge waste of time and money.

Live and learn.lol

haha good shit man,was still kinda quick.

[hondaxpurt]

Well...time to put my two cents in...I had a built d16z6 and achieved 146 whp, so I know 150 is attainable. Just not cheap. I'm building another d series n/a now. Gonna try to get 160whp who knows. Here was setup on the old d:

D16z6
PnP head
62 mm throttle body
Stock Intake manifold port matched to head and tb
Hondata intake gasket
crower stage 2 cam
Ferrea valves/retainers
D16a1 pistons on stock rods
Y8 head gasket
Aem cai
Dc header
Magnaflow 2.25" exhaust
Cat delete
270 cc rc's
FPR
Holley fuel rail
Walbro 255 lph fuel pump
UR adjustable cam gear
Apexi vafc
"Spoon" chipped p28

In a 95 coupe with full interior,stock clutch and street tires spinning, ran a 14.67@95mph

[allmotorX]

Well...time to put my two cents in...I had a built d16z6 and achieved 146 whp, so I know 150 is attainable. Just not cheap. I'm building another d series n/a now. Gonna try to get 160whp who knows. Here was setup on the old d:

D16z6
PnP head
62 mm throttle body
Stock Intake manifold port matched to head and tb
Hondata intake gasket
crower stage 2 cam
Ferrea valves/retainers
D16a1 pistons on stock rods
Y8 head gasket
Aem cai
Dc header
Magnaflow 2.25" exhaust
Cat delete
270 cc rc's
FPR
Holley fuel rail
Walbro 255 lph fuel pump
UR adjustable cam gear
Apexi vafc
"Spoon" chipped p28

In a 95 coupe with full interior,stock clutch and street tires spinning, ran a 14.67@95mph let me know how it goes and what you make whp wise

[JEY$JDM]

my buddy has z6 in 89 hatch with cam & every bolt-on and sum skunk2 head stuff...
his car is at 1900lbs n sum change gutted.... i kept up with him in meh gutted ej2 d15 with
intake, header/test pipe, and hks hi power cat back... id boost the d or go 1st gen b16

[allmotorX]

my buddy has z6 in 89 hatch with cam & every bolt-on and sum skunk2 head stuff...
his car is at 1900lbs n sum change gutted.... i kept up with him in meh gutted ej2 d15 with
intake, header/test pipe, and hks hi power cat back... id boost the d or go 1st gen b16well everybody has their own opinion its up to the op what he wants to do

[JEY$JDM]

hmm.. not really an opinion.. fact. but i knw, do what ya want man! as long as you r happy with ya work..whateva that may be!!!:goodjob:

[NOCLUE]

hows the build comein along

[allmotorX]

hows the build comein alonghe never started on it

[jerseyef9]

i will be happy wit trust me thanks guys for everything
it in progress as we speak thanks everyone agian

[allmotorX]

i will be happy wit trust me thanks guys for everything
it in progress as we speak thanks everyone agian:ninja: :ninja:

[ueyedgr8tness]

Man i would just boost that d series not to mention it will still drive like stock.u spend 2-4k on making it all motor when u can just spend 2k and put down 230whp if not more on stock internals:)

[allmotorX]

Man i would just boost that d series not to mention it will still drive like stock.u spend 2-4k on making it all motor when u can just spend 2k and put down 230whp if not more on stock internals:)more fun spanking people n/a wit a single cam

[HatchHero]

well you start off with this.. i was doing some research and if you use pm7(jdm ZC) pistons in that block and the z6 head with I,H,E 68mm throttle body, skunk 2 intake mani and adjustable cam gear that d series will make more power then a lightly modded b16. start with that and work your way up! d series blocks are dime a dozen.


with this setup you will yeild around 150whp and 111wtq for under 1k

[allmotorX]

well you start off with this.. i was doing some research and if you use pm7(jdm ZC) pistons in that block and the z6 head with I,H,E 68mm throttle body, skunk 2 intake mani and adjustable cam gears that d series will make more power then a lightly modded b16. start with that and work your way up! d series blocks are dime a dozen.


with this setup you will yeild around 150whp and 111wtq for under 1kWhy would you use a 68mm throttle body that is way overkill for an n/a sohc unless you dont want any bottom end torque what so ever stock is plenty enough for n/a

[HatchHero]

Why would you use a 68mm throttle body that is way overkill for an n/a sohc unless you dont want any bottom end torque what so ever stock is plenty enough for n/a

u wont hit 150 whp without it and sure not gonna hit it with a stock one, hondas were built for revvin high. plus its in a ef hatch right? which weights nothing. it will move pretty good! i mean this guy is talking about a single stick bro

[allmotorX]

u wont hit 150 whp without it and sure not gonna hit it with a stock one, hondas were built for revvin high. plus its in a ef hatch right? which weights nothing. it will move pretty good! i mean this guy is talking about a single stick broWanna make a bet on that there are planty of people on d-series.org making 150 plus with just a bseries 60mm throttle body so there is no need for a 68mm hrottle body on a sohc engine

[HatchHero]

yeah and they probably have more mods done on those engines then what i listed!! i listed a cheap build for under 1k nothing more or nothing less!

[southside]

he never started on it:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: whats the hold up I got the single cam in my white hatch.Would love to something up with this guy see if he drives and good as he types.

[jerseyef9]

i be glad too dumb bitch

[southside]

LMAO ^^^

[ueyedgr8tness]

man my wife got her single built the other day were trying to break in now but so far i love it on 5lbs for a women she should be really happy with it when she can crank it up later:)

[allmotorX]

Lol you guys a silly

[SC3]

well i got a question then what can you get out of a d15b2 n/a with maybe 2500 cash for parts and labor with knowing machine shops to do labor and what exactly is the history on that motor would it be a good realiable build as a peppy built daily driver ??

[southside]

well i got a question then what can you get out of a d15b2 n/a with maybe 2500 cash for parts and labor with knowing machine shops to do labor and what exactly is the history on that motor would it be a good realiable build as a peppy built daily driver ??Depending on what shop and parts.But alot of people say for the power you will make might as well put that amount of cash into a b series.But if you wanna be different whatever floats your boat.I would use Suzuki pistons:goodjob: friend is going to use those pistons.They are cheap and have a big dome.

[DustnU]

Good luck Casey!!!! I will be building a b7 block with a milled z6 head, sk2 valves, springs and retainers, crower stg 2 cam, zc pistons, sk2 int mani, 68mm t/b, G-SR injectors, 2 layer head gasket, hondata and I,H,E. We'll see what I can do puttin it in a fully gutted 95 cx if all goes well LOL. When we're done we'll run aight!!!!!

[DustnU]

oh yeah. my brother had a 93 cx fully gutted had a d16y8 with I,H,E and a chipped ecu ran low 14's all day. 13's will be easy with your build bro.

[98blackcivic]

lol good luck getting past 150whp

[98blackcivic]

Good luck Casey!!!! I will be building a b7 block with a milled z6 head, sk2 valves, springs and retainers, crower stg 2 cam, zc pistons, sk2 int mani, 68mm t/b, G-SR injectors, 2 layer head gasket, hondata and I,H,E. We'll see what I can do puttin it in a fully gutted 95 cx if all goes well LOL. When we're done we'll run aight!!!!!


damn nice
if youre doing that much, get that head ported and polished
also make sure you do other upgrades like msd ignition, fuel rail maybe bigger injectors..?
just upgrade stuff like that

[dorin48]

Craziest high hp hardware for a d series while keeping in a budget is:

Z6 head (straight ports vs. Y8's offset)
01+ Civic GX pistons
LS rods
ITBs (if really going cheapo then the Y8 manifold flows the best of a d's)
Bisimoto cam & valvetrain
and the other common stuffs: h/e bla bla

Minus the itbs it should still break 150 tuned

There is a guy in Washington state that has a old d15b2 with weber carbs, bisi valvetrain and cam, bisi header, and exhaust. Dyno'd 152 to the wheels on the original 150K mile bottom end.

[pinedo88]

z6 head wit some p29 pistons.

[allmotorX]

Good luck Casey!!!! I will be building a b7 block with a milled z6 head, sk2 valves, springs and retainers, crower stg 2 cam, zc pistons, sk2 int mani, 68mm t/b, G-SR injectors, 2 layer head gasket, hondata and I,H,E. We'll see what I can do puttin it in a fully gutted 95 cx if all goes well LOL. When we're done we'll run aight!!!!!
I wanna run you when you get done if thats cool, and that 68mm tb will be overkill!!! But do as you please

[DustnU]

Ok. What do you have? And I have been thinking about that 68mm t/b. I will prolly go with a 62 instead. Parts are slowly coming so it might be a while.

[Starrfire]

Oh, and gsr injectors are the same as your b7 injectors

[allmotorX]

Ok. What do you have? And I have been thinking about that 68mm t/b. I will prolly go with a 62 instead. Parts are slowly coming so it might be a while.
I have slightly modded z6. If i were you i wouldn't go higher than a 60mm tb that way you wont loose much bottem end

[DustnU]

Oh, and gsr injectors are the same as your b7 injectors


Thanks! Didn't know that. And we'll see about the t/b may just leave it stock to save some ca$h!!!! If anyone else has any pointers for me they are greatly appreciated, this is my 1st build EVER!!!!!!!

[KDM>JDM]

I have slightly modded z6. If i were you i wouldn't go higher than a 60mm tb that way you wont loose much bottem end

Did you ever go pick your car up?

[allmotorX]

Did you ever go pick your car up?
No not yet

[southside]

No not yetDAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN whats taking these JJspec people so long.Doesnt seem like they take their customers serious.

[allmotorX]

DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN whats taking these JJspec people so long.Doesnt seem like they take their customers serious.
lol that aint the problem

[KDM>JDM]

cars been done

[JJSPEC Racing]

DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN whats taking these JJspec people so long.Doesnt seem like they take their customers serious.

We do take our customers serious. That car is going to be serious when it is tuned! Nice project allmotorX has going on!

[CaTcH22]

DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN whats taking these JJspec people so long.Doesnt seem like they take their customers serious.
Yeah man, dont jump to conclusions and go shop bashing if you dont know the whole story. :goodjob:

[Evil Goat]

True, the car was completed over 2 weeks ago....We can't wait to see what kinda #'s this thing puts down!

[DustnU]

slightly modded z6 huh???????? RIGHT!!! I guess we'll see when I'm done hope you put down good #'s though!!!

[DustnU]

what do yall think about a vx block and z6 head combo???????? WORTH IT OR NOT??? I have a b7,z6 and a z1 block and b7, two z6 and two y8 heads as well.