So maybe i was E-taught wrong but...

[Sammich]

i thought caster was this \/ and camber was this /\...

but i went to this tire place the other day to get a quote on getting my truck fixed. i thought i had caster but evidently from what the guy told me camber is bothe /\ and \/...so who is right in this aspect.

and two otehr things, if anyone knows where i can locate a 'camber kit' for my 88 toyota pickup please let me know.

also i need some spacers for the rear because the 9" tire/wheel is rubbing on my frame...its cool if this truck wasnt a daily, but i daily this truck.

thanks in advance:goodjob:

[mocha latte cupcake]

i'm tempted to delete this thread samwell... get on aim.

[Sammich]

I SMELL THE HATE UP IN HERE LOL..IF THE FIRST QUESTION PISSES A PERSON OFF...HELP ME W/ THE OTHER TWO :D

[mocha latte cupcake]

chuddup! i already splained it to you smokey the burr!

[Sammich]

LUK HERE...IM BOUT TO STEAL SOME GOODIES U BEEN HIDIN IF U DONT GIVE ME INFO ON SPACERS AND A CAMBER KIT, EL KANGAROO JACK

[mocha latte cupcake]

:lmfao: just like a sammich to tryin to get in my pouch! NO MEANS NO!

[Bruce Leroy]

http://scott92282.tripod.com/pics/Info/camber_caster_toe.jpg

[TypeRPersonality]

http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/align.html

[LIKEG6]

Camber is V and /\

Caster is when you are looking at the side of your car. The wheel is pushed more forward or backwards

[green91]

Not true. Camber is the inward or outward tilt of the wheel. Caster is the angle of the shock compared to a vertical axis.

[tdurr]

Not true. Camber is the inward or outward tilt of the wheel. Caster is the angle of the shock compared to a vertical axis.

Winner!

[TypeRPersonality]

Not true. Camber is the inward or outward tilt of the wheel. Caster is the angle of the shock compared to a vertical axis.

Not that it's not true, it's just not clear. His description of camber is as if you were looking from the rear or front of the vehicle, hence / \. And if your caster is off, it could very well push the wheel forward or backwards.

Also, on some cars, the strut is mounted on the LCA, so it would be the angle of the knuckle.

[southside]

In the nicest way possible
:google:

[speedminded]

i thought caster was this \/ and camber was this /\...

but i went to this tire place the other day to get a quote on getting my truck fixed. i thought i had caster but evidently from what the guy told me camber is bothe /\ and \/...so who is right in this aspect.

and two otehr things, if anyone knows where i can locate a 'camber kit' for my 88 toyota pickup please let me know.

also i need some spacers for the rear because the 9" tire/wheel is rubbing on my frame...its cool if this truck wasnt a daily, but i daily this truck.

thanks in advance:goodjob:
Not true. Camber is the inward or outward tilt of the wheel. Caster is the angle of the shock compared to a vertical axis.

Not that it's not true, it's just not clear. His description of camber is as if you were looking from the rear or front of the vehicle, hence / \. And if your caster is off, it could very well push the wheel forward or backwards.

Also, on some cars, the strut is mounted on the LCA, so it would be the angle of the knuckle.You're debating with a master Toyota tech, if I remember correctly one of the youngest to ever reach that point.

This /\ and this \/ appears to be depicting negative camber in the 1st and positive camber in the 2nd. If the same symbols were used as if you were looking from a "birds eye view" from the top of the car looking down (or underneath looking up) then the 1st would be toe-in and the second would be toe-out.

Castor has nothing to do with the angle of the tire or wheel, it's the angle of the suspension travel more than anything or how far forward or backward from the center of the wheel well the center of the wheel/hub is. Generally want it centered and with slight adjustments it may promote or reduce camber but only when the steering wheel is turned.

Don't know how the toyota pickup suspension components are but normally washers/shims are an effective substitute for a "camber kit". Could even use them as a spacer in the rear but wouldn't recommend it. There are spacers on eBay EVERYWHERE for cheap but you may need longer studs depending how much spacing is needed.

[green91]

Not that it's not true, it's just not clear. His description of camber is as if you were looking from the rear or front of the vehicle, hence / \. And if your caster is off, it could very well push the wheel forward or backwards.

Also, on some cars, the strut is mounted on the LCA, so it would be the angle of the knuckle.

Technically on a vehicle with a radius/tension rod, yes it can change the position of the wheel forward or backward a slightly amount to adjust the caster. But on a vehicle with a strut and 2 mounting point point LCA, there is no radius rod and the foward/rearward position is fixed. So to say that Caster is the position of the wheel rearward or forward simply isnt a true definition, its just a side effect of one of many suspension styles.

[Sammich]

Not true. Camber is the inward or outward tilt of the wheel. Caster is the angle of the shock compared to a vertical axis.

thats what post #8 and #9 just said..and so did JM...so how is it not true? but thanks for everyones input...


You're debating with a master Toyota tech, if I remember correctly one of the youngest to ever reach that point.

This /\ and this \/ appears to be depicting negative camber in the 1st and positive camber in the 2nd. If the same symbols were used as if you were looking from a "birds eye view" from the top of the car looking down (or underneath looking up) then the 1st would be toe-in and the second would be toe-out.

Castor has nothing to do with the angle of the tire or wheel, it's the angle of the suspension travel more than anything or how far forward or backward from the center of the wheel well the center of the wheel/hub is. Generally want it centered and with slight adjustments it may promote or reduce camber but only when the steering wheel is turned.

Don't know how the toyota pickup suspension components are but normally washers/shims are an effective substitute for a "camber kit". Could even use them as a spacer in the rear but wouldn't recommend it. There are spacers on eBay EVERYWHERE for cheap but you may need longer studs depending how much spacing is needed. thanks man. w/ those symbols i was looking at the vehicle head on, at the grill, i wish i was local to you spee, i would let u look at my truck so that you could adjust it for me.

[speedminded]

Technically on a vehicle with a radius/tension rod, yes it can change the position of the wheel forward or backward a slightly amount to adjust the caster. But on a vehicle with a strut and 2 mounting point point LCA, there is no radius rod and the foward/rearward position is fixed. So to say that Caster is the position of the wheel rearward or forward simply isnt a true definition, its just a side effect of one of many suspension styles.That's why we always put these control arm bushings on the BMW's, especially when swapping later model suspension in older cars... http://www.treehouseracing.com/


thats what post #8 and #9 just said..and so did JM...so how is it not true? but thanks for everyones input...

thanks man. w/ those symbols i was looking at the vehicle head on, at the grill, i wish i was local to you spee, i would let u look at my truck so that you could adjust it for me.Not me lol, green91 is the Toyota guru! I think he is local to you too. If those symbols are looking at an elevation view of the front of the vehicle then they are depicting negative and positive camber, not caster.

I'm so confused, you have the same sig as ej25 don't you?!

[TypeRPersonality]

Technically on a vehicle with a radius/tension rod, yes it can change the position of the wheel forward or backward a slightly amount to adjust the caster. But on a vehicle with a strut and 2 mounting point point LCA, there is no radius rod and the foward/rearward position is fixed. So to say that Caster is the position of the wheel rearward or forward simply isnt a true definition, its just a side effect of one of many suspension styles.

Yes, I understand. I also do alignments. It's not cut and clear. Which is exactly why I provided the link I did.

Also, for your car. I believe the UCA require shims (which you can buy at NAPA) that can alter both camber and caster. I had to align my friend's 90 pickup.

[green91]

I think we are on the same page as far as what caster is. But for him to say that caster is how far the wheel is forward or backward is false.

[DieselNuts]

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j181/diggler24/camber_caster_toe.jpg

oh shit, I'm about 23hrs too late....ah well, fuck it...

[TypeRPersonality]

I think we are on the same page as far as what caster is. But for him to say that caster is how far the wheel is forward or backward is false.

I'll agree to that. Reps for being knowledgeable.

^ Linked visual FTW!