Do you Carry? Post up pics

[white24d]

Post up pics of your pistols.


Heres my S&W sig 40.
Speer gold Dot JHP
Fobus paddle holster
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/govekarj/PICT0020.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/govekarj/PICT0025.jpg

[81911SC]

Why yes I do.
Sig Sauer P250 .40
IWB leather holster can be used for OWB also.
Speer Gold JHP too.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w94/81911/100_0838.jpg
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w94/81911/100_0839.jpg

[white24d]

Nice gun.
I love those Speer rounds. They are pretty devastating.

[81911SC]

Thank you, and yea these are wild. I love them.

[quickdodge®]

Only when I'm online, I do.

Nah, but I do carry a .380. I would like a smaller, more hand sized pistol, though. The one I have is too big and bulky to carry all the time. Later, QD.

[81911SC]

LOL.
Have you looked at J Frames from S&W, QD?

[KPowerEP3]

I'll have to see if I can scavenge some pics off my old PC....

EDC: SW SW40VE loaded with 16 hydrashoks carried in a crossbreed tuckable IWB half kydex half leather holster

Other carry gun : Glock 35, same ammo, same type of holster.

edit: found pics of the SW on my photobucket

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/capmcatastrophy/31208025.jpg <--not the crossbreed holster, that's my cheapo Galco thumb break OWB.

Also, to the OP...have you done the trigger mod on your SW40...you'll love it so much more.

[white24d]

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Also, to the OP...have you done the trigger mod on your SW40...you'll love it so much more.

No I havent, are you talking about shortening the trigger pull?
Who did yours?

[KPowerEP3]

No I havent, are you talking about shortening the trigger pull?
Who did yours?

I did it. Cut a nice 3.5 lbs off of my trigger pull, and was definitely worth the research and few minutes of time I put into it.

[Danny]

I did it. Cut a nice 3.5 lbs off of my trigger pull, and was definitely worth the research and few minutes of time I put into it.


whats the pull now? (i am not familiar with those guns obviously )

[DieselNuts]

Post up pics of your pistols.


Heres my S&W sig 40.
Speer gold Dot JHP
Fobus paddle holster
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/govekarj/PICT0020.jpg
You should get a Hogue slide on grip for that. I got one for mine and it vastly improves the feel of the gun. Helped me out with accuracy too.

[DieselNuts]

SW40VE loaded with 16 hydrashoks
That gun holds 14+1 :goodjob:

whats the pull now? (i am not familiar with those guns obviously )
after the mod, its around 8-9lbs

[n2daizo123]

Springfield xd .45 with golden sabers. Taurus millennium 9mm with the same ammo. got inside the pants holsters for both and the belly wrap holster.
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/47/l_07496fc6511244c69dabc51f3054c6ba.jpg

[white24d]

You should get a Hogue slide on grip for that. I got one for mine and it vastly improves the feel of the gun. Helped me out with accuracy too.

Can you post a link of one, so i can read about them?
I tried looking but not sure which one you are talking about.
And the trigger pull, I like it. It is very long but with no safety on the gun
I dont mind the long trigger pull

[81911SC]

Can you post a link of one, so i can read about them?
I tried looking but not sure which one you are talking about.
And the trigger pull, I like it. It is very long but with no safety on the gun
I dont mind the long trigger pullI'm sure these are what he is referring to. I had one on my Sig but lost it. :( It's such a nice feeling, it will add a little thickness all around but it feels like a sweet ass in your hand. :ninja:
http://www.hoguestore.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=569_2_114

[Danny]

grip condoms.. blehh. :D

[DieselNuts]

I'm sure these are what he is referring to. I had one on my Sig but lost it. :( It's such a nice feeling, it will add a little thickness all around but it feels like a sweet ass in your hand. :ninja:
http://www.hoguestore.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=569_2_114
yep, thats the one. :goodjob:

[white24d]

yep, thats the one. :goodjob:

I am interested in one of these. How's the install? easy
It looks like only one of those has a model pic. I might get with their cust service, to make sure I order the right one.

[DieselNuts]

I am interested in one of these. How's the install? easy
It looks like only one of those has a model pic. I might get with their cust service, to make sure I order the right one.
that wouldn't hurt. I bought the one that was compatible with the Glock 22. I got a small glass (12oz or so) of water and put it in the microwave for about a min to get it really fucking hot and let the grip sit in the water for a few min. When you take it out, the heat will have made it nice and stretchy. Just slide it on the grip and work it a little. The fit will still be tight so it will take about 5min of working it over but its really easy. I just watched some TV while I was doing it.

[BanginJimmy]

I'll post some pics when I get back to GA but I carry a Glock 23 .40. I have a Blackhawk CBQ paddle holster until I can afford a better one.

[Jaimecbr900]

Just a few of them:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/jaimecbr900/DPP_02424.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/jaimecbr900/DPP_02423.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/jaimecbr900/DPP_02422.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/jaimecbr900/DPP_02421.jpg


And if you ever THINK about coming by un-announced......THINK about this:;)

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/jaimecbr900/DPP_02419.jpg




BTW, I took these for insurance purposes not show-off purposes, but I thought I'd share. Also, there are some gay throw away guns in there, but they hold sentimental value so I've kept them. I have lots more, but these are all I'm going to show for now. ;)

[Danny]

VERY nice.

oh did u ever get a price list from ga arms? I am going saturday (i hope if they have 45auto in stock).

[Jaimecbr900]

VERY nice.

oh did u ever get a price list from ga arms? I am going saturday (i hope if they have 45auto in stock).

I talked to them at the show over the weekend. They were OUT of a LOT of calibers. People were buying them like wildfire. I picked up some 9mm stuff for Patrycja and got me some range ammo for several calibers. I even picked me up a big ammo can just to carry the crap out of the show in....$8....:goodjob: They are TOTALLY out of .223 stuff. :(

They did have lots of .45 ball ammo, but that was all they had by the time I saw them on Sunday. I'm sure they'll have something by the time you go. I'd go early on the first day though. Everybody is going nuts buying ammo. Thank Obama for that.....:rolleyes: :D

[Danny]

i wont be going to a show. There isnt one in atlanta that i know of this weekend, right? Me and a buddy are headed out to thier shop saturday morning. Going to try and grab a 1500-2500 ball 45auto and if they have any 556 I will grab some of that.. of course :D

[Jaimecbr900]

i wont be going to a show. There isnt one in atlanta that i know of this weekend, right? Me and a buddy are headed out to thier shop saturday morning. Going to try and grab a 1500-2500 ball 45auto and if they have any 556 I will grab some of that.. of course :D

I think there is a show down at the Farmer's market, but not 100% on that.

They're in Mcdonough, right? :thinking:

[Danny]

they are out in carrolton i believe (somewhere out that way towards Alabama).

im gettin sick of these price hikes in ammo.. arghhh...

[Jaimecbr900]

they are out in carrolton i believe (somewhere out that way towards Alabama).

im gettin sick of these price hikes in ammo.. arghhh...

You should've heard everybody at the show. If Obama would've shown up, it would've been a RIOT. No lie. Pricing has spiked up something crazy. Even used guns are back to where new guns used to be. Ammo is where it's really getting nutty. Everybody is scooping up as much as they can and are driving the prices sky high.

I remember when I could pick up HOT Corbon +P+ loads for less than $20. Now, it's twice that if you're lucky. Even some reloads are pushing past $20 per 50. I saw online a guy selling Black Talons for $50/box, and you know that's only 20 rounds per box. It's ridiculous. But hey, people pay it, so it is what it is.

[BanginJimmy]

they are out in carrolton i believe (somewhere out that way towards Alabama).

im gettin sick of these price hikes in ammo.. arghhh...

I-20 west to exit 24
right off the exit on hwy 61.
go straight through the light at hwy 78 and GA Ammo is on the right immediately after thefirst right after the RR tracks.

I actually just picked up a new price guide from them and their prices have gone up big time also.

[Alan®]

Damn it I can't wait till I turn 21. I'm either pickin up a Sig 226 or 220.

[NAMNORI]

hi point .45 is my weapon of cnoice when out and about. 12 gauge with slugs for home defense, the wife is an excellent shot with the 12, i wouldnt want to be on her bad side with it in her hands, nothing like a momma hen defending her young!

[Danny]

I-20 west to exit 24
right off the exit on hwy 61.
go straight through the light at hwy 78 and GA Ammo is on the right immediately after thefirst right after the RR tracks.

I actually just picked up a new price guide from them and their prices have gone up big time also.


Thanks! if u have that price quide handy mind telling me what thier 230grain ball .45acp canned heat price is now?

[Jaimecbr900]

hi point .45 is my weapon of cnoice when out and about. 12 gauge with slugs for home defense, the wife is an excellent shot with the 12, i wouldnt want to be on her bad side with it in her hands, nothing like a momma hen defending her young!

I hate being negative, but why would you use slugs for "home defense"? Do you have kids?

[Frög]

JaimeCBR900 dude im going to your house if there is a zombie outbreak.. Ill bring my AK with my 2,500rds..

[Jaimecbr900]

JaimeCBR900 dude im going to your house if there is a zombie outbreak.. Ill bring my AK with my 2,500rds..

Funny, but for some reason A LOT of people say that.....:thinking: :D

[.::UNKNOWN::.]

here is mine a s&w tactical 40
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s129/93lude_photo/DSC_0017.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s129/93lude_photo/DSC_0018.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s129/93lude_photo/DSC_0020.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s129/93lude_photo/DSC_0021.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s129/93lude_photo/DSC_0022.jpg

[SKarpenz]

Among many other carry weapons this is the one thats on me 70% of the time.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v617/skarpenz/Civics/?action=view&current=DSCF0076.jpg

Kimber Stainless II .45ACP. Loaded with hardball. Yes I carry it concealed so all of you with small guns cannot bitch about having a bulky weapon. ;)




BTW I thought I was the only one who took pics of my guns for insurance reasons as I have quite a few weapons. Its a good idea for anyone, not to mention keeping a list of the serials just in case.

[SKarpenz]

Sorry for the dbl post, but I suck at posting the right link apparently:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/skarpenz/Civics/DSCF0076.jpg

[Danny]

Jamie... who makes that 1911 commander that you have? Wanna sell :D

[JayL]

the farmer's market is having a show this weekend, its in forest park.

i carry a kel-tec 9mm for conceal ability, it goes EVERYWHERE with me. its known as the smallest lightest 9 on the market as of right now, that is really the only reason i bought this verses a compact glock .40 .

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u32/jaynbq/DSCN0454.jpg

[BIG WORM]

http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc324/forsale84/002-17.jpg

[FasTech]

Wow, if only 93_DA had all the pictures of his guns. LOLOL



No picture, but I have a .38

[Jaimecbr900]

Jamie... who makes that 1911 commander that you have? Wanna sell :D

It's a Colt Combat Commander, Series 70. I polished the ramp, changed the grips (although I still have the wood ones), added both extended safety and extended slide release. Nothing too fancy, but it shoots well.

For sale????......:lmfao: :ninja: You know better. That's one of those that has sentimental value. Can't part with that one. It's heavy, it's blue, and it was made a long time ago.....I think Ima keep that one for a little bit. :D ;)

I just picked me up another little toy.....Glock 26. :yes:

I was also supposed to pick up a Sig 2340 Blueline, but the guy didn't meet up with me before I left to go out of town (I'm in Dallas, TX right now). Hopefully he still has it when I get back and I'll pick that up too.

[Danny]

It's a Colt Combat Commander, Series 70. I polished the ramp, changed the grips (although I still have the wood ones), added both extended safety and extended slide release. Nothing too fancy, but it shoots well.

For sale????......:lmfao: :ninja: You know better. That's one of those that has sentimental value. Can't part with that one. It's heavy, it's blue, and it was made a long time ago.....I think Ima keep that one for a little bit. :D ;)

I just picked me up another little toy.....Glock 26. :yes:

I was also supposed to pick up a Sig 2340 Blueline, but the guy didn't meet up with me before I left to go out of town (I'm in Dallas, TX right now). Hopefully he still has it when I get back and I'll pick that up too.

veryyy nice.
original series 70s are awesome to have. i wanna build a bobtail commander soon i think :D

and yes, hold onto that baby for alonggg time.

[Jaimecbr900]

veryyy nice.
original series 70s are awesome to have. i wanna build a bobtail commander soon i think :D

and yes, hold onto that baby for alonggg time.

I thought about really "racing" mine a long time ago. I used it mainly as a pin gun on big bore nights, that's one of the reasons I polished the ramp and changed the grips. Then I got to thinking that the Series 70 is attractive enough w/o buggering it all up, so I left it alone after that. Like I said, it shoots good and is comfortable to shoot. I have others that I can "race" with, so I'm leaving this one for my son to modify if he wants. :D ;)

[Danny]

I would keep it stock. Buy a series 70 reproduction if you want to build a custom gun. The repros are better made, and your not killing a guns heritage when you customize it :)

[Truegiant]

Wow so much tupperware in here. Let me spice it up!

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/truegiant/Guns/DSCF3440.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/truegiant/Guns/6fb26207c0f5e2790d2eeb83cea3345d.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/truegiant/Guns/DSCF3261.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/truegiant/Guns/pix2505728906.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/truegiant/Guns/pix2953029500.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/truegiant/Guns/DSCN0812.jpg

I have more but there on my other comp. I will pull out the collection one day and snap some pics. right now i have to many ar's in the safe to do anything with. i really need to get them all finished up for sale!

[preferredduck]

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s96/preferredduck/Picture005-3.jpg

freshly bought today!!! thank god someone backed out and did not show b/c i got exactly what i wanted!!!! glock 23 .40

[SPOOLIN]

This is what I tote around with me. Holster is due any day now, fucking usps.

Taurus 24/7 pro .40 cal 15+1
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c203/spoolinmatt/MISC/P1030115.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c203/spoolinmatt/MISC/P1030118.jpg

[SKarpenz]

Have you actually carried the 24/7 yet? How do you like it as far as shooting? I've heard some terrible shit about the triggers, here and elsewhere. I've considered purchasing one but have always just decided against it at the last minute.


Here is a shot of my small carry weapon; Sig 228. I just picked up a IWB holster for it and I hate it so far, anyone got any tips for carrying IWB?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/skarpenz/Civics/DSCF2157.jpg

[LongLiveH2b]

oh shit nice 2tone , mine is all black :(


This is what I tote around with me. Holster is due any day now, fucking usps.

Taurus 24/7 pro .40 cal 15+1
http://www.davesguns.com/serverpics/FirearmsPage/Taurus-24-7-40.jpg

[preferredduck]

Have you actually carried the 24/7 yet? How do you like it as far as shooting? I've heard some terrible shit about the triggers, here and elsewhere. I've considered purchasing one but have always just decided against it at the last minute.


Here is a shot of my small carry weapon; Sig 228. I just picked up a IWB holster for it and I hate it so far, anyone got any tips for carrying IWB?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/skarpenz/Civics/DSCF2157.jpg

a friend of mine had a 24/7 40 cal and loved it, but he traded towards something a little better, but he had no complaints, i talked to him before i got the glock.

[SPOOLIN]

Have you actually carried the 24/7 yet? How do you like it as far as shooting? I've heard some terrible shit about the triggers, here and elsewhere. I've considered purchasing one but have always just decided against it at the last minute.


Here is a shot of my small carry weapon; Sig 228. I just picked up a IWB holster for it and I hate it so far, anyone got any tips for carrying IWB?


I love shooting it, it shoots great, i had a hard time hitting my target with the glock 23 i was shooting, but this one i hit it a lot more. The trigger is different feeling from say a glock but i think its mainly because the 24/7 is single action all of the time except if a bullet jams, it switches over to double action. Lifetime warranty that is trasferable.

[Danny]

Have you actually carried the 24/7 yet? How do you like it as far as shooting? I've heard some terrible shit about the triggers, here and elsewhere. I've considered purchasing one but have always just decided against it at the last minute.


Here is a shot of my small carry weapon; Sig 228. I just picked up a IWB holster for it and I hate it so far, anyone got any tips for carrying IWB?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/skarpenz/Civics/DSCF2157.jpg


its all about grip length and slide/frame thickness. Minimize both and ur good. Slide length is easier to conceal. also, get an adjustable holster so u can put the gun right where it fits ur body the best.

[dvlerin41]

Damn I can't wait to be 21, I wanna be able to buy a handgun and get my carrying permit. This just makes it worse! But nice guns to everybody! I love the 1911's

[preferredduck]

Have you actually carried the 24/7 yet? How do you like it as far as shooting? I've heard some terrible shit about the triggers, here and elsewhere. I've considered purchasing one but have always just decided against it at the last minute.


Here is a shot of my small carry weapon; Sig 228. I just picked up a IWB holster for it and I hate it so far, anyone got any tips for carrying IWB?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/skarpenz/Civics/DSCF2157.jpg

i looked at one of these used and i really liked it, i want to rent one and an XD sometime real soon.

[1000cckiller]

Always ready to go.

[SKarpenz]

i looked at one of these used and i really liked it, i want to rent one and an XD sometime real soon.

I own an XD as well in .40 and I love it.

I don't think the slide on my P228 is too wide, but I could be mistaken. I have acquaintances that carry Glocks IWB w/ no problem. Maybe it is my holster...

[Random Hero]

http://www.knifehaggler.com/survivalcheap/SmithWessonBullseye.jpg

Oh shizzle! I read the post wrong - DON'T SHOOT!

[green91]

Id really like to shoot a SA XD.

[Danny]

http://www.knifehaggler.com/survivalcheap/SmithWessonBullseye.jpg

Oh shizzle! I read the post wrong - DON'T SHOOT!


thats a shitty knife. but ya, wrong thread lol :D

[VTECking]

What I will carry as soon as I turn 21, Rock Island 1911-A1 "GI-Model".

[preferredduck]

I own an XD as well in .40 and I love it.

I don't think the slide on my P228 is too wide, but I could be mistaken. I have acquaintances that carry Glocks IWB w/ no problem. Maybe it is my holster...

i tought really hard about getting the XD, but my dad is retired military so i got my glock for $399 new, im kind of glad it worked out and i was able to get it b/c as soon as my girl pulled in my driveway before i left to get it her water pump crapped out, so everything happens for a reason, even if it doesn't make sense sometimes. im gonna get a rifle or a shotgun next, then look at a more expensive pistol, XD, or the FNP that is bad ass.

[SiRed94]

Always ready to go.

LOL at the hole in his underwear.

[NAMNORI]

I hate being negative, but why would you use slugs for "home defense"? Do you have kids?


narrow hallway and yes two under two

[SiRed94]

I hate being negative, but why would you use slugs for "home defense"? Do you have kids?

Because, I want to see intruders fly back 10 ft. through a piece of glass like in the movies. Of course!!!

[NAMNORI]

Because, I want to see intruders fly back 10 ft. through a piece of glass like in the movies. Of course!!!
sorry just like with my deer during hunting season i like knowing that they are gonna stay down

[SKarpenz]

For home defense I've got my 18" 870 loaded with #4 buck shot. Surefire LED mounted below the barrel ensures they're momentarily blinded right before lights out. My Golani is loaded behind the bed for when the 'zombies' come to get us.

My friends who know me well think I'm crazy for wanting to be armed at home. I guess they will until they wish they were.

[SPOOLIN]

For home defense I've got my 18" 870 loaded with #4 buck shot. Surefire LED mounted below the barrel ensures they're momentarily blinded right before lights out. My Golani is loaded behind the bed for when the 'zombies' come to get us.

My friends who know me well think I'm crazy for wanting to be armed at home. I guess they will until they wish they were.

yep, my wife sleeps with her Glock 27 on the night stand and i have my Taurus pro 24/7 on my night stand.

I feel for the intruder that comes into our home at night!.

[tnomud]

wife and I have GFL's and a ton of guns

-S&W 9mm, SA XD9, Taurus Milenium Pro 45, KelTec p9, Interco Tech 9, KelTec Sub2000 9mm, Mossberg 500 Tactical w/pistol Grip and door breach, Marlin 22 magnum SA, Custom AR15, and a Ruger .22 SA

[koukis14]

http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww174/matthewd1983/glock26.jpg?t=1238312163

http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww174/matthewd1983/p30l.jpg?t=1238312203

Glock 26 OD and H and K P30. I also have a Walther P22 but don't have any pics, nor do I carry it.

[therealgoon9]

G23 everyday. No holster (I've tried several. The clip seems to work just fine, I can put it anywhere on my right hip. Debating on carrying a knife... But lack knife fighting skills.
Benelli supernova tactical at home with 9 ball 12 gauge.

http://media6.dropshots.com/photos/182639/20090329/023106.jpg

[SiRed94]

http://www.lonestarairsoft.com/forums/photopost/data/2/926MinigunTwo.JPG

I carry this daily, but it's a bit bulky hanging from my back when I'm on my bike around town.

[SPOOLIN]

http://www.lonestarairsoft.com/forums/photopost/data/2/926MinigunTwo.JPG

I carry this daily, but it's a bit bulky hanging from my back when I'm on my bike around town.

nice chain saw.

[preferredduck]

http://www.lonestarairsoft.com/forums/photopost/data/2/926MinigunTwo.JPG

I carry this daily, but it's a bit bulky hanging from my back when I'm on my bike around town.

uhh i need some land cleared, wanna come over. lol

[Truegiant]

uhh i need some land cleared, wanna come over. lol

You could rent a bulldozer for a day cheaper than the amount of ammo it would take to actually clear land with that thing. During our last FTX we had at work we worked along side the 160th SOAR. Those guys had the 30mm chain guns on the front of there birds. It was amazing to fly along side them in the blackhawks while we watched them clear a small LZ and then air assaulting out onto the ground. Its an amazing sound and view.

[Julio]

I sold all my shit...

All I have left is my dear Glock17 -

[preferredduck]

You could rent a bulldozer for a day cheaper than the amount of ammo it would take to actually clear land with that thing. During our last FTX we had at work we worked along side the 160th SOAR. Those guys had the 30mm chain guns on the front of there birds. It was amazing to fly along side them in the blackhawks while we watched them clear a small LZ and then air assaulting out onto the ground. Its an amazing sound and view.

i know but damn it would be fun to see!!!! :yes:

[Jaimecbr900]

narrow hallway and yes two under two


sorry just like with my deer during hunting season i like knowing that they are gonna stay down




Well, this may be the wrong thread for this, but I'm going to say it anyway:

You may want to do 2 things; Practice with your shotgun more and put something other than slugs into it for home defense.

Slugs will penetrate interior walls like a hot knife thru butter. If you have little ones, collateral damage is NOT an option IMO. There is absolutely no need for anything more than bird shot or a mild buckshot for home defense. Anything else and there is a big possibility that you will hurt an innocent person. If you've ever seen the pattern of even the lightest bird shot @ 20 ft, it is about the size of a large pizza coming from even an 18 in defender barrel. Even if you live in a box, your hallway is wider than 2 ft, and even if it wasn't the bird shot is not going to over penetrate and hit your sleeping child two rooms over. The power level of even bird shot @ 20 ft is greater than most and certainly plenty to stop 99% of intruders dead where they stand if you hit anything vital. If you want to risk your children's life to "make sure they stay down with big buck slugs"......then go for it. It's just not smart science IMO.

:2cents:

[Danny]

Slugs will penetrate interior walls like a hot knife thru butter. If you have little ones, collateral damage is NOT an option IMO.
True


There is absolutely no need for anything more than bird shot or a mild buckshot for home defense. Anything else and there is a big possibility that you will hurt an innocent person. If you've ever seen the pattern of even the lightest bird shot @ 20 ft, it is about the size of a large pizza coming from even an 18 in defender barrel.

Bird shot is exactly that: designed to stop small birds, NOT humans.


Even if you live in a box, your hallway is wider than 2 ft, and even if it wasn't the bird shot is not going to over penetrate and hit your sleeping child two rooms over. The power level of even bird shot @ 20 ft is greater than most and certainly plenty to stop 99% of intruders dead where they stand if you hit anything vital.
Birdshot is not effective and lacks the power to penetrate to vital organs. This why birdshot only travels through approximately 1 wall instead of 4-6 like a slug will. yes u can kill people with birdshot, but as far as a defense load goes: birdshot isnt one. Buckshot #4 and smaller are NOT defense loads, they are simply too small and lack the power to reliably and predictably penetrate to vital organs on a human.



If you want to risk your children's life to "make sure they stay down with big buck slugs"......then go for it. It's just not smart science IMO.

Absolutely. Slugs are not ideal for defense loads. They are normally used as special application loads/ long range engagement loads.

It should be noted that your average handgun will penetrate more walls than a shotgun will. As always dont pull the trigger unless your sights are on target, this will help alleviate most over penetration issues. But of course, thats easier said than done :D

:2cents:[/QUOTE]

[koukis14]

Buy a Judge. Put them down with bird shot, finish them with 45 long colt.

[SiRed94]

It really does not matter what the fuck you shoot an intruder with. If you hit them it is going to hurt and they are going to stop whatever they are doing. And if they don't, then shoot them again. If you don't want to hit your kids, shoot downwards, at their legs and when they hit the ground, put one in their head.

[Danny]

It really does not matter what the fuck you shoot an intruder with. If you hit them it is going to hurt and they are going to stop whatever they are doing. And if they don't, then shoot them again. If you don't want to hit your kids, shoot downwards, at their legs and when they hit the ground, put one in their head.

Your so wrong. The idea is to minimize the "and if they dont" part of your statement, birdshot and really small buck maximizes this.

Shooting them in thier legs, then once in the head is going to look like execution. Your advice sucks, i would have to be tried by 12 after doing that.

[SiRed94]

Your so wrong. The idea is to minimize the "and if they dont" part of your statement, birdshot and really small buck maximizes this.

Shooting them in thier legs, then once in the head is going to look like execution. Your advice sucks, i would have to be tried by 12 after doing that.

Actually your advice is as gay as Rick Astley and *you're* so wrong. If you hit anyone with birdshot within the close quarters of a home it will penetrate vital organs and they will be out of commission. And it doesn't matter what the fuck it looks like. Before the cops come, there should be only one side to the story. "After he was on the ground he was reaching for his gun." But, honestly if you can't think about where the bullet is going to go once it exits someone's body, you don't need to own a gun, unless they are just specifically located between you and other occupants of the house. It was merely a suggestion. I'm hitting heads if my house is invaded regardless.

[Danny]

Actually your advice is as gay as Rick Astley and *you're* so wrong. If you hit anyone with birdshot within the close quarters of a home it will penetrate vital organs and they will be out of commission.
Completely FALSE. This has been proven over and over. Once again, read the package it say BIRDshot for one reason : birds.



And it doesn't matter what the fuck it looks like. Before the cops come, there should be only one side to the story. "After he was on the ground he was reaching for his gun."

Not saying you wont get away with it. From a tactics standpoint it isnt sound. It does matter what it looks like, especially when your on the stand.

[Truegiant]

Completely FALSE. This has been proven over and over. Once again, read the package it say BIRDshot for one reason : birds.



Not saying you wont get away with it. From a tactics standpoint it isnt sound. It does matter what it looks like, especially when your on the stand.

Danny is correct. 100's of well known magazines and firearm instructors have tested the birdshot theory. Birdshot will not penetrate the appropriate amount needed. You appropriate and mine may be two different things however.

And Danny is correct again on the tactics standpoint of killing an intruder. You cannot just go blatantly killing intruders and blasting multiple holes in them. Once on the stand they are going to ask that you explain each and every shot that is fired. A response like "I had to finish him off" and I am "blasting heads" is going to end you up in jail.

I am going to search for the most recent article I read online where they did extensive testing and I will post a link to it.

[Seun]

g19, sold the laser.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/atowndc5/tool/1178.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/atowndc5/tool/1175.jpg

[Danny]

I am going to search for the most recent article I read online where they did extensive testing and I will post a link to it.

Here is some good intel on the birdshot. Again, we are notsaying you cannot kill with birdshot. But there are industry standards for a round/load to be considered able to reliably (within reason of course) stop a BG.

Box o Truth has a few articles on birdshot and other shoots and penetration. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3_2.htm

Great link. Goes through each load and explains. http://www.shadonet.com/2008/01/choosing-between-birdshot-buckshot-or-slugs-for-shotgun-home-defense/


Here is a 7 1/2 shot load fired at gelatin from 10ft (small room). Notice only 5.5inches of penetration. FARRRR from the required 12 and suggested 18 inches of penetration by the FBI.
http://www.brassfetcher.com/Shotguns/Bird%201%20Side%20View.JPG

[Danny]

00 Buck
http://www.pathguy.com/lectures/shotgun_wound_to_abdomen.jpg

Birdshot?, screw, nuts and scrap metal fired from custom made 12ga shell fit into a flare gun. Note the hair shielded the skin from the lighter particles. Very interesting. FBI is unsure if the stippling around the main wound was caused by very small shot/metal particles or somthing else.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/april2004/images/research2_11.jpg

[Truegiant]

00 Buck
http://www.pathguy.com/lectures/shotgun_wound_to_abdomen.jpg

Birdshot?, screw, nuts and scrap metal fired from custom made 12ga shell fit into a flare gun. Note the hair shielded the skin from the lighter particles. Very interesting. FBI is unsure if the stippling around the main wound was caused by very small shot/metal particles or somthing else.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/april2004/images/research2_11.jpg

Talk about taking this thread to the NSFW status for some..

You found the article I was looking for. Great info by a great group of folks. anywho.. another a plus post by danny!

[SiRed94]

Ok, break into my house and let me shoot you with birdshot from 10ft away and when the pellets only go 5.5 inches into your chest, let's see if you want to continue. I am not arguing that birdshot is better by any means. My home-defense Mossberg stays loaded with 00 Buck 24/7. But for someone with kids, or other home-occupants, not a bad idea and is still effective. Everyone's philosophy is different, but I have my plan. And as far as tactics go, it doesn't get more efficient that one shot to the head from a handgun. I really don't think there would be too much to explain there either.

[Danny]

All I am simply saying is that there are much better loads than birdshot. You keep thinking/ASSumining that birdshot is "effective" and will stop an intruder. Thats not the case, there are industry standards for "effective" and birdshot doesnt meet them. Is it better than nothing? Absolutely! DO you have a decent chance of stoping someone in the same room with birdshot, ya probably. But that doesnt mean its a effective round by any means. Oh and you must remember 5.5inch penetration in ballistics gel does not equate to 5.5in penetration in a human chest. Ballistic gell doesn't account for bone, fat, and muscle completely; this is why the FBI recommendation for an effective round is 18in of gel penetration.

You mentioned shooting someone in the legs then once they are down shooting them in the head. This methodology/tactic is what i was referring to a bad. Head shots are a different story and are very effective (usually) and can be clearly defended in court due to the fact that its one of 3 vital zones (legs are not).

[Jaimecbr900]

Look guys, I didn't want to start this debate here. I was merely telling a young man that obviously hasn't thought about his ammo choice very deeply to choose something better.

Birdshot is NOT a good home defense load at all, but it IS far better than a SLUG. THAT was the point I was trying to make. There are far BETTER than both, but if I had kids to worry about as part of collateral damage, then I would much rather have birdshot than a SLUG. SLUGS are horrible home defense ammo choice.

:2cents:

[SL65AMG]

i can understand why you would want 12-18 inches of penetration but last time i looked, unless you're dealing with a fat ass, no one is 12-18 inches thick.....

i think no matter what round you choose the JBT's are going down.... and if not the first time, *click-clack* *BOOM*

[SL65AMG]

Always ready to go.
how do you like the "in the pants/waist" holster?

[NAMNORI]

Well, this may be the wrong thread for this, but I'm going to say it anyway:

You may want to do 2 things; Practice with your shotgun more and put something other than slugs into it for home defense.

Slugs will penetrate interior walls like a hot knife thru butter. If you have little ones, collateral damage is NOT an option IMO. There is absolutely no need for anything more than bird shot or a mild buckshot for home defense. Anything else and there is a big possibility that you will hurt an innocent person. If you've ever seen the pattern of even the lightest bird shot @ 20 ft, it is about the size of a large pizza coming from even an 18 in defender barrel. Even if you live in a box, your hallway is wider than 2 ft, and even if it wasn't the bird shot is not going to over penetrate and hit your sleeping child two rooms over. The power level of even bird shot @ 20 ft is greater than most and certainly plenty to stop 99% of intruders dead where they stand if you hit anything vital. If you want to risk your children's life to "make sure they stay down with big buck slugs"......then go for it. It's just not smart science IMO.

:2cents:

Ok just to make this short i do hit my targets 2 i go to the range more than most 3 my kids have been stratigically placed in the safest room in the house for this possibility. Slug kills no matter what, it doesn't matter if he dies right awat or 30 min later at the hospital to me it's just one more piece of shit iff the streets. @ 100 feet it hit 1-2 inch groupings indoors or outdoors at 20 feet i hit bullseye everytime! I don't care if you wear armor 1 in the head two in the chest either way you are dead!

[Jaimecbr900]

Ok just to make this short i do hit my targets 2 i go to the range more than most 3 my kids have been stratigically placed in the safest room in the house for this possibility. Slug kills no matter what, it doesn't matter if he dies right awat or 30 min later at the hospital to me it's just one more piece of shit iff the streets. @ 100 feet it hit 1-2 inch groupings indoors or outdoors at 20 feet i hit bullseye everytime! I don't care if you wear armor 1 in the head two in the chest either way you are dead!

Dude, I don't know what to say, except that IMO you have no clue what you're talking about. You have the wrong mentality, but hey.....they're your kids and if you want to put them in harms way, it's on you.

I'd love to see how you "strategically" put your kids to be out of harms way from a slug shot in the house. What are you going to do? Tell the bad guy to move over 5 ft because he's in the "wrong" spot for your "strategy"??? Unless you live in a trailer where all the rooms are on one side and the hallway is on the other, you are likely to have something down range if that deer slug misses that has to stop it. You want it to be one of your kids? Cool for you.

If you don't care if the person dies on the spot or 30 mins later, why not just load the shotgun with rock salt and aim for the mouth??? :rolleyes: Again, right distance, wrong aim. :rolleyes:

Whatever man. I'm not going to keep arguing with you. Use what you want. :goodjob:

[NAMNORI]

kids in the rear of the house away from the door and stairs the wife and i in the front of the house near the stairs and front door. needed to know huh. it's not an arguement i'm informing you of your stupidity. if you've ever been hunting you'd know that one of the first lessons is to make sure that you know where everyone who is with you is at before you shoot. i keep the kids away from danger by making anyone who wants to do harm to them pass me first!!!!! If you can make it past me then you're damn quiet and sneaky as shit, but you wouldn't be able to make it up the stairs with out making a sound, i love my old squeaky steps and that's why i won't fix them!

[Jaimecbr900]

kids in the rear of the house away from the door and stairs the wife and i in the front of the house near the stairs and front door. needed to know huh. it's not an arguement i'm informing you of your stupidity. if you've ever been hunting you'd know that one of the first lessons is to make sure that you know where everyone who is with you is at before you shoot. i keep the kids away from danger by making anyone who wants to do harm to them pass me first!!!!! If you can make it past me then you're damn quiet and sneaky as shit, but you wouldn't be able to make it up the stairs with out making a sound, i love my old squeaky steps and that's why i won't fix them!

Listen pal, I'm going to pull rank on you here.

I've BEEN hunting since you were still playing marbles with your buddies by the swings, so don't for a second sit there and talk to me about "hunting". :rolleyes: Obviously, "hunting" has got you in the mindset that you should hunt deer with a 7 mag ALL the time because that's the rifle that kicks more....:rolleyes: It's overkill my friend, it's overkill. Yeah, a 7 mag will put a deer down at 500 yds, but who the fuck shoots at deer at 500 yds in GEORGIA??? So it's a compensation for lack of things in other places. Kinda like a 60 yr old driving that shiny new Corvette.

Much like your brilliant idea that because you want to be billy bad ass and load the heaviest and hottest load into a shotgun, it's just compensation for lack of something else where. What that is, I have no clue. You want to breach a heavy door, cool....slugs it is. You want to shoot an intruder, in the dark, with kids sleeping feet away, slugs are NOT the best choice. YOU can argue with me all you want, but it's a fact. It's like burning down the whole house to kill a mouse. Yeah, you killed him.....AND the WHOLE house too. Great job. :rolleyes:

You want to keep beating on your chest Tarzan??? Here you go, don't take it just from me. See if this doesn't sound familiar:



"The one ounce slug, fired from a 2-3/4-inch Federal, Remington, or Winchester shell, has a one shot stopping success of 98%. A deer barrel with rifle sights is the appropriate platform for this round. It is not the best choice for self defense because aiming becomes the critical factor in effective shot placement. The high probability of scoring hits, an advantage associated with buckshot loads, is lost. Slugs also have ferocious recoil and tend to over penetrate.
Although birdshot is not as lethal as buckshot, even at close range, it may make sense for home or apartment defense where the opportunity exists to injure or kill innocent people behind thin walls in adjacent rooms. For defending a single family home, buffered by land, 00 buck is preferred. The choice for birdshot loads is BB or #4 birdshot. Out to a range of 30 feet or so, birdshot is essentially a solid column of lead pellets. Stopping power may not be sufficient, however, due lack of penetration potential."



Want more proof? Here you go:

"Slugs are potent manstoppers, but have limited application for self-defense. Slugs have ferocious recoil and often over-penetrate. There are special situations where slugs might be preferred over buckshot (e.g. road-blocks, barricaded foes), but if you are interested in such esoterica I again direct you to Ayoob's masterful tome 'Stressfire II: Advanced Combat Shotgun'. This guide is for general civilian readers; policemen, soldiers, and gun enthusiasts should rely on Ayoob's in-depth expertise."

"Two things to keep in mind about birdshot. The first is that birdshot is as lethal as buckshot at close range. Don't believe for a second that you can just wound someone with birdshot and he'll go on to live another day. If you aren't justified in killing a man, you aren't justified in wounding him, either. Never "shoot to wound." I once again direct you to read Ayoob's 'In the Gravest Extreme' and learn the truth.

The second thing is that birdshot makes a lot of sense for home defense. I keep my home-defense 12 gauge loaded with two #4 birdshot rounds followed by 00 buck. Birdshot is much less likely to penetrate thin interior walls and kill innocent people on the other side, and has lower recoil than buckshot for faster follow-up shots (I live in a thin-walled apartment house, however - if I lived in a solid house with a lot of land around, I would definitely choose buckshot instead). The stopping power of birdshot should not be under-estimated: at ranges out to thirty feet or so, birdshot is virtually a solid column of lead. Choose any #4 or BB high brass lead hunting load. I like the Federal "Classic Lead Hi-Brass" #4 birdshot (HI26-4) and Winchester "Super-X" #4 high brass birdshot (X12-4), but there is little difference between the various choices. Buy whichever you please. If you're a bird hunter, use your favorite hunting shells as long as they are #6 or larger."


I highlighted some things that weren't said by me, but Massad Ayoob, one of the foremost authorities in self-defense in the world who happens to run a facility that trains not only civilians but LEO's on self-defense techniques, ammo, and tactics. He's published many books used by LEO's as damn near the bible on ammunition choice for self-defense and man stopping capabilities. He also writes for Guns and Ammo and hosts his own show, ironically enough titled "Personal Defense TV". I Tivo every episode if you wanna see some of them.:rolleyes: Wanna keep arguing that I'm wrong???? Argue with him and his 30+ yrs of EXPERIENCE in Law Enforcement. :rolleyes:

[SKarpenz]

Listen pal, I'm going to pull rank on you here.

I've BEEN hunting since you were still playing marbles with your buddies by the swings, so don't for a second sit there and talk to me about "hunting". Obviously, "hunting" has got you in the mindset that you should hunt deer with a 7 mag ALL the time because that's the rifle that kicks more.... It's overkill my friend, it's overkill. Yeah, a 7 mag will put a deer down at 500 yds, but who the fuck shoots at deer at 500 yds in GEORGIA??? So it's a compensation for lack of things in other places. Kinda like a 60 yr old driving that shiny new Corvette.

Much like your brilliant idea that because you want to be billy bad ass and load the heaviest and hottest load into a shotgun, it's just compensation for lack of something else where. What that is, I have no clue. You want to breach a heavy door, cool....slugs it is. You want to shoot an intruder, in the dark, with kids sleeping feet away, slugs are NOT the best choice. YOU can argue with me all you want, but it's a fact. It's like burning down the whole house to kill a mouse. Yeah, you killed him.....AND the WHOLE house too. Great job.

You want to keep beating on your chest Tarzan??? Here you go, don't take it just from me. See if this doesn't sound familiar:



"The one ounce slug, fired from a 2-3/4-inch Federal, Remington, or Winchester shell, has a one shot stopping success of 98%. A deer barrel with rifle sights is the appropriate platform for this round. It is not the best choice for self defense because aiming becomes the critical factor in effective shot placement. The high probability of scoring hits, an advantage associated with buckshot loads, is lost. Slugs also have ferocious recoil and tend to over penetrate.
Although birdshot is not as lethal as buckshot, even at close range, it may make sense for home or apartment defense where the opportunity exists to injure or kill innocent people behind thin walls in adjacent rooms. For defending a single family home, buffered by land, 00 buck is preferred. The choice for birdshot loads is BB or #4 birdshot. Out to a range of 30 feet or so, birdshot is essentially a solid column of lead pellets. Stopping power may not be sufficient, however, due lack of penetration potential."



Want more proof? Here you go:

"Slugs are potent manstoppers, but have limited application for self-defense. Slugs have ferocious recoil and often over-penetrate. There are special situations where slugs might be preferred over buckshot (e.g. road-blocks, barricaded foes), but if you are interested in such esoterica I again direct you to Ayoob's masterful tome 'Stressfire II: Advanced Combat Shotgun'. This guide is for general civilian readers; policemen, soldiers, and gun enthusiasts should rely on Ayoob's in-depth expertise."
"Two things to keep in mind about birdshot. The first is that birdshot is as lethal as buckshot at close range. Don't believe for a second that you can just wound someone with birdshot and he'll go on to live another day. If you aren't justified in killing a man, you aren't justified in wounding him, either. Never "shoot to wound." I once again direct you to read Ayoob's 'In the Gravest Extreme' and learn the truth.

The second thing is that birdshot makes a lot of sense for home defense. I keep my home-defense 12 gauge loaded with two #4 birdshot rounds followed by 00 buck. Birdshot is much less likely to penetrate thin interior walls and kill innocent people on the other side, and has lower recoil than buckshot for faster follow-up shots (I live in a thin-walled apartment house, however - if I lived in a solid house with a lot of land around, I would definitely choose buckshot instead). The stopping power of birdshot should not be under-estimated: at ranges out to thirty feet or so, birdshot is virtually a solid column of lead. Choose any #4 or BB high brass lead hunting load. I like the Federal "Classic Lead Hi-Brass" #4 birdshot (HI26-4) and Winchester "Super-X" #4 high brass birdshot (X12-4), but there is little difference between the various choices. Buy whichever you please. If you're a bird hunter, use your favorite hunting shells as long as they are #6 or larger."


I highlighted some things that weren't said by me, but Massad Ayoob, one of the foremost authorities in self-defense in the world who happens to run a facility that trains not only civilians but LEO's on self-defense techniques, ammo, and tactics. He's published many books used by LEO's as damn near the bible on ammunition choice for self-defense and man stopping capabilities. He also writes for Guns and Ammo and hosts his own show, ironically enough titled "Personal Defense TV". I Tivo every episode if you wanna see some of them. Wanna keep arguing that I'm wrong???? Argue with him and his 30+ yrs of EXPERIENCE in Law Enforcement. [/QUOTE{Listen pal, I'm going to pull rank on you here.

I've BEEN hunting since you were still playing marbles with your buddies by the swings, so don't for a second sit there and talk to me about "hunting". Obviously, "hunting" has got you in the mindset that you should hunt deer with a 7 mag ALL the time because that's the rifle that kicks more.... It's overkill my friend, it's overkill. Yeah, a 7 mag will put a deer down at 500 yds, but who the fuck shoots at deer at 500 yds in GEORGIA??? So it's a compensation for lack of things in other places. Kinda like a 60 yr old driving that shiny new Corvette.

Much like your brilliant idea that because you want to be billy bad ass and load the heaviest and hottest load into a shotgun, it's just compensation for lack of something else where. What that is, I have no clue. You want to breach a heavy door, cool....slugs it is. You want to shoot an intruder, in the dark, with kids sleeping feet away, slugs are NOT the best choice. YOU can argue with me all you want, but it's a fact. It's like burning down the whole house to kill a mouse. Yeah, you killed him.....AND the WHOLE house too. Great job.

You want to keep beating on your chest Tarzan??? Here you go, don't take it just from me. See if this doesn't sound familiar:



"The one ounce slug, fired from a 2-3/4-inch Federal, Remington, or Winchester shell, has a one shot stopping success of 98%. A deer barrel with rifle sights is the appropriate platform for this round. It is not the best choice for self defense because aiming becomes the critical factor in effective shot placement. The high probability of scoring hits, an advantage associated with buckshot loads, is lost. Slugs also have ferocious recoil and tend to over penetrate.
Although birdshot is not as lethal as buckshot, even at close range, it may make sense for home or apartment defense where the opportunity exists to injure or kill innocent people behind thin walls in adjacent rooms. For defending a single family home, buffered by land, 00 buck is preferred. The choice for birdshot loads is BB or #4 birdshot. Out to a range of 30 feet or so, birdshot is essentially a solid column of lead pellets. Stopping power may not be sufficient, however, due lack of penetration potential."



Want more proof? Here you go:

"Slugs are potent manstoppers, but have limited application for self-defense. Slugs have ferocious recoil and often over-penetrate. There are special situations where slugs might be preferred over buckshot (e.g. road-blocks, barricaded foes), but if you are interested in such esoterica I again direct you to Ayoob's masterful tome 'Stressfire II: Advanced Combat Shotgun'. This guide is for general civilian readers; policemen, soldiers, and gun enthusiasts should rely on Ayoob's in-depth expertise."
"Two things to keep in mind about birdshot. The first is that birdshot is as lethal as buckshot at close range. Don't believe for a second that you can just wound someone with birdshot and he'll go on to live another day. If you aren't justified in killing a man, you aren't justified in wounding him, either. Never "shoot to wound." I once again direct you to read Ayoob's 'In the Gravest Extreme' and learn the truth.

The second thing is that birdshot makes a lot of sense for home defense. I keep my home-defense 12 gauge loaded with two #4 birdshot rounds followed by 00 buck. Birdshot is much less likely to penetrate thin interior walls and kill innocent people on the other side, and has lower recoil than buckshot for faster follow-up shots (I live in a thin-walled apartment house, however - if I lived in a solid house with a lot of land around, I would definitely choose buckshot instead). The stopping power of birdshot should not be under-estimated: at ranges out to thirty feet or so, birdshot is virtually a solid column of lead. Choose any #4 or BB high brass lead hunting load. I like the Federal "Classic Lead Hi-Brass" #4 birdshot (HI26-4) and Winchester "Super-X" #4 high brass birdshot (X12-4), but there is little difference between the various choices. Buy whichever you please. If you're a bird hunter, use your favorite hunting shells as long as they are #6 or larger."


I highlighted some things that weren't said by me, but Massad Ayoob, one of the foremost authorities in self-defense in the world who happens to run a facility that trains not only civilians but LEO's on self-defense techniques, ammo, and tactics. He's published many books used by LEO's as damn near the bible on ammunition choice for self-defense and man stopping capabilities. He also writes for Guns and Ammo and hosts his own show, ironically enough titled "Personal Defense TV". I Tivo every episode if you wanna see some of them. Wanna keep arguing that I'm wrong???? Argue with him and his 30+ yrs of EXPERIENCE in Law Enforcement.

Umm... pwnt?

JaimeCBR900 - 100% in agreement. I was just chuckling to myself about strategic child placement.

[NAMNORI]

wow really? like previously stated not argueing just telling you my thoughts on it but since you wanted to take it there ok.

First off you don't even fucking know me. Secondly you don't know what kind of training i've had. Third if you don't like my application of slugs over birdshot oh fucking well. Like i said I choose what's best not you. You wanna seem like mr fucking know it all ok go ahead. Whatever but if you wanna continue to think you know me think again. How old are you 40? yeah i didn't play marbles with my childhood friends we were too fucking busy shooting things with our bb guns to care about tv and bullshit like that ive been shooting guns since i was 6 with over 23yrs of training i consider myself to be a very responsible gun owner and operator, if you were to be around me for just a little while you'd understand i'm not making up for anything, i'm just me. Don't really care what you or anyone else thinks too busy caring for my family and those friends that i call family. If you wanna be the neighborhood smartass that's fine but atleast show me the respect i've shown you until now. If that's too much to ask for then fuck off.

[Truegiant]

Anywho.. On one trip up to the mountains I am bringing back a GSG5, Taurus Pro, Remington 870, Mossberg 500, bersa 380, 2k rounds of 9mm, 800 rounds of 380, selling two complete ars, and some little bs here and there. To much running around. I wish I had a shop up there, haha. Enough of the bickering and post pics or get out!

[SKarpenz]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/skarpenz/Civics/DSCF2177.jpg

There's what I carry daily. LOL

[Jaimecbr900]

wow really? like previously stated not argueing just telling you my thoughts on it but since you wanted to take it there ok.

First off you don't even fucking know me. Secondly you don't know what kind of training i've had. Third if you don't like my application of slugs over birdshot oh fucking well. Like i said I choose what's best not you. You wanna seem like mr fucking know it all ok go ahead. Whatever but if you wanna continue to think you know me think again. How old are you 40? yeah i didn't play marbles with my childhood friends we were too fucking busy shooting things with our bb guns to care about tv and bullshit like that ive been shooting guns since i was 6 with over 23yrs of training i consider myself to be a very responsible gun owner and operator, if you were to be around me for just a little while you'd understand i'm not making up for anything, i'm just me. Don't really care what you or anyone else thinks too busy caring for my family and those friends that i call family. If you wanna be the neighborhood smartass that's fine but atleast show me the respect i've shown you until now. If that's too much to ask for then fuck off.

:blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: Cry much????:lmfao:

Look, if your grammar mastery is any indication of your "gun skills", then just stick to shooting squirrels with BB guns.....:rolleyes:

It really is simple, pal. All you have to say is, "Hey, I was wrong and learned something new today, but I'm going to continue to be an idiot and do it my way anyway. Thanks." I would've moved on. As it is now, you've not only showed your lack of grammar skills, but also shown you are too hard headed to understand that the BIGGEST bowling ball is NOT needed to knock down all the pins....just SKILL. ;) Follow that? Probably not. :rolleyes:

Have a nice day. :goodjob:

[Jaimecbr900]

Anywho.. On one trip up to the mountains I am bringing back a GSG5, Taurus Pro, Remington 870, Mossberg 500, bersa 380, 2k rounds of 9mm, 800 rounds of 380, selling two complete ars, and some little bs here and there. To much running around. I wish I had a shop up there, haha. Enough of the bickering and post pics or get out!

I was going to send you a message on GON. Didn't you have a bunch of rounds you were looking to sell? :thinking:

BTW, I just picked me up another Glock 26, Laser Rod for my Glock 32, and ALMOST picked up a sweet Sig Blueline. The guy with the Sig flaked on me at the last second when I was literally on the way to pick it up. Now, I'm OCD about getting a SIG since I got stood up. Know of any good priced ones? I don't want to spend a ton on one.

[NAMNORI]

:blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: Cry much????:lmfao:

Look, if your grammar mastery is any indication of your "gun skills", then just stick to shooting squirrels with BB guns.....:rolleyes:

It really is simple, pal. All you have to say is, "Hey, I was wrong and learned something new today, but I'm going to continue to be an idiot and do it my way anyway. Thanks." I would've moved on. As it is now, you've not only showed your lack of grammar skills, but also shown you are too hard headed to understand that the BIGGEST bowling ball is NOT needed to knock down all the pins....just SKILL. ;) Follow that? Probably not. :rolleyes:

Have a nice day. :goodjob:

yes god have a nice day. Twat

[Jaimecbr900]

yes god have a nice day. Twat

"yes" should be capitalized, "god" should be capitalized, and "Twat" is not a complete sentence.

Spend more time in your remedial 6th grade English class and less time showing your ass on IA.

Thank you. Have a nice day. :rolleyes:

[NAMNORI]

"yes" should be capitalized, "god" should be capitalized, and "Twat" is not a complete sentence.

Spend more time in your remedial 6th grade English class and less time showing your ass on IA.

Thank you. Have a nice day. :rolleyes:


no no i don't capitalize god due to not thinking he is divine in any religion. Sorry professor, that i don't cArE about my grammer when on iA. Sorre. and no Twat isn't a sentence it's a statement. Douche

[Truegiant]

I was going to send you a message on GON. Didn't you have a bunch of rounds you were looking to sell? :thinking:

BTW, I just picked me up another Glock 26, Laser Rod for my Glock 32, and ALMOST picked up a sweet Sig Blueline. The guy with the Sig flaked on me at the last second when I was literally on the way to pick it up. Now, I'm OCD about getting a SIG since I got stood up. Know of any good priced ones? I don't want to spend a ton on one.

I am always buying and selling ammo. I will look into the sigs for you.

[SL65AMG]

this is my pistol. 9mm Firestar plus

[Jaimecbr900]

I am always buying and selling ammo. I will look into the sigs for you.

Cool, let me know.:goodjob:


this is my pistol. 9mm Firestar plus
Cool gun. I almost bought one of those the other day. I have a Firestar .40. :goodjob:



no no i don't capitalize god due to not thinking he is divine in any religion. Sorry professor, that i don't cArE about my grammer when on iA. Sorre. and no Twat isn't a sentence it's a statement. Douche


-5. "no no"- You ate the comma that should be in between there and didn't capitalize.
-1. I is always capitalized.
-10. God is ALWAYS capitalized regardless of your Atheist views.
-1. Professor is a formal title, so it too should be capitalized.
-10. For not learning your lesson about capitalizing "I".
-10. For misspelling Grammar.
-20. For once again using a single word as an entire sentence. Look up the definition of a sentence and try again.

Congrats, you made a 43. You fail, although I already gathered that much from your irresponsible and hard headed ways.

Please STFU already. You're beginning to bore me. You want to go toe-to-toe with me, start a thread and let's go to it. Otherwise, stop cluttering up this fine thread with your babbling 6th grade grammar.

Thank you, have a nice day. :rolleyes:

[drpepper14]

back on topic sort of.

I hope to have a pic of a new Glock G23 in this thread on monday or tuesday

[NAMNORI]

Cool, let me know.:goodjob:



Cool gun. I almost bought one of those the other day. I have a Firestar .40. :goodjob:




-5. "no no"- You ate the comma that should be in between there and didn't capitalize.
-1. I is always capitalized.
-10. God is ALWAYS capitalized regardless of your Atheist views.
-1. Professor is a formal title, so it too should be capitalized.
-10. For not learning your lesson about capitalizing "I".
-10. For misspelling Grammar.
-20. For once again using a single word as an entire sentence. Look up the definition of a sentence and try again.

Congrats, you made a 43. You fail, although I already gathered that much from your irresponsible and hard headed ways.

Please STFU already. You're beginning to bore me. You want to go toe-to-toe with me, start a thread and let's go to it. Otherwise, stop cluttering up this fine thread with your babbling 6th grade grammar.

Thank you, have a nice day. :rolleyes:



WOW.U IS SO SMART, I IS SO LUCKIE TO HAS U TEACHIN ME DA GRAMMAR STUFFF. TANK U MEESTIR, OH MY gOD, TANK U.

[BanginJimmy]

Heres mine finally

Glock 23 .40 S&W

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a180/banginjimmy/random%20pics/IMG_1311.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a180/banginjimmy/random%20pics/IMG_1313.jpg

[Truegiant]

Glad to see you got it. Post up zombie killing pics when you get range time.

[BanginJimmy]

I should be heading to the range tomorrow or tuesday so I will get a couple cell phone pics of a carnage.

[BanginJimmy]

Couple of pics. Was not a great day at the range as everything I shot was left.

Most of the fliers you see were 1 handed with the left hand.

Also picked up a couple extra magazines from AO while I was out that way.

[Danny]

cool man. At what range were those shots taken?

[BanginJimmy]

WWT, its the closest and they have decent prices.

Ears, glasses, 3 targets and range time for $15.

[Danny]

whoops i meant range as in distance to target lol.

[BanginJimmy]

The standard target, 20 and 30ft lines.

The zombie target, 5 rounds at ~80ft, 8 rounds at 50ft, 13 rounds at 30ft, 13 rounds at 9ft.

[drpepper14]

Did you happen to see if AO had any g23's in stock?

I also found another range, Ed's Indoor Range, off canton and barrett.

[81911SC]

Did you happen to see if AO had any g23's in stock?

I also found another range, Ed's Indoor Range, off canton and barrett.Yea, I've been to Ed's quite a few times. About 2/3's of the time they've not been very helpful. Good selection but the rest of the store needs some cleaning. Lol

[BanginJimmy]

Did you happen to see if AO had any g23's in stock?

I also found another range, Ed's Indoor Range, off canton and barrett.


Didnt look at anything in AO, just got the magazines.

[pebojelly]

So the pissing match about ammo for a shotgun is over?LOL.

I use this for home and carry and the other stuff to,lol.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k218/ikillforhavik/DSCF0101.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k218/ikillforhavik/DSCF0104.jpg

[pebojelly]

I wanted to point out a double tap from a pistol is a very common defense in court.

I only shoot this style at the range.

If you are going to use a shotgun and aim for the leg then the head?WTF this will then get you locked up as the DA will argue your first shot was SD your second made you the attacker.

Stop listening to rednecks local to you while drinking a beer.

Speak to a DA,Judge or Lawyer so you will know now rather then later.

But I agree that any method used is better then trying 911,lol.

I would rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6.

[Danny]

So the pissing match about ammo for a shotgun is over?LOL.

I use this for home and carry and the other stuff to,lol.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k218/ikillforhavik/DSCF0101.jpg



Ya the pissing was over........... until u posted pictures of that springer 1911 with houge grips!!!! EEEEKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK :eek:

[Truegiant]

Ya the pissing was over........... until u posted pictures of that springer 1911 with houge grips!!!! EEEEKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK :eek:

hahaha.

[pebojelly]

Ya the pissing was over........... until u posted pictures of that springer 1911 with houge grips!!!! EEEEKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK :eek:

LOL I know there cheap but they feel great and fit my hand nice.

I have kimber and the US wood but these are for use not looks.

[Truegiant]

LOL I know there cheap but they feel great and fit my hand nice.

I have kimber and the US wood but these are for use not looks.

If thats what works for you then a plus.

[patrick4588]

I'll post some pics when I get back to GA but I carry a Glock 23 .40. I have a Blackhawk CBQ paddle holster until I can afford a better one.

i have that as well, my gfl hasnt come in yet though

[Goinfasterthanu]

Heres what i carry when clothes permit...
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e140/Goinfasterthanu/IMG_0564.jpg
Springfeild xd.. Used to be a glock guy but i got this...

And i carry this everyday everywhere.... its a 22 mag 5 shot...
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e140/Goinfasterthanu/22mag.jpg

[Goinfasterthanu]

group pic..lol

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e140/Goinfasterthanu/grouppic.jpg

[BanginJimmy]

Nice collection. More info on the M4 though.

[Goinfasterthanu]

look in the post your assualt rifle thread.....last post.. thanks for looking!

[allmotoronly]

I CC a 6.5" Raging bull lol. It can be a little tricky now that it's getting warm and I can't hide it under a jacket... I may have go buy something smaller for the warmer months.

[Julio]

I recently picked this sucker up..

[n2daizo123]

My new carry piece, Glock 36.
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/73/l_0806880aa2834420b5ad01a43b50549d.jpg
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/86/l_94d7004f3b3540d38ce9d03dd869c486.jpg
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/80/l_b7514a767e6340be954fefef3e7b5ccd.jpg
I carry Golden Sabers in it. Here is one that i picked up in the dirt after it expanded.
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/84/l_4bf3b8e7bfbb4aa4a1853e3a724087e6.jpg Looks painful.

[81911SC]

Nice stuff guys.

[DerrickT]

^ after that...
I will post my cheap plastic POS.
lol

SW9VE
Fobus Paddle Holster... I hate it. I want something IWB.
2 clips full of Winchester SXT


I am tired of it, I want to get a 4" 1911 of some kind, or a Glock 23.

[Danny]

I am tired of it, I want to get a 4" 1911 of some kind, or a Glock 23.


I was with you up untill the word "or". You know whats up your ally. a Commander size bobtail 1911.

Like this:

http://home.comcast.net/~bdkirk11/guns/dw1.JPG

time for you to go start a thread asking for help on deciding which 1911 to buy, and I will pretend like you never struggled with the decision of 1911 or glock, because its a no brainer. lol

ps. im not biased, haha.

[Truegiant]

I was with you up untill the word "or". You know whats up your ally. a Commander size bobtail 1911.

Like this:

http://home.comcast.net/~bdkirk11/guns/dw1.JPG

time for you to go start a thread asking for help on deciding which 1911 to buy, and I will pretend like you never struggled with the decision of 1911 or glock, because its a no brainer. lol

ps. im not biased, haha.

why did you have to post up that dan wesson classic? she is a beauty. anywho.. 1911 or fail! Once you get one you will never return to the tubberware side of the house ,haha.

[DerrickT]

Any of you guys have any experience with the Rock Island Armory 1911's? I have read good things about them, they are very well priced. Don't get me wrong, i'd love a Kimber or Colt or Springfeild, but they just cost so much. Thoughts?

[Danny]

Any of you guys have any experience with the Rock Island Armory 1911's? I have read good things about them, they are very well priced. Don't get me wrong, i'd love a Kimber or Colt or Springfeild, but they just cost so much. Thoughts?

I personally dont have any experience with the RIA. But there are lots of people that say its fantastic for the money, and some of the more experienced 1911 minds seem to swear against it. Personally i am not sure how a $350 1911 will run for any extended period of hard use, but i could be mistaken.

Check out the springfield GI model, i see them pop up for around $425 used quite often at Adventure OUtdoors.

I would wipe Kimber off your list of potential buys, JMHO.

[patrick4588]

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/patrick4588/3299_585869610903_46206157_34322121.jpg
i carry one of these. i just got a supertuck iwb for the Glock 29 (10mm). It gets fed Corbon Powrball or Gold Dots.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/patrick4588/10mm-gold-dot-180.jpg

[Truegiant]

Any of you guys have any experience with the Rock Island Armory 1911's? I have read good things about them, they are very well priced. Don't get me wrong, i'd love a Kimber or Colt or Springfeild, but they just cost so much. Thoughts?

I have personal experience with one. I have redone several RIA's with customers. They all seem to like them. My RIA is a High Standard Crusader. Its a 3" 1911 with all kinds of neat goodies from teh factory. I essentially only used the frame,slide, and barrel. I replaced everything else inside the gun with good quality components from the big names. I find nothing necessarily inferior with the RIA's. There are some casting marks, factory blimishes,etc with them but nothing a good internal polish job wont fix. I agree with danny. You can usually pick up a good used springer or even a taurus pt1911. Some will tell you that hte taurus' are junk but i personally liked the coupel i shot for the money. I saw a blued pt1911 with less than 200rds down the tube go for $400 at the last gun show. Thats a great deal considering what all you get out of the box. GREAT DEAL! And to someone just getting into the 1911 platform, it will allow you to decide what you like and what you dont like without breaking the bank.

[Danny]

when considering a pt1911 its important to remember that their frames are not 1911 spec. Thus many parts (ignition group for example) must be ordered specifically from tarus, or another brand that makes pt1911 parts. This pretty much kills the deal for me. Also those pistols seem very hit and miss, some run and some dont. Warrenty work for tarus has to go to south america if i recall, another down fall.

Personally i like springfield and colt base models (series 70 only), then build them up from there.

Like John (truegiant) said RIA can be built up, but there is a reason the top smiths in the country pic the colt series 70 or the springfield milspec as thier buildup guns. RIA would be a good option for the low budget builds.

1911s are tricky, if you end up being interested we should probably start another thread as 1911 discussion will go on for decades :D

[Truegiant]

i shot a nighthawk t3 stainless today. Its a nice tool, but at 2600 i think i am going to have to pass. back to the thread

[DerrickT]

:goodjob: I appreciate all that feed back, have any of you guys purchased off gunbroker before? How does that work?

[Danny]

:goodjob: I appreciate all that feed back, have any of you guys purchased off gunbroker before? How does that work?

i sold a gun on gun broker and purchased some mags on there. When buying it works basically like ebay. After you win you call your local gun shop and tell them you need to have a gun shipped there, once you get that all set up (about 35$) you talk to the seller and give him the addy of your gun shop. They then will usually overnight the gun there and all you do is pick it up basically.

[DerrickT]

well... try not to flame too hard, but after shooting several guns I was looking at (1911's {.45acp, 9mm, 38 super}, Glock 23, Glock 26) I decided to go with a Glock 26, and I am pretty excited about how well it shoots and how accurate it is for a subcompact. I beats the living hell out of Sigma thats for sure. And I just really liked the way it felt and I also like the size of it. It worked for me. I will own a 1911 one day, but I dont want to spend money on one I dont really like or want in my price range. But any who, a Glock 26 was the first hand gun I ever shot and It felt so nice then, so I decided to shoot it again and I went back to it.
happy shooting! -DT

[Danny]

Good choice. 1911s are tricky and its very common that 1911s under $1K just plain suck. So that right there makes it unobtainable for most people. You will like your glock, there is nothing wrong with those guns. They are easy to shoot, easy to maintain, and usually very reliable.

Subcompacts are usually much more accurate than thier owners :D

Like i mentioned earlier, keep your eye out for a milspec or GI springifled model (used). These are great guns to get your feet wet with. And then if you want you can build a custom 1911 on that platform like I did and it becomes a whole new gun.

Even though you didnt ask for advice ill give it anyways. Spend money on ammo, training and a good holster. A second gun can wait a little while. Just a heads up, you will find your self wanting a bigger gun if you start shooting/training for extended periods of time.

Care to share which 1911s you shot/handled?

[DerrickT]

Colt GI .45? It was just a basic milspec, colt 9mm combat commander, colt 38 super, which were all nice guns, just too much to spend right now. I don't know anyone with a RIA 1911, and if I do get a 1911 I am not going to skimp on it. That's why if I was going Tupperware again, I might as well pick up a glock, sure there are better polymer framed guns out there, but they ate up in 1911 price range... You know what I'd with the money in that case. I think I got the best gun for the money. Only time will tell.

[BanginJimmy]

I love my G23. I know there are better weapons out there, but for the money I got exactly what I was looking for. Something that I am pretty accurate with, reliable, and easy to maintain.

[Danny]

Colt GI .45? It was just a basic milspec, colt 9mm combat commander, colt 38 super, which were all nice guns, just too much to spend right now. I don't know anyone with a RIA 1911, and if I do get a 1911 I am not going to skimp on it. That's why if I was going Tupperware again, I might as well pick up a glock, sure there are better polymer framed guns out there, but they ate up in 1911 price range... You know what I'd with the money in that case. I think I got the best gun for the money. Only time will tell.


i wouldnt be so quick to say there are better poly guns out there, as nothing really jumps out in my mind. You made a good choice and i bet you will be happy with it. I have a 27, same size as yours. Its my carry gun and I like it alot.

[DerrickT]

Man, my grammar was real bad in that last post of mine... lol. I just woke up from a nap. I love vacation. I was about to buy a 27, but I have heard they are terrible for firing more than like 2 clips and I like to shoot my gun. 9mm is good enough if it is placed right ;). I would agree that Glock is the best polymer framed pistols, but there are some that are more costly with more features that others may consider "better" but in my honest opinion what is more better than a basic gun that can withstand abuse and still run like a champ? but anyways, A G19 mag and slide on extension is in order for my next purchase. then maybe a good set of night sights.
heres a pic next to my keys...

[DerrickT]

oh yeah, Danny, what holster do you use to carry your 27?

[Danny]

i use a comptac m-tac holster. Its leather/kydex hybrid. I like it alot.