Those of you who support the 2nd amendment please look

[allmotoronly]

I originally posted this in the lifestyle section, but I think it would get more traffic here. Mods feel free to close the original post.

Those of you on IA who support the 2nd amendment and our right to bear arms, please read and consider the following house bill that has been proposed. This new bill will revise the current concealed carry laws in GA, making GA a true concealed carry state. If you don't have a GFL, I suggest you get one.

Georgia Citizens Supporting HB-615

Dear Georgia Legislators,

I am pleased to be a citizen of Georgia, a consistent voter and a proud firearm owner. Thank you for your overall support of my right to bear arms last year by passing HB 89. I am grateful to have representation like you in the Georgia General Assembly. With my signature on this petition, I pledge support to HB 615, which is a bill that aims to restore my right to bear arms in Georgia. I would be very grateful of your favorable vote on this legislation when you have the opportunity.

HB 615 returns 2nd Amendment rights to all the lawabiding citizen's of Georgia in that:

SECTION 1 - This section of the bill addresses the concealed carry law and permits the concealed carry of weapons, rather than just pistols, revolvers, and concealable firearms. Section 1 also makes it legal for those eligible under federal law to possess a firearm to possess a firearm in a motor vehicle, which fixes an oversight in the concealed carry statute.

SECTION 2 - This section repeals the public gathering law and makes it clear that the only places off limits to you in Georgia will be the portion of a building housing courtrooms, jail, or a prison.

SECTION 3 - This section repeals the requirement of a license to carry a pistol openly, making Georgia like the majority of states, where a license is needed only to conceal the weapon, not merely to carry it.

SECTION 4 - This section changes the licensing law to provide for the option of a lifetime license or the regular 5 year license. It also changes the issuing authority to the Secretary of State. This section also removes the disqualifier for misdemeanor marijuana convictions and concealed weapons carry offenses.

SECTION 5 - This section makes it illegal to seize your weapon during a declared emergency.

SECTION 6 - This section removes the Governor's power to seize your weapon during a time of declared emergency.

SECTION 7 - This section makes sure that your private information will still be confidential once the licensing moves over to the Secretary of State.

SECTION 8 - This section makes the act effective the day it is signed, rather than July 1 of the year it is signed.

SECTION 9 - This section repeals all conflicting laws.

If you support the changes proposed in this bill, please sign the online petition below. If your state representative supported HB 89 and you believe they would be in support of this bill, please email them and ask for their support.

petition
http://www.petitiononline.com/GaHB615/petition.html (http://www.petitiononline.com/GaHB615/petition.html)


list of state representatives (with email list)
http://www.legis.ga.gov/legis/2007_.../07district.htm (http://www.legis.ga.gov/legis/2007_08/house/07district.htm)

district map
(metro)
http://georgiareapportionment.uga.e...ouse06metro.pdf (http://georgiareapportionment.uga.edu/map/House06metro.pdf)
(the rest of GA)
http://georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/pdf/2006house.pdf (http://georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/pdf/2006house.pdf)

[BobbyFresco]

How many sections are you going to post the same thread in?

[allmotoronly]

How many sections are you going to post the same thread in?

hmmm. maybe you should read the first sentence before you open your mouth.

[§treet_§peed]

you have to remember some people lack common sense.

[Friggintitsman]

When can I start carrying this again?

http://www.c2mi.com.ar/knives/imgs/karambit.jpg

I just don't feel safe anymore

[allmotoronly]

When can I start carrying this again?

http://www.c2mi.com.ar/knives/imgs/karambit.jpg

I just don't feel safe anymore

as soon as you sign the petition and this bill passes. seriously.

[Friggintitsman]

as soon as you sign the petition and this bill passes. seriously.

You'll have to excuse me for I have horrible reading comprehension, but I do not see where it says I can carry a blade. Especially one of this nature.

[allmotoronly]

You'll have to excuse me for I have horrible reading comprehension, but I do not see where it says I can carry a blade. Especially one of this nature.

SECTION 1 - This section of the bill addresses the concealed carry law and permits the concealed carry of weapons, rather than just pistols, revolvers, and concealable firearms. Section 1 also makes it legal for those eligible under federal law to possess a firearm to possess a firearm in a motor vehicle, which fixes an oversight in the concealed carry statute.

This section will make it legal to conceal carry weapons other than just pistols, such as knives, etc.

[Friggintitsman]

SECTION 1 - This section of the bill addresses the concealed carry law and permits the concealed carry of weapons, rather than just pistols, revolvers, and concealable firearms. Section 1 also makes it legal for those eligible under federal law to possess a firearm to possess a firearm in a motor vehicle, which fixes an oversight in the concealed carry statute.

This section will make it legal to conceal carry weapons other than just pistols, such as knives, etc.

That is what I thought.

Fuckin A where do I sign?

[BobbyFresco]

hmmm. maybe you should read the first sentence before you open your mouth.

Open my mouth..on the internetz, huh? Interesting.

and...doesn't take away from the fact that you've posted this thread elsewhere and I asked very politely where else you were planning on posting it.

[allmotoronly]

That is what I thought.

Fuckin A where do I sign?

bottom of this page
http://www.petitiononline.com/GaHB615/petition.html

[allmotoronly]

Open my mouth..on the internetz, huh? Interesting.

and...doesn't take away from the fact that you've posted this thread elsewhere and I asked very politely where else you were planning on posting it.

If you would have read the first sentence, you wouldn't have to ask anything very politely. I said that a mod can delete the first thread if they like.

[KPowerEP3]

GCO FTW! Nice to see another member on here!

[§treet_§peed]

i signed.

[willum14pb]

signed, good find.

[FlipKing]

signed

[JayL]

...signed!

[.::UNKNOWN::.]

signed!!!

[redrumracer]

signed

[FasTech]

I was the 767th signer.

[Magnus213]

No thanks.

I think I could count on my fingers the people I trust to carry a concealed weapon. The thought of most people on this site with a gun in their coat scares the hell out of me.

[allmotoronly]

No thanks.

I think I could count on my fingers the people I trust to carry a concealed weapon. The thought of most people on this site with a gun in their coat scares the hell out of me.

You do know that to obtain a GFL you must have a thorough FBI background check. The type of people who you are referring to usually don't have a firearms license. People like me and others here with a GFL are responsible law abiding citizens. Its the person who doesn't have a license to carry and conceals a weapon anyway that I am worried about. Don't be ignorant. Do you really think that it's the law abiding citizen who has a GFL for personal protection that you should be worried about, or a criminal who posesses a firearm illegally?

[Magnus213]

You do know that to obtain a GFL you must have a thorough FBI background check. The type of people who you are referring to usually don't have a firearms license. People like me and others here with a GFL are responsible law abiding citizens. Its the person who doesn't have a license to carry and conceals a weapon anyway that I am worried about. Don't be ignorant. Do you really think that it's the law abiding citizen who has a GFL for personal protection that you should be worried about, or a criminal who posesses a firearm illegally?
I did not know that, thank you for that information. I suppose I did assert a rather unwarranted fear without knowing all of the facts.

[allmotoronly]

I did not know that, thank you for that information. I suppose I did assert a rather unwarranted fear without knowing all of the facts.

no problem. You share a common misconception with many Americans. Not just anyone can get a concealed weapons permit. You have to have a practically spotless record. A little research on the topic will show you that states that allow concealment of a weapon (with a permit) have lower crime rates.

[81911SC]

no problem. You share a common misconception with many Americans. Not just anyone can get a concealed weapons permit. You have to have a practically spotless record. A little research on the topic will show you that states that allow concealment of a weapon (with a permit) have lower crime rates.Very true, allmotor. I have mine and use it as much as I can. Never have had any problems.

[allmotoronly]

Very true, allmotor. I have mine and use it as much as I can. Never have had any problems.

thanks for agreeing. reps

[81911SC]

thanks for agreeing. repsBack at cha. :D
Almost half my family has theirs and I think that everyone who has earned the right should use the right. :cheers:

[allmotoronly]

Back at cha. :D
Almost half my family has theirs and I think that everyone who has earned the right should use the right. :cheers:

agreed.

[allmotoronly]

Ok, I repped everyone who posted that they signed. Thanks for supporting the bill!!!

[DarwinsA32]

I signed, also we need to work up a house bill that protects us from Obama'ss proposed firearms legislation, it is entirely unconstitutional, i'll tell you for certain if and when any govt agent comes to my house to seize firearms there will be an incident.



Also, requirements to educate the gun ignorant liberals who cower in the fear at the utterance of the word "gun" about what it takes to obtain a CCW,FFL, or C&R so they don't go on assuming that all those 'Crazy gun owners' aren't the one's responsible for all the shit that goes on.

[BanginJimmy]

I signed but there are a few areas I dont like.

1. It doesnt matter how you feel about marijuana, possession of it is still a drug offense in all 50 states. If you have a conviction for that it needs to disqualify you. The same is true for a prior conviction of an illegally concealed weapon. It is still a conviction and needs to stay that way. Retroactive laws work both ways, you cannot have them working one way and not the other.

2. There needs to be a stipulation in there requiring the 4 or 8 hour weapons safety class to get the license. I know that for most gun owners it would be a waste of time, but those few people that learn anything could save some innocent bystander's life. I also believe there should be some rudimentary qualification system. Even if you have every right to carry a weapon, if you cannot hit the broad side of a barn at 25ft in a stressfree enviroment you pose a danger to others if you are armed.

3. All weapons dont need to be concealed. The law should be amended to include knives, but nothing else. A micro-uzi is not much larger than a pistol, but it should be not carried as a self defense weapon. Under this proposed version, it would alos be legal for me to wear a trenchcoat with a shotgun under it.


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[KPowerEP3]

I signed but there are a few areas I dont like.

1. It doesnt matter how you feel about marijuana, possession of it is still a drug offense in all 50 states. If you have a conviction for that it needs to disqualify you. The same is true for a prior conviction of an illegally concealed weapon. It is still a conviction and needs to stay that way. Retroactive laws work both ways, you cannot have them working one way and not the other.

2. There needs to be a stipulation in there requiring the 4 or 8 hour weapons safety class to get the license. I know that for most gun owners it would be a waste of time, but those few people that learn anything could save some innocent bystander's life. I also believe there should be some rudimentary qualification system. Even if you have every right to carry a weapon, if you cannot hit the broad side of a barn at 25ft in a stressfree enviroment you pose a danger to others if you are armed.

3. All weapons dont need to be concealed. The law should be amended to include knives, but nothing else. A micro-uzi is not much larger than a pistol, but it should be not carried as a self defense weapon. Under this proposed version, it would alos be legal for me to wear a trenchcoat with a shotgun under it.


edit: #819

Actually, in reference to number 3, with a GFL, you can, technically, do just that already. It's in no way limited to handguns, as I'm sure you know. Besides, what if I want to carry a sap or something similar? That would be a concealed weapon if I stuck it in my pocket. The thing's you're talking about are already loopholes, it's not really anything in the current bill that the petition is for, it is, however something that should be addressed, I agree with you there, but I don't believe that calls for a change of verbiage in this bill.

[BanginJimmy]

Actually, in reference to number 3, with a GFL, you can, technically, do just that already. It's in no way limited to handguns, as I'm sure you know. Besides, what if I want to carry a sap or something similar? That would be a concealed weapon if I stuck it in my pocket. The thing's you're talking about are already loopholes, it's not really anything in the current bill that the petition is for, it is, however something that should be addressed, I agree with you there, but I don't believe that calls for a change of verbiage in this bill.


I would have to read the actual bill, but I thought it only applied to handguns.

[AirMax95]

You do know that to obtain a GFL you must have a thorough FBI background check. The type of people who you are referring to usually don't have a firearms license. People like me and others here with a GFL are responsible law abiding citizens. Its the person who doesn't have a license to carry and conceals a weapon anyway that I am worried about. Don't be ignorant. Do you really think that it's the law abiding citizen who has a GFL for personal protection that you should be worried about, or a criminal who posesses a firearm illegally?

While I commend the background checks, I still feel that anyone want to carry needs to have a formal firearm training class. Also, background checks don't account for the everyday idiot. I don't like the notion of a law abiding citizen playing wild wild west in public with no experience. The training should be mandatory, and part of the licensing process.

[james]

sweet will this bump up my gun stocks if this fails?

[DarwinsA32]

I signed but there are a few areas I dont like.

1. It doesnt matter how you feel about marijuana, possession of it is still a drug offense in all 50 states. If you have a conviction for that it needs to disqualify you. The same is true for a prior conviction of an illegally concealed weapon. It is still a conviction and needs to stay that way. Retroactive laws work both ways, you cannot have them working one way and not the other.

2. There needs to be a stipulation in there requiring the 4 or 8 hour weapons safety class to get the license. I know that for most gun owners it would be a waste of time, but those few people that learn anything could save some innocent bystander's life. I also believe there should be some rudimentary qualification system. Even if you have every right to carry a weapon, if you cannot hit the broad side of a barn at 25ft in a stressfree enviroment you pose a danger to others if you are armed.

3. All weapons dont need to be concealed. The law should be amended to include knives, but nothing else. A micro-uzi is not much larger than a pistol, but it should be not carried as a self defense weapon. Under this proposed version, it would alos be legal for me to wear a trenchcoat with a shotgun under it.


edit: #819

I know #1 was in reference to me, as I stand now I have not been convicted... My CCW is still valid.

[BanginJimmy]

I know #1 was in reference to me, as I stand now I have not been convicted... My CCW is still valid.

It wasnt towards anyone in particular. If I wanted to personally attack you I would, it was just a simple statement of opinion.

[Brian*]

I am on felony probation so I guess I should not worry about this any way lol

[Danny]

While I commend the background checks, I still feel that anyone want to carry needs to have a formal firearm training class. Also, background checks don't account for the everyday idiot. I don't like the notion of a law abiding citizen playing wild wild west in public with no experience. The training should be mandatory, and part of the licensing process.

got to remember that the training that would be issued for free will be next to nothing. Ultimately its the users responsibility to seek true professional (multi-day) training to become somewhat decent at weapon handling and manipulations.

As much as i would love to say that all GFL/CCW holders should attend a 3day course that would be unconstitutional. Thankfully most idiots with guns end up shooting themselves on accident, in the safety of their own home or car while holstering or manipulating. I think a required 4-6 hour gun saftey class could be good, replaceable of course by a list of nationally approved trainers.

Oh and you dont like the notion of people playing wild west in public? Wake up man, every where you go there a people standing next to you with guns on them. And yet you never hear of 'billy joe normal' playing wild west in public.

Whats fun is trying to figure out who is carrying around you, now thats tricky.

[BanginJimmy]

I carry pretty much all the time. I learned how to handle a weapon in the military, but even that should not replace a formal gun handling course. I know it isnt right to force a 3 day course or anything, but a basic gun handling course is a must.

Think of it like a motorcycle safety course. Most people that I know that ride and have taken the course have said they learned something. Even the ones that have been riding for 10 years or more said they learned something.

[green91]

Good read, and i signed of course.

[TIGERJC]

I signed but there are a few areas I dont like.

2. There needs to be a stipulation in there requiring the 4 or 8 hour weapons safety class to get the license. I know that for most gun owners it would be a waste of time, but those few people that learn anything could save some innocent bystander's life. I also believe there should be some rudimentary qualification system. Even if you have every right to carry a weapon, if you cannot hit the broad side of a barn at 25ft in a stressfree enviroment you pose a danger to others if you are armed.

3. All weapons dont need to be concealed. The law should be amended to include knives, but nothing else. A micro-uzi is not much larger than a pistol, but it should be not carried as a self defense weapon. Under this proposed version, it would alos be legal for me to wear a trenchcoat with a shotgun under it.


edit: #819
This may be the only thing I will ever agree with you on and thats why I will not sign

[TIGERJC]

why not force people to do a 3 day training course before obtaining a ccw permit? It will only help you guys' cause, and would make a lot of people feel a lot better about people carrying anywhere.

[Danny]

I carry pretty much all the time. I learned how to handle a weapon in the military, but even that should not replace a formal gun handling course. I know it isnt right to force a 3 day course or anything, but a basic gun handling course is a must.

Think of it like a motorcycle safety course. Most people that I know that ride and have taken the course have said they learned something. Even the ones that have been riding for 10 years or more said they learned something.


absolutely. Majority of the self taught/ dad taught people were taught improperly. I have stopped going to the range on the weekends for this reason. Everyone thinks they know how to handle a weapon, when they dont. Very scary.

I too carry essentially all the time.
"owning a pistol makes you no more armed than owning a guitar makes you a musician" - Jeff Cooper. 100% true.

[Danny]

why not force people to do a 3 day training course before obtaining a ccw permit? It will only help you guys' cause, and would make a lot of people feel a lot better about people carrying anywhere.

as i said, its unconstitutional. Not saying it wont happen though, but i am 100% against it.

[BanginJimmy]

as i said, its unconstitutional. Not saying it wont happen though, but i am 100% against it.


I am also against it, but I have no issues with requiring a weapons handling test, sort of like the written test to get your license. They cannot stop you from owning a weapon as that is a right, but the CCW is a privilege.

[AirMax95]

why not force people to do a 3 day training course before obtaining a ccw permit? It will only help you guys' cause, and would make a lot of people feel a lot better about people carrying anywhere.

Yep, cause if I get shot in the ass b/c you can't properly opperate a weapon in self-defense I will be extremely pissed; and in pain. :(

[DJ Maestro]

I'm planning on getting my GFL here in the next month, but am curious about the OP's statement saying "if you don't have one, get one". Are the requirements changing to where it will be harder to get a license now??? :thinking:

Forgive my ignorance on this as my brain never works right on Tuesdays. :crazy: :D

[allmotoronly]

I signed but there are a few areas I dont like.

1. It doesnt matter how you feel about marijuana, possession of it is still a drug offense in all 50 states. If you have a conviction for that it needs to disqualify you. The same is true for a prior conviction of an illegally concealed weapon. It is still a conviction and needs to stay that way. Retroactive laws work both ways, you cannot have them working one way and not the other.

2. There needs to be a stipulation in there requiring the 4 or 8 hour weapons safety class to get the license. I know that for most gun owners it would be a waste of time, but those few people that learn anything could save some innocent bystander's life. I also believe there should be some rudimentary qualification system. Even if you have every right to carry a weapon, if you cannot hit the broad side of a barn at 25ft in a stressfree enviroment you pose a danger to others if you are armed.

3. All weapons dont need to be concealed. The law should be amended to include knives, but nothing else. A micro-uzi is not much larger than a pistol, but it should be not carried as a self defense weapon. Under this proposed version, it would alos be legal for me to wear a trenchcoat with a shotgun under it.


edit: #819

1) This bill would allow people who have had misdemeanor marijuana and concealment charges to be able to apply for the license, not felony charges. The original idea for this section came from a guy here in GA who had a misdemeanor marijuana posession charge 30+ years ago as a teenager, who now is a responsible adult and community leader. Due to a charge where he only had to pay a fine originally, he now cannot get a GFL. A misdemeanor marijuana charge is less than one ounce. It would be different if they wanted to allow people with felony drug charges to obtain a GFL, but that is not the case. As for the previous concealed weapons charges. That is also for misdemeanor charges only. For Example, if you are pulled over and the police decide to search your car and they find a pocket knife in the glove box, that is technically a concealed weapon, and would bring misdemeanor concealed weapon charges. Felony concealed weapons charges usually involve a weapon being concealed to commit a crime.

2) it would be a violation of your second amendment rights to require firearm training to obtain a GFL. However, I do agree that firearm training is a MUST for people who get the permit so they can actually carry the weapon. Most people get it to carry a firearm in their car, and never or very rarely carry it on their person. It is the responsibility of the individual to obtain proper training.

3) A micro-uzi counts is a pistol, which can already be concealed (semi auto version). People cannot buy fully automatic weapons anyway, so the concealment of such weapons is not an issue. Only people with a class 2 manufacturers FFL or a class 3 FFL can possess fully automatic firearms. However, any fully auto weapon manufactured before 1986 can be owned by a person if a tax stamp is purchased (which involves a background check, and also allows the gov't the power to search/seize your property at any time).

[BanginJimmy]

1) This bill would allow people who have had misdemeanor marijuana and concealment charges to be able to apply for the license, not felony charges. The original idea for this section came from a guy here in GA who had a misdemeanor marijuana posession charge 30+ years ago as a teenager, who now is a responsible adult and community leader. Due to a charge where he only had to pay a fine originally, he now cannot get a GFL. A misdemeanor marijuana charge is less than one ounce. It would be different if they wanted to allow people with felony drug charges to obtain a GFL, but that is not the case. As for the previous concealed weapons charges. That is also for misdemeanor charges only. For Example, if you are pulled over and the police decide to search your car and they find a pocket knife in the glove box, that is technically a concealed weapon, and would bring misdemeanor concealed weapon charges. Felony concealed weapons charges usually involve a weapon being concealed to commit a crime.

I realize that, but I still think that it should disqualify you from obtaining a weapon. A good friend of mine has a domestic violence charge on his record because his GF was pissed at him. He never touched her (I was there) yet he still cannot leagally own a firearm. People that are no threat do sometimes get caught in the net, but I would rather 10 people that are not a threat being denied because of a misdemenor than 1 person that is.


2) it would be a violation of your second amendment rights to require firearm training to obtain a GFL. However, I do agree that firearm training is a MUST for people who get the permit so they can actually carry the weapon. Most people get it to carry a firearm in their car, and never or very rarely carry it on their person. It is the responsibility of the individual to obtain proper training.

I know it does, but there still needs to be some type of training for a carry license. That is not a right in any form or fashion.


3) A micro-uzi counts is a pistol, which can already be concealed (semi auto version). People cannot buy fully automatic weapons anyway, so the concealment of such weapons is not an issue. Only people with a class 2 manufacturers FFL or a class 3 FFL can possess fully automatic firearms. However, any fully auto weapon manufactured before 1986 can be owned by a person if a tax stamp is purchased (which involves a background check, and also allows the gov't the power to search/seize your property at any time).

I find it ahrd to belive that a micro uzi is classified as a pistol but I will take your word for it. That still doesnt account for the shotgun under the trenchcoat. There needs to be some very strict wording on what is considered concealable and what is not.

[Julio]

Concealed? but GA is a open carry state? So what is exactly changing? Besides the whole misdemeanor thing, that i do not agree with...

I have my GFL and I Honestly prefer to stay the way it is right now

[Julio]

BTW, I do not want a Conceal permit.. Even though I do not OC anyways..But sometimes is needed...

[Friggintitsman]

I want my Class II license

[allmotoronly]

Concealed? but GA is a open carry state? So what is exactly changing? Besides the whole misdemeanor thing, that i do not agree with...

I have my GFL and I Honestly prefer to stay the way it is right now

GA is not an open carry state. You have to have a GFL to open carry just like you have to have a GFL to conceal carry. GA is one of few states left that do not allow open carry without a license.

[allmotoronly]

I find it ahrd to belive that a micro uzi is classified as a pistol but I will take your word for it. That still doesnt account for the shotgun under the trenchcoat. There needs to be some very strict wording on what is considered concealable and what is not.

do you honestly believe that if someone wanted to conceal a shotgun under a trenchcoat to go on a killing spree that not having a permit to carry would stop them??? Do you think that just because this bill proposes to make all weapons concealable that more crazy's will start wearing trenchcoats with shotguns under them???

[tdurr]

# 1039.
when i turn 21 im planning to get a Concealed carrying license. Its a just in case sort of thing for me. Dont really plan on ever having to use it.

[Julio]

GA is not an open carry state. You have to have a GFL to open carry just like you have to have a GFL to conceal carry. GA is one of few states left that do not allow open carry without a license.


Sorry.. I knew that.. I guess I didn't word it right... my bad.


I still think you need your GFL to have any weapon on you.. OC or Concealed.....

[Julio]

# 1039.
when i turn 21 im planning to get a Concealed carrying license. Its a just in case sort of thing for me. Dont really plan on ever having to use it.

With the GFL... you can open carry or conceal...

No concealed license

[BlueHatch]

signed

[allmotoronly]

thanks to everyone who has signed!!!

Reps given

[HypnoToad]

You'll have to excuse me for I have horrible reading comprehension, but I do not see where it says I can carry a blade. Especially one of this nature.

so is it illegal for me to carry a butterfly knife?








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[Frög]

Signed!

[Atlblkz06]

You're gonna carry a gun and do what with it...

I like guns but walking around with one in your pocket is just stupid.

[81911SC]

You're gonna carry a gun and do what with it...

I like guns but walking around with one in your pocket is just stupid.I beg to differ, you seem like the idiot here.

[SampaGuy]

I beg to differ, you seem like the idiot here.


You seem like the paranoid republican redneck here :goodjob:

[BanginJimmy]

You seem like the paranoid republican redneck here :goodjob:


even paranoids have enemies.


Since I have started carrying mine, I have pulled it on someone once but luckily never had to use it.

[81911SC]

You seem like the paranoid republican redneck here :goodjob:If you're that ignorant to the facts then that's your own fault.

:blah: @ you thinking only a few people (paranoid repubican rednecks) carry. A lot of people carry and nobody ever knows (like you) and thats the point.

[ShooterMcGavin]

How many sections are you going to post the same thread in?
as many as it takes. good post and i signed.

[ShooterMcGavin]

so is it illegal for me to carry a butterfly knife?








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yes

[SampaGuy]

I enjoy shooting and I like guns (as in a neat piece of machinery, not as in I feel more like a man when I have one in my pocket type thing). And I support being able to own one and taking it to the shooting range. But I do not support everybody carrying it around everywhere, wtf. Kids walk to school in the streets, little teenage girls go shopping by themselves at the mall, cops catch you for driving by a stop sign, etc. You live in the USA, not fucking Somalia.

[T.C.]

Signed.

[apex2305]

i signed it

[allmotoronly]

I enjoy shooting and I like guns (as in a neat piece of machinery, not as in I feel more like a man when I have one in my pocket type thing). And I support being able to own one and taking it to the shooting range. But I do not support everybody carrying it around everywhere, wtf. Kids walk to school in the streets, little teenage girls go shopping by themselves at the mall, cops catch you for driving by a stop sign, etc. You live in the USA, not fucking Somalia.

wtf does kids walking in the streets or little girls at the mall have to do with it? Do you think that just because someone applies for a GFL and the state approves them that they are going to go out and shoot little kids walking to school or little girls at the mall. What kind of dumb shit are you thinking? Hundreds of thousands of people in GA already have a GFL. You probably pass people every single day who have a GFL and are concealing a pistol, and never even know it. The type of person who has a clean record and takes the time to apply for the license so they can carry a pistol legally and do things the right way is not the kind of person who is going to go out and shoot innocent people. Criminals who have a past record and do not have a license to carry a firearm legally are the types who are most likely to be involved with violent crimes than someone who has a GFL and carrys a pistol for personal protection only. I've had mine for 3 years, and I carry everywhere except work. I've never had to pull mine, but there have been times when I thought I may have to, and having the extra sense of security and being able to stay calm was able to get me through the situation. One time a guy walked up to me in an empty parking lot when I was leaving a store around 9pm in Macon. I was putting bags in the car when I saw this crackhead motherfucker coming up. He had one hand in his coat and the other hand was clinched into a fist. I didn't even give him a chance to try to rob me, I opened my coat and he saw me start to take my pistol out of the holster and he turned around and walked off. Just having the pistol on me made a difference in being robbed and possibly injured.

If you honestly think that people who have a GFL (Which means they have a perfectly clean record by default) are going to go around shooting innocent people, you really are an idiot.

[SampaGuy]

wtf does kids walking in the streets or little girls at the mall have to do with it? Do you think that just because someone applies for a GFL and the state approves them that they are going to go out and shoot little kids walking to school or little girls at the mall. What kind of dumb shit are you thinking?


You did not get what I said at all. If the little girls (who dont own guns) are safe on the streets, so are you. That's what I meant. You need to grow some balls if you don't feel safe without carrying a gun in 99.999% of Georgia. Its over the top, you will probably never use it and you know it. I lived downtown for 2 years, one of those I worked in College Park, the other one in midtown but I had to give rides to a coworker who lived in Bankhead, and Im a skinny white guy. If you are worried about your safety you either hang out with shady people, or you go to areas which are known not to be safe at ridiculous hours at night. Otherwise leave your piece at home.

[BanginJimmy]

Why should I avoid going to a friends house just because he lives on the wrong side of the tracks?

As I sid, I have had to pull mine 1 time in the year or so I have started carrying. I would rather have one on me and not need i than need it and not have it. Do you remember that hiker that was in the GA mounties when she was kidnapped, raped and murdered? She had a concealed carry license, but she left her pistol at home because she was going to a state park where they were not allowed. Now they are allowed in state parks. Just think of the difference for her family if she was carrying that day.



you will probably never use it and you know it.

I hope I never have to use it. I will do anything in my power to keep from pulling that trigger, but I'll be damned if I am someplace that I could be carrying and not have it with me when I need to pull that trigger.

[allmotoronly]

You did not get what I said at all. If the little girls (who dont own guns) are safe on the streets, so are you. That's what I meant. You need to grow some balls if you don't feel safe without carrying a gun in 99.999% of Georgia. Its over the top, you will probably never use it and you know it. I lived downtown for 2 years, one of those I worked in College Park, the other one in midtown but I had to give rides to a coworker who lived in Bankhead, and Im a skinny white guy. If you are worried about your safety you either hang out with shady people, or you go to areas which are known not to be safe at ridiculous hours at night. Otherwise leave your piece at home.


I don't know where you live, but where I live little girls don't go to the mall by themselves. I work in Macon, and spend a lot of time in town there. If you lived there you would learn to carry a gun fast. You seem very naive about how things are in the world. There are a lot of fucked up people who wouldn't think twice about killing you for the $5 in your pocket. I hope I never have to use my firearm on a person, but in this world we live in, the chance is always there that you may run into someone who will take your life for $5 just so they can buy some crack.

[JeremyEvoX]

You did not get what I said at all. If the little girls (who dont own guns) are safe on the streets, so are you. That's what I meant. You need to grow some balls if you don't feel safe without carrying a gun in 99.999% of Georgia. Its over the top, you will probably never use it and you know it. I lived downtown for 2 years, one of those I worked in College Park, the other one in midtown but I had to give rides to a coworker who lived in Bankhead, and Im a skinny white guy. If you are worried about your safety you either hang out with shady people, or you go to areas which are known not to be safe at ridiculous hours at night. Otherwise leave your piece at home.


There are three kind of people in the world:

Sheep - people like you who walk around everyday completely oblivious to what is going on in the world around you.

Wolves - Criminals - people who prey on sheep. You!!!

Sheppards - People like us who are aware of what's going on around us. Always looking for the wolves and protecting the sheep. You better hope a sheppard is around when a wolf is robbing you and your girlfriend/boyfriend at gunpoint.

As a matter of fact, why don't you post a picture of yourself on here so we all know that we need to act on your behalf if we ever see you getting robbed.

I carry my handgun everywhere I go. Even to church.

By the way, I signed.

[BJackson08]

signed

[BJackson08]

I don't know where you live, but where I live little girls don't go to the mall by themselves. I work in Macon, and spend a lot of time in town there. If you lived there you would learn to carry a gun fast. You seem very naive about how things are in the world. There are a lot of fucked up people who wouldn't think twice about killing you for the $5 in your pocket. I hope I never have to use my firearm on a person, but in this world we live in, the chance is always there that you may run into someone who will take your life for $5 just so they can buy some crack.

agreed.....Id rather have it if the time comes then not, you know?

[RedEj8]

I already have a concealed carry permit and carry my gun most of the time. Especially now that there have been 80 armed robberies in Macon since Jan 1st and the cops have had to create a "robbery task force" to deal with it.

Those saying carrying a concealed weapon LEGALLY are ignorant and need to stfu and gtfo.

If you feel safe not carrying a weapon of any kind then fine, don't do it.But leave those of us who want to carry alone. Don't come crying when you get mugged/car jacked/stabbed/ robbed in a store/ your girlfriend,wife or little girls raped right in front of you while you watch helplessly.

-A gun is what puts a 120lb woman on equal grounds with a 220lb man wanting to rape/beat them.

-A gun is what puts the gay guy walking down the street alone on equal grounds with a pack of drunk rednecks looking for a faggot to beat the hell out of.

Take your hippy shit elsewhere-This is the 2nd amendment thread.

[Danny]

I already have a concealed carry permit and carry my gun most of the time. Especially now that there have been 80 armed robberies in Macon since Jan 1st and the cops have had to create a "robbery task force" to deal with it.

Those saying carrying a concealed weapon LEGALLY are ignorant and need to stfu and gtfo.

If you feel safe not carrying a weapon of any kind then fine, don't do it.But leave those of us who want to carry alone. Don't come crying when you get mugged/car jacked/stabbed/ robbed in a store/ your girlfriend,wife or little girls raped right in front of you while you watch helplessly.

-A gun is what puts a 120lb woman on equal grounds with a 220lb man wanting to rape/beat them.

-A gun is what puts the gay guy walking down the street alone on equal grounds with a pack of drunk rednecks looking for a faggot to beat the hell out of.

Take your hippy shit elsewhere-This is the 2nd amendment thread.

agreed. People like PLV crack me up, completely blind to the world. I dont care where you live, if at ANY point in your day you feel 100% safe, your ignorant and setting yourself up to be a statistic.

And to those anti-carry people. If we felt unreasonably unsafe we wouldn't carry pistols (a weak firearm). And yes i feel the need to carry all the time, its one tool in addition to many others that can greatly increase a persons odds. Some people call us paraniod, but the majority of LEOs and military would simply call us aware.

Bottom line is if you want to carry you should be able to. If the thought of law abiding citizens carrying around your kids, wife, you and your family scares you then you have yet to sexually mature. Simple really.

[SampaGuy]

You seem very naive about how things are in the world. There are a lot of fucked up people who wouldn't think twice about killing you for the $5 in your pocket. I hope I never have to use my firearm on a person, but in this world we live in, the chance is always there that you may run into someone who will take your life for $5 just so they can buy some crack.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA


You have no idea dude. Do you know where Im from??? I got a knife put on my throat and on my mom's throat when I was 11. Over $20. My cousin got robbed on the street, not only did they take his wallet, but everything (including shoes, socks, underwear, etc). Had to walk 6 miles home buttnaked at night. That ever happened to any of you???

About your example where the crackhead approached you. Did you have to change your underwear when you got home? As other GSU students on here can tell you, that is almost a daily occurrence when you live in downtown ATL. I keep walking, if they follow me, I can talk my way out of it. Worst case, I'll pull out my cellphone and pretend Im calling the cops. It has the same effect as you pulling out your little toy, they run away.

But arguing gun rights in a forum based in the south is pointless and a waste of my time. So Im done.

Leave your guns at home and grow some balls people!

[allmotoronly]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA


You have no idea dude. Do you know where Im from??? I got a knife put on my throat and on my mom's throat when I was 11. Over $20. My cousin got robbed on the street, not only did they take his wallet, but everything (including shoes, socks, underwear, etc). Had to walk 6 miles home buttnaked at night. That ever happened to any of you???

About your example where the crackhead approached you. Did you have to change your underwear when you got home? As other GSU students on here can tell you, that is almost a daily occurrence when you live in downtown ATL. I keep walking, if they follow me, I can talk my way out of it. Worst case, I'll pull out my cellphone and pretend Im calling the cops. It has the same effect as you pulling out your little toy, they run away.

But arguing gun rights in a forum based in the south is pointless and a waste of my time. So Im done.

Leave your guns at home and grow some balls people!

I don't know about you but I don't have kevlar balls. If you think it is ok to let people rob you and make you walk naked for 6 miles then you are an idiot. If your cousin would have been armed he could have defended himself. If your mom would have been armed she could have shot the fucker who put a knife to her throat and claimed self defense. Are you scared of guns?

Keep being naive. One day you are going to come across someone who won't be deterred by a cell phone. You need to realize that there are some people out there who will kill you over a cellphone. Just because you haven't come across that person yet doesn't mean it won't happen. There are hundreds of murders in GA every year, dozens of them being innocent people who were robbed and killed over what little they had in their pockets.

You say what you want about not having balls, but being tough won't stop bullets or a knife. Crackheads and criminals don't care how big your balls are, all they want is your money, and some will do whatever it takes to get it. You should watch the news more often.

I'll keep carrying my Raging Bull. I'd like to keep the odds on my side in this situation.

[ShooterMcGavin]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA


You have no idea dude. Do you know where Im from??? I got a knife put on my throat and on my mom's throat when I was 11. Over $20. My cousin got robbed on the street, not only did they take his wallet, but everything (including shoes, socks, underwear, etc). Had to walk 6 miles home buttnaked at night. That ever happened to any of you???

About your example where the crackhead approached you. Did you have to change your underwear when you got home? As other GSU students on here can tell you, that is almost a daily occurrence when you live in downtown ATL. I keep walking, if they follow me, I can talk my way out of it. Worst case, I'll pull out my cellphone and pretend Im calling the cops. It has the same effect as you pulling out your little toy, they run away.

But arguing gun rights in a forum based in the south is pointless and a waste of my time. So Im done.

Leave your guns at home and grow some balls people!

wow...after reading this you're either truly ignorant or just down right stupid. either way, it's not doing any good for your safety and the safety of your "balls" which you so pride yourself on having apparently. :no:

[81911SC]

No matter what plv says I'll still be carrying my Sig.

[Danny]

as the same effect as you pulling out your little toy, they run away.



I assure you it does not have the same effect and if you really think that, then no one can help you, not even yourself. If your worst case scenario is a cell phone, then i feel sorry for you.

Allthough a handgun in your hands may be just a toy, I can promise you that in the hands of a well trained person it can be a very effective weapon.

[allmotoronly]

I assure you it does not have the same effect and if you really think that, then no one can help you, not even yourself. If your worst case scenario is a cell phone, then i feel sorry for you.

Allthough a handgun in your hands may be just a toy, I can promise you that in the hands of a well trained person it can be a very effective weapon.

well said, sir.

[HypnoToad]

i wish we lived in a nice world where noone had guns and everyone got along,but we dont live there,and no matter what bad people will always have access to guns,and good people should have thier right to protect themselves.

[eraser4g63]

signed it, I have just under 6 months left on my First offenders probation for possession and manufacture of marijuana that i was charged with just under 5 years ago then all my rights get restored. I will be getting a couple guns and my CCL. As of right now I have been chosen to go to Mandate to become a SWAT medic for the county I work in, I am fucking stoked, how is that for a gun safety course?