My Predicitons.........

[Vteckidd]

DOW will hit 6000 by end of march, 4000 by end of summer when gas prices go up.


ANyone see its down 140pts already this morning, Wait till GM announces its filing bankruptcy.


Its been nice knowing you all

[STRteg]

Not good,not good at all

[eraser4g63]

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/2/7/128784677382189181.jpg
....

[Alan®]

^^^LOL

[BanginJimmy]

DOW will hit 6000 by end of march, 4000 by end of summer when gas prices go up.


It will be at 4k before the end of summer. The Russian Ruble is on the edge of collapsing and the Russians have been buying alot of our debt to secure their ruble. The Chinese economy is in a very severe downturn because of so much lower spending here. This will cause them to buy up less of our debt. The same is true of the japanese economy. The european economy is largly based on ours also and downturns here lead to high prices for the same good there.

By Nov 4 of next year we will see the rule collapse, the euro and the chinese economy will be stagnant, and the dollar will be nearly worthless. This will cause the DOW to look like the NASDAQ and we will see several forturn 500 corporations in bankruptcy or near it. Getting a loan or credit card will be impossible. All of this combined will cause countries to look over their boarders for a greener pasture. It will also push OPEC to drasticly raise oil prices and probably lead to someone attacking them to get control of their oil.

WWIII will be upon us before 2010. I wonder if the first shots will be fired by then.

[eraser4g63]

WWIII will be upon us before 2010. I wonder if the first shots will be fired by then.

its about that time again, but i wonder if the world will glow at the end of it.

[Terror]

Fuck

[BanginJimmy]

its about that time again, but i wonder if the world will glow at the end of it.


It will be non-nuke. We wont shoot first and everyone else knows that its impossible to win a nuke war.


I do expect more than a billion people to die though.

[dorin48]

It will be at 4k before the end of summer. The Russian Ruble is on the edge of collapsing and the Russians have been buying alot of our debt to secure their ruble. The Chinese economy is in a very severe downturn because of so much lower spending here. This will cause them to buy up less of our debt. The same is true of the japanese economy. The european economy is largly based on ours also and downturns here lead to high prices for the same good there.

By Nov 4 of next year we will see the rule collapse, the euro and the chinese economy will be stagnant, and the dollar will be nearly worthless. This will cause the DOW to look like the NASDAQ and we will see several forturn 500 corporations in bankruptcy or near it. Getting a loan or credit card will be impossible. All of this combined will cause countries to look over their boarders for a greener pasture. It will also push OPEC to drasticly raise oil prices and probably lead to someone attacking them to get control of their oil.

WWIII will be upon us before 2010. I wonder if the first shots will be fired by then.

The saddest part is that I believe this to be possible. New question, how do we prepare? :(

[BanginJimmy]

The saddest part is that I believe this to be possible. New question, how do we prepare? :(


Consiering the fact that i thin the war will come to the US this time, get your guns and bullets now. I also reccomend building and stocking your personal bomb shelter now.

[Vteckidd]

Everyone is saying it out in the open right now.

Banks will be nationalized SOON , like in the next few MONTHS. At that time there will be a HUGE run on the banks but they will be govt controlled. Our financial system will start to collapse and unravel even further. Socialism is coming folks, open your eyes all the signs are there.



Stock up on Guns, Ammo, non-perishable food.

Someone build me a Bill and Ted time machine so i can go back in time and get Andrew Jackson and Thomas Jefferson

[BanginJimmy]

Someone build me a Bill and Ted time machine so i can go back in time and get Andrew Jackson and Thomas Jefferson


We may need George Patton, BlackJack Pershing and Douglas MacArthur also.

Thomas Jefferson would commit suicide if he saw what the country he had such a hand in building has turned into.

[seriousb13]

It will be non-nuke. We wont shoot first and everyone else knows that its impossible to win a nuke war.


I do expect more than a billion people to die though.

i think it is going to be a nuke war

[BanginJimmy]

i think it is going to be a nuke war

only 3 potential enemies have nukes, China, Russia and Pakistan. Russia and China have the nukes to flatten the US, but we also have the nukes to flatten them. They will not use them because they have the sanity and common sense to know that. Pakistan has a few nuke bombs and a few short and medium range nuke missles, but we know where those are and we would be able to get to them and take them out of commission before they could be fired off. Even if they were fired, they could not reach the western hemisphere.

Now Iran and N. Korea have been trying to get nukes and I think they would nuke nuke material to make dirty bombs and dirty missles, but those have a VERY small nuke footprint compared to the nukes that the US, China, Russia, France, and England could use.

[SL65AMG]

its about that time again, but i wonder if the world will glow at the end of it.

you know what they say about 2012.....

[SL65AMG]

Everyone is saying it out in the open right now.

Banks will be nationalized SOON , like in the next few MONTHS. At that time there will be a HUGE run on the banks but they will be govt controlled. Our financial system will start to collapse and unravel even further. Socialism is coming folks, open your eyes all the signs are there.



Stock up on Guns, Ammo, non-perishable food.

Someone build me a Bill and Ted time machine so i can go back in time and get Andrew Jackson and Thomas Jefferson


wow someone other than me is realizing this..... ive been saying this for years and everyone thought i was crazy....

[dorin48]

You guys know there are some who say that this whole economy business is just a scare tactic to push shit through.

[SL65AMG]

The saddest part is that I believe this to be possible. New question, how do we prepare? :(


www.survivalblog.com

lots of good information there

[BanginJimmy]

You guys know there are some who say that this whole economy business is just a scare tactic to push shit through.

Obama is spending alot of time using fear to push his agenda, but the economy really is in bad shape right now. Our economy is based as much on confidence in the future as it is in real facts. The truth is that we have no confidence in our elected officials or in busines.

[IndianStig]

I don't think the war will come to America this time round, its gonna be fought all over the oil producing nations.

[BanginJimmy]

I don't think the war will come to America this time round, its gonna be fought all over the oil producing nations.

I agree that it is going to center on the oil producing countries, but we will see combat in the US. It wont come in the form of large scale ground combat though. It will be mostly air to air combat over the costal areas. We will also see air to surface missle attacks on costal areas such as loading docks and ship builders.

We will see some small scale ground combat though because of special forces infiltrating the US and causing trouble.

[SL65AMG]

I agree that it is going to center on the oil producing countries, but we will see combat in the US. It wont come in the form of large scale ground combat though. It will be mostly air to air combat over the costal areas. We will also see air to surface missle attacks on costal areas such as loading docks and ship builders.

We will see some small scale ground combat though because of special forces infiltrating the US and causing trouble.

me and my AR will be here waiting.... lol

[Revmaynard]

I hate to say I agree with all this. Being an atheist I feel my time on Earth is more important than the afterlife, so sadly I feel with the way things are going I might not even get to live my life and enjoy the ups and downs. :(

[SLOWR/T]

Wow this thread is turning into these stupid ass threads......

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198832&page=1

[Alan®]

not really there are several articles out right now that predict this as a worst case scenario.

[YoTa_BoX]

Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

I dont think it will end up being WWIII but we will have a big struggle on our hands soon. People can speculate all they want as far as whats going to happen in the future..and thats all it is..speculation.

Yes we are in very hard times right now but i think that America as a hole will wake up and notice shits got to change and we will fix this situation as a hole.

We should have let those banks and other companies go bankrupt and started a new in the first place but instead the gov chose the lets spend our way out of debt.

There is enough money in circulation to keep this country going strong. We and other nations just have not have got fed up with shit enough..

I think honestly once every one starts feeling hard effects of this economy things will change.

Im optimistic so i could be wrong but id like to think we could come together as a nation and figure a way to fix this shit and quit letting the government fuck things up.

It took a nation to get us in this mess..its going to take that same nation to pull us out. I'm not sure about other countries but maybe they will follow suite.

[§treet_§peed]

we are all fucked in the end, period. Im getting guns currently. i should be going tomorrow, hopefully to pick up a few riffles and pistols. nothing flashy. as lons as it gets the job done thats all that matters. can foods are a must now. people that don't know how to hunt and gather your on food should learn asap. you should learn how to field dress wild animals after killing them. Like i said many times before, IT IS COMING.

[81911SC]

Nobody ever listens to you anyways. Lol, but seriously. They don't.

[§treet_§peed]

But, what I said maybe coming true. Look people are starting to say what the same thing I was.

[Vteckidd]

Interesting was some economists saying its going to take something along the lines of the "dot com boom" or the invention of the internet to pull us out of this.

Every recession sees some kind of "boom" or innovation that seems to bring us out of it. People dont know what that could be, and where we are heading.

Some have argued the legalization of weed is coming ,as a tax revenue, it would give us unbelieveable money , it would spur businesses all over the country , etc

Not saying i agree with it, but i dont disagree either. Kinda neutral but its going to take something drastic like that to bring us out of this, i dont see that yet

[Verik]

Every recession sees some kind of "boom" or innovation that seems to bring us out of it. People dont know what that could be, and where we are heading.

what about the possibility of gaining independence from oil through the form of "green" innovations? The Pickens Plan on like.... steroids perhaps?

[SL65AMG]

Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

I dont think it will end up being WWIII but we will have a big struggle on our hands soon. People can speculate all they want as far as whats going to happen in the future..and thats all it is..speculation.

Yes we are in very hard times right now but i think that America as a hole will wake up and notice shits got to change and we will fix this situation as a hole.

We should have let those banks and other companies go bankrupt and started a new in the first place but instead the gov chose the lets spend our way out of debt.

There is enough money in circulation to keep this country going strong. We and other nations just have not have got fed up with shit enough..

I think honestly once every one starts feeling hard effects of this economy things will change.

Im optimistic so i could be wrong but id like to think we could come together as a nation and figure a way to fix this shit and quit letting the government fuck things up.

It took a nation to get us in this mess..its going to take that same nation to pull us out. I'm not sure about other countries but maybe they will follow suite.


in case you havent noticed, there are MULTIPLE states with MASSIVE deficits, some in the billions of dollars, along with the US deficit being around 11 TRILLION.... we do not have enough money....OBVIOUSLY!!!

[SL65AMG]

what about the possibility of gaining independence from oil through the form of "green" innovations? The Pickens Plan on like.... steroids perhaps?

im all for the green-building method of construction. I work in construction myself and ive done a lot of research on the concept of "Eco-Friendly" building and it just makes sense...

[Alan®]

what about the possibility of gaining independence from oil through the form of "green" innovations? The Pickens Plan on like.... steroids perhaps?
not gonna be enough simply because its not cost effective yet.

[BanginJimmy]

Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

I dont think it will end up being WWIII but we will have a big struggle on our hands soon. People can speculate all they want as far as whats going to happen in the future..and thats all it is..speculation.

Yes we are in very hard times right now but i think that America as a hole will wake up and notice shits got to change and we will fix this situation as a hole.

We should have let those banks and other companies go bankrupt and started a new in the first place but instead the gov chose the lets spend our way out of debt.

There is enough money in circulation to keep this country going strong. We and other nations just have not have got fed up with shit enough..

I think honestly once every one starts feeling hard effects of this economy things will change.

Im optimistic so i could be wrong but id like to think we could come together as a nation and figure a way to fix this shit and quit letting the government fuck things up.

It took a nation to get us in this mess..its going to take that same nation to pull us out. I'm not sure about other countries but maybe they will follow suite.

You are thinking far too small scale. This isnt an american recession, it is global. Not every country is as well equipped to handle it as the US is either. Many smaller countries are going to look beyond their own barders for the keys to prosperiety.

[BanginJimmy]

what about the possibility of gaining independence from oil through the form of "green" innovations? The Pickens Plan on like.... steroids perhaps?

If there is an innovation, but I seriously doubt there will be large enough of one to make us independant of foreign oil, not to mention oil completely. To be completely independant of oil would mean the end of plastics and every other petroleum based material we use.

Phase 1 of pulling out of this needs ot be producing our own oil though. Contrary to the liberal belief system, you can work on alternative fuels while benefitting from the ones we currently have. There is no alternative power source other than nuclear that can even start to replace oil. Wind, solar and geothermal are far too inefficient to use on a large scale. NG would raise the price of NG to a point that it would out of reach for most people. Electric, we you need something to power those batteries from so thats out. Ethanol, well, just look at how inefficient it is. It takes more energy to produce it than it creates. On top of that only an idiot would use food for fuel.

[tatodotcom]

If there is an innovation, but I seriously doubt there will be large enough of one to make us independant of foreign oil, not to mention oil completely. To be completely independant of oil would mean the end of plastics and every other petroleum based material we use.

Phase 1 of pulling out of this needs ot be producing our own oil though. Contrary to the liberal belief system, you can work on alternative fuels while benefitting from the ones we currently have. There is no alternative power source other than nuclear that can even start to replace oil. Wind, solar and geothermal are far too inefficient to use on a large scale. NG would raise the price of NG to a point that it would out of reach for most people. Electric, we you need something to power those batteries from so thats out. Ethanol, well, just look at how inefficient it is. It takes more energy to produce it than it creates. On top of that only an idiot would use food for fuel.


honestly not trying to attack you, but your statement of there is no alternative power source other than nuclear that can even start to replace oil is very, very wrong....amazing what a CURRENT college level course can teach you....just one example; researchers in germany recently figured out how to capture only a fraction of the energy released from a single lighting strike and its power is enough to provide enough energy to New York city for about a week....there is also thousands, yes i said thousands, of natural and experimental gases that have the same exact properties as oil...just because the news and gov't act like they have no idea whats going on with alternative energy doesn't mean there isnt a solution. look up some peer reviewed scientific journals and you'll discover a ton of alternatives to oil use.

[§treet_§peed]

but if we stop using oil. politicians lose money to pad their fat ass with..

[SPOOLIN]

...Ethanol, well, just look at how inefficient it is. It takes more energy to produce it than it creates. On top of that only an idiot would use food for fuel.

thats why GT is perfecting the process of turning PINE into Ethanol. Look for GA to be a leading producer of ethanol in the not so distant future.

As for everything else, We have an arsenal of guns in our family.

[BanginJimmy]

honestly not trying to attack you, but your statement of there is no alternative power source other than nuclear that can even start to replace oil is very, very wrong....amazing what a CURRENT college level course can teach you....just one example; researchers in germany recently figured out how to capture only a fraction of the energy released from a single lighting strike and its power is enough to provide enough energy to New York city for about a week....there is also thousands, yes i said thousands, of natural and experimental gases that have the same exact properties as oil...just because the news and gov't act like they have no idea whats going on with alternative energy doesn't mean there isnt a solution. look up some peer reviewed scientific journals and you'll discover a ton of alternatives to oil use.


I know there are a great many EXPERIMENTAL sources, but nothing that is within a decade to being ready for large scale use. You also have to remember that any source that is not constant is not useful. If that lightning technology is used, what do you use if NY doesnt have a storm for a month? Spend 3 weeks in the dark?

Maybe I wasnt clear enough in my other post. There is no alternative energy source that is ready to be deployed tomorrow even if unlimited funding was provided to create the required infrastructure. That statement holds true for both vehicles and electricity.

[BanginJimmy]

thats why GT is perfecting the process of turning PINE into Ethanol. Look for GA to be a leading producer of ethanol in the not so distant future.

As for everything else, We have an arsenal of guns in our family.

I have heard a little about that but didnt know it was being done at GT. I have also heard about grass/weed clippings, sawdust, and other plant based waste.

[Verik]

thats why GT is perfecting the process of turning PINE into Ethanol. Look for GA to be a leading producer of ethanol in the not so distant future.

As for everything else, We have an arsenal of guns in our family.

I'm pretty sure the "evergreen" state... aka Washington State and the pacific northwest (idaho and oregon) will beat out GA in ethanol production if its being derived from pine trees

['chell]

I found this site last year... http://shtfblog.com/

this is from his October 20th post last year:

"Holy preparedness, Mormon dudes and dudettes!

I’m delivering a very useful link if you haven’t seen it already - the Latter Day Saints Preparedness Manual. I HIGHLY suggest you take a gander at this bad boy, download it, print it, or buy a hard copy for 7 bucks (they sell hard copies right here). You can also view the free pdf version." Here is the link:

http://www.abysmal.com/LDS/Preparedness/Preparedness.pdf

Very interesting stuff...

[SPOOLIN]

I'm pretty sure the "evergreen" state... aka Washington State and the pacific northwest (idaho and oregon) will beat out GA in ethanol production if its being derived from pine trees

Well the article was quoted as "Look for Georgia to be A leading producer of ethanol"

I didn't say georgia would be the MOST, i said and they said "A".

[Total_Blender]

thats why GT is perfecting the process of turning PINE into Ethanol. Look for GA to be a leading producer of ethanol in the not so distant future.

Wait a minute... pine cone liquor is real? :screwy:

http://www.librarything.nl/grouppics/squidbilliesfanscomb.jpg

:lmfao:

[SPOOLIN]

lol i guess. Its true.

[B18c1Turboed]

I think they should wipe all debt out, and everyone start from scratch....:)

[Elbow]

^Truth.

[BanginJimmy]

I think they should wipe all debt out, and everyone start from scratch....:)


I need 30 days notice to go buy a new house that theres no way I could possibly afford first. Might buy me that new DB9 also.

[eraser4g63]

We are already working towards that.

[ahabion]

WWIII, you think that they would implement the draft? Would you go?

[Vteckidd]

I think they should wipe all debt out, and everyone start from scratch....:)
there is talk of that, fight club style.

But, problem is again, who gets off an who doesnt? I mean you cant wipe out debt cause that will cause EVERYONE to go under.

[BanginJimmy]

WWIII, you think that they would implement the draft? Would you go?

There will definately be a draft and yes I would go. You really dont have a choice whether to go or not.

[B18c1Turboed]

WWIII, you think that they would implement the draft? Would you go?

Hell no, im too old to go!!! I would move to mexico,since i have dual citzenship!

[SPOOLIN]

i wouldn't go either especially a war started by economic issues and not a true reason like a tyrannical bastard invading OUR country. OUR LAND!! The draft age is 18-25. Im almost out of that anyways, ill be 25 this year. Even in any other situation honestly i'm a pussy and would run for my life.

Fight club lol. "On a long enough timeline, The survival rate for everything falls to ZERO"

"It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything."

[BanginJimmy]

Even in any other situation honestly i'm a pussy and would run for my life.


At least you admit it.

[Elbow]

You all always think worse case scenarios, it's not like a world war is ABOUT to happen, we aren't all about to die, quit being so scared. You don't KNOW the draft would come. Fear is half the problem during these times, and most everyone who post in this section is scared shitless...lol

[Total_Blender]

Aint' scurred.

It will be tight for the next few years, it will probably get a little worse before it starts getting better. But things will pick back up. I managed to survive while gas was $5 a gallon....

[blacknightteg]

shit happens. thats how i look at it. why worry over it like this if its meant to happen. its gunna happen.

[Elbow]

Of course it will get worse, but it WILL get better, you have to hit rock bottom before you come back up.

[blacknightteg]

Of course it will get worse, but it WILL get better, you have to hit rock bottom before you come back up.

people are to scared to have to start over.

[SPOOLIN]

you never know, this might be rock bottom. oh well

[preferredduck]

its called a controlled collapse people. the rockafellers, jp morgan, rothchild's etc created the fedreal reserve bank, which they own. ever heard of the amero, well its a currncy the ywant to use for the north american union and the only way for them to get it is a collapse of the current system as we know it. they also would like a standard currency for china and africa aswell. think of it like the euro. these people want to own us and unfortunately they will get what they want if we don't get our head out of our asses.

[Elbow]

OH NO LETS BE SCARED

[preferredduck]

Wow this thread is turning into these stupid ass threads......

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198832&page=1

look up the new world order and whats on their agenda and you may think a little harder about this. the people at the top want to cleanse the population and own the rest of us that are lucky enough to survive. no WMD's in iraq, now iran, wtf.

[Elbow]

look up the new world order and whats on their agenda and you may think a little harder about this. the people at the top want to cleanse the population and own the rest of us that are lucky enough to survive. no WMD's in iraq, now iran, wtf.

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: @ NWO

[white24d]

I have read about this North American Union Deal. Bush signed the treaty and no one knew about it. All i know is we are not gonna be the "superpower" when this is all over.

[preferredduck]

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: @ NWO

laugh all u want about the nwo
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-82095917705734983

check this link and video out. the north american union is the first step.

[Elbow]

laugh all u want about the nwo
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-82095917705734983

check this link and video out. the north american union is the first step.

Seen it all before, :lmfao: , stupidest bull shit I have ever heard, anyone who believes that is just :gay:

[preferredduck]

Seen it all before, :lmfao: , stupidest bull shit I have ever heard, anyone who believes that is just :gay:

have you seen the interview with a senator who was asked about the meeting and literally blew up on the reporter and used obscene language. i think some of the stuff is christian BS made to scare people but some things that have happened over the last 10 years makes me wonder, it doesn't mean its all true. did you know that the rockafeller family, rothchild family, and jp morgan(just to name a few) were the ones who basically came up with the federal reserve and had a secret meeting on jekyll island to pass the legislation years ago. did you also know that the bush family made their money by laundering nazi money and selling oil to hitler. there is a paper trail, most people just ignore it. even our founding fathers warned of the same evil, thats why they wanted away from britain. like i said its not all true, but something is going on.

[Elbow]

Sure, but I can also make up conspiracies and twist things around to make people believe whatever it looks like as well..

[preferredduck]

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/jpg/P200063-1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/gallery.html&usg=__byw8tI2Iw5sSiP7oCXOnQ86XxRU=&h=1274&w=1648&sz=306&hl=en&start=31&um=1&tbnid=IELhFT1aXAahCM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Daerial%2Bphotos%2Bfrom%2Bflight%2B93% 26start%3D21%26ndsp%3D21%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3 DN

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/13/plane-crashes-into-house_n_166609.html

compare the wreckage photos, one thing that has gotten me for years is there is little to no wreckage at flight 93, then look at photos of every other plane crash in history and you can tell it was a plane. that has really bothered me, and don't tell me it melted because the most recent crash was into a house. kind of makes you wonder after a while.

[preferredduck]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1558669.stm

and another link that makes things seem funny. it makes me wonder but thats about it.

[Elbow]

9/11 conspiracies are totally different then what we are talking about here...

[preferredduck]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EbHl7reyMY&feature=related

NORTH AMERICAN UNION, I LOVE LOU DOBBS.

[Elbow]

Yep still don't believe anything...lol

[preferredduck]

Yep still don't believe anything...lol

its all theory until shit hits the fan. what about the supposive fema coffins in madison, im thinkin about going to check em out later this week, maybe i'll get shot at maybe not. my dad is retired military and some of the things he read/saw that were calssified disturbed him. he used to be all about uncle sam, not so much anymore, and he srved his whole life to the gov't. did you look at the pics of the flights, thats one thing that boggles me is the wreckage, my brother is a machinist and knows a lot about metal and he doesn't understand certain things(engineer brain) on these events aswell. every person is entitled to their opinions,im not saying its true but some things look fishy and you cant read one article and jump to a conclusion.

[preferredduck]

9/11 conspiracies are totally different then what we are talking about here...

yes they are different, but if its all connected thats when a lot of rights were stripped from the people(patriot act) and in my opinion when the ecomy started going down. i have been in sales for years and since we went to iraq sales has sucked!! i still think we will have an amero soon. i definately think the market will go the lowest it has ever been by summer. since the stimulus was passed the market has dropped like a rock, except today for some reason.

[Vteckidd]

Sure, but I can also make up conspiracies and twist things around to make people believe whatever it looks like as well..
There is some truth to the Amero conspiracy talks. i forget the bankers name, but basically the person from the UK that rigged thier stock market.

He owned all the newspapers, and basically falsely leaked that Napolean had won the war, everyone sold off everything he bought it all up, then when it was found out Napolean had lost, he made BILLIONS over night.

There is alot of stuff going on behind the scenes we do not know about. Do i believe in the the 9/11 conspiracy, no, but do i believe there is stuff happening and people WANTING us to fail, yes.

I mean how do you explain Congress passing 800 BILLION in a matter of DAYS, and now, people are saying "it wont really do anything"

This is how revolutions start

[Vteckidd]

There is alot of stuff going on too that people cant really fathom if you try to explain it. i have a friend that was telling me years ago about police state, and how its coming to the US. I thought yea sure, riiiiiiight.

The signs are all around us now, BIG Government, Patriot Act intruding on our freedoms more and more that it was ever intended to be, Banning of weapons looms on the horizon, the US GOvt HAS TO KNOW that what they are doing is going to destroy our currency yet they keep pumping more an more out, total loss of control over GOVT by the people, Biometric scans going into public places, Banks being nationalized, Socialism taking over which will lead to Fascism ..........

Wonder how it was when Hitler was around or Stalin

[preferredduck]

There is some truth to the Amero conspiracy talks. i forget the bankers name, but basically the person from the UK that rigged thier stock market.

He owned all the newspapers, and basically falsely leaked that Napolean had won the war, everyone sold off everything he bought it all up, then when it was found out Napolean had lost, he made BILLIONS over night.

There is alot of stuff going on behind the scenes we do not know about. Do i believe in the the 9/11 conspiracy, no, but do i believe there is stuff happening and people WANTING us to fail, yes.

I mean how do you explain Congress passing 800 BILLION in a matter of DAYS, and now, people are saying "it wont really do anything"

This is how revolutions start
same story for the great depression, jp morgan, rockafeller set up the markets to crash and bought most of america for pennies on the dollar. it explains the treasury part in zetgeist, it also has a part on religion and 9/11. the religion and fed parts of the movie are the best. i am not fully sold on 9/11 but some of the evidence makes you wonder, even a man out there says he found thermite and can trace to which company made it. watch this 2 hour video, some is BS but some is good.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

btw simon, we may disagree on some things, but i still like you. do you still have the miata, or was that someone else im thinking of.

[Vteckidd]

Of course it will get worse, but it WILL get better, you have to hit rock bottom before you come back up.
What makes you think we are NEAR bottom now?

What happens when we are at 20% unemployment and 20% Inflation? What happens when your dollar is almost worth 80% that what it is RIGHT NOW.

DOnt say it isnt possible, EVERY one , even DICK MORRIS is talking about Hyperinlfation in the next 1-2 years. Dick morris for christs sake.

Where you think all this money is coming from?

[preferredduck]

There is alot of stuff going on too that people cant really fathom if you try to explain it. i have a friend that was telling me years ago about police state, and how its coming to the US. I thought yea sure, riiiiiiight.

The signs are all around us now, BIG Government, Patriot Act intruding on our freedoms more and more that it was ever intended to be, Banning of weapons looms on the horizon, the US GOvt HAS TO KNOW that what they are doing is going to destroy our currency yet they keep pumping more an more out, total loss of control over GOVT by the people, Biometric scans going into public places, Banks being nationalized, Socialism taking over which will lead to Fascism ..........

Wonder how it was when Hitler was around or Stalin

hitler had the reishcstag(however its spelled)fire, and bush had 9/11. an interesting point in barbara bushes book was marvin bush was head of security at the WTC until his last day on sept 10, 2001. its in her damn book.

[Elbow]

I can't believe the "FEMA" coffins was really mentioned LMFAO. I went and saw them, you should probably talk to the plant right there that makes the stuff :lmfao:

I am sure the government paid them to lie though. ;)

You all need to quit watching Youtube videos and quit watching the news 24/7, times have been worse, chill out lol.

[preferredduck]

I can't believe the "FEMA" coffins was really mentioned LMFAO. I went and saw them, you should probably talk to the plant right there that makes the stuff :lmfao:

I am sure the government paid them to lie though. ;)

You all need to quit watching Youtube videos and quit watching the news 24/7, times have been worse, chill out lol.

i don't sit around and watch youtube videos and the news, yes it has been worse(great depression) hell the year i was born we were in a recession and many times after that. the fema coffins couls gomany ways, like for sending in supplies in a flooded city, etc, but why does the cdc lease the land. it can make one wonder though.

[Elbow]

i don't sit around and watch youtube videos and the news, yes it has been worse(great depression) hell the year i was born we were in a recession and many times after that. the fema coffins couls gomany ways, like for sending in supplies in a flooded city, etc, but why does the cdc lease the land. it can make one wonder though.

Go talk to the people who own the business. What's so scary about having coffin lining ready for a disaster? Such as a hurricane, a CDC attack, etc. That's not scary that's called looking ahead. If they didn't plan ahead and be ready if something did happen and they had to wait for those they would be fussed at forever.

That issue with those "coffins" was fixed months ago, the truth is out, who owns them, who makes them, etc. It's nothing special, they have been there for YEARS.

[Vteckidd]

Some have argued the legalization of weed is coming ,as a tax revenue, it would give us unbelieveable money , it would spur businesses all over the country , etc

Not saying i agree with it, but i dont disagree either. Kinda neutral but its going to take something drastic like that to bring us out of this, i dont see that yet


BREAKING


Speaking at a landmark press conference today, California Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco) introduced comprehensive legislation to tax and regulate the commercial production and sale of cannabis in a manner similar to alcohol.

"With the state in the midst of an historic economic crisis, the move towards regulating and taxing marijuana is simply common sense. This legislation would generate much needed revenue for the state, restrict access to only those over 21, end the environmental damage to our public lands from illicit crops, and improve public safety by redirecting law enforcement efforts to more serious crimes", Assemblyman Ammiano said. "California has the opportunity to be the first state in the nation to enact a smart, responsible public policy for the control and regulation of marijuana."

The proposal is the first marijuana legalization bill ever introduced in California.
"It's time for California taxpayers to stop wasting money trying to enforce marijuana prohibition, and to realize the tax benefits from a legal, regulated market instead," said Dale Gieringer, director of California NORML, a sponsor of the bill.

As introduced, Ammiano's measure would allow for the licensed production and sale of cannabis to consumers age 21 and over. Licensed cultivators would pay an excise tax of $50 per ounce of cannabis. In addition, the proposal would impose a sales tax on commercial sales. (Ammiano's proposal would not affect the state's medical marijuana law, allowing patients and caregivers to grow their own medicine.)

If enacted, the measure would raise over $1 billion per year in state revenue, according to an economic analysis by California NORML, available online here: http://www.canorml.org/background/CA_legalization2.html

Ammiano's bill comes at a time of growing public support for legalizing marijuana. A recent Zogby poll reported that nearly six in ten west coast voters support taxing and regulating marijuana like alcohol. Faced with a $40 billion budget deficit, other public officials have joined in endorsing Ammiano's bill, including San Francisco Sheriff Mike Hennessy and Betty Yee, a member of the State Board of Equalization, which oversees collection of sales taxes.
Currently, tens of millions of dollars are paid annually in state and local taxes by licensed distributors of medical marijuana. However, these sales only represent a fraction of the overall statewide marijuana market. "The millions of dollars raised each on the sales of medicinal cannabis is only the tip of the iceberg," Gieringer said. "Kudos to Assemblyman Ammiano for proposing a path-breaking bill that would benefit our economy, safety and freedom by making marijuana a winning proposition for California."

[YoTa_BoX]

Some of you guys on here need to start an IA cult and put on your snuggies and purple sneakers and wait for the comet to come by.


Seriously all this doom and gloom shit is retarded.

[BanginJimmy]

I love conspiracy theorists. They use half truths and straight up lies and try to spin them off as fact. My favorite is definately the WTC ones though. The NWO is another good one, but still not nearly as funny as the WTC.

As far as everyone being scared, I guess we should blame that on the fear mongerer sitting in the Oval Office. It seems like everytime he says something the markets drop 5%. My personal fears come from hyper-inflation, drasticly higher taxes on businesses, and decreased national secuirty. Add to that, no confidence in the moron sitting in the oval office, or any of the other morons sitting in their plush offices on Capitol Hill. All of this happening in a time that countries that are less equipped to handle these hard times may look across borders for an answer leads me to be VERY worried about the future. Now today I hear that Congress wants to pass another 410B bill. Since we couldnt afford the 700B bill last year and the 790B bill this year, where are getting the money to pay for this one? This year alone we will run somewhere in the area of a 2.5T debt. This means that Obama will have amassed half of what Bush did in 8 years in less than 2 months. I guess there goes fiscal responsibility. The Chinese already dont want to buy our debt and they wont buy much more without a drastic increase in intrest rates. When that happens we can say hello to 20%+ intrest rates again.

[Elbow]

Some of you guys on here need to start an IA cult and put on your snuggies and purple sneakers and wait for the comet to come by.


Seriously all this doom and gloom shit is retarded.

:goodjob: repped.

[BanginJimmy]

BREAKING


Speaking at a landmark press conference today, California Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco) introduced comprehensive legislation to tax and regulate the commercial production and sale of cannabis in a manner similar to alcohol.

"With the state in the midst of an historic economic crisis, the move towards regulating and taxing marijuana is simply common sense. This legislation would generate much needed revenue for the state, restrict access to only those over 21, end the environmental damage to our public lands from illicit crops, and improve public safety by redirecting law enforcement efforts to more serious crimes", Assemblyman Ammiano said. "California has the opportunity to be the first state in the nation to enact a smart, responsible public policy for the control and regulation of marijuana."

The proposal is the first marijuana legalization bill ever introduced in California.
"It's time for California taxpayers to stop wasting money trying to enforce marijuana prohibition, and to realize the tax benefits from a legal, regulated market instead," said Dale Gieringer, director of California NORML, a sponsor of the bill.

As introduced, Ammiano's measure would allow for the licensed production and sale of cannabis to consumers age 21 and over. Licensed cultivators would pay an excise tax of $50 per ounce of cannabis. In addition, the proposal would impose a sales tax on commercial sales. (Ammiano's proposal would not affect the state's medical marijuana law, allowing patients and caregivers to grow their own medicine.)

If enacted, the measure would raise over $1 billion per year in state revenue, according to an economic analysis by California NORML, available online here: http://www.canorml.org/background/CA_legalization2.html

Ammiano's bill comes at a time of growing public support for legalizing marijuana. A recent Zogby poll reported that nearly six in ten west coast voters support taxing and regulating marijuana like alcohol. Faced with a $40 billion budget deficit, other public officials have joined in endorsing Ammiano's bill, including San Francisco Sheriff Mike Hennessy and Betty Yee, a member of the State Board of Equalization, which oversees collection of sales taxes.
Currently, tens of millions of dollars are paid annually in state and local taxes by licensed distributors of medical marijuana. However, these sales only represent a fraction of the overall statewide marijuana market. "The millions of dollars raised each on the sales of medicinal cannabis is only the tip of the iceberg," Gieringer said. "Kudos to Assemblyman Ammiano for proposing a path-breaking bill that would benefit our economy, safety and freedom by making marijuana a winning proposition for California."


We have been hearing rumblings of this out of Cali for a while. I'm not suprised that it came up now considering the 52B deficit Cali is running.

[2.0lturbo4]

People can say what they want. Most peole are to stupid to realize that this whole country has been hijacked and we are heading into complete Facism. Consolidation and Corporatzation is happening right infront of your eyes. The money structure is being manipulated and the treasury is being ripped off by the largest criminal con job in the history of the world.
Has everyone in this country forgotten about world history. This is not the first time this has happened. Just look at what happened to Argentina in 1999-2000. The media is programming and controling the SHEEPLE PEOPLE! People are so focused on things that have nothing to do with the true reality of what is happening around them. People need to have a reality check and relize that this country is heading for a complete breakdown. Why are they trying to take all the guns away from private citizens? They are increasing the police state faster than you can blink.
If you are dumb enough to think that the goverment has your best intrest in mind you must be delusional.
WAKE UP AMERICA!

Start making preparations this country is going to see times that people will not even be able to image! Does anyone ever remember talking to your grand parents or great grand parents about the depression that going to look like the golden years!

Guns, Ammo, Long term food storage, Learn how to plant a garden and grow your own food, GOLD and Silver for when the dollar collapses

AND BIGGEST THING GET OUT OF DEBT.

[Elbow]

People can say what they want. Most peole are to stupid to realize that this whole country has been hijacked and we are heading into complete Facism. Consolidation and Corporatzation is happening right infront of your eyes. The money structure is being manipulated and the treasury is being ripped off by the largest criminal con job in the history of the world.
Has everyone in this country forgotten about world history. This is not the first time this has happened. Just look at what happened to Argentina in 1999-2000. The media is programming and controling the SHEEPLE PEOPLE! People are so focused on things that have nothing to do with the true reality of what is happening around them. People need to have a reality check and relize that this country is heading for a complete breakdown. Why are they trying to take all the guns away from private citizens? They are increasing the police state faster than you can blink.
If you are dumb enough to think that the goverment has your best intrest in mind you must be delusional.
WAKE UP AMERICA!

Start making preparations this country is going to see times that people will not even be able to image! Does anyone ever remember talking to your grand parents or great grand parents about the depression that going to look like the golden years!

Guns, Ammo, Long term food storage, Learn how to plant a garden and grow your own food, GOLD and Silver for when the dollar collapses

AND BIGGEST THING GET OUT OF DEBT.

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[BanginJimmy]

:lmfao::



I quit reading his posts after the first one. They werent worth the brainpower it took to read.

[Elbow]

I quit reading his posts after the first one. They werent worth the brainpower it took to read.

Pretty entertaining though lolol. I am going to go buy some donkeys and plows next week to start getting my field ready.

[BanginJimmy]

Pretty entertaining though lolol. I am going to go buy some donkeys and plows next week to start getting my field ready.

be careful though, pay with cash and leave no tracks or the govt will confiscate them.

[Elbow]

be careful though, pay with cash and leave no tracks or the govt will confiscate them.

Thanks for the heads up :goodjob:

[Vteckidd]

:lmfao:
So the FED artificially controlling interest rates that steered us into this mess doesnt constitute the GOVT playing God?

The FEd manipulating our currency isnt "police state"

The Democrats trying to get rid of AR isnt "police state"

Pumping ungodly amounts of money into our financial system essentially propping up companies that are not viable is ok?

Spending 800 billion we dont have after the first 700 billion didnt do anything is fine?

The main stream news media talking about Nationalization of the Banks isnt a warning sign?

What more do you want? You say you dont watch main stream media, wondering what kool aid you are drinking.

[Vteckidd]

Theres even more than that, but im not going to argue with someome who can barely drink

Some of the stuff is pretty crazy people are talking about, but there is going to be a crash the likes we have never seen and its coming soon.

Stock up on food, guns, ammo, etc. Go read any of the Ticket Forums, guys that do this for a living are talking about how bad its going to get, if you think its bad now, wait till AIG posts a 150 billion dollar quartely loss, what happens then>?

Yo uknow there is about 100 more dominoes to fall, and we havent even hit the tip of the iceberg yet.

Signs are there, just do some research.

When the DOW hits 2000 im coming in here to LOL at you

[Vteckidd]

The country has been hijacked, 60+% OPPOSED the stimulus and it went through anyway.

Hows that for representation

[preferredduck]

Theres even more than that, but im not going to argue with someome who can barely drink

Some of the stuff is pretty crazy people are talking about, but there is going to be a crash the likes we have never seen and its coming soon.

Stock up on food, guns, ammo, etc. Go read any of the Ticket Forums, guys that do this for a living are talking about how bad its going to get, if you think its bad now, wait till AIG posts a 150 billion dollar quartely loss, what happens then>?

Yo uknow there is about 100 more dominoes to fall, and we havent even hit the tip of the iceberg yet.

Signs are there, just do some research.


When the DOW hits 2000 im coming in here to LOL at you

the bad part is AIG is asking for more money as it is, where did the 1st 150billion go.
citigroup lost like 90% of its value, along with bank of america, merryll lynch, and many many others. Citi is already openly talking about nationalizing. the sad part is housing is what started all this, the deregulation of mortgages in the last decade made half of this mess, and the other half was done by greedy people. legalizing herbs nationwide would be good and would generate"green" jobs and would generate a lot of revenue. and yes they are trying to take our guns away. and yes jimmy everyday(except today) that obama has talked of the economythe stock market has dropped. and vteckidd a lot of economists that are very smart say the stimulus will do little to nothing. and the first 700B was a joke, it helped put is in more debt to people we don't want to be in debt to.

BTW simon where are the WMD's in iraq, since you know it all and the gov't doesn't do any wrong please explain that one for me because as it sits bush commited high crimes on that subject.

[blacknightteg]

if yall think all this is bad, then do something about it. stop sitting around here typing on IA and bitching that the world and the country is coming to an end. if it is, stand up for what you believe in and do something about it. bitching like you are, telling people how blind they are isn't going to do anything, especially if everyone is a "sheeple." if what you say happens. then it happens, shit happens. get over it. every country has to go through ups and downs. now im not saying i want it to, but if it has to happen it has to happen. the only way to stop or control it is to stand up for what you believe in.

[white24d]

The signs are all around us now, BIG Government, Patriot Act intruding on our freedoms more and more that it was ever intended to be, Banning of weapons looms on the horizon,

Man have any of you tried to buy ammo or shoot recreationally like I do lately?
People are buying up every bullet in the state, it's crazy. Obama will not ban guns, it wont happen. What the hell is going on?:thinking:

[Vteckidd]

if yall think all this is bad, then do something about it. stop sitting around here typing on IA and bitching that the world and the country is coming to an end. if it is, stand up for what you believe in and do something about it. bitching like you are, telling people how blind they are isn't going to do anything, especially if everyone is a "sheeple." if what you say happens. then it happens, shit happens. get over it. every country has to go through ups and downs. now im not saying i want it to, but if it has to happen it has to happen. the only way to stop or control it is to stand up for what you believe in.
Ok , lets just DO something about it! God, why did i think of that!

You realize the VAST majority of America is uneducated when it comes to social issues. So typing in here is DOING something, its showing the side that most people dont know exists.

Just cause you people choose NOT to believe it, or even do your own research on the matter doesnt meant its not true. I have seen a bunch of "HAHA LOL " posts but NO ONE is aruging the other side or even responded to the questions i posted.

Write your congressman! oh wait, they dont listen to us anyway.

[blacknightteg]

Ok , lets just DO something about it! God, why did i think of that!

You realize the VAST majority of America is uneducated when it comes to social issues. So typing in here is DOING something, its showing the side that most people dont know exists.

Just cause you people choose NOT to believe it, or even do your own research on the matter doesnt meant its not true. I have seen a bunch of "HAHA LOL " posts but NO ONE is aruging the other side or even responded to the questions i posted.

Write your congressman! oh wait, they dont listen to us anyway.

look, i am not saying that none of it is true, hell it maybe, but its not going to stop if it is true if no one does anything about it. you doing what your doing by posting on here isnt going to do a lot. i mean you said it yourself. all you get is the "haha lol" posts. i dont post in here that much because i don't do a lot of research on stuff like that. ill admit it. but i still have my view points.

the thing that bugs me about a lot of the posts that are done on here is that the are immediately turned towards the downfall of something. i mean hell just cause you did research and are judging by statistics, how the fuck do you know bad shit will happen? and to be honest, so be it, if it does it does. we as a country put ourselves into the mess. it wasnt our government, it was our people. if we were smart enough to think on our own two feel. which were not. then we could have done something about the corruption in washington a long time ago.

[Vteckidd]

All i will say is, if more people know what Peter Schiff was saying 3 years ago maybe we wouldnt be in this predicament.

YOutube him

[white24d]

I just ordered my fallout shelter............
Wal-Mart has them on special.

Jesus Christ , this stock up on guns and ammo, food, plant a garden is fucking bull shit. Lets be real, times are fucked up. If people keep freaking out things will get worse.

[white24d]

And seriously it's too late for this , we should have listened to what's his name in 1999. Its here at our door and the recession isnt going anywhere until action is taken.

[Vteckidd]

I just ordered my fallout shelter............
Wal-Mart has them on special.

Jesus Christ , this stock up on guns and ammo, food, plant a garden is fucking bull shit. Lets be real, times are fucked up. If people keep freaking out things will get worse.
WHY do you think it is so far fetched?

http://www.ltadvisors.net/Info/DJIAForecast_files/image004.jpg

"The chart above from Steven Williams at CyclePro.com shows the Dow Jones Industrial Average adjusted for inflation since 1800. As you can see, when the effects of inflation have been extracted, the DJIA is much more cyclical than Wall Street promoters would care to admit. In optimistic peaks of 1834, 1906, 1929, and 1966 the DJIA subsequently moved to the bottom of the long term trend channel. These bear markets were either inflationary, such as the 1966-1982 bear market or deflationary such as in 1929-1932. We have also noticed that inflationary/deflationary crashes tend to alternate. We suppose this is because Mr. Market likes to fool even the bears. Today we are again at the top of the trend channel. How will we fall? Most bears remember and fear the stagflation of the 1970s. However with debt levels currently high, inflation cannot be maintained for an extended length of time. Debtors would merely file for bankruptcy or foreclosure (as they have begun recently). Instead a deflationary spiral similar to 1929-1933 or 1834-1842 is likely. It appears the rule of alternation will continue.

This chart also shows possible future levels for the Dow Jones Industrial Average. According to the trend lines followed since 1800, the DJIA could reasonably fall to 3000 by 2012. This is our target."
http://www.ltadvisors.net/Info/DJIAForecast.htm


WHat do you think is going to happen when the bottom drops out an we are at 2000-3000 on the DJIA and unemployment which is rising rapidly is at 20%?

these are "doom an gloom" this is VERY MUCH REAL

[Vteckidd]

And seriously it's too late for this , we should have listened to what's his name in 1999. Its here at our door and the recession isnt going anywhere until action is taken.
Ever heard of learning from your mistakes

[Elbow]

You know "VTECKIDD" I really use to think you might be a little smart. But your head is so far up your ass you are just another scared ass pussy American. Quit fucking crying and reading artificial rumors and making everything to be out the worse it can. You sound as smart as a inbred redneck saying stock up on guns and ammo as well as food. The economy COULD start to see a change soon, nobody knows, it doesn't follow a pattern, only when you try to make it that way.

You are doing nothing good by sitting around and posting your "theories" on a car website. You sound like one of those insane old men who "Saw a UFO and got anal raped."

Do you have ANYTHING positive to say? Why are some companies doing A LOT better now? Why are some people doing great right now?

Quit crying, be happy for what you have, shit will get better. Not even worth arguing your bullshit stories and your "predictions" when all you know is what you read.

[white24d]

Ever heard of learning from your mistakes

Exactly, I totally agree. WHen you tell people that their world will collapse in front of them they freak. We are always 5 minutes away from a nuclear holocaust. ALWAYS . THe world will keep on turning. I am going to live my life the way I see fit. I will work and study hard until I reach my goals. If the country fails and everyone starves , well that is gonna suck. If not then we can continue on our path until the next speedbump slows us down.

[Elbow]

I truly believe half this problem is idiots like in here installing fear into stupid people who believe everything they here. Hell I could send a letter in about my people for money thread it be posted on the news and VtecFag will make a thread telling everyone Nazi America is about to happen.

[Vteckidd]

You know "VTECKIDD" I really use to think you might be a little smart. But your head is so far up your ass you are just another scared ass pussy American. Quit fucking crying and reading artificial rumors and making everything to be out the worse it can. You sound as smart as a inbred redneck saying stock up on guns and ammo as well as food. The economy COULD start to see a change soon, nobody knows, it doesn't follow a pattern, only when you try to make it that way.

You are doing nothing good by sitting around and posting your "theories" on a car website. You sound like one of those insane old men who "Saw a UFO and got anal raped."

Do you have ANYTHING positive to say? Why are some companies doing A LOT better now? Why are some people doing great right now?

Quit crying, be happy for what you have, shit will get better. Not even worth arguing your bullshit stories and your "predictions" when all you know is what you read.


exactly the kind of idiotic euphoria that im talking about

[Elbow]

exactly the kind of idiotic euphoria that im talking about

Yeah, because you sound so smart only stating rumors and myths, you dumb fuck.

[white24d]

lets get along gentlemen!!!!!!

[Vteckidd]

Yeah, because you sound so smart only stating rumors and myths, you dumb fuck.
RUmors? how is any of this rumors? i have stated charts and facts by people that are WAY more educated that you an i combined.

I have yet to see you post anything of substance

[Elbow]

RUmors? how is any of this rumors? i have stated charts and facts by people that are WAY more educated that you an i combined.

I have yet to see you post anything of substance

If all you post is so true, why hasn't the media swallowed it up?

Charts and "facts" by people not that great, and also very close minded such as yourself. I can send you a link to news channels and you can read those? :???: I have done just as much research as you, have family in the government, and I have yet to find anything that I truly believe or really see happening. You think the police state is coming, so you think the United States will turn into a country like North Korea... :screwy:

You also post your fear on "proposals" anything proposed you jump in, put something you are worried about with it, and say oh shit.

It's clear you are extremely horrified about this situation.

[Vteckidd]

If all you post is so true, why hasn't the media swallowed it up?

Charts and "facts" by people not that great, and also very close minded such as yourself. I can send you a link to news channels and you can read those? :???: I have done just as much research as you, have family in the government, and I have yet to find anything that I truly believe or really see happening. You think the police state is coming, so you think the United States will turn into a country like North Korea... :screwy:

You also post your fear on "proposals" anything proposed you jump in, put something you are worried about with it, and say oh shit.

It's clear you are extremely horrified about this situation.


AHH The MEDIA DOESNT ADMIT IT SO ITS NOT TRUE!!

Sure, they have a dog in this hunt, his name is Obama.

[Elbow]

AHH The MEDIA DOESNT ADMIT IT SO ITS NOT TRUE!!

Sure, they have a dog in this hunt, his name is Obama.

No, but the media usually jumps on anything that may really stir some shit. You get your "facts" from the lowest forms ever, you read those tabloids in the checkout line of a store and come back posting Brittany Spears had a 39943lb baby horse.

[Vteckidd]

No, but the media usually jumps on anything that may really stir some shit. You get your "facts" from the lowest forms ever, you read those tabloids in the checkout line of a store and come back posting Brittany Spears had a 39943lb baby horse.
WHat are you talking about?

Are you that delusional?

Peter Schiff, CEO EuroPAC INTL (Economic Advisor to Ron Paul)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOyyRhJRsy8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrxzWWkZlr0

NOTE THE DATE ON THIS ONE(2 Years Ago)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I0QN-FYkpw&feature=related

Recent Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMdF1CiQAkA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGdj3Gx4A8w&feature=related

^^^ THATS STEVE FORBES AND PETER SCHIFF, but i guess they are all loons! If these guys are all quacks why are prominent news organizations continuing to put them on?

Just cause you dont want to believe it, doesnt mean it isnt true. These are guys that have been doing this for YEARS, not some conspiracy third world website.

When you spend money an prop up stuff like we are doing, its going to collapse. The GOVT artificially controlled interest rates, RIGGED and COOKED their OWN BOOKS. And that doesnt scare you? and you think THEY are the ones who are going to fix this?


http://www.ltadvisors.net/Info/DJIAForecast_files/image004.jpg

How can you argue numbers? they dont lie

[Elbow]

I have seen those before, I believe we have PROBLEMS, but not the USA will collapse.

[blacknightteg]

im with simon. to me it seems like that all you want to post is the doom and the gloom shit. like i said if you want something done. run for an office start up a movement, do something. otherwise your bitching and moaning about shit that you think will happen just because a chart says so may happen. or it may not. simon is right. there are plenty of businesses that are doing god right now. what does that mean? well probably that our country is going in a new direction, should it not? yes, it should our country is so fucking scared of change that they want nothing different. this is why all you fags that are dissing what is going on right now are talking all this doom and gloom shit, because its all different. its not the normal "cover up and dont tell the american idiots anything" shits getting thrown out to the forefront now. i think thats a good thing. people like you an a few others in this thread are why this country is going down hill. you all are the ones that are making people not buy shit.

i said this in another thread: the reason banks arent lending is because people like you are telling the average american that the economy is going down hill. which makes people not want to buy anything. if there was none of that. people may start to wise up and buy things, which in turn would probably make banks start lending because they see people being a little more lenient with their money. its all about cause and effect. all the causes and effects that you have pointed out are that if one person spends their money. they are going to fucked for the next few years.

people need to fucking grow up and stop assuming the worst. like i said in my previous post, if this shit happens, then so be it. we got ourselves into this situation. our government was built by the pepole for the people and we let the people get over run by big business. its not their fault, they jumped on the opportunity. its our fault.

all i am saying is that if something is to happen and our economy is to tank again, then so be it. we'll just get right back up hopefully and maybe even be better off then we were before. the only reason people are freaking out like i said was because all thats going on is something that no one is used to, so what to people do? cry about it. thats only going to make thing worse cause it shows are country dont give a shit and dont want to adapt with times.

[Vteckidd]

Ok, so listen to all these NON DOOM AND GLOOM people

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVDzQU311tc&feature=related

NOtice the DOW (13,7xx).

So Schiff has been right all along why should he be wrong now?

[blacknightteg]

Ok, so listen to all these NON DOOM AND GLOOM people

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVDzQU311tc&feature=related

NOtice the DOW (13,7xx).

So Schiff has been right all along why should he be wrong now?


i dont know if this is directed towards me or not. but i never said any of them are wrong. but at the same time. you doing all this wining over whats taking place isnt going to do anything about it. if anything you should try and look for a positive in all of this negative, cause all your doing is contributing to the problem. what your doing isnt helping people but making it worse.

[Elbow]

Blacknightteg just said everything I can, I have nothing more really to say. I am not stupid, I have watched every video you are posting, I have done research, I see what people "think" will happen, and see what is happening, but things happening DOES NOT MEAN it will do what they think. North Korea has a satellite they are launching, some people think it's a missile, I guess that means IT IS a missile right?

Do your part in helping the economy, quit letting your fear spread to other people.

[Vteckidd]

HAHA

SO act like its no big deal, im not saying be fearful, im saying be PREPARED, there IS a difference.

[Elbow]

HAHA

SO act like its no big deal, im not saying be fearful, im saying be PREPARED, there IS a difference.

You are right, saying be prepared means everything you state WILL happen.

There is no sense in talking to someone who is so close minded, and full of fear. Continue with your predictions, you have been posting stupid predictions for a while and some days things go down, stay the same, rise, etc. I won't believe some random want to be business man on Import Atlanta. People like you have been scared for years. before Clinton even, look, we are all still standing.

By the way sure it's a big deal, the stuff that is HAPPENING, your theories and predictions? Not so much.

[Vteckidd]

You are right, saying be prepared means everything you state WILL happen.

There is no sense in talking to someone who is so close minded, and full of fear. Continue with your predictions, you have been posting stupid predictions for a while and some days things go down, stay the same, rise, etc. I won't believe some random want to be business man on Import Atlanta. People like you have been scared for years. before Clinton even, look, we are all still standing.


Lol cheap shots cause you cant keep up i assume?

I do business overseas, ever take that into consideration? I talk to people OUTSIDE this country as well as do business INSIDE this country. I know what its like out there.

Nothing is a for gone conclusion, nothing is for CERTAIN, but when 9/10 signs are pointing to it, yeah get your head out of the sand and think about it.

Id rather have a gun an not need it, then need a gun an not have it.

DOW is down 150 today, care to make a friendly wager? from 1 wanna be business man to 1 semi miata driving kid?

$100 says the DOW is at 6000 by end of march

[Vteckidd]

How about you tell me why you think everything will be ok? List me examples.

My examples show trends in the DOW, Unemployment, SPending, Deficit, Economists and CEOs that know way more than we do.

Please provide information that shows that we are NOT going to collapse.

WAITING

[Vteckidd]

i dont know if this is directed towards me or not. but i never said any of them are wrong. but at the same time. you doing all this wining over whats taking place isnt going to do anything about it. if anything you should try and look for a positive in all of this negative, cause all your doing is contributing to the problem. what your doing isnt helping people but making it worse.
Again its not whining, its not "the sky is falling" , its educating people that say "ehhh, we havent failed before we wont fail now"

People that dont have a real grip on what is going on

[Elbow]

You are not getting the point I am making. I do business overseas as well smart ass, you don't know me, what I drive, or who I am. I have a Miata race car...what's that prove?? lol. In fact most everything I sell ships to another country and everything I sell here is shipped from another country.

I am not saying everything is ok. I don't understand why you keep saying that. I know DOW is down, I know this. I am speaking of your fear that America will become a police state, the government will fall, all of that.

We have a huge economic problem, I have said this many times, why do you keep saying I think everything is fine??

[preferredduck]

If all you post is so true, why hasn't the media swallowed it up?

Charts and "facts" by people not that great, and also very close minded such as yourself. I can send you a link to news channels and you can read those? :???: I have done just as much research as you, have family in the government, and I have yet to find anything that I truly believe or really see happening. You think the police state is coming, so you think the United States will turn into a country like North Korea... :screwy:

You also post your fear on "proposals" anything proposed you jump in, put something you are worried about with it, and say oh shit.

It's clear you are extremely horrified about this situation.

so you think economic advisors to the gov't are close minded, give me a friggin break. sounds like someone likes to argue a lil bit. all i will say is its ok to be aware of some things, not totally blind to them. if you call me crazy then you would call a lot of other people crazy too, but i don't really care what you think, i say you might be narrowminded and live in a bubble somewhere. its not all puppy dogs and rainbows, we all agree to disagree. so if you have seen all the videos and articles on the web then you sir have no life. hey GW used fear to pass a 700 billion dollar bill last sept that did no good, as a matter of fact aig is back asking for more money. that was fear tactics buddy and it worked.

BTW the media can only air certain things, ever heard of rupert murdoch, i think he owns almost all major media outlets in the us. and watch lou dobbs at 7pmET, he is the only journalist with some balls. also remember the guy that was fired back after 9/11, i cant remember his name but he mentioned controlled demoltion on the air and was canned. the web is the last free place and they are trying to change that.

[Elbow]

So you are saying the government is inducing fear now to crash the country to control the people? lol

[Vteckidd]

You are not getting the point I am making. I do business overseas as well smart ass, you don't know me, what I drive, or who I am. I have a Miata race car...what's that prove?? lol. In fact most everything I sell ships to another country and everything I sell here is shipped from another country.

I am not saying everything is ok. I don't understand why you keep saying that. I know DOW is down, I know this. I am speaking of your fear that America will become a police state, the government will fall, all of that.

We have a huge economic problem, I have said this many times, why do you keep saying I think everything is fine??
This isnt the POLICE STATE Thread, and the GOVT will faulter on its debt the second our LENDERS realize we cant pay them back.

Its already been said we will pay them back with inflated dollars.

Im sorry but ill venture i do more business than you overseas

[Vteckidd]

So you are saying the government is inducing fear now to crash the country to control the people? lol
YES

The Democrats govern through keeping the people down, if you had read all these threads over the last 6 months you would see that.

"Let me give you some money, and help you out, let me make you complacent and lazy so you dont want to work to get ahead"

Thats the whole reason behind giving people WHO DONT PAY TAXES, TAX BREAKS.

The Govt KNOWS that there is no way out of this, they got in the market in the 2000s and look where we are, what makes you think they are going to fix it?

WHy arent they backing off, if you put your hand on a hot stove and it burns you, are you going to do it again and think you will get some different outcome?

[Elbow]

This isnt the POLICE STATE Thread, and the GOVT will faulter on its debt the second our LENDERS realize we cant pay them back.

Its already been said we will pay them back with inflated dollars.

Im sorry but ill venture i do more business than you overseas

Yeah it's not a police state thread, but every thread you make is telling everyone how FUCKED we are and how much more fucked we are going to be.

You can guess all you want, but if all you sell is car parts I can go ahead and say you aren't even close.

[Vteckidd]

Why are we saving AIG and Citigroup as they are pumping out BILLION in QUARTERLY LOSSES.

Why are we bailing out the AMerican AUtoMakers?

Why are we propping up companies that dont make any money and fail?

WHY ANSWER ME WHY

[Vteckidd]

Im a businessman commenting on BUSINESS, go figure LOL

[Elbow]

YES

The Democrats govern through keeping the people down, if you had read all these threads over the last 6 months you would see that.

"Let me give you some money, and help you out, let me make you complacent and lazy so you dont want to work to get ahead"

Thats the whole reason behind giving people WHO DONT PAY TAXES, TAX BREAKS.

The Govt KNOWS that there is no way out of this, they got in the market in the 2000s and look where we are, what makes you think they are going to fix it?

WHy arent they backing off, if you put your hand on a hot stove and it burns you, are you going to do it again and think you will get some different outcome?

So deep down this is a democrat vs republican thread ;)

[Vteckidd]

So deep down this is a democrat vs republican thread ;)
No asshat, again you arent smart enough to see the point.

Republicans have been just as bad. The Democrats just seem to speed up the process because they are for BIG GOVT

[Elbow]

VtecFag, I am done, because you make a seperate post for everything you say and it makes it way too hard to simply reply, you are a worthless want to be business man and a "post whore" continue selling your "international" products and spreading fear to people because your dick is up your ass.

[Vteckidd]

VtecFag, I am done, because you make a seperate post for everything you say and it makes it way too hard to simply reply, you are a worthless want to be business man and a "post whore" continue selling your "international" products and spreading fear to people because your dick is up your ass.
I love when someones true colors shine. :)

[Elbow]

I love when someones true colors shine. :)

Yeah my true colors of when in a debate all you do is post about 20 replies for every sentence I make lol, plus you get really fired up and continue posting thoughts in separate posts.

My true colors are that I keep a positive mind, know my chances, know what's going on, and look at one thing at a time. I don't worry about theories and predictions.

Answer one last question, why do you think you might need a gun?

[blacknightteg]

Again its not whining, its not "the sky is falling" , its educating people that say "ehhh, we havent failed before we wont fail now"

People that dont have a real grip on what is going on


the way that you're educating is the wrong way though, these people that you are "educating" aren't going to understand what you are trying to do. most people in america like i said wont listen to you anyways because our whole entire country is afraid of doing something different. like i said before they are afraid of change. regardless of whether or not you post up that "not doom and gloom" guy, your reputation shows a close-minded individual that all he thinks about is the worst case scenario. i dont think i have heard one positive thing from you yet.

if you are going to preach this stuff like you are, you need to have a positive aspect with it, a rebuttal other wise no one is going to continue to listen to you. i have said it before and i will say it again. WE did this to ourselves, we took the country that was supposed to be run by the people for the people and let big business take over with out doing anything about it. it was not their fault. they capitalized on opportunity. just like your capitalizing on many of the members on here and freaking them out cause you know the majority of them do not look up this stuff. and, because your so close minded many people that try to prove you wrong and or show you something different from a different side. you usually wont have anything of it and start to bash someone elses statement. your theories about things that are going on are getting old. yes, we all know we are in a rut but the fact that you as a person always post up negative aspects of a situation, doesnt show much for your knowledge besides going on the internet and looking up some stuff. i guarantee you that even the people that your getting this stuff from have two sides to a theory or story. thats what your supposed to do. doing it so once sided as you are in my opinion makes you look more non-intelligent then you try to act.

[Vteckidd]

Yeah my true colors of when in a debate all you do is post about 20 replies for every sentence I make lol, plus you get really fired up and continue posting thoughts in separate posts.

My true colors are that I keep a positive mind, know my chances, know what's going on, and look at one thing at a time. I don't worry about theories and predictions.

Answer one last question, why do you think you might need a gun?
I thought you were leaving, why waste time on VTECFAG and a wanna be business man?

I assume you know more about me than i do ;)

The gun was in reference to an the economy. Id rather be prepared for a collapse, than go on thinking it is not possible.

Again, something that went over your head i suppose

[blacknightteg]

I thought you were leaving, why waste time on VTECFAG and a wanna be business man?

I assume you know more about me than i do ;)

The gun was in reference to an the economy. Id rather be prepared for a collapse, than go on thinking it is not possible.

Again, something that went over your head i suppose


one thing i have noticed about you kidd and a lot of the things that you post is very repetitive. you say many of the same things in a lot of your threads, in doing so im getting the idea that you are just trying to ram your thoughts into peoples heads. i have seen many things that you have posted over the past few months now and when the election was that were very repetitive. especially when you are trying to prove a point. your points dont hold water a lot of the time in my opinion cause you keep saying the same thing over and over again when someone tells you to show proof. its not proof its just reiterating your own thoughts in a different form.

in all honesty this is why i dont pay attention to have the things that you post because of what i posted previously and how you post. you don't have true substance behind what you post besides what someone else said and not your beliefs. like i said in my previous post, even the best economists/professors/law makers are optimistic and have a good and bad side to the story. yours is just straight down with this and down with that talk.

[Vteckidd]

ive posted alot, you just dont want to read it, and hear it.

Theres at least 20 threads in here by me , and others, showing the eventual collapse that is coming.

If im so wrong why is it on EVERY NEWS CHANNEL right now?

Why is Bernake talking RIGHT NOW about it?

Read this thread, get some perspective
http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2397005

[blacknightteg]

ive posted alot, you just dont want to read it, and hear it.

Theres at least 20 threads in here by me , and others, showing the eventual collapse that is coming.

If im so wrong why is it on EVERY NEWS CHANNEL right now?

Why is Bernake talking RIGHT NOW about it?

Read this thread, get some perspective
http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2397005


this is exactly what i am talking about man. i have posted multiple times in this thread, and you just seem to ignore what i have said and post something that again is repetitive. stating that we may be heading towards a collapse but so what? its our own fault. its not the governments its ours. why dont you pay attention to what people have said. i have said that countless times that we may or may not be headed towards a collapse. and if we are, then so be it, we need to fucking start over anyways, this country has become so corrupted and gotten away from the original principles that it was founded upon. if we as a country want to continue to succeed and be the big powerful nation that we are, we have to adapt to the times. if we dont we will fall and collapse.

something is definitely broke and we definitely need to fix it. if we dont then we will fall. but what is the harm in that? that apparently is the only way that will make our country wake up. this economy was built to let everyone realize a dream. with the way things are going. no one is able to realize that dream. especially with big business in charge. if we let them keep running things it will continue to be this way and we as a country will not succeed and completely fall. we need to start over, if a collapse is what makes it happen, then thats what needs to happen. we will never get with the times the way that things are going. people are so set in their ways, like yourself, that one little change freaks them out and there not up for changing something and making it different.

[preferredduck]

So you are saying the government is inducing fear now to crash the country to control the people? lol

do you not remember bush in sept and oct getting in front of congress and the american people saying that if we do not get the 700B in TARP money that the economy wouls crash, do you not remember that, well guess what they got the money, the taxpayers cant trace the money(no transparency) and it did not do a damn bit of good, as i stated aig is back asking for more money. if it was so important for the economy then why did it get worse, your theory please.

[preferredduck]

So deep down this is a democrat vs republican thread ;)

nope b/c i am neither, they all suck ass in my opiniaon.

[Elbow]

do you not remember bush in sept and oct getting in front of congress and the american people saying that if we do not get the 700B in TARP money that the economy wouls crash, do you not remember that, well guess what they got the money, the taxpayers cant trace the money(no transparency) and it did not do a damn bit of good, as i stated aig is back asking for more money. if it was so important for the economy then why did it get worse, your theory please.

Maybe they thought the economy would crash. Maybe it didn't help, maybe they messed up? lol. These are just people like everyone else, look at the big picture, it's just life, we all have brains, we all have different decisions and outlooks, we all believe different things. There is a sun, there is wind, trees, etc. It's a big game just like the game LIFE.

[preferredduck]

Maybe they thought the economy would crash. Maybe it didn't help, maybe they messed up? lol. These are just people like everyone else, look at the big picture, it's just life, we all have brains, we all have different decisions and outlooks, we all believe different things. There is a sun, there is wind, trees, etc. It's a big game just like the game LIFE.

i am looking at the big picture, we have spent 1.5 trillion dollars since september b/c of a recession and this is something we will have to pay for for the rest of our lives. i look at all views and don't jump to conclusions. i am a very positive person and no matter what happens i still will be positive. my father is retired military and he is even worried about things that are going on, and he has served his whole life to the gov't. i think the 1.5 trillion should have been divided up among the legal taxpayers in this country and given out. i know at least 80% of the people would pay off most of their debt and buy a new car, electronics etc, but instead the money was given to CEO's of failing companies to keep them afloat, and what does the taxpayer get, absolutely nothing.

[Elbow]

I agree I think the people should have gotten some of the money.

[SPOOLIN]

we're just gonna have to live through it and deal with the cards.

I havnt had problems buying ammo.

[BanginJimmy]

Another 410B spending bill passed in the house today. This brings Obama's total bill for his 5 week old presidency to 1.2T. Damn I wish he was my employer. To this point, Obama has spent $1,428,572,428.57 per HOUR of his presidency. That is more than everyone on this board combined will make in their lifetime.

[preferredduck]

Another 410B spending bill passed in the house today. This brings Obama's total bill for his 5 week old presidency to 1.2T. Damn I wish he was my employer. To this point, Obama has spent $1,428,572,428.57 per HOUR of his presidency. That is more than everyone on this board combined will make in their lifetime.


flush, ohh that was the sound of taxpayer money going down the drain. what did they say the 410B would be for? ti creat 50 jobs and make CEO's rich. if all the money that has spent was given to us taxpayers i would have no debt, a new car, some electronics, and even a chumk to put in a money market account or something. that would not just jump start the economy, but send 2,000,000,000 volts through it's heart, banks wouldn't be on the brink of disaster b/c most of their money owed would be paid back. it's called trickle up economics.

[BanginJimmy]

I'm not all that sure what the 410B is for I have only heard about it on the radio. I will have to do some research tomorrow or friday.

[Elbow]

"WASHINGTON – The Democratic-controlled House pushed through a $410 billion measure Wednesday that boosted domestic programs, bristled with earmarks and chipped away at policies left behind by the Bush administration.

The vote was 245-178, largely along party lines.

Republicans assailed the measure as too costly — particularly on the heels of a $787 billion stimulus bill that President Barack Obama signed last week. But Democrats jabbed back.

"The same people who drove the economy into the ditch are now complaining about the size of the tow truck," said Rep. James McGovern, D-Mass., pointing out the large increase in deficits that President George W. Bush and GOP-controlled Congresses amassed.

From the GOP side, Rep. Jeb Hensarling of Texas said the legislation was "going to grow the government 8.3 percent ... but the family budget which has to pay for the federal budget only grew at 1.3 percent last year."

The debate occurred one day after Obama told Congress in a prime time television address that he intends to cut deficits in half over the next four years, and one day before he was submitting tax and spending plans for the coming year.

Officials said the president's first budget would call for a permanent tax cut of $400 for lower- and middle-class workers and $800 for families, a break modeled after the temporary provision in the economic stimulus legislation.

He also will seek $634 billion over 10 years as a down payment on health care reform, the start of an effort aimed at providing coverage for an estimated 48 million uninsured people. Achieving that goal could cost much more.

Obama also intends to ask lawmakers to approve a new cap-and-trade system of limits and pollution allowances, especially for industries such as utilities with coal burning power plants. The program would help reduce greenhouse gas emissions while generating revenue that could help finance other elements of an ambitious agenda that includes health care and education reform.

The spending bill that cleared the House drew the support of 229 Democrats and 16 Republicans. There were 159 Republicans and 20 Democrats opposed.

In a symbolic bow to the recession, Democrats included in the spending measure a prohibition on a cost-of-living increase for members of Congress for the year.

Overall, the legislation would provided increases of roughly 8 percent for the federal agencies it covered, about $32 billion more than last year.

The bill is intended to allow smooth functioning of the government through the Sept. 30 end of the fiscal year. The Senate has yet to vote on its version.

After persuading lawmakers to keep earmarks off the stimulus bill, Obama made no such attempt on the first non-emergency spending measure of his presidency. The result was that lawmakers claimed billions in federal funds for pet projects — a total of 8,570 earmarks at a cost of $7.7 billion, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense. Majority Democrats declined to provide a number of earmarks, but said the cost was far smaller, $3.8 billion, 5 percent less than a year ago.

Among the earmarks was one sponsored by Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., who secured $200,000 for a "tattoo removal violence outreach program" in Los Angeles. Aides said the money would pay for a tattoo removal machine that could help gang members or others shed visible signs of their past, and anyone benefiting would be required to perform community service.

Rep. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., said the bill included at least a dozen earmarks for clients of PMA Group, a lobbying company now at the center of a federal corruption investigation.

"It's simply not responsible to allow a soon-to-be-criminally indicted lobbying firm to win funding, all borrowed, in this bill," he said. No charges have been filed against the firm or its principals, although the company's offices were raided earlier this month, and it has announced plans to disband by the end of the month.

Federal prosecutors are investigating PMA Group's founder and president, Paul Magliochetti, who is a former top aide to Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., chairman of the House Appropriations subcommittee that funds defense programs.

In remarks on the House floor, Republican leader John Boehner urged Obama to veto the legislation, citing earmarks.

At the White House, press secretary Robert Gibbs responded only in general terms whether that was possible.

"There is great concern in this building and by the president about earmarks," Gibbs said. "Without having looked specifically at a piece of legislation, I'm hesitant to throw out that four-letter word, `Veto.'"

After eight years without control of the White House, congressional Democrats also used the legislation to target several policies of former President Bush.

Under the bill, Mexican-licensed trucks are banned from operating outside commercial zones along the border with the United States. The Teamsters union, which supported Obama's election last year, had sought the move. The Bush administration backed a pilot program to permit up to 500 trucks from 100 Mexican motor carriers access to U.S. roads.

Bush administration restrictions on travel to Cuba were loosened in the legislation, to permit more frequent visits and expand the list of family members permitted to make trips to see relatives on the Communist nation-island.

Rep. Doc Hastings, R-Wash., took aim at a provision that he said would vastly broaden the government's ability to invoke the threat of climate change to halt economic development. "Most all of the shovel-ready projects on the trillion-dollar stimulus bill would in fact be at risk," he said.

Nominally, the provision halts implementation of Bush-era regulations that reduce the input of federal scientists in endangered species decisions and block the law from being used to fight global warming. One of the regulations would allow oil and gas drilling to continue near the habitat of polar bears — a threatened species — without increased protections.

Rep. David Obey, D-Wis., and chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, said the legislation would merely give the new administration 60 days to decide the fate of the two regulations.

Democrats also inserted a provision into the bill to end a program that allows students in the District of Columbia to use federal funds to attend private schools of their choice. Boehner, who helped establish the program as part of a political bargain several years ago, called the move "hideous." "

[BanginJimmy]

I mentioned this in another thread. I need to do some more research on it before I get too far into it.

I do find it funny that the Dems are now saying "we can spend all we want because Bush did" whenever they are calle dout on it. At the same time, they always seem to forget that it took Bush 8 years to rack up 5T in extra debt and they are on a pace to rack up that much in 6 months.

[BanginJimmy]

Another 410B spending bill passed in the house today. This brings Obama's total bill for his 5 week old presidency to 1.2T. Damn I wish he was my employer. To this point, Obama has spent $1,428,572,428.57 per HOUR of his presidency. That is more than everyone on this board combined will make in their lifetime.



It was this thread, not the other.

[Vteckidd]

Food for thought


"Owners of capital will stimulate the working class to buy more
and more expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them
to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt
becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of
the banks, which will have to be nationalized, and the State
will have to take the road which will eventually lead to
Communism.” -- Karl Marx 1867


sound familiar?

[SL65AMG]

i dont know if this is directed towards me or not. but i never said any of them are wrong. but at the same time. you doing all this wining over whats taking place isnt going to do anything about it. if anything you should try and look for a positive in all of this negative, cause all your doing is contributing to the problem. what your doing isnt helping people but making it worse.


the good thing is, is that people are starting to wake up to the fact that, "hey, were in some deep shit right now", and no longer living in denial, thinking that we are going to be fine.

our situation CAN and WILL be a lot worse.....

if you think were in some shit now, wait till all these baby boomers start drawing on their social security checks and that runs out.... then we will be in some real shit....

[blacknightteg]

the good thing is, is that people are starting to wake up to the fact that, "hey, were in some deep shit right now", and no longer living in denial, thinking that we are going to be fine.

our situation CAN and WILL be a lot worse.....

if you think were in some shit now, wait till all these baby boomers start drawing on their social security checks and that runs out.... then we will be in some real shit....


yeah its getting a lot worse. but what can you do. like i have stated multiple times its our fault not the governments, if we werent so caught up in ourselves and "keeping up with the Jones'" then we would have never been in the situation that we are in in the first place. this country as i stated before i has completely ran away from our original values. no one gives a fuck about the country as a whole anymore, they jsut give a shit about themselves, their money and their own lives. the only way that this will ever change is when we as a country fall or get so fucked in the ass by ourselves that there is not a thing left to do. I love this country, but damn we a bunch of fucking morans.

[Vteckidd]

yeah its getting a lot worse. but what can you do. like i have stated multiple times its our fault not the governments, if we werent so caught up in ourselves and "keeping up with the Jones'" then we would have never been in the situation that we are in in the first place. this country as i stated before i has completely ran away from our original values. no one gives a fuck about the country as a whole anymore, they jsut give a shit about themselves, their money and their own lives. the only way that this will ever change is when we as a country fall or get so fucked in the ass by ourselves that there is not a thing left to do. I love this country, but damn we a bunch of fucking morans.

The Government pressured the banks to lend to people that couldnt afford it. Ask Jamie about it.

BOth sides are to blame, the consumers for CONSUMING too much, and the sellers who didnt think about the consequences

[blacknightteg]

The Government pressured the banks to lend to people that couldnt afford it. Ask Jamie about it.

BOth sides are to blame, the consumers for CONSUMING too much, and the sellers who didnt think about the consequences


but at the same time who do you think is more at fault? it is us? the big banks dont give a fuck, i mean shit if they did this wouldnt have happened in the first place. i said this already but i will say it again. our society is still way to fucking caught up in ourselves and its fucking our country up. we are so fucking independent from one another we only want to make it on our own and not think about other people or our peers. the big business is not to blame, im sorry but their not. granted i dont agree with their practices and what not, but i mean seriously can you blame them for capitalizing on opportunity? i shure as hell cant. if i was in their situation, i sure as hell would probably end up doing the same thing.

[BanginJimmy]

but at the same time who do you think is more at fault? it is us? the big banks dont give a fuck, i mean shit if they did this wouldnt have happened in the first place. i said this already but i will say it again. our society is still way to fucking caught up in ourselves and its fucking our country up. we are so fucking independent from one another we only want to make it on our own and not think about other people or our peers. the big business is not to blame, im sorry but their not. granted i dont agree with their practices and what not, but i mean seriously can you blame them for capitalizing on opportunity? i shure as hell cant. if i was in their situation, i sure as hell would probably end up doing the same thing.


I agree with both of you. The banks were not using good business practices by balancing risk and reward. They are not at the heart of the fault though. That falls first on the people that bought houses they couldnt afford, then second on the govt for forcing banks to give loans to these people that shouldnt have qualified to start with.

[blacknightteg]

I agree with both of you. The banks were not using good business practices by balancing risk and reward. They are not at the heart of the fault though. That falls first on the people that bought houses they couldnt afford, then second on the govt for forcing banks to give loans to these people that shouldnt have qualified to start with.


exactly, this down fall was of our own doing. its not the governments, hell their doing their best to try and stop us for collapsing. granted i think that goes against the principles of the type of economy that we have. but their trying to do something right.

[BanginJimmy]

exactly, this down fall was of our own doing. its not the governments, hell their doing their best to try and stop us for collapsing. granted i think that goes against the principles of the type of economy that we have. but their trying to do something right.



Umm, the govt had a huge hand in causing the collapse. The day they got the CRA amendments of '93 passed they set the groundwork for subprime mortgages and high risk bundled loans.

[blacknightteg]

i didnt say that they had nothing to do with it, i said that they werent the big reason this shit started happening, it was the people.

[Verik]

lol the people make up the gov't. the gov't created incentives for financial companies to get people into homes even if they aren't capable of paying for. The financial companies knew this but the incentives from the government created a moral hazard and thus the ceo's simply pushed for the short term and then got out of it after making millions and millions on setting up people in a house they can't afford. without the government (democratic congress and president) creating this moral hazard, we would have never had the real estate bubble in the first place. We would have been able to achieve a smaller sustained growth but we wouldn't have crashed down like we did.

[white24d]

lol the people make up the gov't. the gov't created incentives for financial companies to get people into homes even if they aren't capable of paying for. The financial companies knew this but the incentives from the government created a moral hazard and thus the ceo's simply pushed for the short term and then got out of it after making millions and millions on setting up people in a house they can't afford. without the government (democratic congress and president) creating this moral hazard, we would have never had the real estate bubble in the first place. We would have been able to achieve a smaller sustained growth but we wouldn't have crashed down like we did.



:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

The dems caused it .................................:lmfao:

[Vteckidd]

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

The dems caused it .................................:lmfao:
uhh yeah they did

The republicans call for oversight YEARS ago, only to have BArney Frank sit there an say "all is well"

The dems are the ones that passed the CRA and they are the ones that used community organizations to pressure banks to lend to people who werent qualified including minorities.

[Elbow]

OBAMA FTW.

[white24d]

So democrats are the ones that give you home loans. oh now i understand the ways of the world. Geez i never saw this before.


Pure BS


And guns kill people

[white24d]

uhh yeah they did

The republicans call for oversight YEARS ago, only to have BArney Frank sit there an say "all is well"

The dems are the ones that passed the CRA and they are the ones that used community organizations to pressure banks to lend to people who werent qualified including minorities.


They called for oversight my ass.
Remember, this is the party that wants government out of their lives.
De-Regulation is the key talking point of the right. Am i wrong?

[Vteckidd]

I'm not sayng the repblicans are innocent, by it's wildly known the dems pushed for the do some research. Barney frank should be hung

[Vteckidd]

And the republicans had hearings 4-6 years ago when we found out freddie was cooking it's own books and the dems assured everyone it was fine . It's public record look it up

[BanginJimmy]

They called for oversight my ass.
Remember, this is the party that wants government out of their lives.
De-Regulation is the key talking point of the right. Am i wrong?


MCCain sponsored a bill back in 02 and again in 05 that was killed off by both sides. The bill would have killed the market for subprime mortgages. The warning signs were there long before the bubble burst but no one wanted to listen.

Also dont forget that Fannie and Freddie were at the heart of this mess and they were controlled by Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and even an Obam advisor during the elected Franklin Raines. I didnt bother to look at how it ended, but Raines got in alot of trouble for cooking Fannie's books.

[BanginJimmy]

So democrats are the ones that give you home loans. oh now i understand the ways of the world. Geez i never saw this before.

Actually banks give loans. The problem is, banks were forced to give loans that they knew would never be paid back. That is why "aternative mortgages" were created. It was a way for the banks to get some money out of poeple before they defaulted on those loans.

[white24d]

Actually banks give loans. The problem is, banks were forced to give loans that they knew would never be paid back. That is why "aternative mortgages" were created. It was a way for the banks to get some money out of poeple before they defaulted on those loans.


Yeah, I was just being a smart ass.

Well both sides are guilty of not doing anything.
:cheers:

[Verik]

Yeah, I was just being a smart ass.

Well both sides are guilty of not doing anything.
:cheers:

no... one side is guilty for causing it and supporting it until it collapsed (then blaming it on the other side), the other side is guilty of not pushing hard enough to stop it.

so in a sense, one side is guilty of doing too much while the latter is guilty of not doing anything.

[white24d]

no... one side is guilty for causing it and supporting it until it collapsed (then blaming it on the other side), the other side is guilty of not pushing hard enough to stop it.

so in a sense, one side is guilty of doing too much while the latter is guilty of not doing anything.

The left did not cause this meltdown.
Bankers did. I wish Rush Limbaugh would choke on a chicken bone so this would stop already.

[white24d]

Was Bill Clinton writing home loans, ummm not so much. Gore , no , Obama , no.
Stupid people trying to get rich caused it. Thats it.
Trying to help people get in to homes is not a bad idea. Greed is a hell of a thing.
Maybe if all of our money wasnt tied up in Iraq and this BS " war on terror". WE would have ahd the funds to fix this problem years ago.

[BanginJimmy]

Before you make an even bigger ass of yourself, read up on the Community Re-Investment Act, and more specificly the amendments passed by Congress in '93. I would have to check dates, but I believe they were lame duck at the time it was passed because republicans took control of both houses in '94 with the "Republican Revolution".

[NAMNORI]

W O W. Instead of having petty arguements can't we all just accept that we are EVENTUALLY royally screwed. I know a couple of people that are active military right now that have been told they are not going to Iraq or Afghanistsn but they are being stationed here in the us for "training". These are both theese guys are Rangers. They specialize in urban warfare ,and just finished thier last set of training exercises before deployment ,and now they are staying for more training and not being deployed? You can think what you like but the truth to the matter is we are headed for a severe downturn in this country, yes i have some ammo but need to get more, no i hope it doesnt happen but like a good boyscout im always prepared. Screw the conspiracy theories, the doom and gloom, im going to look at history and see that each and every powerful civilization before us has fallen and as each one fell it has gotten worse and worse. The pharos,greeks,romans,ottomans,british empires all fell due to thier unwillingness to help thier people. Sooner or later everyone revolts, its just a matter of time before enough people get tired of being used and abused by thier government. Shit happens so does life but one thing we know is everything is cyclical. Viva la Revolucion

[preferredduck]

yeah its getting a lot worse. but what can you do. like i have stated multiple times its our fault not the governments, if we werent so caught up in ourselves and "keeping up with the Jones'" then we would have never been in the situation that we are in in the first place. this country as i stated before i has completely ran away from our original values. no one gives a fuck about the country as a whole anymore, they jsut give a shit about themselves, their money and their own lives. the only way that this will ever change is when we as a country fall or get so fucked in the ass by ourselves that there is not a thing left to do. I love this country, but damn we a bunch of fucking morans.

thats what they want us to do, turn on the TV and watch paris hiltons reality after we have been taing weeks of ADD and anti depression meds. it's good to see the people are starting to not buy into the BS. if it gets too much worse a revolt and restructure maybe necessary.

[preferredduck]

I agree with both of you. The banks were not using good business practices by balancing risk and reward. They are not at the heart of the fault though. That falls first on the people that bought houses they couldnt afford, then second on the govt for forcing banks to give loans to these people that shouldnt have qualified to start with.

the banks made it easy to go overboard on your credit. i used to recieve dozens of offers a week saying, "Buy that new big TV"" etc etc. and no matter what you spent they sent a low interest check saying," ehy it's ok, use it for cash or whatever, even crack rock or meth". There were savings and loan scandals in the 80's i think under bush sr, and the card companies and mortgage companie has legislature written to "help them even more" and deregulate the mortgage business. i was a loan officer and had seen people less than a year out of bankruptcy buy a 300,000 house on a no doc loan, which provides no proof of income and employment verification. as you know the bankruptcy laws were changed in 05 so the companies could decide if you made to much money to go ch.7, instead you are put on a mandatory payment plan. as long as they were getting rich at the time it was ok, but now they are showing losses and i hear bank of america was suponead today about business deals after recieving tarp money.