New emissions>older engines??? READ NOW!!

[tdurr]

Copied and pasted from another fourm.

wanted to pass this on,and pass this on to anyone who has an older engine with solid rockers or solid lifters,the epa is removing the zinc/phosphorus additives that have been in oil forever, we need these additives in our oil to prevent metal to metal contact in the valve train, there is a lot of discussion about this on the hamb,which is a very old well respected hot rod site, this is a link to an additive they are recomending, you add four ounces of this at each oil change. this isn't some wonder additive, this is whats been removed from the oil. here's the link and i will add info as i hear about this,someone please add this as a sticky. http://www.zddplus.com/


Has Zinc been removed from Engine Oils?

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Zinc_Motor_Oils.aspx


Question:
Has Zinc Been Removed from Motor Oils?
I am having thrust bearing failure in a 4.6 modified performance engine. This is a street/strip engine. Many of my friends are having the same problem. I think it is the result of the removal of zinc from the oil. I was told by two separate racing engine builders that the EPA ordered the removal of the zinc from over-the-counter motor oil. I use Mobil 1 5W-20. Is this true and do you think a zinc additive might help?
-- Randy Lovejoy, Americas, GA

Answer:
The active ingredient that you are talking about is phosphorus which is added thru a component called ZDDP. For products that meet the new ILSAC GF-4 specification the phosphorus levels for the oil must be less than 800 ppm phosphorus. The ILSAC level for phosphorus has been reduced to protect the catalytic converter and other emission protection equipment. The engine manufacturers are confident that this level of phosphorus will protect both new and older engines. However, there are Mobil 1 products which have a higher level of phosphorus (phos) and can be used in engines in racing or high performance applications; see the attached table (http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf).

Cliffs:
ZDDP is being removed from current oils.
This stuff is also know as zinc(the thing that keeps ur valvetrain alive)
New oils will cause problems unless additives are added.
FUCK the EPA. :2up:


Lets try and tell everyone that has a pre obd2 car about this. Apparently all obd2+ cars have diffrent build materials that dont require the presence of ZDDP in the oil. Older engines neeed this stuff to run problem free.
Link to said forum >> http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?p=930499#post930499

[Tech5]

weak

[dorin48]

Tis true. We are having to put special oil in my lady's 66 corvair because of this crap.

[tdurr]

Bump! people spread the news!

[G.C]

Just use salad oil.

[tdurr]

^^ wtf...

[gar9854]

damn
then im really fucked
88 w/ turbo:cry:

[87 Turbo II]

I hope my rotary is out of danger.

[Kaiser]

I did a double take at the post date on this, ZDDP has been removed from oils for YEARS now. There are still plenty of people making oil with ZDDP in it though, it just can't be SM rated, (Which is the newest rating, designed for the newest motors).

What people don't understand is that Oil is one of those things where the Latest and Greatest isn't always the best thing to use. You should use what is going to work for your car. If you need an oil with ZDDP look for an SL or SJ rated oil, anything with SM rating will be lacking.

[eraser4g63]

Ill have to remember to use the additive next time i change the oil in my RX-7 or else i could mess up my valves...

[tdurr]

^^ lulz.
and bump.

[slostang]

valvoline vr1 oils have a very high zinc content. if youre worried about zinc, use vr1.

[NewGen33]

bump...this is some bs

[e_pirate1337]

I did a double take at the post date on this, ZDDP has been removed from oils for YEARS now. There are still plenty of people making oil with ZDDP in it though, it just can't be SM rated, (Which is the newest rating, designed for the newest motors).

What people don't understand is that Oil is one of those things where the Latest and Greatest isn't always the best thing to use. You should use what is going to work for your car. If you need an oil with ZDDP look for an SL or SJ rated oil, anything with SM rating will be lacking.

i dont think this is such a big deal,
use the oil that your supposed to use
just look at the label and rating
dont put oil marketed for use in hybrids in your 91 crx or whatever and you should be fine.

[TheChosenOne]

Interesting post. So, is this an overreaction, or just a reminder to be contentious about the oil you use? If I use Mobile 1, am I straight?

[tdurr]

^^ good question, i havent read too much after i posted this, but it seems most oils have stopped putting ZDDP in the oil. I cant really answer but i did find this link with interesting info.

http://www.zddpforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14&sid=d8173320d81f393f79ebdbcc45ea8a14

[Brick]

This is old news. Turbo Buick guys have been adding ZDDP to their oil for years. It's not an absolute necessity, but it's a great and cheap precaution. Good luck finding oil at your local parts store with enough content. Just buy some ZDDP and be done with it, or go roller set-up.

[AE86Raptor]

Remember, if you have roller rockers or hydraulic lifter then you're fine it just the cars where the cam acts directly on the lifter/bucket or if you have solid cams. I use Valvoline Synpower since it also has a higher ZDDP content. You can find the spec sheets for the different brands of oil to determine what each weight from the brands contain. If you can't find it, you can also request it from them as well.

[claybird]

Ill have to remember to use the additive next time i change the oil in my RX-7 or else i could mess up my valves...


LULZ

[tubby]

so whare do u get this zddp stuff? and what are u supost to call it ? i read the hole post but guess im retarted cause i missed all that.

[91LudeSiT]

Redline sells a ZDDP additive called break-in additive:
http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=121&pcid=1

Redline oils also did not remove the ZDDP since it is classified as a racing oil. Hope this helps, it is one of the better oils on the market.

[skacore]

Does Royal Purple 5w30 have it? I run that in my DOHC ZC.

[tnomud]

wait unitl the 15% Ethanol kicks in........

[integra938]

If you pay to have a oil change done watch them and make sure you get what you pay for,when i worked at kauffman tire they put the same shitty oil in everyones car no matter what you paid for.Don't go to the one on barrett,the there techs are also bad about striping you're oil plug and breaking wheel pressure sensor's and not telling you about it.

[SPOOLIN]

wait unitl the 15% Ethanol kicks in........

E10 is a standard from the 70's...that came back...you cant go much further than that on a non-flex car without making engines run improperly from not the right mixture.

Rotella T has 1210 PPM of zinc

[tnomud]

E10 is a standard from the 70's...that came back...you cant go much further than that on a non-flex car without making engines run improperly from not the right mixture.

Rotella T has 1210 PPM of zinc


http://www.sema.org/?q=node/5648


<<< I be one of the fine folks who work with SEMA to oppose this :goodjob:



SEMA submitted comments to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) opposing an application to allow the ethanol content of gasoline to increase to 15% (from 10%). SEMA cited concern that the additional content could harm automobile parts of all ages, including special interest collector and historic vehicles, and that there is insufficient information to allay these concerns. Read SEMA’s comments.

SEMA’s comments were echoed by other organizations as well, including the Engine Manufacturers Association, Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, Outdoor Power Equipment Institute and American Lung Association. SEMA identified a number of unanswered concerns which are reinforced by the fact that tests using ethanol concentrations up to 20% have shown a notable increase in wear on fuel systems in vehicles produced up to and including model year 1995.

Deterioration of such systems in vehicles built prior to 1990 has shown a greater rate of damage. Fuel pumps, tanks, seals, hoses and other rubber components are particularly subject to failures.

The EPA has until December 1 to decide whether to grant or deny the request.