WRC Classic: "Toyota Hippo"

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Juha Kunkkunen
Toyota Celica 4WD - Rally Safari 1993
Photo by: Reinhard Klein

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[xdavidscenex]

i want 1

[jcbe34]

Cool pics.. Is that the Peter Gregg 934.8 in your sig?

[1991acura_ls]

nice pics

[EJ25RUN]

Cool pics.. Is that the Peter Gregg 934.8 in your sig?

It's actually the 1974 Porsche 911 RSR Turbo driven by Herbert Müller and Gijs van Lennep to second overall in the 1974 Le Mans 24 and WSC season.

You are very close on the years though. They won the Daytona 24 in 1973 with a standard RSR againsts the sport racing cars.

Gregg and Haywood drove for Brumos Porsche while the 911 RSR Turbo was run as a prototype with Martini racing.

[atlxpat]

i wish toyota and mitsubishi were still in wrc...oh and subaru too

[fininfarina]

Hyundai too

[jcbe34]

It's actually the 1974 Porsche 911 RSR Turbo driven by Herbert Müller and Gijs van Lennep to second overall in the 1974 Le Mans 24 and WSC season.

You are very close on the years though.

Gregg and Haywood drove for Brumos Porsche while the 911 RSR Turbo was run as a prototype with Martini racing.

Yeah I think the 934.8 was '76 or '77.. My dad told me the story about the car, he was @ Road Atlanta when the car was banned after qualifying. Amazing stuff considering this was in the 70's.

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Yeah I think the 934.8 was '76 or '77.. My dad told me the story about the car, he was @ Road Atlanta when the car was banned after qualifying. Amazing stuff considering this was in the 70's.

I try to think that this was the era when Turbo charging really began and it was with Porsche. I mean, i can't think of a race car pre 917/10 that was turbo charged. Its like the era started and went straight to 1000+ hp. The choose the turbo over a 16 cylinder 917.
Yes i know about the "Indy Special" but i mean road racing wise.

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Speaking of Turbos, Anyone know this story?

The Story Of Toyota's 1995 Illegal Turbochargers.

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RallySport December 1995


Toyota Team Europe has been banned from competition for the next 12months, and the points already gained in the 1995 World Rally Championship have been taken away by the FIA.

"It's the most ingenious thing I have seen in 30 years of motorsport." admitted FIA President Max Mosley after an extraordinary meeting of the FIA's World Council convened following technical reports on Toyota from the Catalunya Rally.

The cause of complaint was that Toyota had fitted turbo restrictor�s which were modified in three ways:

The restrictor was not sealed so it was possible to move it without touching the seals.

It was possible for airto enter the engine without passing through the restrictor.

The position of the restrictor could be moved so it was further away from the turbine than the50 mm limit permitted.

It was discovered that these irregularities were made possible by a flange which had a special hidden bypass device which was held open against a very strong spring. The hose which connected the restrictor to the turbo had a metal casing inside, and attached to this casing were catches which could secretly force open the by-pass flange to the extent of 5 mm.

Max Mosley explained: "When the system was dismantled, the flange would automatically close itself and remove evidence that extra air could have entered engine. This system not only allowed extra air which did not pass through the restrictor to enter the engine, but also the restrictor itself could illegally be moved further from the turbo.

"The hose was fixed to the restrictor by a jubilee clip. A special tool was then applied to open the device and then the device then gripped in the open position by a second clip. Both of these clips had to be undone for a scrutineer to check the restrictor and in the process of opening those clips the device snapped shut.

"Inside it was beautifully made. The springs inside the hose had been polished and machined so not to impede the air which passed through. To force the springs open without the special tool would require substantial force. It is the most sophisticated and ingenious device either I or the FIA's technical experts have seen for a long-time. It was so well made that there was no gap apparent to suggest there was any means of opening it."

The FIA estimates that 25 per cent more air was allowed into the engine than permitted although admits it's difficult to estimate how much more power that would achieve. An expert put it as high as an extra 50 bhp�a considerable advantage when the cars are supposedly limited to 300 BHP.

TTE did not claim the device was legal but was represented by lawyers who entered a plea in mitigation. Mosley went on to say that the points Toyota and their drivers, Juha Kankkunen, Didier Auriol and Armin Schwarz had gained in 1995 would simply be taken away but others would not move up to fill the gaps.

The team would also be banned from contesting the 1995 Network Q RAC Rally and the 1996 World Rally Championship. He also stated that the FIA would not allow the team to get around the restrictions by entering under another guise and went on to say that there was however, nothing to suggest that the drivers were aware of anything going on.

According to Toyota the device had been devised at a "certain level" and the management knew nothing about it. The FIA dismissed this claim, saying that as a team they were responsible for all their actions.

He went on to say that there were indications that this type of thing was not happening with in other teams and praised those who were concerned with discovering the irregularity. TTE has announced that it is planning to appeal against the ban extending through 1996.

The absence of the team would weaken an already frail championship and leave it to a fight between Subaru, Mitsubishi and Ford with Subaru being the obvious favourites.

[G.C]

Speaking of Turbos, Anyone know this story?

The Story Of Toyota's 1995 Illegal Turbochargers.

http://www.alltrac.hobby-site.com/images/0/0a/Tte-restrict.jpghttp://homepage.virgin.net/shalco.com/images/toy_turbo.jpg

RallySport December 1995


Toyota Team Europe has been banned from competition for the next 12months, and the points already gained in the 1995 World Rally Championship have been taken away by the FIA.

"It's the most ingenious thing I have seen in 30 years of motorsport." admitted FIA President Max Mosley after an extraordinary meeting of the FIA's World Council convened following technical reports on Toyota from the Catalunya Rally.

The cause of complaint was that Toyota had fitted turbo restrictor�s which were modified in three ways:

The restrictor was not sealed so it was possible to move it without touching the seals.

It was possible for airto enter the engine without passing through the restrictor.

The position of the restrictor could be moved so it was further away from the turbine than the50 mm limit permitted.

It was discovered that these irregularities were made possible by a flange which had a special hidden bypass device which was held open against a very strong spring. The hose which connected the restrictor to the turbo had a metal casing inside, and attached to this casing were catches which could secretly force open the by-pass flange to the extent of 5 mm.

Max Mosley explained: "When the system was dismantled, the flange would automatically close itself and remove evidence that extra air could have entered engine. This system not only allowed extra air which did not pass through the restrictor to enter the engine, but also the restrictor itself could illegally be moved further from the turbo.

"The hose was fixed to the restrictor by a jubilee clip. A special tool was then applied to open the device and then the device then gripped in the open position by a second clip. Both of these clips had to be undone for a scrutineer to check the restrictor and in the process of opening those clips the device snapped shut.

"Inside it was beautifully made. The springs inside the hose had been polished and machined so not to impede the air which passed through. To force the springs open without the special tool would require substantial force. It is the most sophisticated and ingenious device either I or the FIA's technical experts have seen for a long-time. It was so well made that there was no gap apparent to suggest there was any means of opening it."

The FIA estimates that 25 per cent more air was allowed into the engine than permitted although admits it's difficult to estimate how much more power that would achieve. An expert put it as high as an extra 50 bhp�a considerable advantage when the cars are supposedly limited to 300 BHP.

TTE did not claim the device was legal but was represented by lawyers who entered a plea in mitigation. Mosley went on to say that the points Toyota and their drivers, Juha Kankkunen, Didier Auriol and Armin Schwarz had gained in 1995 would simply be taken away but others would not move up to fill the gaps.

The team would also be banned from contesting the 1995 Network Q RAC Rally and the 1996 World Rally Championship. He also stated that the FIA would not allow the team to get around the restrictions by entering under another guise and went on to say that there was however, nothing to suggest that the drivers were aware of anything going on.

According to Toyota the device had been devised at a "certain level" and the management knew nothing about it. The FIA dismissed this claim, saying that as a team they were responsible for all their actions.

He went on to say that there were indications that this type of thing was not happening with in other teams and praised those who were concerned with discovering the irregularity. TTE has announced that it is planning to appeal against the ban extending through 1996.

The absence of the team would weaken an already frail championship and leave it to a fight between Subaru, Mitsubishi and Ford with Subaru being the obvious favourites.

Wow never knew bout that. Thanks for sharing.

[G.C]

Speaking of Turbos, Anyone know this story?

The Story Of Toyota's 1995 Illegal Turbochargers.

http://www.alltrac.hobby-site.com/images/0/0a/Tte-restrict.jpghttp://homepage.virgin.net/shalco.com/images/toy_turbo.jpg

RallySport December 1995


Toyota Team Europe has been banned from competition for the next 12months, and the points already gained in the 1995 World Rally Championship have been taken away by the FIA.

"It's the most ingenious thing I have seen in 30 years of motorsport." admitted FIA President Max Mosley after an extraordinary meeting of the FIA's World Council convened following technical reports on Toyota from the Catalunya Rally.

The cause of complaint was that Toyota had fitted turbo restrictor�s which were modified in three ways:

The restrictor was not sealed so it was possible to move it without touching the seals.

It was possible for airto enter the engine without passing through the restrictor.

The position of the restrictor could be moved so it was further away from the turbine than the50 mm limit permitted.

It was discovered that these irregularities were made possible by a flange which had a special hidden bypass device which was held open against a very strong spring. The hose which connected the restrictor to the turbo had a metal casing inside, and attached to this casing were catches which could secretly force open the by-pass flange to the extent of 5 mm.

Max Mosley explained: "When the system was dismantled, the flange would automatically close itself and remove evidence that extra air could have entered engine. This system not only allowed extra air which did not pass through the restrictor to enter the engine, but also the restrictor itself could illegally be moved further from the turbo.

"The hose was fixed to the restrictor by a jubilee clip. A special tool was then applied to open the device and then the device then gripped in the open position by a second clip. Both of these clips had to be undone for a scrutineer to check the restrictor and in the process of opening those clips the device snapped shut.

"Inside it was beautifully made. The springs inside the hose had been polished and machined so not to impede the air which passed through. To force the springs open without the special tool would require substantial force. It is the most sophisticated and ingenious device either I or the FIA's technical experts have seen for a long-time. It was so well made that there was no gap apparent to suggest there was any means of opening it."

The FIA estimates that 25 per cent more air was allowed into the engine than permitted although admits it's difficult to estimate how much more power that would achieve. An expert put it as high as an extra 50 bhp�a considerable advantage when the cars are supposedly limited to 300 BHP.

TTE did not claim the device was legal but was represented by lawyers who entered a plea in mitigation. Mosley went on to say that the points Toyota and their drivers, Juha Kankkunen, Didier Auriol and Armin Schwarz had gained in 1995 would simply be taken away but others would not move up to fill the gaps.

The team would also be banned from contesting the 1995 Network Q RAC Rally and the 1996 World Rally Championship. He also stated that the FIA would not allow the team to get around the restrictions by entering under another guise and went on to say that there was however, nothing to suggest that the drivers were aware of anything going on.

According to Toyota the device had been devised at a "certain level" and the management knew nothing about it. The FIA dismissed this claim, saying that as a team they were responsible for all their actions.

He went on to say that there were indications that this type of thing was not happening with in other teams and praised those who were concerned with discovering the irregularity. TTE has announced that it is planning to appeal against the ban extending through 1996.

The absence of the team would weaken an already frail championship and leave it to a fight between Subaru, Mitsubishi and Ford with Subaru being the obvious favourites.

Wow never knew bout that. Thanks for sharing.

[EJ25RUN]

Wow never knew bout that. Thanks for sharing.

Sure thing. This is one of those things Toyota and TTE want us to forget. Just four years later, the Corolla WRC won the manu championship so they got back on the right track.

[atlxpat]

wow, great info man
some clever innovations from toyota, although it was dirty, everyone's looking for an edge on the competition

[Oz10]

very interesting. That car looks beastly!

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wow, great info man
some clever innovations from toyota, although it was dirty, everyone's looking for an edge on the competition

That's what im getting out of it and i dont think Toyota was alone. They just go caught. I really hope they return to the sport as a factory team. Toyota rally history ranks up there with Lancia, Audi, and Subaru.

[Brian*]

Damn, that would be fun!

[imbatman]

i hope he made it out of that mud

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i hope he made it out of that mud
The Safari will always be associated with Toyota's Celica twin cam and GT4.

1993 Trustbank Safari Rally 8 April-12 April

1st place. Juha Kankkunen (+3m:54s penalties) Toyota Celica Turbo 4WD
2nd place. Markku Alén (+4m:03s penalties) Toyota Celica Turbo 4WD
3rd place. Ian Duncan (+5m:24s penalties) Toyota Celica Turbo 4WD

Kankkunen won the rally and the 1993 WRC which was his 4th.

[JITB]

90-95 has some of the best rally cars ever made!

[EJ25RUN]

90-95 has some of the best rally cars ever made!

Group A wise...definetly. The Escort Cosworth, Celica GT4, Lancia Delta Integrale.

Next were the Legacy, Galant, and Sierra.