Automobile Magazine GTR vs GT2 @ The Ring

[Elbow]

Anyone else read this?

Porsche ftw.

[RL...]

nope....I need to renew my subscription! ahhhhhhhhhh

nissan FTMFW

[87 Turbo II]

nope....I need to renew my subscription! ahhhhhhhhhh

nissan FTMFW
I love how you call other people fanboys yet you'll back the GTR up to the grave in every aspect even if it's in the wrong, you have Nissan in your user name, AND you just said you didn't read the article, then made a claim/comment on the content. REPS for being such a close minded hypocrite. I love Mazdas,and rotary engines, but I'm open to all views at least.

[81911SC]

Don't bring logic to a Nissan fanboys post.

[alpine_aw11]

So what happened?

[Master Shake]

i like nissan and all, but i think the GT2 will dominate the GTR.
GT2 for the kill....

edit: what did happen? lol

[Echonova]

i like nissan and all, but i think the GT2 will dominate the GTR.
GT2 for the kill....

edit: what did happen? lolMy guess is the Porsche had Harry overnight 15 grand worth of parts from Japan and decimated all.

[Capt._Ron]

^^ Yea I read something about porsche having to put Spoon engines in their cars to beat the GTR or something LOL.... I don't know Porsches very well but wouldnt the V-Spec GTR make a better comparison??

[Frög]

LOL @ nissan..

fucking chink liars..

[Frög]

Just went to Publix.. Automobile mag doesn't have it.. :thinking:

[Glides]

LOL @ nissan..

fucking chink liars..

Rofl at this post. That is the Wonka Golden Ticket man. Haha

This whole thread is awesome. Rock on guys.

[Frög]

Rofl at this post. That is the Wonka Golden Ticket man. Haha

This whole thread is awesome. Rock on guys.

:D I have a quarter chink in my blood.. So I can say "chink" right? lol

[dorin48]

:D I have a quarter chink in my blood.. So I can say "chink" right? lol
Yep rule of thumb is 1/16th to recieve perks of being a specific race. lololol

[Elbow]

March 09 issue with "Ford Lives" on the cover.

Anyway, driver gets a GT2 and a GTR and takes them both to the Ring for a test to see what car is faster. He admits he's not as fast as a pro test driver, but is a race car driver.

Porsche: 7min49sec
GTR: 7min56sec

One section on the track the GT2 was pulling 181mph when the GTR can only get 168 while flat on it's face.

On part he writes..."even using this early shift technique heading downhill to Schwedenkreuz (to allow for a few damp patches), the GT2 hits 162mph. The GTR, using every last revolution and with its instant gearshift, manages only 157mph."

He was short shifting the Porsche at some stages due to a wet track. It was damp in some spots. Which is even funnier because anyone that has driven a Porsche, especially a GT2, in the wet that would be HARD to do with Porsche's snap oversteer and such.

[Elbow]

nope....I need to renew my subscription! ahhhhhhhhhh

nissan FTMFW

Funny you say that..it lost.

[Master Shake]

the porsche might of been able to hit a 7:45 without the damp spots, cause i'm sure the short shifting effected the time.
i guess all the hype of the GTR being able to dominate was all show and no go.
i still find it funny that nissan really expected the R35 to wax everything, and when it came time to prove it, it only showed it was the fastest loser. afterall, 2nd is first loser.

[Elbow]

Technically they aren't even 2nd are they?

[Master Shake]

they got lucky this time around and got 2nd, any other time would probably have been 6th or lower.

[Hikaru]

wasn't Nissan's benchmark to beat the 911 turbo? and not the GT2? I mean, the GT2 is almost $100,000 more than the GTR, lighter, bigger tires, ect. Just saying....

[Master Shake]

i think nissan was trying to be make it one of the TOP cars, and so far, it has yet to be(i think) within the top 5 of the rings best times.

[Frög]

So, lets recap here..

Not only did Nissan lie about how fast they are, they can't build a car to be driven the way it is intended to be?

I mean seriously, bring in a Porsche 911 Turbo back into the dealership after 3k miles and see the faces the sales person does..

[okra1981]

The real question is if the GT2 needed to have a new $20k transmission after doing anything that it was intentionally made to do from the factory?
I like the GTR, but nobody should compare it to a serious track machine, that's like comparing a special olympian to an actual olympian, it's sad and somebody's feelings will get hurt.

[Elbow]

No the GT2 is RELIABLE vs Nissan's crap.

As for comparing the GTR to a "track machine"...Nissan proposed it to be just that.

[Frög]

Not that anyone would want to do it, but you could rag on the GT2 every day and it will last way over 100k miles..

[Frög]

And when you do the math, if you have to change a GTR's $20k tranny every 3k miles its gonna cost you more than a GT1.

[OneSlow5pt0]

No the GT2 is RELIABLE vs Nissan's crap.

As for comparing the GTR to a "track machine"...Nissan proposed it to be just that.

and dont forget old reliable regular joe Z06 > robocop mobile

[Frög]

and dont forget old reliable regular joe Z06 > robocop mobile

Joe the plumber from Wasilla?

[EJ25RUN]

Without even reading into the lap....

Here's what i see.

1. 3 pedals.
2. A gear stick that i boss around.

Here's what i don't see....
1. A Nissan interior


http://image.motortrend.com/f/9224561/112_0710_27z+2008_porsche_gt2+interior.jpg

[nreggie454]

Nice! I will definitely have to pick it up and read it.

Porsche FTMFW.

EDIT: ^Totally agreed. I drove a Boxster with a alcantara interior, and it was amazing.

[Frög]

Here's what i see.

1. 3 pedals.
2. A gear stick that i boss around.


<3

[Elbow]

Porsche owns all, someone want to give me 10k? I need to buy this Porsche on CL :( will also give you my Miata and everything else.

[atlxpat]

i got the magazine right next to me but i dont feel like reading =/

[EJ25RUN]

Jay Leno drives the Porsche 911 GT2 (http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=966781)

[Master Shake]

i got the magazine right next to me but i dont feel like reading =/then why waste a good post?

i kinda had my doubts about the GTR when i first started to hear everything about it. and i THOUGHT all the bugs in the car would be worked out. especially after how remarkable the R34 did. and IF the car did turn out the be everything as stated. then it could have just went down and turned alot of heads and gone down as possibly one of the greatest cars ever made.

however, it kinda seems like that Nissan, had the design, had what they WANTED it to do, built the car, and then watched it fall on its face when it tried. like they were so excited to release the car, they let some things slide, which is really fuckin them now.

[Elbow]

Is Mr. Leno saying "Porsch?".........

[JITB]

wasn't Nissan's benchmark to beat the 911 turbo? and not the GT2? I mean, the GT2 is almost $100,000 more than the GTR, lighter, bigger tires, ect. Just saying....

it was.....all of a sudden its put up with the GT2... :screwy: i guess the 911 wasnt enough for it...lol The 911/GTR are very very similar in alot of things, and tahts what it was beign compared to until recently... i guess.

Im glad to see this is settled somewhat..

Do some of you all just hold in all your GTR frustrations, until something bad about it pops up, so you all can get it all out...lol



So, lets recap here..

Not only did Nissan lie about how fast they are, they can't build a car to be driven the way it is intended to be?

I mean seriously, bring in a Porsche 911 Turbo back into the dealership after 3k miles and see the faces the sales person does..


I mean correct me if im wrong, but porsche didnt start working on their OWN transmissions until some years ago? And they still dont now they just replace them.

[Elbow]

it was.....all of a sudden its put up with the GT2... :screwy: i guess the 911 wasnt enough for it...lol The 911/GTR are very very similar in alot of things, and tahts what it was beign compared to until recently... i guess.

Im glad to see this is settled somewhat..

Do some of you all just hold in all your GTR frustrations, until something bad about it pops up, so you all can get it all out...lol





I mean correct me if im wrong, but porsche didnt start working on their OWN transmissions until some years ago? And they still dont now they just replace them.

I believe the 911 turbo would have beat it as well. In a magazine test. I mean this is a short shifting GT2 on a wet track and still beat the GTR by quite a few seconds lol.

[JITB]

I believe the 911 turbo would have beat it as well. In a magazine test. I mean this is a short shifting GT2 on a wet track and still beat the GTR by quite a few seconds lol.

maybe so..

[EJ25RUN]

Is Mr. Leno saying "Porsch?".........

Watch the part with 4:30 left.


Still Leno :slap:

[Capt._Ron]

I believe the 911 turbo would have beat it as well. In a magazine test. I mean this is a short shifting GT2 on a wet track and still beat the GTR by quite a few seconds lol.

7sec/420 sec= 1.7% better lap time not really that much given the length of the track in my opinion. I havent read the article so ill have to pick the mag up but damn yall sure do like to compare apples to oranges. I don't understand why 75% of the threads in here are to show how the GTR doesn't perform when it obviously does.

[Elbow]

7sec/420 sec= 1.7% better lap time not really that much given the length of the track in my opinion. I havent read the article so ill have to pick the mag up but damn yall sure do like to compare apples to oranges. I don't understand why 75% of the threads in here are to show how the GTR doesn't perform when it obviously does.

It's not it doesn't perform, it's that it doesn't perform to what Nissan said it would.

[Capt._Ron]

It's not it doesn't perform, it's that it doesn't perform to what Nissan said it would.

I can understand that but it seems that if Nissan had just understated the capabilities of the GTR then we would all be saying how awesome it performs similar to how the earlier GTR's had understated capabilities.

[mp5o]

I can understand that but it seems that if Nissan had just understated the capabilities of the GTR then we would all be saying how awesome it performs similar to how the earlier GTR's had understated capabilities.

No shit... Talk the talk... walk the walk right?

[_Christian_]

It's not it doesn't perform, it's that it doesn't perform to what Nissan said it would.
Plus you risk a lot of money by making it perform, since nissan doesn't honor warranties if the VDC has been turned off. At least Porsche stands by their product.

[Elbow]

Plus you risk a lot of money by making it perform, since nissan doesn't honor warranties if the VDC has been turned off. At least Porsche stands by their product.

Exactly.

[Capt._Ron]

Plus you risk a lot of money by making it perform, since nissan doesn't honor warranties if the VDC has been turned off. At least Porsche stands by their product.

No one can deny that point I bet Nissan will resolve that problem soon though after the amount of flak they have taken about it.

[nreggie454]

No one can deny that point I bet Nissan will resolve that problem soon though after the amount of flak they have taken about it.

They did. On the newer ones, there isn't launch control!

What BS!

[RL...]

fucking chink liars..

say this to my face sometime plz...:D

[RL...]

I love how you call other people fanboys yet you'll back the GTR up to the grave in every aspect even if it's in the wrong, you have Nissan in your user name, AND you just said you didn't read the article, then made a claim/comment on the content. REPS for being such a close minded hypocrite. I love Mazdas,and rotary engines, but I'm open to all views at least.

I'm open minded, but i'm done taking this forum, and the ppl in it seriously. So I choose to be as stupid as I want to be on here. Who cares, itz de internetzzzz fooo

[RL...]

porsche gt2 is better than a gt-r, but it costs more....the gt-r outperforms every porsche in its price range

Sooooo until there is a valid point here.....:cheers:

Lets not sit here and discuss how much faster a vette is from a miata, it obviously is, but it's also a lot more expensive...I don't think you ppl understand that yet....

I would take a porshe gt2/gt3 over a gt-r who wouldn't, it costs a lot more.......:blah:

[nreggie454]

porsche gt2 is better than a gt-r, but it costs more....the gt-r outperforms every porsche in its price range

Sooooo until there is a valid point here.....:cheers:

Lets not sit here and discuss how much faster a vette is from a miata, it obviously is, but it's also a lot more expensive...I don't think you ppl understand that yet....

I would take a porshe gt2/gt3 over a gt-r who wouldn't, it costs a lot more.......:blah:
I don't remember any Mazda ads saying that the Miata was a Vette killer :thinking:

I also don't remember Mazda posting track lap times for the Miata that nobody else could come close to reproducing.

[mp5o]

porsche gt2 is better than a gt-r, but it costs more....the gt-r outperforms every porsche in its price range

Sooooo until there is a valid point here.....:cheers:

Lets not sit here and discuss how much faster a vette is from a miata, it obviously is, but it's also a lot more expensive...I don't think you ppl understand that yet....

I would take a porshe gt2/gt3 over a gt-r who wouldn't, it costs a lot more.......:blah:

The GTR was marketed as performing better than the competition while retaining a much lower price tag.. It failed on the performance aspect. I don't think you understand that yet.... ;)

They were comparing it to the GT2 because of the claims that nissan made about the times at "The ring".

[okra1981]

I thought that Nissan used a 911 Turbo when they were developing the GTR, I didn't thing that they ever claimed that it was as fast as the GT2 or GT3. I wouldn't think that they were that stupid, I mean, it makes sense to go after another AWD/Turbo car market.
I just like to pick on cars that come out with promises of a feature or certain specs, then they run off and cancel the feature or don't match the specs. I'm sure they can find a driver that can match the numbers at the 'ring, but taking launch control away instead of devising a way to fix it, that's just mean, it ruins all of the acceleration numbers. This is what makes me mad about the RX-8, Mazda lying about the horsepower numbers so that we don't know about how slow it really is. It may be a good car, but now I'm mad at them for lying, even after they were on showroom floors.

[OneSlow5pt0]

if a GTR cant even beat a american car,how can it beat a porsche.....lol

or maybe the GTR driver sucked.......bahaha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYvLIeVIV9M&feature=related

now i know this is just straight line,but u gotta agree 90% of GTR will never see a roadcourse

[nreggie454]

if a GTR cant even beat a american car,how can it beat a porsche.....lol

or maybe the GTR driver sucked.......bahaha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYvLIeVIV9M&feature=related

now i know this is just straight line,but u gotta agree 90% of GTR will never see a roadcourse

"GTR driver"

LOL oxymoron!

[willum14pb]

first comparison i've seen of the gtr losing to porsche.

[Deke]

Good for Porsche.


They did. On the newer ones, there isn't launch control!

What BS!

Launch control is for pussies anyways :)

[JITB]

The GTR was marketed as performing better than the competition while retaining a much lower price tag.. It failed on the performance aspect. I don't think you understand that yet.... ;)

They were comparing it to the GT2 because of the claims that nissan made about the times at "The ring".



lol it does where are you all getting this information from.. name 1 car that can do what the GTR does and can do.. for the price. And that is streetable, and legal.

its like saying the srt4 failed at being the best bang for the buck, but it cant beat a 350z... :thinking:

i dont bother with disputing opinions, but some of you all are just spiting out crazy facts taht arent true about the GTR and its annoying.. not because its the gtr just because its bad info..

[JITB]

I don't remember any Mazda ads saying that the Miata was a Vette killer :thinking:

I also don't remember Mazda posting track lap times for the Miata that nobody else could come close to reproducing.


miata isnt a vette killer..it wasnt made to be one.. it was made to be a lite weight underpowered fun roadster.. But it CAN BE MADE to be a vette killer.

[Elbow]

miata isnt a vette killer..it wasnt made to be one.. it was made to be a lite weight underpowered fun roadster.. But it CAN BE MADE to be a vette killer.

Exactly, but Nissans claims were total BS, this is for the Nurburgring claims, not just the GTR vs Porsche.

There are tons of cars you can build for that much money and be legal and walk a new GTR.......

[Frög]

say this to my face sometime plz...:D

remind me if I see you..



Jay Leno: "[Comes] with a proper 6 speed gear box, does this come with paddle shifting? "
Andy:No
Jay Leno:Thank you! Thank you very much, makes this a driver's car.

[Hikaru]

so anything with paddle shifters isn't a "driver's car" according to Leno? Man, Ferrari is gonna be pissed when they find that out...

[EJ25RUN]

so anything with paddle shifters isn't a "driver's car" according to Leno? Man, Ferrari is gonna be pissed when they find that out...
He's right though.

Remember, Jay claims he bought the Carrera GT only because the car came with the clutch.

[Hikaru]

I respectfully have to strongly disagree with Jay. He may be right to himself but to say that the Carrera GT is a driver's car and the Enzo is not is just silly.

[Frög]

I respectfully have to strongly disagree with Jay. He may be right to himself but to say that the Carrera GT is a driver's car and the Enzo is not is just silly.

you are silly.. The paddle shifting might be faster, but its less of a driver's car.. That's the truth..

[Hikaru]

F1 cars: Driver's cars or not.....discuss.

[EJ25RUN]

F1 cars: Driver's cars or not.....discuss.
Racing as a whole is a bad example. Modern F1 is an overload of electronics. Aryton Senna De Silva (the greatest driver ever) even said it was too much.

The main reason for paddle shifters in F1 is because they are much softer on power delivery and are much more reliable. If you go into the making of an F1 gearbox, it is nothing like what you see on the road. Same story with the engine.

And as this argument seems to always make its way into the racing front.

If i race a car, and i know i want to win at any cost, i will take any possible advantage. This eventually backfired in F1 as traction control, launch control and even active suspension systems made the driver a passenger. All of those systems have been banned because the sport realized it was computers racing computers instead of what it should be.

On the street, we drive, not race. Therefore, i want to drive my car the way it was meant to be.

Many racing series don't allow the use of paddle shifters.

[Hikaru]

I totally get what your saying bro. I'm just playing devils advocate. What about limited slips and power steering? My point is this: What is the definition of a driver's car? I think it is different to many people. Is an F430 more of a driver's car than my Evo even though it has paddles? I think so. Some may not. Is my Evo less of a driver's car because it has an active diff (however basic it may be) or AWD? I don't think so. Even though cars like the Enzo have paddles I still think all the performance characteristics it has make it a driver's car. There is still LOTS of things for you to pay attention to while driving even though the computer does your rev matching for you. That's just how I see it though...

[EJ25RUN]

I totally get what your saying bro. I'm just playing devils advocate. What about limited slips and power steering? My point is this: What is the definition of a driver's car? I think it is different to many people. Is an F430 more of a driver's car than my Evo even though it has paddles? I think so. Some may not. Is my Evo less of a driver's car because it has an active diff (however basic it may be) or AWD? I don't think so. Even though cars like the Enzo have paddles I still think all the performance characteristics it has make it a driver's car. There is still LOTS of things for you to pay attention to while driving even though the computer does your rev matching for you. That's just how I see it though...

Granted, but.... electronics take away from the skills. Yes, they keep you on the road but they take away from the experience. Modern exotics have more power than the race cars of the 70's and 80's. The difference, these modern cars are babying the driver so he won't make a mistake. Again, it all comes down to personal opinion but i say that in order to drive a car, you have to be providing traction control with your right foot and clutch pedal.

[Hikaru]

I totally agree with that. I think some of the babying is necessary to prevent idiots from wrecking on the 405!

[Frög]

F1 cars: Driver's cars or not.....discuss.

Well I would have to say yes and no..

The "no" is far fetched, but the reason being is one's definition of "Driver's car".. The term, off course for the most part, as everyone knows how complex cars are, "driver's car" refers to the idea that the car is built around (not solely, obviously) the "feel" of the drive and the "pleasure" that one gets from it.. The car is really centered around this philosophy.. It cannot be argued that manual gearboxes are much more satisfying to drive than paddles..

The F1 is not centered around this philosophy.. The feeling the driver gets after/during driving it is not what the manufacturer cares about, but its the time the driver completes the track that they worry about.. The driver's preference of manual gearboxes is overlooked as the car is built solely on performance and lap-time based benchmarks..


The "yes" because of many reasons. First, you cannot deny the thrill that anyone would get driving a F1 car.. It is a different class and to compare with anything else is illogical; but for the sake of this argument it is justified.. Every F1 driver will drive other cars with a slight presence of boredom..

From a different stand point, when defining the term "driver's car" differently, a F1 car HAS to be a driver's car.. This because if it wasn't, if the car was not perfectly tuned for that specific driver: the performance of the driver and the car would lack efficiency.. The car and the driver really have to be in unity to achieve success..

[willum14pb]

remind me if I see you..



Jay Leno: "[Comes] with a proper 6 speed gear box, does this come with paddle shifting? "
Andy:No
Jay Leno:Thank you! Thank you very much, makes this a driver's car.


Yea, now go watch him drive the GTR and rave about how great it is, and how he's so emotionally attached he doesn't want to see his wife. SHUT THE..

[Frög]

Yea, now go watch him drive the GTR and rave about how great it is, and how he's so emotionally attached he doesn't want to see his wife. SHUT THE..

Doesn't change the fact that Manual > Paddle shifting..

Its funny how you took this as an attack to the GTR when nowhere in my post did I mention anything about a GTR..

Not only the GTR has paddle shifting, you know Ferrari's have it too.. So don't get you panties all in wad when all I was pointing out is that paddle shifter's on ANY car is not something to be particularly be happy about..

[Elbow]

How did this turn into paddle shifting debate? lol

F1 cars are drivers cars, because half of this website couldn't even take a turn in one. I personally don't think paddle shifting is bad. For some reason I would take it in a Ferrari or something, but in a Japanese car? That just seems dumb to me lol. BUT it's not bad. Maybe it's I have driven paddle shifted Ferrari and liked it, it didn't seem as non driver like as I thought.

[Frög]

How did this turn into paddle shifting debate? lol

F1 cars are drivers cars, because half of this website couldn't even take a turn in one. I personally don't think paddle shifting is bad. For some reason I would take it in a Ferrari or something, but in a Japanese car? That just seems dumb to me lol. BUT it's not bad. Maybe it's I have driven paddle shifted Ferrari and liked it, it didn't seem as non driver like as I thought.

Don't you think you would enjoy driving a F40 more than an Enzo? Make it an F40 LM to make them even..

[OneSlow5pt0]

i thought F430s came with normal 6sp? just like lambos

[Elbow]

Don't you think you would enjoy driving a F40 more than an Enzo? Make it an F40 LM to make them even..

Yes I would like the F40 more, due to the.......more raw driver feel.

[Elbow]

i thought F430s came with normal 6sp? just like lambos

It's options, some do. Lambos come with paddle shifting as well though, e-gear. Depends what you want.

[OneSlow5pt0]

It's options, some do. Lambos come with paddle shifting as well though, e-gear. Depends what you want.

yea,well aslong as u can get the car in a regular manual........who cares bout the paddles.

this one the reasons i love american cars,thier just so much raw compared to say a new ferrari or lambo.

[Elbow]

yea,well aslong as u can get the car in a regular manual........who cares bout the paddles.

this one the reasons i love american cars,thier just so much raw compared to say a new ferrari or lambo.

Eh not really. I mean the driving feel of a Ferrari or Lambo feels so much better then a Corvette. You can turn any driving aids off. But they just feel more stout and raw. Lamborghini not as much as Ferrari (at least a Murcielago) but it's just raw and nasty. The loud scream of the engine and just brute acceleration.

[Frög]

Yes I would like the F40 more, due to the.......more raw driver feel.

Exactly my point.. In no way am I saying that the Enzo isn't a "driver's car", but the F40 is more of one than the Enzo.. Little things add or take away from the "feel" of driving, a paddle shifting gearbox is one of them..

That is if you define "driver's car" the same way Leno and I see it..

[Hikaru]

I totally agree.

[Frög]

yea,well aslong as u can get the car in a regular manual........who cares bout the paddles.

this one the reasons i love american cars,thier just so much raw compared to say a new ferrari or lambo.

is this coming from an owner of an American automatic car? ;)

~runs away~


Eh not really. I mean the driving feel of a Ferrari or Lambo feels so much better then a Corvette. You can turn any driving aids off. But they just feel more stout and raw. Lamborghini not as much as Ferrari (at least a Murcielago) but it's just raw and nasty. The loud scream of the engine and just brute acceleration.

Very true, a Ferrari with no aids is not an easy car to enthusiastically drive..

[OneSlow5pt0]

i like my auto =[..but least its a straight reliable auto,not no crazy paddle shifting stuff.

its not like i wanna feel like im driving manual but fail...lol

[gukdoebabdoe]

they're comparing a 250,000$ car to a car that cost less than 90,000

cant really expect much now can you?

[81911SC]

they're comparing a 250,000$ car to a car that cost less than 90,000

cant really expect much now can you?Everyone else can but when a magazine does then you say that. :lmfao:

[Thighs]

they're comparing a 250,000$ car to a car that cost less than 90,000

cant really expect much now can you?

well according to nissan, the 90k car beat the 250k car... how come it cant be reproduced?

[Elbow]

well according to nissan, the 90k car beat the 250k car... how come it cant be reproduced?

Exactly.

What you people aren't understanding is NISSAN TALKED SHIT, and when in real life someone tests their crap, it doesn't add up.

aka Nissan = ricer.

[JITB]

Exactly, but Nissans claims were total BS, this is for the Nurburgring claims, not just the GTR vs Porsche.

There are tons of cars you can build for that much money and be legal and walk a new GTR.......


were not building cars, we are buying them this is a stock v stock comparison. i could build my moms pt cruiser to beat a gtr with the price difference. that dont mean anything..

nissan really didnt talk shit.. they promoted the car like any other company does. And they put it up against its competition. like any other car company does.

Im pretty sure if nissan felt the GTR would perform better with a normal gearbox it would have put one in it. i dont know why you all think the GTR isnt any different from the previous.. the previous gtr had plenty of gizmos and gadgets for its time. Just like any other japanese car, they are full of gadgets, and sophisticated driving aids. It wouldnt be a japanese car without it.

jay leno is a car guy he will love whatever he drives.. he drove the GTR lvoed it, he drove the gt2 loved it....he drove his shogun he said it was his favorite car.. does it mean its better than the gt2? :thinking:



fact remains.. gtr for the price its a amazing car. You all say its just a Nissan soo much.. but this Nissan is getting all this attention from ferrari/porsche/lambo drivers.

[81911SC]

Not really. A lot of them just LOL at the GTR and say they wouldn't trade their's in for one. A couple sure, but nowhere near the majority.

[JITB]

Not really. A lot of them just LOL at the GTR and say they wouldn't trade their's in for one. A couple sure, but nowhere near the majority.


were talking about real porsche who are still normal human beings, and still enjoy other vehicles that arent from stuttgart..

not nazi zombies..

[81911SC]

were talking about real porsche who are still normal human beings, and still enjoy other vehicles that arent from stuttgart..

not nazi zombies..I'm talking about all owners.

[JITB]

I'm talking about all owners.


lol you are definatly the LAST porsche owner who would or even try speak for ANY other porsche owner... :lmfao: There is a think line between knowing and liking alot.

If you have a car thats being compared to yours all over, even by your own manufacturer you kind of tend to pay attention to it. i mean its pretty normal, it comes a time when you realize your rivals and know your enemies. just like their are plenty of vette drivers who track their cars. And know to look out for the cheaper well built civics/miatas/focus etc..

[81911SC]

lol you are definatly the LAST porsche owner who would or even try speak for ANY other porsche owner... :lmfao: There is a think line between knowing and liking alot.

If you have a car thats being compared to yours all over, even by your own manufacturer you kind of tend to pay attention to it. i mean its pretty normal, it comes a time when you realize your rivals and know your enemies. just like their are plenty of vette drivers who track their cars. And know to look out for the cheaper well built civics/miatas/focus etc..Who the fuck said I was trying to speak for others? I've seen them say this, I've even seen a guy sell his 911 I think it was and get a GTR, hated it and went right back I believe. Seeing what happens and what people say is not the same as speaking for them.:rolleyes: Your paragraph is fucking worthless considering that's not what we're even talking about it. We have acknowledge that people pay attention to it. No shit but I'm saying they pay attention, laugh, and then turn away.

[JITB]

Who the fuck said I was trying to speak for others? I've seen them say this, I've even seen a guy sell his 911 I think it was and get a GTR, hated it and went right back I believe. Seeing what happens and what people say is not the same as speaking for them.:rolleyes: Your paragraph is fucking worthless considering that's not what we're even talking about it. We have acknowledge that people pay attention to it. No shit but I'm saying they pay attention, laugh, and then turn away.


talking to you is like talking to a 11 year old... i dont know why i bother..

[81911SC]

I think the same when you post. Look at your good grammar, there is none. Not to mention the shit you say with your terrible grammar it's terrible.

[EJ25RUN]

Jitb, i got respect for you but seriously, a proper car person would try different cars no matter where they come from. With that said, there is a huge portion of us that will discredit a car as soon as we dont get a proper gearbox. Remember the pole i made?

If the GTR was allowed to be a drivers car instead of the fastest pentium, we wouldn't have this talk as i'd be defending the slower 6 speed R35 over the "im not talented enough to control the power so i need the car to do it and i brag about it later transmission."

[81911SC]

I even voted in that pole, EJ.

[JITB]

I think the same when you post. Look at your good grammar, there is none. Not to mention the shit you say with your terrible grammar, it's terrible.

you know when you can tell you got to someone when they resort to the grammar attack.. :lmfao:, you might be a little lost when they changed the Whoreslounge to off-topic, but its still there.. :goodjob:





Jitb, i got respect for you but seriously, a proper car person would try different cars no matter where they come from. With that said, there is a huge portion of us that will discredit a car as soon as we dont get a proper gearbox. Remember the pole i made?

If the GTR was allowed to be a drivers car instead of the fastest pentium, we wouldn't have this talk as i'd be defending the slower 6 speed R35 over the "im not talented enough to control the power so i need the car to do it and i brag about it later transmission."


just because people prefer something over another doesnt mean its better or worse. i am willing to put money on it, the GTR wouldnt be able to do half of what it can do with a 6spd manual. To me thats all opinion, i understand people dont like it, but i also wont discredit it or count it against it for its performance. Of all the cars with gadgets/ paddle shifters what makes the GTR such a bad car for having it...thats what i dont understand

[81911SC]

you know when you can tell you got to someone when they resort to the grammar attack.. :lmfao:, you might be a little lost when they changed the Whoreslounge to off-topic, but its still there.. :goodjob:

This right here.
You said I'm like an 11 year old but you're the one who can't communicate correctly. :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:
Fuck, you're dumb.

[JITB]

This right here.
You said I'm like an 11 year old but you're the one who can't communicate correctly. :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:
Fuck, you're dumb.


im not gonna sit here and correct every mistake i make with this keyboard.. its not that serious. never have and never will...either way my point will be made...you can m ove along you are no longer apart of this conversation.

[81911SC]

im not gonna sit here and correct every mistake i make with this keyboard.. its not that serious. never have and never will...either way my point will be made...you can m ove along you are no longer apart of this conversation.I don't consider them mistakes. I think you're lazy or just confused to how the language works. Also, I :lmfao: if you think I'll leave cause you want me to. :lmfao::lmfao:
So about the GTR, What's the weight on that pos again?

[JITB]

I don't consider them mistakes. I think you're lazy or just confused to how the language works. Also, I :lmfao: if you think I'll leave cause you want me to. :lmfao::lmfao:
So about the GTR, What's the weight on that pos again?


well ill offer you a position to correct them as i continue to make these mistakes..that can be your place in this thread.. correct me.. and post smileys.. while i wait for ej to respond!

[81911SC]

well ill offer you a position to correct them as i continue to make these mistakes..that can be your place in this thread.. correct me.. and post smileys.. while i wait for ej to respond!:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:
:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:
What's the weight?

[EJ25RUN]

just because people prefer something over another doesnt mean its better or worse. i am willing to put money on it, the GTR wouldnt be able to do half of what it can do with a 6spd manual. To me thats all opinion, i understand people dont like it, but i also wont discredit it or count it against it for its performance. Of all the cars with gadgets/ paddle shifters what makes the GTR such a bad car for having it...thats what i dont understand

My issue isn't just with the GTR. It is also with Ferrari and Mercedes. They forgot what a manual was many years ago.

And tech can't always solve the power issue. I know Top Gear isn't the best example but this really does hit the nail on the head.

Brabus SL....Watch the car go through a corner and see the traction control literally make it shake because it doesn't know what to do. watch at 4:30

More electronics = worse driving experience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dfff-s2OMc&feature=related

[81911SC]

Look at the 2010 GT3. No PDK mentioned.
Exactly Why Porsche>* They're staying true as long as they can.

[EJ25RUN]

Look at the 2010 GT3. No PDK mentioned.
Exactly Why Porsche>* They're staying true as long as they can.
I'm closing my eyes for the next RS though.

[81911SC]

I'm closing my eyes for the next RS though.I can't wait. :eek:

[EJ25RUN]

I can't wait. :eek:

Autoblog...

Spy Shots: 450-hp Porsche GT3 RS caught running 'Ring
by Damon Lavrinc on Jun 3rd 2008 at 10:02AM


We're expecting to see the redesigned 911 unveiled later this week, but Autocar's spies have caught the next iteration of the GT3 RS running at the Nurburgring ahead of its unveiling later next year. As is often the case with Porsche, it's hard to discern any substantive differences between this newest version of the GT3 RS and the current model, but when the new 911 makes its debut, it'll be wearing a redesigned front bumper, along with LED headlights and taillights, all of which will carry over to the GT3 RS.

Granted, these subtle changes aren't that compelling, but Porsche has big plans for what's underneath the new model's sheet metal. The GT3 RS will supposedly be packing another 40 hp over the outgoing model, developing 450 hp at peak output. However, there's been considerable debate about whether or not the GT3 RS' engine will be equipped with direct-injection, considering it's traditionally been based off the GT1 racecar. Harnessing those extra ponies will be a seven-speed, dual-clutch transmission (Porsche Doppel Kupplung or PDK in Porsche parlance) that will provide seamless and ultra-quick shifts through steering wheel-mounted paddles. Purists might complain about a lack of a manual gearbox, but that's what purists do. So expect a manual version to be an option when it goes on sale in late 2009 or early 2010.



The only gibberish i took out of that. :D


http://www.globalmotors.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/2010-porsche-911-gt3-rs-4.jpg


I see scaffolding in the back!!! :yay:

[JITB]

My issue isn't just with the GTR. It is also with Ferrari and Mercedes. They forgot what a manual was many years ago.

And tech can't always solve the power issue. I know Top Gear isn't the best example but this really does hit the nail on the head.

Brabus SL....Watch the car go through a corner and see the traction control literally make it shake because it doesn't know what to do. watch at 4:30

More electronics = worse driving experience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dfff-s2OMc&feature=related


i saw it already, some instances its true.. sometimes it hurts, sometimes it helps.

truth is, we are not gonna get the cars from the past that were perfect without any electronics and gadgets. its not gonna happen. im sure if it was possible to do this with the price and safety and everyday reliability nissan would do it.

[81911SC]

LOL,
I highly doubt they will add more horsepower then the GT3 though. That would be an extra 15 and then the switch to PDK? I dunno brother

[OneSlow5pt0]

i saw it already, some instances its true.. sometimes it hurts, sometimes it helps.

truth is, we are not gonna get the cars from the past that were perfect without any electronics and gadgets. its not gonna happen. im sure if it was possible to do this with the price and safety and everyday reliability nissan would do it.

what u call the Ford GT,Z06,ZR1,GT500,Super Snake, and Viper?

[EJ25RUN]

what u call the Ford GT,Z06,ZR1,GT500,Super Snake, and Viper?

Ford GT - One of the smartest decision's Ford ever made.
Z06/ZR1 - Proof Kentucky knows how to make world class sports cars
GT500 - Proof Americans can go fast in a straight line and be satisfed.
Super Snake - Read Above
Viper - Proof that a second generation of a car can be worse than the first. (Especially if the French arn't responsible in improving it)

[OneSlow5pt0]

Ford GT - One of the smartest decision's Ford ever made.
Z06/ZR1 - Proof Kentucky knows how to make world class sports cars
GT500 - Proof Americans can go fast in a straight line and be satisfed.
Super Snake - Read Above
Viper - Proof that a second generation of a car can be worse than the first. (Especially if the French arn't responsible in improving it)

lol....but still,these cars are built for performace and raw power...there just something to me bout fighting a car to grap traction is way more fun then a car that turns with a flick of the wrist.

and yes i love the 1st gen viper,but i give the 2nd gen credit...it is a beast

[EJ25RUN]

there just something to me bout fighting a car to grap traction

That's a major part of road racing.

In any car no matter fwd, rwd, or awd. Anything with any level of power will lose grip once the weight begins to shift. The best drivers will find the grip and accelerate out of the corner faster.

[OneSlow5pt0]

That's a major part of road racing.

In any car no matter fwd, rwd, or awd. Anything with any level of power will lose grip once the weight begins to shift. The best drivers will find the grip and accelerate out of the corner faster.

i agree with you...but i just think the viper,vette and GT get overlooked as being ultimate driver cars.

i mean the vette is the most tamed of the group,but these cars will get u in trouble fast and harder to drive them at thier limits.

[JITB]

what u call the Ford GT,Z06,ZR1,GT500,Super Snake, and Viper?


truth.. i cant argue with that point... id say the vette/viper is the best at all around.. in that list.

[Elbow]

i agree with you...but i just think the viper,vette and GT get overlooked as being ultimate driver cars.

i mean the vette is the most tamed of the group,but these cars will get u in trouble fast and harder to drive them at thier limits.

Yeah, but honestly I have seen more wrecked Ferraris, Lambos, and Porsches on a road course then Vettes. So despite all the "crazy tech" gizmos people say are on these, they will spin, break loose, get sideways, etc all day long lol.

[OneSlow5pt0]

Yeah, but honestly I have seen more wrecked Ferraris, Lambos, and Porsches on a road course then Vettes. So despite all the "crazy tech" gizmos people say are on these, they will spin, break loose, get sideways, etc all day long lol.

yea i agrred they can be very hard to drive,but im more saying that american cars get overlooked,even though they will run right with these $500k exotics

[EJ25RUN]

Yeah, but honestly I have seen more wrecked Ferraris, Lambos, and Porsches on a road course then Vettes. So despite all the "crazy tech" gizmos people say are on these, they will spin, break loose, get sideways, etc all day long lol.
I think that there is proof money does NOT equal driving talent. Besides, most of those Ferrari owners stand around and talk about the track capability and don't have what it takes to get out there and run.

[Elbow]

I think that there is proof money does NOT equal driving talent. Besides, most of those Ferrari owners stand around and talk about the track capability and don't have what it takes to get out there and run.

Yep, there is nothing I hate more then Ferrari and exotic car owners bench racing from magazine and brochure information.

[RL...]

I think everything that needs to be said about this topic has been said...

[Elbow]

I think everything that needs to be said about this topic has been said...

Well TECHNICALLY this thread was to discuss the magazine article on the two cars lol. THEN it turned into a GTR debate.

[JITB]

Well TECHNICALLY this thread was to discuss the magazine article on the two cars lol. THEN it turned into a GTR debate.

GTR
Obama

guranteed 5+ pages..

[alpine_aw11]

Can we add GTR into the swear filter or something? I think everything that can be said about it has been. Move on to the Genesis coupe or something lol.

[Capt._Ron]

GTR
Obama

guranteed 5+ pages..

"Obama is a long legged MACK DADDY!!!!...He pimps white women AND Black women"

LOL

Ive got a debate $10,000 to build NA miata or S13 ????
Which could turn a faster lap time ?

[Elbow]

"Obama is a long legged MACK DADDY!!!!...He pimps white women AND Black women"

LOL

Ive got a debate $10,000 to build NA miata or S13 ????
Which could turn a faster lap time ?

The Miata....lol....that's a dumb question.

[Capt._Ron]

The Miata....lol....that's a dumb question.

I agree that the miata has better suspension esp up front but making power in a miata cost $ and I think that might help the 240 make up some of the difference.

[Elbow]

I agree that the miata has better suspension esp up front but making power in a miata cost $ and I think that might help the 240 make up some of the difference.

Not really, you could swap in another motor, or boost the 1.6, or a 1.8 and stroke it to a 2.0, not to mention power to weight, Miata owns the 240 on weight.

[alpine_aw11]

Not really, you could swap in another motor, or boost the 1.6, or a 1.8 and stroke it to a 2.0, not to mention power to weight, Miata owns the 240 on weight.

I want a 13b Miata soooooooooo bad

[Elbow]

I want a 13b Miata soooooooooo bad

I'm picking up a Miata shell soon and will probably do that to it. I've been looking into it a lot.

[itsnotarex]

The porsche beat it by a few seconds.

I don't think its definitive, but it certainly says something.

The GTR isn't really turning out to be all its cracked up to be in the media. Awesome car, but not the automotive messiah.

[Hikaru]

^no but worth paying attention to.

[RL...]

The GTR isn't really turning out to be all its cracked up to be in the media. Awesome car, but not the automotive messiah.

? It won car of the YEAR by several acclaimed magazines,....which are media sources, and cars like porsche's gt2, cadillac's cts-v were it's competition as were many other cars...

It's a great car. And it hasn't even had time to develop, this is the 1st year the car/vr38dett engine has been put into production. Porsche has had decades to improve on the 911, of course it's faster...

[RL...]

"Obama is a long legged MACK DADDY!!!!...He pimps white women AND Black women"

LOL

Ive got a debate $10,000 to build NA miata or S13 ????
Which could turn a faster lap time ?

240=2-4k

sr20det=1-2k

coilovers=1k

misc bs=tune, tires, maintenance bs, brakes etc...=3k

=badass little car.

[RL...]

Well TECHNICALLY this thread was to discuss the magazine article on the two cars lol. THEN it turned into a GTR debate.

There is no debate. Car is great. Some points about it may or may not have been exaggerated, and I know you would like to believe so, but you have an extremely biased outlook on this as you don't like the gt-r but like porsche, which is ok, but biased to not really a valid opinion.

That's like me asking someone who only like vanilla ice cream which is better, vanilla or chocolate? He's obviously going to say vanilla.

[Elbow]

There is no debate. Car is great. Some points about it may or may not have been exaggerated, and I know you would like to believe so, but you have an extremely biased outlook on this as you don't like the gt-r but like porsche, which is ok, but biased to not really a valid opinion.

That's like me asking someone who only like vanilla ice cream which is better, vanilla or chocolate? He's obviously going to say vanilla.

Um no not really. This magazine article wasn't written by me, all the unhappy GTR owners aren't me, all the magazines that complain about the parts I hate aren't me, so...lol

[DinanM3atl]

These threads are so dumb.

Any car guy if given the choice.

Porsche or Nissan...

Seriously? Who would take the GTR?

[Elbow]

Nissantun3r

[DinanM3atl]

That may be true I guess but that is just fucking stupid.

I would take the GT2 even if it was 20 seconds slower around the ring. No joke.

I would also actually take just a Porsche 993 Carrera over the GTR. The GTR is a fat pig and I like my girls thick... not fat ;)

[Elbow]

I have always said I would take a base model Boxster > GTR lol

[GSRcaucAZN78]

THis was done last night...

"HybridMT who previous ran a 11.6 without the old launch control got his ECU updated by Nissan with the 3k rpm launch and went to the track to test it out. The results are shocking...


R/T .082
60' 1.690
330 4.742
1/8 7.282
mph 95.43
1000 9.479
1/4 11.347
MPH 120.85

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=28329 "

[Elbow]

What's so shocking?....

[RL...]

I just read the article from automobile mag, it said when everything was said and done the gt-2 only lapped the ring 7 seconds faster than the gt-r. But the gt-2 costs 100k more. LOL

Just saying....

[GSRcaucAZN78]

Well, it ended up making the cover of www.autoblog.com


http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/49/l_c5598225d35d4cda955bdf7a6f89b7ed.jpg

[DinanM3atl]

I still want to know why they didn't test that...

[Capt._Ron]

I have always said I would take a base model Boxster > GTR lol

you did it wrong

s13>Boxster>GTR>Miata :D

[RL...]

you did it wrong

s13>Boxster>GTR>Miata :D

so did you s15>all!!!!!!!!!! :cheers:

[Elbow]

Sorry no offense after working with 240's and Silvias for a year I will never touch them again lol.

[Elbow]

I just read the article from automobile mag, it said when everything was said and done the gt-2 only lapped the ring 7 seconds faster than the gt-r. But the gt-2 costs 100k more. LOL

Just saying....

7 seconds is a HUGE gap on a race track.

And no shit about the price everyone already knows that.

[JITB]

7 seconds is a HUGE gap on a race track.

And no shit about the price everyone already knows that.


see about that price.. some will dismiss it with the porsche... BUT will bring it up when they refer to the Zo6,Viper ,M3 and add what you can add for the price difference.

So with that said.. give me GTR with the GT2 price difference....and im a happy MAN!

[Elbow]

see about that price.. some will dismiss it with the porsche... BUT will bring it up when they refer to the Zo6,Viper ,M3 and add what you can add for the price difference.

So with that said.. give me GTR with the GT2 price difference....and im a happy MAN!

A Z06, Viper, and M3 can be had less then a GTR. Is that what you're saying?

[JITB]

A Z06, Viper, and M3 can be had less then a GTR. Is that what you're saying?


they are all cheaper arent they?

[Capt._Ron]

Sorry no offense after working with 240's and Silvias for a year I will never touch them again lol.

the front suspension sucks i know LOL. But 240's are like that ok looking girl who isn't the prettiest but is fire in the sack and just keeps coming back for more no matter what you do ha ha. I guess my point is 240=effective