"Cash for Clunkers" bill has been defeated...

[quickdodge®]

A national "Cash For Clunkers" bill, introduced by Nancy Pelosi late last year and pushed hard by her to have in effect the day of President Obama's taking of the Office has been defeated. There are still state level laws in effect in Texas and California, but a national law was tossed out.

Introduced now, though, is a new bill to get rid of any and all cars that 18mpg or less. This goes for ALL makes and ALL models. Most of the import cars will not be affected, but at least round 1 went to the consumer. Later, QD.

[thepolecat]

So it sounds like the second muscle car era is coming to a close.

[IndianStig]

18mpg? thats about half of IA with all our turbo kits and v8 users

that shit will never pass though, the presidential limo prolly only gets 15mpg haha

[K20Z1]

i'm safe :D

[87 Turbo II]

Does this apply for older cars or just the newer cars as they come out?

[87 Turbo II]

ok a google search of 18 mpg law didn't turn up anything. Please put up a real source with more detailed information. this is worrying me as I get between 13 and 16 mpg average.

[DeeAOne]

18mpg? thats about half of IA with all our turbo kits and v8 users

that shit will never pass though, the presidential limo prolly only gets 15mpg haha8mpg. lol :no:

[quickdodge®]

Does this apply for older cars or just the newer cars as they come out?

My post made it clear. ALL makes and ALL models. Later, QD.

[jdmjeff]

18mpg? thats about half of IA with all our turbo kits and v8 users

that shit will never pass though, the presidential limo prolly only gets 15mpg haha
im sure their not gonna go to every garage... its probably 18mph and under in production and im sure theres some exceptions.

[jdmjeff]

My post made it clear. ALL makes and ALL models. Later, QD.
IF this comes in effect im sure their not going to take you turbo car (as an example) and put it in the crusher.

its probably for all up coming models in production.

[OneSlow5pt0]

guess i cant drive my car if it passes.

now is this hwy or city?cause that will make a big difference.

[redrumracer]

there are certain people this world would be better off without, she is one of them.

[EJ25RUN]

Let's start a petition to limit the amount of times a year Nancy can run her mouth.

[quickdodge®]

its probably for all up coming models in production.

It's as I stated, man. ALL makes and ALL models. And ALL years. Later, QD.

[Deke]

It's as I stated, man. ALL makes and ALL models. And ALL years. Later, QD.

I don't believe that was stated originally :ninja:

How would they go about regulating that? Seems like it would be similar to it being illegal to run no cats. Sure it's illegal, but it's doubtful you're going to be caught. I just see it really affecting cars with stock MPG ratings under 18 (if it passes of course, which I think is doubtful).

[ISAtlanta300]

It's as I stated, man. ALL makes and ALL models. And ALL years. Later, QD.

dang... wonder what they'll do with all those supercars then... (Bugatti Veyron, Lamborghini Murcielago, etc.)

[VickNotic]

how much cash we talking here? 8D

[87 Turbo II]

Well where is the link to this article? It's not like QD to post something without backing it up, and if this is a joke it's not funny, my baby is NOT getting taken off the road. Link or stop posting scary shit like this.

[quickdodge®]

Well where is the link to this article? It's not like QD to post something without backing it up,

LINK!!! (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28663037/)

Since you seem to insist so much on it, trying to call my bluff, there you go.


and if this is a joke it's not funny, my baby is NOT getting taken off the road. Link or stop posting scary shit like this.

This isn't a joke section. Later, QD.

[87 Turbo II]

Oh ok that is much better. They're not getting rid of the cars, they just want to. I thought their method would be a ban or a crushing, not offering cash incentives. $2000 for my car? No thanks U.S. government.

Also I wasn't saying you were bluffing, I just wanted a better understanding of what you posted and you were being somewhat vague.

[quickdodge®]

I thought their method would be a ban or a crushing, not offering cash incentives.

It would be an offer to buy your car and then scrap it for the metal. Later, QD.

[metalman]

First, as proposed it appears it would be voluntary program.
Secondly, there is no way that antique and classic cars will be legislated into the scrap pile. Americans are too much in love with the automobile for that.
This is just a feeble treehugger attempt to 'buy' so called "inefficient" cars from citizens.

[quickdodge®]

First, as proposed it appears it would be voluntary program.
Secondly, there is no way that antique and classic cars will be legislated into the scrap pile. Americans are too much in love with the automobile for that.
This is just a feeble treehugger attempt to 'buy' so called "inefficient" cars from citizens.

I posted in my initial thread that a bill to get rid of all older, more polluting cars was shot down by Congress last week. This is a new one to be more specific. There is a way it could be legislated. If the bill passes. But, like it's predecessor, it won't, I'm sure. Later, QD.

[Mike Lowrey]

In the first year of the program, a person trading in a vehicle that is model year 2002 and later would be eligible to receive $4,500 for purchase of a new vehicle, $3,000 for purchase of a used vehicle or $3,000 for transit fare credit. For model year vehicles 1999 to 2001, drivers would get $3,000 for the purchase of a new vehicle. Those who trade in vehicles that came out in 1998 or before could get a credit of $2,000 for a new vehicle.

OK, so....

2002-2008 = $4,500 credit
1999-2001 = $3,000 credit
19xx-1998 = $2,000 credit


The bill envisions the program operating for four years and encouraging the retirement of up to one million vehicles a year

and..... 1 million cars per year


Initial estimates set the cost of the program between $1 billion and $2 billion a year.

So, how did they come up with the $1-2 billion a year estimate? By my math, even if 100% of the cars came from years previous to 1998, it would equal $2 billion. So, it should be $2 billion++ a year.

Gov't = FAIL.

[Kaiser]

Cost reduction via the return they would receive for selling these cars into the scrap pile to the highest bidder would be a thought.

[Mike Lowrey]

Cost reduction via the return they would receive for selling these cars into the scrap pile to the highest bidder would be a thought.

I sure don't see them getting back $1 billion though.