FU$% DSLR's - RE: Rant @ IA photogs

[speedminded]

In response to the thread "Rant @ IA photogs" I present FU$% your DSLR.

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214523

The most important thing about any photo is the lighting and as A.P's quote from Ansel Adams says, "“A good photograph is knowing where to stand.”

5 megapixel Sony point & shoot taken in 2005 with no post processing. Look at those angles and the poles sticking out of the roof! Gotta learn somehow right? :tongue:

[speedminded]

How about a few more? The Bike shot was taken with a even cheaper sony point & shoot that didn't even have a screw hole for a tripod, sat the camera on a bag and used the timer...

[speedminded]

Here's a few landscape shots I took last year with a friends $150 Kodak point & shoot just to prove a DSLR is not needed. It's all about the manual settings...

[A.P. Photography]

LOL and this thread proves that you can pull off great shots with a point and shoot.

[boostedb16]

nice....i have a d80 and those are better than mine.

[Mike Lowrey]

LOL @ all the rants.

As shown in this thread, the photog plays the most important part in a good picture.

[uproot]

i remember most of these... :goodjob:

[CHADbee]

nice shots dude :goodjob:

i wanna play too....

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh98/chadbee123/Copyofbirdhouse.jpg

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh98/chadbee123/lologh.jpg



http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh98/chadbee123/leef.jpg

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh98/chadbee123/leefdate.jpg


shot with a canon power shot P&S, yeah there are some blownout highlights but these are better than alot of peoples shots with their SLR's that i have seen on some forums

[EJ_Allmota]

lol DAMN.. I dont remember the passwords for my old accounts with better shots from my Panasonic and Kodak days.. but i found one photo

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/khris718/100_5834edit.jpg

[changaroo]

yep fuck dslr's. i actually picked up a point and shoot yesterday no joke. something to carry on me at all times )

here are some from my old p&s from back in the day. canon a95. truth be told, if my friend didnt drop a bowling ball on my camera, i would still probably be using it. dont pay too much attention to composition and all that good stuff as they are kinda lacking in that department lol.

http://fc80.deviantart.com/fs9/i/2006/034/f/d/Even_More_Light_Trails_by_erykv1.jpg

http://fc58.deviantart.com/fs9/i/2006/070/8/a/Spring_Bud__by_erykv1.jpg

and even older... nikon coolpix 3.2 megapixel...

http://fc36.deviantart.com/fs12/i/2006/262/1/8/The_View_From_Above_by_erykv1.jpg

now granted, there are some things a p&s just simply cannot do. but for 90% of the photos the average joe needs, it is more than enough.

[james]

Yeah but I wanna look like a pro at the varsity for my photoshoot with my d40. LOLOLOL. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[mushroom_toy]

4mp Sony DSC p&s, the first is one of my favorite pictures that Ive ever taken.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/JubeiMunchCurry/Photography/ResizeWizard-1copy.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/JubeiMunchCurry/Photography/ResizeWizard-2vfcopy.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/JubeiMunchCurry/Photography/ResizeWizard-3copy.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/JubeiMunchCurry/Photography/ResizeWizardf-1copy.jpg

[4dmin]

lol i think is thread is so funny b/c its true - i have always thought Jason has shot awesome photos and he was using p/s :lmao:foto-fags!

[Ed]

i took a pic yesterday, i consider it the best of my work so far, let me know what you guys think...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2003/1699572993_88a4d81f27.jpg?v=0

[DinanM3atl]

I learned on a Panasonic P&S playing with manual :)

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l227/mdywglr4x4/Oct%2024th%20Shoot/Oct24th3.jpg

[puregroove]

I'm going to go get my Canon S2 IS... :D ...nice shots, folks!

[james]

dinan thats a sick looking car!

[A.P. Photography]

Ahh yes, the M3 before its stickering. lol

[DinanM3atl]

Ahh yes, the M3 before its stickering. lol

Yes it is.

I am debating on switching to spece30...

[boostedb16]

all these picture's are nice but how much post processing has been done.

[mushroom_toy]

On mine non besides watermark, resize and border.

[itsnotarex]

The only reason I bought a SLR in the first place was for the full manual control. Most point and shoot cameras don't allow you the same artistic control as a good solid SLR. I shoot with a D40 now like a lot of the people that annoy me so much, but honestly its because its all the camera I really need. It shoots in RAW, accepts all of Nikon's best glasses, feels good in your hands, and has a true full manual option. Aperture, shutter, ISO, white balance, and file type are all in your control. Nikon's optics are also famously awesome. I also started shooting with an ancient film SLR. Upgrading to a digital for me was simply a choice of what makes the most economic sense. I can spend a retarded amount on film and post processing over the next few years or I can just plop down about 600.00 for a decent digital SLR and never have to pay for film or processing again. Its pretty damned liberating as a photographer, I must say. To get the same level of control in a point and shoot style camera you'd have to spent about the same amount of money anyway, so why not go for the SLR when they're so affordable now? SLRs will produce better photographs than a point and shoot when in the right hands, but they can also produce much poorer ones in the wrong hands. Its all about the control level.

In that vein I do agree with you about dweebs who keep their d40s on the auto setting and happily snap away at car meets. Photography is about saying something with your photographs, provoking an emotion, changing the way someone sees something ordinary...not producing glitzy photos of your buddy's integra against the atlanta skyline.

[Slowboy]

I started with canon p&s, then bought a d50, Really all i need learned how to use it. Love and get good pics. Course I have not been able to use it as much as id like. Bein in the army. They dont really like you takin pics. pretty gay. But cant wait to get back and start snappin pics again. But yes you can do cool shit with a p&s. But never will be able to have the flexibility a slr with have.

[speedminded]

The only reason I bought a SLR in the first place was for the full manual control. Most point and shoot cameras don't allow you the same artistic control as a good solid SLR. I shoot with a D40 now like a lot of the people that annoy me so much, but honestly its because its all the camera I really need. It shoots in RAW, accepts all of Nikon's best glasses, feels good in your hands, and has a true full manual option. Aperture, shutter, ISO, white balance, and file type are all in your control. Nikon's optics are also famously awesome. I also started shooting with an ancient film SLR. Upgrading to a digital for me was simply a choice of what makes the most economic sense. I can spend a retarded amount on film and post processing over the next few years or I can just plop down about 600.00 for a decent digital SLR and never have to pay for film or processing again. Its pretty damned liberating as a photographer, I must say. To get the same level of control in a point and shoot style camera you'd have to spent about the same amount of money anyway, so why not go for the SLR when they're so affordable now? SLRs will produce better photographs than a point and shoot when in the right hands, but they can also produce much poorer ones in the wrong hands. Its all about the control level.

In that vein I do agree with you about dweebs who keep their d40s on the auto setting and happily snap away at car meets. Photography is about saying something with your photographs, provoking an emotion, changing the way someone sees something ordinary...not producing glitzy photos of your buddy's integra against the atlanta skyline.I agree with just about everything except you'll have a hard time finding a point & shoot that doesn't allow full manual control...even under $200. Then unless it's extreme lighting situations then the typical low to mid range point & shoot will produce photos as good as a consumer DSLR.

[james]

...... dweebs who keep their d40s on the auto setting and happily snap away at car meets. Photography is about saying something with your photographs, provoking an emotion, changing the way someone sees something ordinary...not producing glitzy photos of your buddy's integra against the atlanta skyline.


and why the fuck not? if thats what makes them happy, then fine...

its just when they go around spewing the shit they heard at wolf camera asking bullshit questions thats a bit annoying.


:rolleyes:

[DinanM3atl]

all these picture's are nice but how much post processing has been done.

The M3 was straight from camera. I don't even think I had photoshop then.

[A.P. Photography]

I also started shooting with an ancient film SLR. Upgrading to a digital for me was simply a choice of what makes the most economic sense.
In your case it does make sense I will agree. I do not; however, agree with everything you have said. You can very easily buy a PAS with full manual control nowadays. The only time an SLR will really shine, like Speedminded said, is in extreme lighting conditions or situations where you will need high FPS.

It is a cycle with the new "togs" that they all think they need a DSLR. Once they get a DSLR and realize there pics still suck, then they blame the lens. It is a cycle that is expensive when a one time purchase of a PAS will take care of 90% of their needs. :screwy:

[speedminded]

In your case it does make sense I will agree. I do not; however, agree with everything you have said. You can very easily buy a PAS with full manual control nowadays. The only time an SLR will really shine, like Speedminded said, is in extreme lighting conditions or situations where you will need high FPS.

It is a cycle with the new "togs" that they all think they need a DSLR. Once they get a DSLR and realize there pics still suck, then they blame the lens. It is a cycle that is expensive when a one time purchase of a PAS will take care of 90% of their needs. :screwy:I was happy with my point & shoot(s) for cars until I started crewing race teams and discovered a digital zoom is highly insufficient for the track. Once I got a DSLR I borrowed the slowest focusing telephoto lens made and was completely miserable yet was able to pull shots off.

[A.P. Photography]

I was happy with my point & shoot(s) for cars until I started crewing race teams and discovered a digital zoom is highly insufficient for the track. Once I got a DSLR I borrowed the slowest focusing telephoto lens made and was completely miserable yet was able to pull shots off.
I agree, shooting motorsports you need a DSLR. And are you talking about that slow azz 70-300 I had at the time? :lmfao: I still think it was funny shooting Le Mans and there would be some guy out there with us in a vest using a small point and shoot on a monopod. :lmfao::lmfao:

[itsnotarex]

Agreed, however using the full manual option on any point and shoot is usually going to be a bit clumsy. The dial and shift button on a SLR makes adjusting exposure settings much simpler and you can usually do it without leaving the viewfinder and blowing your composition. Sometimes the little things really do make a difference.

Plus most compact cameras with built in lenses have relatively limited zoom capability. The ability to use a fixed 50mm lens with a 1.8 aperture for portraits and the next minute click on a 400mm telephoto for getting a close up shot of the guy at the front of the crowd making a toast or something is worth the price of admission itself with SLRs. Sure you can get great photos with a point and shoot, but SLRs are designed for total artistic control. Things like being able to widely adjust the intensity of the flash, shutter speeds from infinity to 1/8000 of a second, and a lens mount that fits like everything are why you should buy an SLR. Not so you look like a badass.

[Dirty Octopus™]

:D


http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j261/Knonimous/Cayman%20Islands%2008/1IMG_1104b.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j261/Knonimous/Cayman%20Islands%2008/1IMG_1331b.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j261/Knonimous/Cayman%20Islands%2008/1IMG_1380b.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j261/Knonimous/Cayman%20Islands%2008/1IMG_1465b.jpg

i still want a DSLR though... for shots like this :o

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j261/Knonimous/Cayman%20Islands%2008/1IMG_1294b.jpg

[A.P. Photography]

The ability to use a fixed 50mm lens with a 1.8 aperture for portraits and the next minute click on a 400mm telephoto for getting a close up shot of the guy at the front of the crowd making a toast or something is worth the price of admission itself with SLRs.

This is what some of the noobs do not understand. A DSLR is not just a camera and one lens. You have to invest in lenses to cover different aspects of what you are shooting. Sometimes the lens is 4x or more the cost of the body.

[JITB]

Im no photographer myself, but i must share that i took these with a 2mp canon powershot...years ago..lol some of my own personal favorite pics!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/jitb37/contour/IMG_2029.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/jitb37/contour/IMG_1766-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/jitb37/civic/025-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/jitb37/civic/0052-1.jpg

[itsnotarex]

This is what some of the noobs do not understand. A DSLR is not just a camera and one lens. You have to invest in lenses to cover different aspects of what you are shooting. Sometimes the lens is 4x or more the cost of the body.

Right! The body of a camera is essentially a box that only lets light in when you want it to and for how long you want it to. I mean, a modern digital body is much more than that, but the lens is what controls your image quality, and thats why it costs so much more. Modern kit lenses rock, though. The 18-55mm that came with my d40 is awesome.

[SlowsterCivy]

I own a Sony Cybershot DSC T-10 and a Canon Powershot S5 IS. I'm really happy with both point and shoots. I favor my S5 IS more so though because it takes a little better photos. I want a DSLR at some point but am in no rush simply b/c I'm no pro.

[speedminded]

Agreed, however using the full manual option on any point and shoot is usually going to be a bit clumsy. The dial and shift button on a SLR makes adjusting exposure settings much simpler and you can usually do it without leaving the viewfinder and blowing your composition. Sometimes the little things really do make a difference.

Plus most compact cameras with built in lenses have relatively limited zoom capability. The ability to use a fixed 50mm lens with a 1.8 aperture for portraits and the next minute click on a 400mm telephoto for getting a close up shot of the guy at the front of the crowd making a toast or something is worth the price of admission itself with SLRs. Sure you can get great photos with a point and shoot, but SLRs are designed for total artistic control. Things like being able to widely adjust the intensity of the flash, shutter speeds from infinity to 1/8000 of a second, and a lens mount that fits like everything are why you should buy an SLR. Not so you look like a badass.If you don't know how to shoot manual on a point & shoot then what is the point of getting a DSLR? What's the difference between a P&S and a DSLR? They're both just boxes that capture light with a sensor, one is considerably more than the other. One views the world through the lens via an eye piece and mirror, the other just through an eye piece or LCD. BOTH have the exact same end function, records an image.

How many people on here are spending the least amount of money possible on a entry level DSLR so they can afford extra lenses, a flash, etc? Very few. They are just getting the cheapest one they can to say they have a DSLR and thinks it records a better photograph than something 1/2 or 1/3 the price.

The point was made in the other thread(s) about having to spend nearly 50% more on AF-S lenses because some of the entry level DSLR's don't have an autofocus capable body..that's how they are selling them so cheap. In the end D40 owners are getting ripped off by having to spend more on lenses but Nikon just wants to make the sale knowing 9/10 won't be using it to its fullest potential or needed anything more.

I'll challenge a D40 and kit lens against a $150-300 point & shoot any day. It just seems stupid to go out and drop down $500-600 on a DSLR kit when you don't know how to use a point & shoot nor even know if you want to pursue photography enough to buy additional lenses.

[A.P. Photography]

I'll challenge a D40 and kit lens against a $150-300 point & shoot any day. It .
I got my money on Jason. :goodjob:

[JITB]

If you don't know how to shoot manual on a point & shoot then what is the point of getting a DSLR? What's the difference between a P&S and a DSLR? They're both just boxes that capture light with a sensor, one is considerably more than the other. One views the world through the lens via an eye piece and mirror, the other just through an eye piece or LCD. BOTH have the exact same end function, records an image.

How many people on here are spending the least amount of money possible on a entry level DSLR so they can afford extra lenses, a flash, etc? Very few. They are just getting the cheapest one they can to say they have a DSLR and thinks it records a better photograph than something 1/2 or 1/3 the price.

The point was made in the other thread(s) about having to spend nearly 50% more on AF-S lenses because some of the entry level DSLR's don't have an autofocus capable body..that's how they are selling them so cheap. In the end D40 owners are getting ripped off by having to spend more on lenses but Nikon just wants to make the sale knowing 9/10 won't be using it to its fullest potential or needed anything more.

I'll challenge a D40 and kit lens against a $150-300 point & shoot any day. It just seems stupid to go out and drop down $500-600 on a DSLR kit when you don't know how to use a point & shoot nor even know if you want to pursue photography enough to buy additional lenses.

P&S vs. SLR

:lmfao: :lmfao:

PHOTO FIGHT!!!!!!!!

[Slowboy]

I think this could be a nice competition! Go for iT.

[A.P. Photography]

P&S vs. DSLR
No Photoshopping
Straight outta the camera
All internal settings put to neutral

[mushroom_toy]

One terrible thing about Dslrs though....now that I have one I cant stop myself buying lenses and accesories....I have LBA :(

[A.P. Photography]

One terrible thing about Dslrs though....now that I have one I cant stop myself buying lenses and accesories....I have LBA :(
Try having an "L" addiction. It gets expensive damn quick

[Nerdsrock22]

I caught this thread way too late...but i completely agree with the OP.

Some of my favorite shots were with my old $150 Olympus.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/165/372463545_78522ec733_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/173/372440603_aadca5335a_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/152/438270172_68713af457_b.jpg

[itsnotarex]

If you don't know how to shoot manual on a point & shoot then what is the point of getting a DSLR? What's the difference between a P&S and a DSLR? They're both just boxes that capture light with a sensor, one is considerably more than the other. One views the world through the lens via an eye piece and mirror, the other just through an eye piece or LCD. BOTH have the exact same end function, records an image.

How many people on here are spending the least amount of money possible on a entry level DSLR so they can afford extra lenses, a flash, etc? Very few. They are just getting the cheapest one they can to say they have a DSLR and thinks it records a better photograph than something 1/2 or 1/3 the price.

The point was made in the other thread(s) about having to spend nearly 50% more on AF-S lenses because some of the entry level DSLR's don't have an autofocus capable body..that's how they are selling them so cheap. In the end D40 owners are getting ripped off by having to spend more on lenses but Nikon just wants to make the sale knowing 9/10 won't be using it to its fullest potential or needed anything more.

I'll challenge a D40 and kit lens against a $150-300 point & shoot any day. It just seems stupid to go out and drop down $500-600 on a DSLR kit when you don't know how to use a point & shoot nor even know if you want to pursue photography enough to buy additional lenses.

I knew how to shoot in manual on my old nikon coolpix p&s. It was extremely annoying to use and made me not want to use it. This has been my experience with almost every p&s I have used. Also, most p&s cameras only have like two aperture settings and a limited range of shutter speeds. This is another reason to buy a SLR IF you know how to use it.

Your challenge is kind of stupid, honestly. Of course with all the settings on deault the picture won't be any better from a DSLR than a p&s. A LARGE portion of the reason you buy a DSLR is because you can control white balance, ISO up to 3200, whether the camera optimizes for color or monochrome, and a million other things. Like I've been saying, CONTROL is the selling point of a DSLR. Not because they "take better pictures."

People take pictures, not fucking cameras. :goodjob:

[boostedb16]

I knew how to shoot in manual on my old nikon coolpix p&s. It was extremely annoying to use and made me not want to use it. This has been my experience with almost every p&s I have used. Also, most p&s cameras only have like two aperture settings and a limited range of shutter speeds. This is another reason to buy a SLR IF you know how to use it.

Your challenge is kind of stupid, honestly. Of course with all the settings on deault the picture won't be any better from a DSLR than a p&s. A LARGE portion of the reason you buy a DSLR is because you can control white balance, ISO up to 3200, whether the camera optimizes for color or monochrome, and a million other things. Like I've been saying, CONTROL is the selling point of a DSLR. Not because they "take better pictures."

People take pictures, not fucking cameras. :goodjob:best point made in this thread.

[matthewAPM]

speedminded, is that a racegear.com lip or did you make it? notice any difference at RA?

looks good man!

[speedminded]

speedminded, is that a racegear.com lip or did you make it? notice any difference at RA?

looks good man!I made it from scratch. The first one was silver and the second one I made was fabricated using white aluminum.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/470820/6

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1884/1401/4708200058_large.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1884/1401/4708200060_large.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1884/1401/4708200091_large.jpg

Aerodynamics require alot of R&D to see differences. The same design was used on the RaceWorks Del Sols with 1200+ lbs/in springs up front and the splitter sticking out just over an inch and the front suspension was bottoming out in Turn 9. It was cut down to 1/2" and worked perfectly providing a little less down force.

The same setup in the 13hr at VIR and one year a driver was bumped off the track, spun, lost the splitter and spoiler completely, yet was still running the same lap times and both other drivers said they liked it without it. Some times you just never know?! You nearly have to be consecutive down to hundredth's with no other changes before taking too much notice to the aero. We always got "harassed" for having the little ricer aluminum wing yet without it the cars would rotate too much with some serious oversteer.

[Sentra]

Speedeminded's integra is the soy sauce!! The kikoman kind. Not the other poser shit.

[BB1_Luda]

I bought a panasonic DMC-FZ28 PaS/SuperZoom camera.
Got it for a steal on black friday.

http://www.slipperybrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/panasonic-fz28.jpg

Not a DSLR but and damn good camera. I can pull of some sick shots.
The zoom is insane w/ 30fps 720p video recording.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azAJ2T1r_Ew&fmt=22

I use it on the manual settings. Still learning alot.
Trying to make some HDR photo's later this aftenoon.

[atlantamx3]

I shot with a 3.2mp Minolta DiMage Z1 for years. I used the Manual settings and learned how to take the shots I wanted and then stepped up to a DSLR (Sony a100).

After shooting well over 20,000 pics on that camera in 18 months, I upgraded to a Sony a700 which has better noise reduction, Higher ISO capability, faster autofocus, and was just a more solid camera for my track work and for weddings.

I took some great shots on the Minolta P&S and still have it as an additional back-up camera. One of the great things about that camera is that it has 10x Optical zoom-- so while everyone else only had 3x, I was able to get super-close and frame shots how I wanted without having to crop in post production.

Optical zoom is where its at.

[DinanM3atl]

Jason you still have that whizzie?

[speedminded]

Jason you still have that whizzie?The Integra? Drove it today...

Needs tires for the stock wheels holding my coffee table up, an a/c compressor, and would like paint for the the '98+ front bumper, ITR lip, and hood since I think they're Taffetta white and the rest of my car is near mint Frost white. Other than that it's pretty much ready to sell! I just keep buying BMW parts :tongue: