playoff time! falcons at cardinals

[VIP Style]

so whats up IA the falcons first time at having the ball turner was stuffed, and ryan was picked off. whats yall predictions.

[HyPer50]

Falcons win, thats my prediction.. Rough start but now they are gettin' back into the swing of things.

[VIP Style]

Falcons win, thats my prediction.. Rough start but now they are gettin' back into the swing of things.
man i dont know, the cardinals are whoopin that tail, they just scored

[HyPer50]

My 2 points of the game.... The calls all night were bogus, but that one "safety" call was absolute bullshit. He never went down, and I never heard any whistles.

Point 2... Brooking is done, I've said it all year, I love him but his days as a starter are over.

[VIP Style]

Everbody was talking about the falcons had this cause it was a "easy" win man the cardinals walked our ass good

[white_rice]

well get them next time..




were gonna go alllll thaaa wayyyyy

[quickdodge®]

the cardinals walked our ass good

What do you mean "our?" Later, QD.

[VIP Style]

well i think one of the main reason we lost was because turner and norwood pretty much got canned, and ryan was some what out of sync.
My 2 points of the game.... The calls all night were bogus, but that one "safety" call was absolute bullshit. He never went down, and I never heard any whistles.

Point 2... Brooking is done, I've said it all year, I love him but his days as a starter are over.

[OUTLAW]

ummmwhat happed to you golden savior mr perfect ryan he sure ass hell fuckin played like shit rookie of the year my ass

[alpine_aw11]

ummmwhat happed to you golden savior mr perfect ryan he sure ass hell fuckin played like shit rookie of the year my ass

You really are a dumbfuck. The whole team lost this game tonight. Ryan sure does know when to fuck up though, I think that second interception sealed the loss.

On to next season. Hopefully our defense steps it up next year.

[OneSlow5pt0]

ummmwhat happed to you golden savior mr perfect ryan he sure ass hell fuckin played like shit rookie of the year my ass

wow

[VIP Style]

lol, cut ryan some slack, he was a tad bit overrated to begin with. like i said before, folks need to chill out and just let the guy turn into something better instead of putting so much on him, but yeah he did fu++ up today.
ummmwhat happed to you golden savior mr perfect ryan he sure ass hell fuckin played like shit rookie of the year my ass

[con]

Was wondering which chicken would choke.... I was rooting for the home team, but upset with all the die hard fans who were too excited over a possible wildcard entry.

[HyPer50]

ummmwhat happed to you golden savior mr perfect ryan he sure ass hell fuckin played like shit rookie of the year my ass

If there was a mute button on these boards, you'd be the perfect subject for it... Pretty sure nothing educated nor insightful has ever come out of you.

He's a freaking rookie dumbass. Nobody said he was perfect, ever. He messed up just like several people, it's part of life. But that takes nothing away from his amazing start of his career, and the fact that you damn well know he's going to get better and better. So you can talk all the trash you want and keep swinging on Vicks nuts, but the Falcons are better off now than they ever have been. Sucks that they lost today, but they exceeded mine and everybodys expectations this year big time.

[VIP Style]

lol please lets not bring vick into this, outlaw said nothing about vick to begin with. you have to admit though, there are alot of people out there who have put ryan so high up that they feel the boy cant over throw a pass or throw a pick. so it probably shocked alot of folks that he didnt look so hot today.
If there was a mute button on these boards, you'd be the perfect subject for it... Pretty sure nothing educated nor insightful has ever come out of you.

He's a freaking rookie dumbass. Nobody said he was perfect, ever. He messed up just like several people, it's part of life. But that takes nothing away from his amazing start of his career, and the fact that you damn well know he's going to get better and better. So you can talk all the trash you want and keep swinging on Vicks nuts, but the Falcons are better off now than they ever have been. Sucks that they lost today, but they exceeded mine and everybodys expectations this year big time.

[quickdodge®]

ummmwhat happed to you golden savior mr perfect ryan he sure ass hell fuckin played like shit rookie of the year my ass

Shut your bitch ass up, Boy. Don't you even realize how stupid you look when you hit ENTER? I mean goddamn I've come across some real morons, but HOLY SHIT if you don't brush them back. Later, QD.

[OUTLAW]

i never said one dam word about Vick. All i said was Ryan played like shit. An he did overing throwing, throwing ints. He played like trash know wheter you want to admit it or not i really dont give a flying fuck. Its just funny to me ( just like v.i.p stated) yall put this man on such a high fuckin pedel stool like the next joe montana or troy aikman dan marino. an so far the biggest game in his career he played like fuckin shit. lol at least vick did take us past the first round. now whts ur sassy comeback from tht. cause ill be doing wht everyother falcon fan is doing watching the playoffs with out our team in it. now again i am very pround of theTEAM for making it this far. but ryan is fucking overrated point blank period.com. now deal with you truck driving cant afford a 2000 model trailer park fuckin my own cousin low life piece of dog infested manure
Shut your bitch ass up, Boy. Don't you even realize how stupid you look when you hit ENTER? I mean goddamn I've come across some real morons, but HOLY SHIT if you don't brush them back. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

All i said was Ryan played like shit. An he did overing throwing, throwing ints.

You're right, he did. But you've consistently (along with VIP) trashed him all through the season. You always skipped the good to look at the bad, obviously forgetting that he is still a rookie. And when people point out the good and the positive, you think they're putting him on a pedestal and idolizing him.


Its just funny to me ( just like v.i.p stated) yall put this man on such a high fuckin pedel stool like the next joe montana or troy aikman dan marino.

Troy Aikman? Did you really include him with the other two? Stupidity, stupidity and more goddamn stupidity. You've got Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, John Elway and you throw out Troy Aikman? Lolol. Now I'm convinced you don't know a goddamn thing.


an so far the biggest game in his career he played like fuckin shit. lol at least vick did take us past the first round. now whts ur sassy comeback from tht.

Here's my well played, knock you back on your ass comment...."the biggest game of his career?" Are you kidding? This is his first season. He's (hopefully) got many more to follow. The word career cant even be used right now because, so far, he hasn't had a career to judge. Vick got through the first round only to lose the next one. So what? Ryan had a bad game and Vick didn't. It happens. Even your "great" Troy Aikman had a few of those.


now again i am very pround of theTEAM for making it this far.

Why don't you act like it instead of always tearing them down.


but ryan is fucking overrated point blank period.com.

He's actually rated right where he should be. He helped orchestrate a great turn around in a short amount of time. The overrated test will come next year in the test to see if he can keep up what he helped start. That outcome will determine if your jealousy is valid.


now deal with you truck driving cant afford a 2000 model trailer park fuckin my own cousin low life piece of dog infested manure

Awww, how cute. Someone on your level making jokes about trucking. Looks like someone's jealousy is overflowing. Can't afford what? I don't have to afford anything. I have 3 new cars paid for. I have a $150k house. Paid for. What do you have? That's right, not a goddamn thing. I'll always be better than you and you and I know why. Later, Your Father.

[quickdodge®]

Here's what's funny about you, Poutlaw. You had a problem with me before and we straightened it out. Then, you decided to try and convince everyone of your new found "government conspiracy theory and no one fell for it. You got offended and now you're upset again because no one takes anything you say with a grain of salt. It's not just me. It's everyone. I think even VIP knows this. You're mad because no one gives a shit as to what you say because you never make sense. You always come off as an uninformed, uneducated person. You take me too seriously and get caught up in feelings. That's one of your problems. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

lol please lets not bring vick into this, outlaw said nothing about vick to begin with. you have to admit though, there are alot of people out there who have put ryan so high up that they feel the boy cant over throw a pass or throw a pick. so it probably shocked alot of folks that he didnt look so hot today.

In a sense, you're right. I'm sure a lot of people were disappointed in that game. I damn sure was, but I'm still very happy at what they DID do as to what they did NOT do. This where the test of true Falcons fans comes in. The bandwagon folks. They will be the ones to bash the Falcons for not being able to play in a pressure situation. They will be the ones who bash Ryan, and maybe Turner. There were a couple of straight up dropped passes that could have been game makers. Who knows, ya know. But this was Ryan's first playoff game. He succumbed. I'm still a supporter of his. He has shown me he has potential. Looking forward to his next year. Hopefully, he'll only improve. We'll see, though, huh. Later, QD.

[HyPer50]

i never said one dam word about Vick. All i said was Ryan played like shit. An he did overing throwing, throwing ints. He played like trash know wheter you want to admit it or not i really dont give a flying fuck. Its just funny to me ( just like v.i.p stated) yall put this man on such a high fuckin pedel stool like the next joe montana or troy aikman dan marino. an so far the biggest game in his career he played like fuckin shit. lol at least vick did take us past the first round. now whts ur sassy comeback from tht. cause ill be doing wht everyother falcon fan is doing watching the playoffs with out our team in it. now again i am very pround of theTEAM for making it this far. but ryan is fucking overrated point blank period.com. now deal with you truck driving cant afford a 2000 model trailer park fuckin my own cousin low life piece of dog infested manure

Vick wasn't a rookie dumbass. Ryan's rookie season = leading the Falcons to the playoff and having the statistically best rookie QB season ever. Vicks rookie season = warming the bench for a year and a half.

I'm not gonna turn this into a Vick vs Ryan debate cause it doesn't friggin' matter cause Vick'll never play here again. All I'm saying is that the team is now setup better than it ever has been. We have the best front office in the teams history, we have our best RB since Jamal Anderson. We have a very promising ROOKIE qb, and a pro-bowl receiver. Not to mention we had what, 4 rookie's starting for us all year? Ya, I'd say we did pretty friggin' good in the draft.. Can't wait to see who Dimitroff gets us in the next draft.

[VIP Style]

yeah, did you hear the story about his older brother? the commentators were talking about how his football career was ended in a accident.
In a sense, you're right. I'm sure a lot of people were disappointed in that game. I damn sure was, but I'm still very happy at what they DID do as to what they did NOT do. This where the test of true Falcons fans comes in. The bandwagon folks. They will be the ones to bash the Falcons for not being able to play in a pressure situation. They will be the ones who bash Ryan, and maybe Turner. There were a couple of straight up dropped passes that could have been game makers. Who knows, ya know. But this was Ryan's first playoff game. He succumbed. I'm still a supporter of his. He has shown me he has potential. Looking forward to his next year. Hopefully, he'll only improve. We'll see, though, huh. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

yeah, did you hear the story about his older brother? the commentators were talking about how his football career was ended in a accident.

And how Ryan stated it wish it were him instead of his brother. Ryan was in the car at the time as well. Later, QD.

[OUTLAW]

yea i heard about that. sad man but atleast he is still alive and caan watch his lil brother play. and qd ummmmmmmm whtever lol cant think right now cause ur right i might not have a 150k hoouse but i do live right by the beach. i dont need to have 3 cars at once right now i only have two my eagle talon which is still n ga. and a 2005 chevy malibu tht i drive here on the island. i never said i was the smartest person on ia. as far as the govnt thing i do not trust this government do i think its corupted ass a 3month loaf of bread yes i do but i love this country which is way i have faught and shed blood for it. what have you done for this country besides milk it. i can at least said i have defend my country along side my men and women of the u.s army.
yeah, did you hear the story about his older brother? the commentators were talking about how his football career was ended in a accident.

[quickdodge®]

Vick wasn't a rookie dumbass. Ryan's rookie season = leading the Falcons to the playoff and having the statistically best rookie QB season ever. Vicks rookie season = warming the bench for a year and a half.

PERFECT!!!

Except for one detail. Vick only started 2 games of his rookie season. And his first came at exactly the halfway point. Not a year and a half. Other than that, point definitely proven. He wasn't a full time starter until his second season. Later, QD.

[VIP Style]

your right, the team is set up better as far as coaching goes, let me drop a bit of knowledge down about vick, cause i think he did pretty good as a QB for atlanta considering his circumstances, check it. vick was under 3 different coaching changes(petrino, mora, and reeves) what messed him up, eventhough at times he still made it happen, was that gimmick azz west coast offense that knapp ran really did not utilize receivers for downfield passes. their was a number of players unhappy with knapps play calling. crumpler was the leading receiver for vick simply because jenkins and white were not developed, they were in their first and second years with vick. the offense overall was better in vicks first season as a official starter than his other years. offensive schemes have alot to do with a QB'S success. the current offensive coordinator for the falcons is murlakey, who was sought after by more than a few teams. gregg knapps west coast offense didnt allow audibles, so its not that vick couldnt do some of the things ryan is, its just that they were in different systems. why do you think gregg knapp got fired from atlanta, his scheme is crappy. any QB will struggle if the scheme is not right.
Vick wasn't a rookie dumbass. Ryan's rookie season = leading the Falcons to the playoff and having the statistically best rookie QB season ever. Vicks rookie season = warming the bench for a year and a half.


I'm not gonna turn this into a Vick vs Ryan debate cause it doesn't friggin' matter cause Vick'll never play here again. All I'm saying is that the team is now setup better than it ever has been. We have the best front office in the teams history, we have our best RB since Jamal Anderson. We have a very promising ROOKIE qb, and a pro-bowl receiver. Not to mention we had what, 4 rookie's starting for us all year? Ya, I'd say we did pretty friggin' good in the draft.. Can't wait to see who Dimitroff gets us in the next draft.

[quickdodge®]

but i do live right by the beach.

You don't live on the beach because you put yourself there. you live there because (if I understand correctly) you're from there. You're family is why you're there.


as far as the govnt thing i do not trust this government do i think its corupted ass a 3month loaf of bread yes i do but i love this country which is way i have faught and shed blood for it.

Kind of hypocritical, don't you think?


what have you done for this country besides milk it. i can at least said i have defend my country along side my men and women of the u.s army.

Two things wrong (as usual for you). What makes you think I haven't done anything for this country? And, what do you consider "milking?" Do you consider working everyday for the last 22 years (since legal working age) and never being behind in taxes as "milking?" Do you consider NEVER being on ANY government handout list as "milking?" I'm just curious as to your definition of "milking." Enlighten me as I'm sure you can. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

vick was under 3 different coaching changes(petrino, mora, and reeves)

Let me undo some of your "knowledge," sir. Vick never played under Petrino. Petrino came in for the 2007 season. Vick's last season was 2006.

Later, QD.

[VIP Style]

yeah ryan rookie season was good, but that does not make him much better than vick just because vick did not start his rookie season and ryan did. both ryan and vick were drafted under very different circumstances. ryan was just tossed in there because the franchise was trying so hard to escape the shadow of vick and petrino. because if i recall correctly, redman was the clear cut starter in the offseason. it was a last minute decision to start ryan. whos to say that ryan will do good or bad next season, because the falcons have a very tough schedule next season.
Vick wasn't a rookie dumbass. Ryan's rookie season = leading the Falcons to the playoff and having the statistically best rookie QB season ever. Vicks rookie season = warming the bench for a year and a half.

[VIP Style]

well you know what i mean (lol) he was going to play under petrino.
Let me undo some of your "knowledge," sir. Vick never played under Petrino. Petrino came in for the 2007 season. Vick's last season was 2006.

Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

yeah ryan rookie season was good, but that does not make him much better than vick just because vick did not start his rookie season and ryan did.

Not saying Ryan is better than Vick on that note. Just on comparing the rookie seasons period.

An next year, holy shit at their schedule.

HOME AWAY

Tampa Bay Tampa Bay
New Orleans New Orleans
Carolina Carolina
Philadelphia Dallas
Washington NY Giants
Buffalo New England
Miami NY Jets
Chicago San Francisco

That's fucked up, lolol. Ryan will definitely get put to the test as well as the rest of this team. They're playing every playoff contender from this year (except NO and SF and Wash.). And even those three were competitors to a point. Later, QD.

[HyPer50]

ryan was just tossed in there because the franchise was trying so hard to escape the shadow of vick and petrino. because if i recall correctly, redman was the clear cut starter in the offseason..

*shudder* Eww... Redman as the starter, that'd be nasty. No, Ryan got the job because he beat out the other 2 (actually 3 if you include Harrington prior to getting cut) QB's. He was the best option, and he did a damn good job for a rookie. Ya he messed up here or there, but hell, everyone does. Did you see the pro-bowler Roddy White drop that perfect pass last night? Nobody is on point all the time. But as a general rule, you only get better with experience. So Ryan this year < future Ryan.

[VIP Style]

yeah i saw roddy drop that pass, all though ryan was on the money with the pass. its really not fair how a receiver can be paid so much to make a QB look bad. but i must admit roddy has grown to be more consistent at not dropping good passes, but you really cant bash a QB(like people bash vick) if a receiver consistently drops balls. but what about larry fitzgerald, boy we could use a receiver like that!
*shudder* Eww... Redman as the starter, that'd be nasty. No, Ryan got the job because he beat out the other 2 (actually 3 if you include Harrington prior to getting cut) QB's. He was the best option, and he did a damn good job for a rookie. Ya he messed up here or there, but hell, everyone does. Did you see the pro-bowler Roddy White drop that perfect pass last night? Nobody is on point all the time. But as a general rule, you only get better with experience. So Ryan this year < future Ryan.

[VIP Style]

now if ryan makes it to the playoff again next year, THEN i will be convinced "hey, this kid is the real deal man" lol
Not saying Ryan is better than Vick on that note. Just on comparing the rookie seasons period.

An next year, holy shit at their schedule.

HOME AWAY

Tampa Bay Tampa Bay
New Orleans New Orleans
Carolina Carolina
Philadelphia Dallas
Washington NY Giants
Buffalo New England
Miami NY Jets
Chicago San Francisco

That's fucked up, lolol. Ryan will definitely get put to the test as well as the rest of this team. They're playing every playoff contender from this year (except NO and SF and Wash.). And even those three were competitors to a point. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

now if ryan makes it to the playoff again next year, THEN i will be convinced "hey, this kid is the real deal man" lol

Same here. Like I've said from the beginning. I like what I see and I hope it continues, but you can't call him the man after just one season. I think he deserves everything he's gotten. I think the only people to put him on the pedestal are the "fans." Later, QD.

[VIP Style]

i heard that, so what do you think about joe flacco's chances today. if he wins, im sorry but dont you think they may have jump the gun with rookie of the year going to ryan? not to take anything from ryan, but the falcons were suppose to cruise past the cardinals
Same here. Like I've said from the beginning. I like what I see and I hope it continues, but you can't call him the man after just one season. I think he deserves everything he's gotten. I think the only people to put him on the pedestal are the "fans." Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

im sorry but dont you think they may have jump the gun with rookie of the year going to ryan?

I see what you mean, but with an earlier post I made showing the numbers on each team, the Falcons were the team with the worst chance to even make it. They were only predicted to go 3-13 this year. The Ravens, although not much better, had a significantly larger chance of having a good year.

But I do see exactly what you mean. Depending on how they do, we'll see, lolol. Later, QD.

[OneSlow5pt0]

we went to the playoffs,it was a great year.......o cares if we didnt win the superbowl,they did way betetr than anyone would have thought.

[BanginJimmy]

Peyton Manning couldnt win a playoff game in Indy until after the 2003 season. Even as good as he is, it took him 5 years to win one. He lost his first 2.

Ryan will be just fine. They need to replace Jenkins with a more stable receiver, and eventually do the same with White. I have a feeling they will have a shot at Dez Bryant out of OK St. in this coming draft. If they get him, he could be that other threat they need on offense.

The defense needs some youth. If they push the agenda of getting the defense younger, but keeping some of that experienced talent there as mentors they will get much better very quickly.

[alpine_aw11]

All I'm saying is we need to pick up Brandon Spikes next offseason(idk if he's declaring for the draft or not this year) to replace Brooking. You had a great run, Keith, but your old ass made a horrible mistake letting that tight end go.

And something to be said for Ryan this game, we wouldn't have put up a single point without his play. Our running game was completely stale, we would have been shut out if we relied on the run. He had a great first half after the INT. What really surprised me is we came out after halftime with absolutely nothing, not very typical of the Falcons. They tend to be pretty good with halftime adjustments.

[OneSlow5pt0]

yea,ryan had to throw over 40 times........i dont think he has done that all year,he was our whole offense...and if damn roddy white wouldnt have dropped that ball that be another TD.

my dream deal would be trade rights of vick and 2nd rd pick and maybe somehting else for calvin johnson,then have white as a 2nd WR....we be alot better.

i think our CBs are getting,but yea sadly brooking getting torwrds the end of his play.

[lowazzcord]

yea,ryan had to throw over 40 times........i dont think he has done that all year,he was our whole offense...and if damn roddy white wouldnt have dropped that ball that be another TD.

my dream deal would be trade rights of vick and 2nd rd pick and maybe somehting else for calvin johnson,then have white as a 2nd WR....we be alot better.

i think our CBs are getting,but yea sadly brooking getting torwrds the end of his play.

agreed we need wrs bad

[HyPer50]

What really surprised me is we came out after halftime with absolutely nothing, not very typical of the Falcons. They tend to be pretty good with halftime adjustments.

I think they went into half with a ton of momentum, and came out with it still, but that fumble absolutely killed them and they were never able to get back into playing good ball after it.

[VIP Style]

Oh so now y'all say we need receivers LOL I feel like this game was the first time the falcons had to rely on Ryan to win with his arm

[alpine_aw11]

I'm pretty sure all of us(I know I have) have been saying we need one big name reciever. White had a great year, I don't discredit him at all for dropping that pass. I mean he should've caught it, but he's still a very reliable target.

Basically, the whole team played below par. Each player had very costly mistakes, including Ryan, Turner, Brooking, and White. Of course the retards like outlaw are going to blame the game on that QB of ours, but it was pretty obvious to me that it was a universal failure.

[VIP Style]

man we gone need something next year because man that schedule looks extremely difficult. we are playing some really good teams man.
I'm pretty sure all of us(I know I have) have been saying we need one big name reciever. White had a great year, I don't discredit him at all for dropping that pass. I mean he should've caught it, but he's still a very reliable target.

Basically, the whole team played below par. Each player had very costly mistakes, including Ryan, Turner, Brooking, and White. Of course the retards like outlaw are going to blame the game on that QB of ours, but it was pretty obvious to me that it was a universal failure.

[OUTLAW]

so im wrong for bashing ryan. but its ok for you to bash vickand say how sorry the team was when he was here. like i said before at least we got pass the first dam round with vick. but enough seasons over vick will be out of jail this year an we can compare vicks up coming season to ryans.
I'm pretty sure all of us(I know I have) have been saying we need one big name reciever. White had a great year, I don't discredit him at all for dropping that pass. I mean he should've caught it, but he's still a very reliable target.

Basically, the whole team played below par. Each player had very costly mistakes, including Ryan, Turner, Brooking, and White. Of course the retards like outlaw are going to blame the game on that QB of ours, but it was pretty obvious to me that it was a universal failure.

[HyPer50]

so im wrong for bashing ryan. but its ok for you to bash vickand say how sorry the team was when he was here. like i said before at least we got pass the first dam round with vick. but enough seasons over vick will be out of jail this year an we can compare vicks up coming season to ryans.

Out of jail doesn't neccesarily mean back in football. He's still got a suspension to deal with.

[alpine_aw11]

so im wrong for bashing ryan. but its ok for you to bash vickand say how sorry the team was when he was here. like i said before at least we got pass the first dam round with vick. but enough seasons over vick will be out of jail this year an we can compare vicks up coming season to ryans.

It was not Ryan's fault that we lost that game. Every big name player we have made costly mistakes. When we went to the playoffs with Vick the whole team played a lot better than they did on Saturday. Shit, Ryan was our offense. How bad do you think that game would have been if he didn't lead every TD drive? The second interception was very costly, but how much blame can possibly be put on one player? It wasn't near Ryan's best game, but he showed some pretty damn good leadership for a rookie.

[HyPer50]

[QUOTE=alpine_aw11]It was not Ryan's fault that we lost that game. Every big name player we have made costly mistakes.[QUOTE]

Exactly. Everybody played mediocre. We didn't deserve to win that game. Ryan missed twice on the deep ball, Roddy dropping an easy easy catch, Abraham with what, 2 tackles all game? The OL didn't do great either, and Turner didn't have a big run all day... Just was a bad game all around. Nobody to blame specifically, just a loss that we earned.

Still very excited about the team and next year though. And to the post about getting Calvin Johnson... I'm pretty sure if the Lions got rid of there only other big player, the Detriot fans would lynch the owner. But I'd certainlly love it if we could get him lol.

[VIP Style]

im sorry but ryan was part of the big reason we lost because he turned the ball over twice and along with the unaccurate throws. but lets face it, ryan will always have vicks shadow over him simply because vick was the last QB to have more success than him. ryan has to win on a consistent basis to counter that. rather you like it or not, vick as of right now is a better QB simply because he did more for the team (winning the nfc south, nfc championship appearance) when he was introduced with gregg knaps crappy azz west coast bull, thats what was a huge part to the falcons not having success. its as simple as that. but i really cant wait to see where vick ends up, i think its time to let that mess go and just let him live his life again. i mean damn when does the punishment end ya know.
It was not Ryan's fault that we lost that game. Every big name player we have made costly mistakes. When we went to the playoffs with Vick the whole team played a lot better than they did on Saturday. Shit, Ryan was our offense. How bad do you think that game would have been if he didn't lead every TD drive? The second interception was very costly, but how much blame can possibly be put on one player? It wasn't near Ryan's best game, but he showed some pretty damn good leadership for a rookie.

[Greddypacked]

^^^ Ryan is not the reason they lost. The Falcons O-line got stomped, if you watched Arizona's D-line all game they counted the hike of the ball. Ryan having to call audibles by literally going up to the wide outs and r. backs cuz the croud yelled the whole game. That right there gave the d-line advantage to jump the hike easier w/ the calls from Ryan. Ya sure they got offsides a few times but the credentials were greater. Such as it caused the fumble w/ Turner when the DB picked it up and ran in for the TD that got Arizona the win basically. Turner was shut down by the D all game, nothing was happening for him well cuz the O-line got squashed. Turner would have scored a T.D. though on that play were he broke free but the refs called it back missing the timeout call by Arizona's D. Now Ryan did do great and had like over 10 passes completed in a row, but gave up 2 int. which were from 2 great CB's, and were in no shape very easy to catch. R. White is a great wide out but he drops passes that count the most occasionally, just like that lost to Denver when he dropped the winning t.d. in the end zone. He needs to focus more on important games like these. Norwood did good, and got them great yards when needed and recovered fumbles. Now the most naive play they did, was last quarter about 2 1/2 min. left and its 3 and 18 or more for Arizona. The Falcons do a rush D, which was stupid and left the T.E. wide open for the easy first down and the win. If we got the ball back who knows we could have won by one point. Thats what it came down to imo, and Ryan was in no fault of why they lost. Sayin 2 int. is the reason for them losing game isnt informative enough cuz that's not the reason why they lost. It didnt help though. Now the safety in the endzone, and fumble rec. t.d. ya is a big reason they lost.

[VIP Style]

^^ok look lol, i know your probably a huge fan of ryans, and i like him as well, but come on man if he didnt play well, he just didnt play well. and if he did great, most likely we would have won. its just no excuse for any of them. if the defense outplayed him and the falcons then they just outplayed them. ryan threw some bad passes and took a few sacks, maybe a little more athletic ability from him, then maybe they could have been avoided, but the o-line can be blamed for "part" of that as well. i was mostly surprised by turner being contained by a defense that we were suppose to run all over.[QUOTE=GreddypackedRyan was in no fault of why they lost.[/QUOTE]

[Greddypacked]

^^^ yes dude i understand your point but understand mine. Blamin it on a QB that did good all year-rookie-and did well that game is not the truth and well is basically just a opinion cuz you obv. dont think he's good. When you get sacked for one its probably 70 percent of the time not the qb. fault. Widerecievers need to get open, there are alot of people in a zone defense, plus you have the d-line running thru your o-line and blitzers. Alot of the time the qb. doesnt have enough time to make a play resulting in a sack. Why are you blaming that on Ryan, and Ryan's acc. was only off a few passes that game. The o-line got run thru (field advantage- you have screaming fans and the offense cant here the calls as much-resulting in defence counting the hike or jumping the hike) this gives the d the advantage having them run the o-line off balance etc. Have you ever played ball? Allright heres a ratio (D-line and O line there all like 300lbs + right some arent which are the faster one's) which one would be easier to do. If the D line jumps the hike and is running towards the ball having more force and the first to jump having more momentum, as to you just now getting up slower and trying to hold a huge defender from running thru you be harder. Yes, the o-line getting up to block the already moving dfender is harder and thats what happened alot that game. Anyways i can go on and on but no reason to, learn the game a lil more instead of blaming the loss on a great qb. that did well that game. I guess you missed the 10 consectutive passes Ryan made that game eh?

[Spectic Tank]

vick as of right now is a better QB simply because he did more for the team (winning the nfc south, nfc championship appearance)

FYI the Falcons entire team accomplished more that year...not Vick. You truely are a Ryan hater. So Vick is a better QB as of right now? Let's take a look at the career QB ratings.

Ryan: 87.7

Vick: 75.7

Looks like you're wrong. It seems like Ryan is the better QB as of right now. Maybe one day Vick will be back and he can make your statement true, but for now...in real life, you're wrong. Just like Vick alone didn't win us those games in 04, Ryan didn't lose this one. There's 11 guys on each side of the ball.

Oh yea, didn't you say you were a colts fan? Does this mean that Ryan is just as good a Peyton Manning since they both lost in the first round?

[phatzboyal]

this year was supposed to be a rebuilding year. mike smith, matt ryan, and turner all showed up this year. they played well beyond everyone's expectations. hopefully the falcons can learn from all their mistakes this year, especially in the playoffs against cardinals and come back next season as an even better team. and of course one or two big names wont hurt.

[quickdodge®]

I'm sorry, but now I will have to side with VIP on this. All you saying that Ryan isn't to blame must not have seen the same Falcons game that they showed Saturday. Everyone INCLUDING RYAN was at fault. Offensive line, backfield (although they can't do much when the O-line doesn't do their part) and the receiving corps. There were a couple of passes that were "on the money" that were flat out dropped. But Ryan wasn't exactly an expert marksman himself. He made a lot of bad decisions. Rookie decisions. You can't fault his experience level completely with his mistakes, although that was a factor. But to say he was not at fault? Come on and open your eyes, folks. This was an Atlanta Falcons loss; not a receiving team loss. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

so im wrong for bashing ryan. but its ok for you to bash vickand say how sorry the team was when he was here. like i said before at least we got pass the first dam round with vick. but enough seasons over vick will be out of jail this year an we can compare vicks up coming season to ryans.

Love how you left my response alone, there, homeboy. I got you, yet again, and you knew to leave well enough alone, huh? Later, QD.

[OUTLAW]

aaa my greatest foe. i tend not to pick fights with the helpless. lol you know i will always fuck with you QD. but on some real shit glad to see you finally admit that ryan played like garbage.
Love how you left my response alone, there, homeboy. I got you, yet again, and you knew to leave well enough alone, huh? Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

i tend not to pick fights with the helpless.

You and I both know I have your number. I'd still like to know the answer to my question. That's on a serious, no arguing tip.


but on some real shit glad to see you finally admit that ryan played like garbage.

I never didn't admit it. I never said he played great. In fact, I never commented on the game at all. Later, QD.

[HyPer50]

I'm sorry, but now I will have to side with VIP on this. All you saying that Ryan isn't to blame must not have seen the same Falcons game that they showed Saturday. Everyone INCLUDING RYAN was at fault. Offensive line, backfield (although they can't do much when the O-line doesn't do their part) and the receiving corps. There were a couple of passes that were "on the money" that were flat out dropped. But Ryan wasn't exactly an expert marksman himself. He made a lot of bad decisions. Rookie decisions. You can't fault his experience level completely with his mistakes, although that was a factor. But to say he was not at fault? Come on and open your eyes, folks. This was an Atlanta Falcons loss; not a receiving team loss. Later, QD.


Like I said earlier, everyone failed. I cant think of any player that actually stood out and performed like they had all year. Lofton and Coleman are the only 2 I can think of that didn't have a terrible day.

[OUTLAW]

Here's a little Mike Vick info for you that dont seem to understand the many records he has not only as a falcon but also in the nfl's history of QB's.

Intense competitor, who is blessed with rare athletic abilities not before seen at the quarterback position in the history of the NFL, possessing a combination of blazing speed as a runner and a cannon for a left arm. Called the most electrifying and exciting player in the NFL by his peers and media throughout the NFL.

Owns several NFL records, including the most rushing yards by a quarterback in a single season (1,039 in 2006), highest average per carry in a single season (8.45 in 2006), 100-yard career rushing games by a quarterback (eight), best two-game rushing total (225 in 2004) and rushing yards in a single game (173 in 2002).

His 1,039 rushing yards and 8.4 average yards per carry in 2006 marked NFL records for a quarterback in a single season.

Became the first quarterback in NFL history to tally more than four career 100-yard rushing games as he has now collared eight such contests in his career.

Vick and teammate RB Warrick Dunnhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.atlantafalcons.com/People/Players/Suspended/Michael_Vick.aspx#) (1,140) became the first quarterback/running back duo to each surpass 1,000 rushing yards in a single season, and one of only four teammates to accomplish the feat in NFL history, with the last being Cleveland Browns' running backs Kevin Mack and Earnest Byner in 1985.

Enters the 2007 season ranked third among quarterbacks for rushing yards (3,859) in NFL history.

Vick's 2,474 passing yards in 2006 moved his career totals to 11,505 yards, which ranks fourth all-time in Falcons history.

With seven wins in 2005, Vick surpassed Chris Chandler (34) to move into second place on the Falcons all-time career wins list for quarterbacks. Only Steve Bartkowski (55) has won more games for the team.

Earned his second consecutive and third overall Pro Bowl nod in 2005 as he passed for 2,412 yards and 16 touchdowns in addition to leading all NFL quarterbacks with 597 rushing yards and six scores.

Named to the second Pro Bowl of his career after leading the Falcons to their third division title in team history and breaking numerous NFL and team records in 2004.

Set an NFL postseason record for a quarterback with 119 rushing yards in the 2004 NFC Divisional Playoff win against the Rams.

Became the first quarterback to ever throw for more than 250 yards and rush for over 100 yards in the same game at the Broncos (10/31/04).

Named the NFC Offensive Player the Week on two separate occasions in 2004.

Became a bonafide star and MVP candidate in his first season as a full-time starter at the age of 22 in 2002.

Named to the 2002 Pro Bowl and became the sixth quarterback to be voted to the NFL All-Star game in his first year as a starter since 1970, joining Dan Marino of Miami (1983), Brett Favre of Green Bay (1992), Kurt Warner of St. Louis (1999), Daunte Culpepper of Minnesota (2000) and Tom Bradyhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.atlantafalcons.com/People/Players/Suspended/Michael_Vick.aspx#) of New England (2001).

Missed 11 games in 2003 after breaking his right fibula vs. Baltimore (8/16) in the preseason. Returned in Week 14 to guide the Falcons to a 3-1 record as a starter in the final four weeks of action.

Established several NFL records in 2002, including the most rushing yards in a game (173) by a quarterback and the most rushing yards by a quarterback in his first two seasons (1,066).

Top overall NFL draft choice in 2001 after a celebrated college career at Virginia Techhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.atlantafalcons.com/People/Players/Suspended/Michael_Vick.aspx#).

Was the fourth Falcons No. 1 overall pick in club history (Tommy Nobis in 1966, Steve Bartkowski in 1975, Aundray Bruce in 1988). The Falcons traded their No. 1 pick (5th overall) and No. 3 pick in 2001, a No. 2 pick in 2002 and WR/KR Tim Dwight to San Diego for the rights to the No. 1 overall choice a day before the draft.

[OneSlow5pt0]

yea his good stats are for running...........hes a fucking QB,they throw the ball.

[OUTLAW]

An for those of you that say his first offical season as a starter he didnt play well umm so guess all these stats are wrong then. what records did matt ryan break his very first season as a starter.
2002 (FALCONS)
Named to his first Pro Bowl after starting all 15 games played and completing 231 of 421 passes for 2,936 yards and 16 touchdowns (all career-highs). Also tallied 113 carries for 777 yards and eight rushing touchdowns. Established numerous single-game career-highs, including passes completed with 24 and pass attempts with 46 at Pittsburgh (11/10), as well as passing yards with 337 vs. Detroit (12/22). Also connected on a career-long 74 yards for a touchdown to WR Trevor Gaylor vs. New Orleans (11/17). Completed 45 passes of 20-plus yards.

Tied for third in team history for the lowest interception percentage in a season at 1.90. Continued a streak of consecutive passes without an interception that began at St. Louis (1/6/02) in the season-finale of the 2002 season and extended to the first quarter vs. Baltimore (11/3/02). His streak covered 25 straight quarters and 177 passes without an interception.

Completed 15 of 23 passes for 209 yards and one touchdown as he rushed for 72 yards on nine carries with one score at Green Bay (9/8).

Missed the New York Giants (10/13) because of a sprained shoulder.

Completed career-highs of 24 of 46 passes with one score at Pittsburgh (11/10). Also recorded 10 carries for 38 yards and one touchdown.

Completed 19 of 24 passes and two touchdowns at Carolina (11/24).

Earned NFC Offensive Player of the Week honors after setting career-highs and an NFL record for quarterbacks with 173 rushing yards on 10 carries to go with two touchdowns at Minnesota (12/1) as he completed 11 of 28 passes for 173 yards with one touchdown and one interception.

Completed 20 of 38 passes for a career-high 337 yards with two touchdowns and one interception vs. Detroit (12/22).

Rushed for 64 yards on 10 carries as he completed 13 of 25 passes for 117 yards and one touchdown in the Wild Card win at Green Bay (1/4/03).

Completed 22 of 38 passes for 274 yards with two interceptions as he rushed for 30 yards on six carries at Philadelphia (1/11/03) in the NFC Divisional Playoffs.

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yea his good stats are for running...........hes a fucking QB,they throw the ball.

EXACTLY!!!! That's why I've always maintained he would be an awesome tailback. He would be an awesome QB if he'd try that more than running. But why are you, Outlaw, still bringing up Vick and his stats? This isn't about Vick and no one ever disputed his statistics. Later, QD.

[OneSlow5pt0]

EXACTLY!!!! That's why I've always maintained he would be an awesome tailback. He would be an awesome QB if he'd try that more than running. But why are you, Outlaw, still bringing up Vick and his stats? This isn't about Vick and no one ever disputed his statistics. Later, QD.

he would been a great HB,but his legs are way to weak

[OUTLAW]

WOOOOOW i taught he was not good at passing so what is this i see right here

Tied for third in team history for the lowest interception percentage in a season at 1.90. Continued a streak of consecutive passes without an interception that began at St. Louis (1/6/02) in the season-finale of the 2002 season and extended to the first quarter vs. Baltimore (11/3/02). His streak covered 25 straight quarters and 177 passes without an interception.

does that say tied for third in teams history wait let me wipe glasses could swear it said a Continued a streak of consecutive passes without an interception yea but your right all he did was run. he had the strongest arm in the dam league

[OneSlow5pt0]

Vick was great in the 1st 2 years in the league,when they were still using him as a QB and not a side show.

[OUTLAW]

only his first and second year are you sure about that before you run your mouth like a dam ass do some dam research so lets say ur right. so that would mean in 2001 and 2002 was his only productive years. but wait was does this say ooo shit it says 2006 wait a min im not that good in math but i think 2006 is more than two years right so lets just see what vick did in 2006 shall we.

2006 (Falcons)
Started all 16 games for the first time in his career and set numerous career highs in both passing and rushing. Completed 204 of 388 passes for 2,474 yards with a career-high 20 touchdowns to go along with 13 interceptions. Also rushed for a career-high 1,039 yards on a career-high 123 attempts with two touchdowns. His 8.4 yards per carry ranks the highest in NFL history for all players with at least 100 carries. Recorded two games with four touchdown passes and one contest with three touchdown passes after entering the season having not thrown more than two touchdowns in a game.

Recorded three 100-yard rushing games to bring his career total to eight contests, expanding his NFL record for 100-yard rushing games by a quarterback over Billy Kilmer (4).

Vick and teammate RB Warrick Dunn (1,140) became the first quarterback/running back duo to each surpass 1,000 rushing yards in a single season, and one of only four teammates to accomplish the feat in NFL history, with the last being Cleveland Brownshttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.atlantafalcons.com/People/Players/Suspended/Michael_Vick.aspx#)' running backs Kevin Mack and Earnest Byner in 1985.

Enters the 2007 season with a 17-5 overall record when throwing at least two touchdown passes in a game.

Connected on 10 of 22 passing attempts for 140 yards and two touchdowns in the season-opener at Carolina (9/10) for a passer rating of 96.8. Also recorded 48 yards rushing on seven attempts (6.9 avg.).

Rushed for 127 yards on 14 carries (9.1 avg.) vs. Tampa Bay (9/17) in addition to completing 10 of 15 passes for 92 yards with one touchdown in a 14-3 win. His 127 rushing yards was his fourth highest single-game total and contributed to a franchise-record 306 rushing yards.

Tallied 254 total yards of offense vs. Arizona (10/1) as he posted his second 100-yard rushing game of the season by rushing 11 times for 101 yards and completed 13 of 22 passes for 153 yards.

Established a career-high with four touchdown passes vs. Pittsburgh (10/22), while completing 18 of 30 passes for 232 yards. Also tallied five carries for 40 yards (8.0 avg.).

Named NFC Offensive Player of the Week at Cincinnati as he connected on 19 of 27 passing attempts for a season-high 291 yards with three touchdowns and a season-high 142.7 quarterback rating. Also carried the ball nine times for 55 yards (6.1 avg.) in a 29-27 victory over the Bengals.

Carried the ball 12 times for a season-high 166 yards (13.8 avg.) vs. New Orleans (11/26). The 166 yards were the second most by a quarterback in NFL history (behind Vick's 173 rushing yards at Minnesota, 12/1/02). Also notched 84 passing yards on 9 of 24 passing.

Passed for 237 yards on 16 of 24 passing with four touchdowns vs. Dallas (12/16) in addition to recording 56 rushing yards on eight carries. His 56 rushing yards gave him 990 yards, which set a new all-time high for rushing yards by a quarterback in a single-season.

Tallied 109 passing yards on 9 of 20 passing vs. Carolina (12/24) in addition to posting 32 rushing yards on four attempts. His 18-yard scamper on the Falcons first possession helped him eclipse 1,000 yards rushing for the season, making him the first quarterback to rush for over 1,000 yards in a single-season in NFL history.




is that also passing stats i see in there lol some of you really dont know jack shit about the game of football. he broke the fucked mole on being a qb you stupid piece of grab assin amphibian shit




Vick was great in the 1st 2 years in the league,when they were still using him as a QB and not a side show.

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he broke the fucked mole on being a qb you stupid piece of grab assin amphibian shit

It seems you've made and broken the "MOLD (not mole, dummy)" on stupidity and worthless babble. No one was even talking about Vick, but here you come, swinging in on his sack like Tarzan to fuck up another thread.

I'm still waiting to see why you think I "milk the government" and why you think I have NOT "served my country." Later, QD.

[OneSlow5pt0]

i dont think i can reply in here anymore........i feel my IQ dropping.

[VIP Style]

lol look i understand what outlaw is getting at, he just trying to point out that vick is not this oh so horrible QB some of you make him out to be, vick is actually a hell of a QB, you really cannot argue with any of those stats posted above. lol i really dont know how else to explain it, if vick is good then dog on it he just is..nuff said, he will definitely contribute to whatever team picks him up

[VIP Style]

lol man you crazy
swinging in on his sack like Tarzan to fuck up another thread.

Later, QD.

[VIP Style]

lol man like i said, i really dont know why folks are saying vick was not a good QB.
WOOOOOW i taught he was not good at passing so what is this i see right here

Tied for third in team history for the lowest interception percentage in a season at 1.90. Continued a streak of consecutive passes without an interception that began at St. Louis (1/6/02) in the season-finale of the 2002 season and extended to the first quarter vs. Baltimore (11/3/02). His streak covered 25 straight quarters and 177 passes without an interception.

does that say tied for third in teams history wait let me wipe glasses could swear it said a Continued a streak of consecutive passes without an interception yea but your right all he did was run. he had the strongest arm in the dam league

[VIP Style]

wtf, legs are too weak....:lmfao: come on now you really sound like a hater with that one, you would have been better saying uhh he fumbles too much.
he would been a great HB,but his legs are way to weak

[FlipKing]

When vick felt pressure, he trusted his legs more than his arm. He was not intelligent enough to know the offense. Look at the recievers production this year compared to years past. Interceptions not so much, but jesus at the incompletions and low yardage levels. Vick could not be trusted to run a pro offense. Matt Ryan has done more in 1 year than Vick did in his career. Vick an incredible amount of potential but no judgement or ablility to harness that potential

[VIP Style]

not intelligent enough to know the offense:thinking: so you give a man 130million dollar contract who uhh could not be trusted to run the offense? lol oh lord forgive me if im wrong but just look at a few of the stats outlaw posted, he had a rating of 142.7 and threw 3 touchdowns in a game in 2006, a sorry QB who doesnt know the offense or defense does not have that kind of day, come on now.
When vick felt pressure, he trusted his legs more than his arm. He was not intelligent enough to know the offense. Look at the recievers production this year compared to years past. Interceptions not so much, but jesus at the incompletions and low yardage levels. Vick could not be trusted to run a pro offense. Matt Ryan has done more in 1 year than Vick did in his career. Vick an incredible amount of potential but no judgement or ablility to harness that potential

[FlipKing]

LOLOLOL, if you noticed Vick NEVER called audibles or changed plays, and he often, OFTEN completed less than 50% of his passes. Oh, you also would not give a guy 130 million to fight dogs...oh wait.... people make mistakes. Vick did not have the work ethic. If you look at the stats, Vick was getting worse at passing as his career progressed

[VIP Style]

that was a result of that WEST COAST OFFENSE! you cant blame a QB for being in a crappy system. that same system got vince young fucced up as well. if you knew anything about that west coast style, it does not call for audibles OFTEN which is why vick OFTEN did not do it.
LOLOLOL, if you noticed Vick NEVER called audibles or changed plays, and he often, OFTEN completed less than 50% of his passes. Oh, you also would not give a guy 130 million to fight dogs...oh wait.... people make mistakes. Vick did not have the work ethic. If you look at the stats, Vick was getting worse at passing as his career progressed

[VIP Style]

were not even discussing vicks personal problem off the field, we talking about mike vick the QB. no need to low blow the guy, he already down.
Oh, you also would not give a guy 130 million to fight dogs...oh wait.... people make mistakes.

[HyPer50]

lol look i understand what outlaw is getting at, he just trying to point out that vick is not this oh so horrible QB some of you make him out to be, vick is actually a hell of a QB, you really cannot argue with any of those stats posted above. lol i really dont know how else to explain it, if vick is good then dog on it he just is..nuff said, he will definitely contribute to whatever team picks him up

I never said Vick was a horrible QB. Vick was exciting and he set records due to his running skill, not his QB/throwing skill. Ryan = MUCH better leader (if you doubt this then your a dumb fuck), many of Vicks teammates have been quoted as saying how much of a loner he was and not really a "ra-ra" guy. Ryan all has a much better personality and I'm pretty much positive he won't ever have trouble with the cops whether its' for stolen watches, weed in water bottles, or shooting dogs. So he's much more reliable. Also he seems to be doing a pretty damn good job with the players he has, he's not surrounded by all-stars but this team has come together and performed like they were.

I am just sick of people making it sound like it's Atlanta's fault that they had to move on. VICK FUCKED THE FALCONS, period. If you can't get that through you're thick skull (not necessarily VIP, but in general) then you're just ignorant. It was 110% his fault, so stop with the whole "atlanta gonna regret lettin' him go" bs. Vick had talent, but he wasted 3 years of his prime career age because he was a dumb fuck. Nuff said.

[FlipKing]

It was used to point out that people make mistakes, Actually I've defended Vick alot. Vick got crusified b-c of his fame. Any other guy gets caught fighting dogs, its a fine at worst. West Coast crappy system? Ohhh, kk, let me let steve young know about that.... Vick often missed fairly open receivers b-c his lack of accuracy and his panic anytime there was pressure at all. He tucked and ran too much.

[VIP Style]

i really dont recall this thread or any of my post being about atlanta moving on because vick fucked himself, of course thats what the falcons should do, move on. this thread is about the playoff game and how people discredit vicks "on-the-field" ability. we talking strictly football, not vicks personal problems.
I never said Vick was a horrible QB. Vick was exciting and he set records due to his running skill, not his QB/throwing skill. Ryan = MUCH better leader (if you doubt this then your a dumb fuck), many of Vicks teammates have been quoted as saying how much of a loner he was and not really a "ra-ra" guy. Ryan all has a much better personality and I'm pretty much positive he won't ever have trouble with the cops whether its' for stolen watches, weed in water bottles, or shooting dogs. So he's much more reliable. Also he seems to be doing a pretty damn good job with the players he has, he's not surrounded by all-stars but this team has come together and performed like they were.

I am just sick of people making it sound like it's Atlanta's fault that they had to move on. VICK FUCKED THE FALCONS, period. If you can't get that through you're thick skull (not necessarily VIP, but in general) then you're just ignorant. It was 110% his fault, so stop with the whole "atlanta gonna regret lettin' him go" bs. Vick had talent, but he wasted 3 years of his prime career age because he was a dumb fuck. Nuff said.

[OUTLAW]

lol it kills me tht we go from football an all they can do is talk about legal issues that the man is paying is debt right now as we speak. but to some of you thats not good enough you rather see the man get life in prison it was a fucking dog all you peta lovers can go to hell i really dont value a sorry ass dogs life more than a human life sorry call me evil or mean. i was just posting that vick as made more history than matt ryan in his frist year as a starter wheter you like it or not vick will one day be n the hall of fame there was never a qb like before an wont be for a while. so stick to the facts stop crying about a crime thats already a close case. an for you idots he will play again an we all know it wont be for the falcons but trust me next season he will be playing. all he needs is the right team an coaching staff. i will admit he did fuck him self up but like i said before there are other players numberous players that have far wrost crimes than mike vick i dont hear you bitches screaming for justice with those players
i really dont recall this thread or any of my post being about atlanta moving on because vick fucked himself, of course thats what the falcons should do, move on. this thread is about the playoff game and how people discredit vicks "on-the-field" ability. we talking strictly football, not vicks personal problems.

[HyPer50]

lol it kills me tht we go from football an all they can do is talk about legal issues that the man is paying is debt right now as we speak. but to some of you thats not good enough you rather see the man get life in prison it was a fucking dog all you peta lovers can go to hell i really dont value a sorry ass dogs life more than a human life sorry call me evil or mean. i was just posting that vick as made more history than matt ryan in his frist year as a starter wheter you like it or not vick will one day be n the hall of fame there was never a qb like before an wont be for a while. so stick to the facts stop crying about a crime thats already a close case. an for you idots he will play again an we all know it wont be for the falcons but trust me next season he will be playing. all he needs is the right team an coaching staff. i will admit he did fuck him self up but like i said before there are other players numberous players that have far wrost crimes than mike vick i dont hear you bitches screaming for justice with those players

Have you seen Terrell Pryor? He's a freshman QB and already looks like Vick. And ya, Vick may have set more records than Ryan so far, but Ryan has only played for 1 season... How many rookie records did Vick break?

[VIP Style]

Have you seen Terrell Pryor? He's a freshman QB and already looks like Vick. And ya, Vick may have set more records than Ryan so far, but Ryan has only played for 1 season... How many rookie records did Vick break?
Real talk rookie stats are good and all, but they really don't mean squat. For example you can have a guy that started his rookie season and put up impressive numbers then all of a sudden the following years he plays like garbage you see what I'm saying. Ryan got the rookie start because of the situation he was drafted into. Not every player is drafted into a urgent situation where he must start right away. Honestly though if shockley was not injured in that one preseason game, I think he would have been our starter, I mean who better than a home town hero to lead the team ya know

[Spectic Tank]

Real talk rookie stats are good and all, but they really don't mean squat. For example you can have a guy that started his rookie season and put up impressive numbers then all of a sudden the following years he plays like garbage you see what I'm saying. Ryan got the rookie start because of the situation he was drafted into. Not every player is drafted into a urgent situation where he must start right away. Honestly though if shockley was not injured in that one preseason game, I think he would have been our starter, I mean who better than a home town hero to lead the team ya know

Uh, maybe the guy you drafted third overall?

The day Mike Smith became the coach he said that ALL positions were open. Nobody was gauranteed a starting job. Ryan got the job because he was the best Qb on the team. Period.

[BanginJimmy]

Honestly though if shockley was not injured in that one preseason game, I think he would have been our starter, I mean who better than a home town hero to lead the team ya know

The only way Shockley will ever play in an NFL game is if Ryan goes down, and the Falcons are up or down so much that they dont want to risk their #2 (now starting) QB.

Shockley looked bad in the preseason against mostly rookies and scrubs, what do you think will happen if he is playing agisnt first stringers?

IMO Shockley has the best position in football. He gets paid over 1 million a year and only has to practice. He may get in for a couple of series during the preseason at best.

On that thought, I think the falcons draft a project QB in this years draft and finally cut Shockley. Armanti Edwards out of Appy St. comes to mind. He does everything that Shockley can do, but he does it better.

[alpine_aw11]

We should draft Tebow and set up a dual QB system within a couple years.......:ninja:

[HyPer50]

For example you can have a guy that started his rookie season and put up impressive numbers then all of a sudden the following years he plays like garbage you see what I'm saying.

Can you name any examples? Cause I certainly can't think of any. It's pretty much a given, that you only get better after your rookie season.... So for someone who started out doing pretty damn good there rookie season, where's the cap? I'm not saying he's the best, I'm just saying he had the best rookie season that I can remember. Roethlisberger was "ok" his rookie season, certainly he was a suprise, but I think Ryan has shown much better leadership (he audibles and does the hurry up like friggin' Peyton). Future looks bright for the Falcons.

[alpine_aw11]

Can you name any examples? Cause I certainly can't think of any. It's pretty much a given, that you only get better after your rookie season.... So for someone who started out doing pretty damn good there rookie season, where's the cap? I'm not saying he's the best, I'm just saying he had the best rookie season that I can remember. Roethlisberger was "ok" his rookie season, certainly he was a suprise, but I think Ryan has shown much better leadership (he audibles and does the hurry up like friggin' Peyton). Future looks bright for the Falcons.

Over this year I've seen Ryan more for his potential, not his actual numbers. Shit, I don't know what numbers he put up but regardless I think we're set on the QB position as long as he stays healthy.

[VIP Style]

ok let me correct myself, not necessarily playing like garbage, but just playing below average or average compared to the rookie season of impressive numbers you know. i must admit though, the falcons do look as if there future will be pretty damn good, cant wait till next season, the schedule looks rather difficult
Can you name any examples? Cause I certainly can't think of any. It's pretty much a given, that you only get better after your rookie season.... So for someone who started out doing pretty damn good there rookie season, where's the cap? I'm not saying he's the best, I'm just saying he had the best rookie season that I can remember. Roethlisberger was "ok" his rookie season, certainly he was a suprise, but I think Ryan has shown much better leadership (he audibles and does the hurry up like friggin' Peyton). Future looks bright for the Falcons.

[OUTLAW]

ill help you out vip one example bret farve one of the greatest qb to ever play the game fucked sucked ass his first year thts why the falcons traded him to green bay but he then become a fuckin force.

[OneSlow5pt0]

brett didnt suck here...he only threw 3 passes i believe while he was here.

[BanginJimmy]

I can think of quite a few QB's that had great runs in their first year starting then went on to be garbage in their second year and/or beyond.

Ryan Leaf
Vince Young
Rick Mirer
Wrecks Grossman
Derrik Anderson

the list goes on.

[FlipKing]

actually, only reason Favre became that good was BECAUSE the falcons traded him. It was a wake up call and it helped him stop drinking. Matt Ryan actually throws much less intercetions than Peyton Manning did in the beginning of his career.

[quickdodge®]

i really dont value a sorry ass dogs life more than a human life sorry call me evil or mean.

So you're saying that Vick had those dogs fighting and put to death because it was either his life or the dogs?

Seriously, since you refuse to answer my other questions, at least answer this one....have you ever wondered what it would be like to have common sense or any intelligence? Really, I'm not asking for shits and giggles or anything. I'm really curious. I know that if I were to scrape the bottom of the educational barrel, I'd see you right there smiling your ass off because you seem like the type that values and cherishes your level of stupidity. You ever wondered what it be like to walk into a room full of Downs' Syndrome children and NOT have them look at you and say, "Now THERE'S a dumbass."? Later, QD.

[HyPer50]

ill help you out vip one example bret farve one of the greatest qb to ever play the game fucked sucked ass his first year thts why the falcons traded him to green bay but he then become a fuckin force.

He sucked because he was a drunk... Thats a different story. Atlanta's night life > Green Bay... helped him calm down his personal life and he became better and had a great QB coach in Holmgren... Had nothin' to do with his ability as a QB.

[VIP Style]

QD, lol i think you just interpreted what outlaw was saying wrong, he was just simply stating that enough is enough, the man is doing his time and then some(loss of endorsements, public outcry, etc.) so folks need to quit asking for his head on a silver platter. personally yeah i know what he did was wrong, but damn enough already. and another thing, i noticed that the falcons have not officially released him from the roster, so are they using him for trade bait or what?
So you're saying that Vick had those dogs fighting and put to death because it was either his life or the dogs?

Seriously, since you refuse to answer my other questions, at least answer this one....have you ever wondered what it would be like to have common sense or any intelligence? Really, I'm not asking for shits and giggles or anything. I'm really curious. I know that if I were to scrape the bottom of the educational barrel, I'd see you right there smiling your ass off because you seem like the type that values and cherishes your level of stupidity. You ever wondered what it be like to walk into a room full of Downs' Syndrome children and NOT have them look at you and say, "Now THERE'S a dumbass."? Later, QD.

[FlipKing]

Thats the thing, They have under contract for about 7 more years. So they can trade him, or if they chose, let him sit at home and do nothing for 7 years. :)

[quickdodge®]

QD, lol i think you just interpreted what outlaw was saying wrong,

I understand what he was saying. I just get a kick out of making him look just as stupid as he makes himself look. At least you seem to know what you're talking about and can make sense with your posts and make your posts legible. This guy just reeks of elementary school drop out.

And then he has the nerve to claim that I didn't serve for the country and that I "milk" the government? But he's afraid to back that up. Later, QD.

[BanginJimmy]

and another thing, i noticed that the falcons have not officially released him from the roster, so are they using him for trade bait or what?

Falcons cannot cut him while he is suspended. It would have salary cap implications. Also, I doubt they will find anyone that is willing to give up anything for a player that may or may not ever come back to the NFL. If you remember, Vick really pissed off Goodell when he lied to him about the dog fighting, then pissed him off further when he popped on the drug test. I would not be the least bit suprised if Vick ends up suspended for at least the 2009 season and would probably wage that he sits for the 2010 season also.

[VIP Style]

Falcons cannot cut him while he is suspended. It would have salary cap implications. Also, I doubt they will find anyone that is willing to give up anything for a player that may or may not ever come back to the NFL. If you remember, Vick really pissed off Goodell when he lied to him about the dog fighting, then pissed him off further when he popped on the drug test. I would not be the least bit suprised if Vick ends up suspended for at least the 2009 season and would probably wage that he sits for the 2010 season also.
hmmm i see, but that drug test was failed on purpose, because depending on certain inmates circumstances, attending a drug treatment program can warrant for a early release. IMO i think he should be reinstated for the upcoming season. No matter who you are superstar, actor, regular joe smoe, you break the law, then you pay. but damn i kind of get the feeling they went overkill with vick. im sure that I am not the only one who feels that way about his situation.

[FlipKing]

Like I said, he was def crucified because of his fame. i believe that eventually the falcons will get atleast a 4th round pick for the rights to Vick

[Spectic Tank]

Like I said, he was def crucified because of his fame. i believe that eventually the falcons will get atleast a 4th round pick for the rights to Vick

Are you guys kidding me? he got crucified?! He's not doing anywhere near the maximum sentence for the crimes he was charged of. Yes, he should be allowed to return to his life once he pays for his crimes, but he got exactly what he deserved. If that was you or me we would be in jail for A LOT longer. Look at those mafia guys who are in jail for violating the RICOH laws...they're doing a lot more than 2-3 years...

[FlipKing]

LOL, ok, see people think that he was the only one dog fighting, I could take you to any number of dog fights any given night. They get caught, they get a ticket. No jail time or anything a ticket. at worst they go to jail for a week. so yeah, Vick was made an example of. I hate vick. he made stupid decisions and screwed the falcons, but he did get screwed.

[BanginJimmy]

LOL, ok, see people think that he was the only one dog fighting, I could take you to any number of dog fights any given night. They get caught, they get a ticket. No jail time or anything a ticket. at worst they go to jail for a week. so yeah, Vick was made an example of. I hate vick. he made stupid decisions and screwed the falcons, but he did get screwed.

You are acting like the Feds actually charged Vick with dog fighting. They didnt, they charged him with interstate commerce violations, RICO and tax evasion. He is VERY lucky he only got 23 months. He could have easily gone for 23 years.


If you know about all of these dog fights, why not do the right thing and turn them in? You want to complain about Vick getting screwed, but dont have the sack to do the right thing yourself.

For the record, people like FlipKing are the reason I value the life of a dog more than I do the life of an adult human.

[FlipKing]

HAHAH, its not that I've even ever been to one, just about have connections. I could find them if I wished, I Love animals and would never fight dogs. Get the facts before you start throwing accusations and talkin bout sack

[HyPer50]

LOL, ok, see people think that he was the only one dog fighting, I could take you to any number of dog fights any given night. They get caught, they get a ticket. No jail time or anything a ticket. at worst they go to jail for a week. so yeah, Vick was made an example of. I hate vick. he made stupid decisions and screwed the falcons, but he did get screwed.

Dog fighting was just one of the several crimes he was proved guilty of.

[FlipKing]

But it was the big one that the public was informed/convinced of and the reason he was prosecuted as he was.

[BanginJimmy]

But it was the big one that the public was informed/convinced of and the reason he was prosecuted as he was.

The feds never prosecuted him for dog fighting. That was only the State of VA and he got probation for it.

[VIP Style]

ok lets be honest though, vick got fucked for real, first off i honestly dont think it took one million dollars to place the remaining dogs on his property into a shelter. come on think about it, thats alot of money.

[VIP Style]

If you know about all of these dog fights, why not do the right thing and turn them in? You want to complain about Vick getting screwed, but dont have the sack to do the right thing yourself.

.hell thats call snitchin, let the law catch them, because at the end of the day, when it surfaces that you the snitch, you will get dealt with, and those dogs will not be writing you thank you letters and all that good stuff(lol).them laws will not be there to back you up once it surfaces that you the snitch. dog fighting is not my thing, but i can tell you one thing, the law sure doesnt consider stopping it a top priority.

[Spectic Tank]

ok lets be honest though, vick got fucked for real, first off i honestly dont think it took one million dollars to place the remaining dogs on his property into a shelter. come on think about it, thats alot of money.

Let's be honest...Vick fucked himself. He is an idiot plain and simple.

That's also a lot of dogs that need food and medical care...

[VIP Style]

of course he fucced himself thats obvious, everybody can see that. but what about his so called financial advisors stealing from him while he is on lock? they are being dealt with just as vick is. and im sorry i really dont think it took 1 million to care for those dogs man, some of them probably did not even need medical attention, just a shelter to stay at. and dog food is not that expensive to be racking up a million dollar check.
Let's be honest...Vick fucked himself. He is an idiot plain and simple.

That's also a lot of dogs that need food and medical care...

[VIP Style]

ok so back to football, so what should the falcons get in the draft. michael crabtree would be nice, but i know thats not happening.

[Spectic Tank]

ok so back to football, so what should the falcons get in the draft. michael crabtree would be nice, but i know thats not happening.

Defense. We need another lineman, lb, and safety. I think those would #1 priority. And then add depth to other positions.

[Spectic Tank]

of course he fucced himself thats obvious, everybody can see that. but what about his so called financial advisors stealing from him while he is on lock? they are being dealt with just as vick is. and im sorry i really dont think it took 1 million to care for those dogs man, some of them probably did not even need medical attention, just a shelter to stay at. and dog food is not that expensive to be racking up a million dollar check.

Did you watch the documentary on the dogs? They needed a lot of rehabilitation which costs money for trainers. And yes, many of them needed surgeries. Especially the bitches who had all their teeth removed. And those aren't cheap.

[VIP Style]

man i heard that about the linebackers, brooking is kind of slowing down you know.
Defense. We need another lineman, lb, and safety. I think those would #1 priority. And then add depth to other positions.

[FlipKing]

:-P I already made a thread about that. lol titled NFL Draft

[Spectic Tank]

man i heard that about the linebackers, brooking is kind of slowing down you know.

yea, he's been slowing down. Plus, Boley should be gone after this year as well. He's a free agent and with Coy Wire getting starts toward the end of the season he won't be around..