Driving a manual the appropriate way w/ less wear and tear, comments.

[Greddypacked]

Well we all know people drive manual cars alot of there own way, wrongfully engaging-disengaging gears, revving to high to shift, wrong shift points etc... lol. I have a 2G eclipse 5 speed and i have been double clutching easily while driving down the road for the past few months to experiment w/ it and it seems to shift easier this way. IMO it seems that this is a better way of shifting and would save the life of the clutch and parts longer than just the easy push in clutch shift-release clutch deal. Driving commercial vehicles and high horsepower race cars in know double clutching is recommended over standard shifting. Now even in a smaller compact less horse power car it seems that this method will also be more appropriante than the reg. shifting methods to keep less wear and tear on your dd. So would easy double clutching (not racing at high revs peeling out deal-just easy driving double clutching) be more appropriate to save the life of the clutch be better on dd's than the reg. shifting. Opinions...

[Kevykev]

I can only imagine the response that i topic like this will get. Hey if double clutching works...do it.

It's a pure waste of time since passenger cars aren't designed for the double clutch method but as long as your gentle when going into 1st gear and shift smoothly you'll be fine. Just keep the balancing conservative with out over-revving the engine and burning up the disk and you'll be fine. After you learn the clutch engagement on your car it's a piece of cake.

Transmissions are different though, some just suck, my friend got 226k out of his stock '99 accord coupe clutch.

[alpine_aw11]

Did you see them talking about double-clutching in Fast and the Furious or something? It's not going to help you. Just find the sweet spots of your tranny/clutch and even oem equipment will last a long time.

[Greddypacked]

Well i didnt mean for going into first gear, i meant every gear after. You shouldnt down shift to first anyways, the gear-ratio is very low and bringing it down that low going fast is a nono. I usually wait to a complete stop b4 going into first again. Yes your right on learning the correct balance between your tranny-revs-clutch shifting points. I know not revving high and releasing the clutch completely then using the gas will save the life of the clutch, but double clutching just seems easier on it.

[Elbow]

LOL race car drivers do NOT double clutch..explain that one LOL.

Shit if you are SO worried about your clutch, DON'T USE IT lol, you CAN shift without it very easily, will go in like butter when you find that sweet spot.

Don't downshift and ride the clutch, blip the throttle, don't snatch gears, don't grind, don't ride your clutch on hills, etc.

[Greddypacked]

Did you see them talking about double-clutching in Fast and the Furious or something? It's not going to help you. Just find the sweet spots of your tranny/clutch and even oem equipment will last a long time. No dude i have a degree in professional driving and safety, i race cars and drive 72 ft trucks thru half of the year and i know double clutching is recommended on certain types of vehicles to preserve the functions of the tranny and clutch. My dd's clutch is going bad, im finding a way to keep its life w/ out throwing money i dont need to on it. I dont know if double clutching would be good or bad for my dd. No im not like you watching a MOVIE on tuning cars and thinking im a F and F racer. Keep your lil jokes off thread please thanks.

[AirMax95]

Did you see them talking about double-clutching in Fast and the Furious or something? It's not going to help you. Just find the sweet spots of your tranny/clutch and even oem equipment will last a long time.

Yep, my WRX lasted 106k miles on the stock clutch/tranny, with mild abuse and launching :D

Some people just can't drive, OR they try too hard to be a race car driver on the street :lmfao:

I see the OP's point, but until the said driver has learned the basics, double clutching will prove FAIL>

[Elbow]

LMFAO race in what????

[Greddypacked]

Simontitbett i know that method as well and thats not a good way of shifting. Tell you what i shouldnt of posted on here cuz i know i will get answers from jokes and nothing legitimate on helping me. I will just ask a tranny mechanic at a shop. Thanks for the half ass jokes, and thanks for the serious responses.

[alpine_aw11]

No dude i have a degree in professional driving and safety, i race cars and drive 72 ft trucks thru half of the year and i know double clutching is recommended on certain types of vehicles to preserve the functions of the tranny and clutch. My dd's clutch is going bad, im finding a way to keep its life w/ out throwing money i dont need to on it. I dont know if double clutching would be good or bad for my dd. No im not like you watching a MOVIE on tuning cars and thinking im a F and F racer. Keep your lil jokes off thread please thanks.

lol dont get all pissy. Seriously, double clutching isn't going to do much(if anything) for your car. It's really unnecessary for your average vehicle.

[Elbow]

Simontitbett i know that method as well and thats not a good way of shifting. Tell you what i shouldnt of posted on here cuz i know i will get answers from jokes and nothing legitimate on helping me. I will just ask a tranny mechanic at a shop. Thanks for the half ass jokes, and thanks for the serious responses.

Well you say you are a race car driver, and ask this question, and say race car drivers double clutch? :???: Hmmmm I don't, and I know nobody who does, and I race cars. So what exactly do you race?

[Z0_o6]

well, the whole point of double-clutching is pretty much negated by the use of synchronizers in almost all modern passenger vehicle transmissions. sure you will save a minute amount of wear and tear on the synchros and clutch, but I doubt very seriously its a measurable amount. If it makes you feel better though, by all means why not.

[Greddypacked]

Simon, well i dont have to answer that question. Well because i dont need to talk big stuff on the boards and have Skip barber in my sig, w/ my helmet in my avatar. I made this topic for simple answers on saving clutch life, since you way off topic you wasting my time, thanks.

[Kevykev]

LOL race car drivers do NOT double clutch..explain that one LOL.

Shit if you are SO worried about your clutch, DON'T USE IT lol, you CAN shift without it very easily, will go in like butter when you find that sweet spot.

Don't downshift and ride the clutch, blip the throttle, don't snatch gears, don't grind, don't ride your clutch on hills, etc.


Damn you just use a majority of the popular lingo in one sentence. :D

[Z0_o6]

Simon, well i dont have to answer that question. Well because i dont need to talk big stuff on the boards and have Skip barber in my sig, w/ my helmet in my avatar. I made this topic for simple answers on saving clutch life, since you way off topic you wasting my time, thanks.

not to sound like a dick, but that sounds like back-pedaling to me. and exactly what makes your time worth so much?

[josh green]

Simon, well i dont have to answer that question. Well because i dont need to talk big stuff on the boards and have Skip barber in my sig, w/ my helmet in my avatar. I made this topic for simple answers on saving clutch life, since you way off topic you wasting my time, thanks.
All he is doing is trying to get you to answer a claim that you made.

Double clutching is needed in maybe a dump truck from the 70's and older. Thats only because they were dog engagement transmissions. Double clutching in NO motorsport is going to help, everyone in motorsport wants dog engagement and ignition interrupts for full throttle clutchless shifting. Synchronizers, did away will all needs of double clutching. If your synchros are going bad double clutching may allow for easier engagement into that gear or if it wont go at all it might assist in crunching it into that gear.
I have seen OEM clutches go 300k with normal driving conditions and normal shifting.

[Elbow]

I'm not saying look at me. I didn't even call you a liar, but what race car do you drive where you need to double clutch? I'm just saying that doesn't make sense.

[JuStCrUzIn]

im a class A driver meaning i have a CDL and as far as the double clutch thing, you do not need to use the clutch to shift from gear to gear only on take off, can you imagine what your leg would feel like if you double clutch all day in a twelve speed... for a noob to driving trucks you might need to double clutch in a commercial transmission when you push in the clutch it actually stops the trans from spinning its called a clutch brake for the people who have not yet learned the sweet spot of the trans to shift without a clutch, the only time a driver might use the clutch to shift gears is when they are overloaded with weight but even then double clutching is not needed. they teach you that in truck driving school that you need to double clutch but i do not know anyone who does it in my line of work in a commercial vehicle it is a waste of time and actually slows you down.

[GTScoob]

I think you'd be better off sitting with $400 in your checking acct waiting for a closeout special on a clutch that way you've got one for when yours goes out. Double clutching is a waste of time now that we all for the most part run gearboxes with synchros.

You may even want to install a lightweight flywheel or crank pulley, since they'll reduce clutch wear even more by reducing the amount of mass the clutch has to slow down or speed up.

It's all about how you drive, get the timing down on when to let off the gas, unload the tranny, and then load it back up when you let the clutch out. Then again I'd rather burn the clutch up and save my gears/synchros than practice clutchless shifting and have to replace my transmission earlier.

To the OP, do you downshift when you're coasting to a stop?

[AlliRae]

how about this... launch on the limiter and shift hard... then when your shit breaks... upgrade... damn... make what you have work for you... don't work for what you can change...

but... yea... double clutch if it's good for you

[Kaiser]

im a class A driver meaning i have a CDL and as far as the double clutch thing, you do not need to use the clutch to shift from gear to gear only on take off, can you imagine what your leg would feel like if you double clutch all day in a twelve speed... for a noob to driving trucks you might need to double clutch in a commercial transmission when you push in the clutch it actually stops the trans from spinning its called a clutch brake for the people who have not yet learned the sweet spot of the trans to shift without a clutch, the only time a driver might use the clutch to shift gears is when they are overloaded with weight but even then double clutching is not needed. they teach you that in truck driving school that you need to double clutch but i do not know anyone who does it in my line of work in a commercial vehicle it is a waste of time and actually slows you down.

Agree about the slowing you down bit. And mostly unneccessary, though when you do have to clutch in a commercial truck (Some large day-driver Diesels with only a 6-speed box as well as stuff like Manual 550's and such) you do have to double clutch to keep the tranny from locking up because of the clutch brake. These diesels have a much bigger range between gears than the 10+ gears that full-size rigs have. Full size rigs have sometimes as small as 400rpm difference between gears, whereas something like a manual diesel UPS style truck could have only a 5 speed box and 2000rpms between gears, with a transmission that still doesn't use synchros because they're just one more thing to break on a heavy-duty transmission. Still, double-clutching in a racecar is ridiculous...when you get into Touring Car where the cars are still based off of street cars, most are switched to Sequential transmissions and the driver barely clutches through the whole race.

[JuStCrUzIn]

Agree about the slowing you down bit. And mostly unneccessary, though when you do have to clutch in a commercial truck (Some large day-driver Diesels with only a 6-speed box as well as stuff like Manual 550's and such) you do have to double clutch to keep the tranny from locking up because of the clutch brake. These diesels have a much bigger range between gears than the 10+ gears that full-size rigs have. Full size rigs have sometimes as small as 400rpm difference between gears, whereas something like a manual diesel UPS style truck could have only a 5 speed box and 2000rpms between gears, with a transmission that still doesn't use synchros because they're just one more thing to break on a heavy-duty transmission. Still, double-clutching in a racecar is ridiculous...when you get into Touring Car where the cars are still based off of street cars, most are switched to Sequential transmissions and the driver barely clutches through the whole race.

i guess i should have put more info than i did in my post but you pretty much covered what i failed to mention.:goodjob:

[Thighs]

im calling bs on the op racing cars.

[blackboi50]

i love my car therefore i dont rev past 3k and i wait for my revs to come down before i disengage in each gear!!!......

i have 120k on my car and the dude before me put a new clutch in at 50k.......mines still feels new!!! ((as my dad says)).....sooooo if u want your clutch to last drive your car like u love it!!!......:2cents:.....1

[Atlblkz06]

All you guys are NOOBS - Double clutching is the ONLY way to shift - Vin Diesel said so himself!

[~GILLEY~]

wtf is double clutching

[Elbow]

i love my car therefore i dont rev past 3k and i wait for my revs to come down before i disengage in each gear!!!......

i have 120k on my car and the dude before me put a new clutch in at 50k.......mines still feels new!!! ((as my dad says)).....sooooo if u want your clutch to last drive your car like u love it!!!......:2cents:.....1

Is your car a manual??

Anyway revving high doesn't really effect the tranny. 180k miles here with an upgraded 8500RPM redline daily :lmfao:

[yungdz]

i love my car therefore i dont rev past 3k and i wait for my revs to come down before i disengage in each gear!!!......

i have 120k on my car and the dude before me put a new clutch in at 50k.......mines still feels new!!! ((as my dad says)).....sooooo if u want your clutch to last drive your car like u love it!!!......:2cents:.....1

I love my car so I rev the hell out of it and she gives me boost in return is her loving me back.

[Elbow]

I love my car so I rev the hell out of it and she gives me boost in return is her loving me back.

:goodjob:

[EJ25RUN]

Most modern cars have synchros. What is the need to double clutch?

I agree with Simon, OP hasn't a clue.

[StraightSix]

The only time, in my experience, where double clutching helps is when you're driving a car with a transmission with weak synchros. My brother's old Nissan truck had a worn tranny with a crunchy third gear. Double clutch and the crunchy didn't happen nearly as often.

Clutch wear comes from the friction material being scrubbed off when the clutch is slipping, i.e. on take off. Double clutching is only going to multiply the potential slip events that the clutch "sees", and thus possibly shorten the clutch's life but only make things slightly easier on the transmission.

Most modern passenger car and light truck transmission do not need to be double clutched except under specific circumstances. Everyone else has pretty much said it, but I'll repeat it, synchros eliminate the need for double clutching.

Pretty much no one that I know in motorsports double clutches. Takes too much time.

[Atlblkz06]

Double clutching syncronizes the transmission and engine. Think of it as heel-toe shifting with the clutch OUT instead of in.

Clutch IN
Shift out of gear
Clutch OUT(extra step)
Rev-match
Clutch IN(extra step)
Shift into gear
Clutch Out

[JITB]

i thought i was gonna learn something in this thread...lol

[speedminded]

Simon, well i dont have to answer that question. Well because i dont need to talk big stuff on the boards and have Skip barber in my sig, w/ my helmet in my avatar. I made this topic for simple answers on saving clutch life, since you way off topic you wasting my time, thanks.Since the invention of synchro's decades ago there is absolutely no reason to double clutch. None what so ever unless said synchro's are worn out. If you want to get into straight-cut gears we can go there as well...

If you want to save the clutch then simply DON'T USE IT. Your shifts will be as smooth as an automatic and the clutch will last forever. Simple as that.

What do you race? What cars, what series, what class? Amuse us.

[AirMax95]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3035/2467514440_b078823754.jpg?v=0

[IDCoconut]

OP is a fucking idiot.

Double clutching will not "save your clutch life". You have a degree in Professional Driving & Safety? They obviously never let you anywhere near a flywheel/clutch/transmission assembly.

[speedminded]

What do you race? What cars, what series, what class? Amuse us.Yeah what he said! :doh:

[DerrickT]

thanks for the useless thread Vin Diesel.