Fall Import Showdown 2005 - October 9th

[paulblackgsx]

Import Atlanta will be here covering the Fall event and will have a booth! If you didn't come to the Spring event, you definitely missed out.

The Import Showdown is one of the southeast hottest and fastest growing drag events. Our unique style of true, heads up competitions and open runs (test and tune passes) has driven our success. No bracket racing, no racing for the closest ET. Simply put, the first one down the track wins. At the spring event more than 750 people made the trek from all over the southeast to watch 130 cars make passes. We paid out nearly $3000 dollars in cash to our 5 classes. Our event motto is simple: it's all about the racing. And it's designed for everyone to come and enjoy: competitive, sportsman, test and tune, or just watch.

The Import Showdown is not for profit and is put on by GA DSM. 95%+ of all money collected is returned to the event. Any remaining funds are returned to the sponsoring club, GA DSM. It's held twice a year at Silver Dollar Raceway in Reynolds, GA. It's relaxed, it's fun, and it's all about the racing!

Despite the name, the event is open to EVERYONE. Import, Domestic - doesn't matter. You will find nearly every make and model vehicle at our event - Hondas, Nissans, DSMs, BMWs, Ford, Chevys, Mercedes, Toyotas... you name it. We do limit competition classes based on number of cylinders, power adders, etc so be sure to check the website for competition rules. We do not limit competitions based on make/model. Test and tune is open to any vehicle (including bikes) that meet that track safety requirements.

If you are a spectator, not only is this some of the best and most competitive sportsman racing in the southeast. We also have over $2000 dollars in giveaways. Dyno tuning from Batlground, Gift Certificates from Evolution Auto Design and 3SX Performance, subscriptions and issues from Grassroots Motorsports, TShirts from Sprayglo, and more.

We're exicted about the Fall 2005 event and with the continue success of the Spring event, we're looking to BIG things in 2006! Please come out, enjoy the event, and share your suggestions. This event is for YOU, the people who run and watch!

You can find details on classes, rules, directions, hotels, availability of race gas, and more at the official site: www.importshowdown.com

Event: Import Showdown Fall 2005 Presented by Batlground Engineering
What: Drag Racing Competitions and Test and Tune Runs
When: Sunday, October 9th, 10am gates open
Where: Silver Dollar Raceway - Reynolds, GA (www.silverdollarraceway.com)
Cost: $10 gate fee (race or watch, collected by the track) - Racing: $15 via pre-registration, $20 day of
More Info: www.importshowdown.com

[tony]

I will be there for sure, I've been looking forward to this all summer.

[Allshow97]

Hope to see you and holly there Paul. :)

[Elmo_dsm]

Hope to see you and holly there Paul. :)

Oh you know we will be, you know we will be.

[B18c1Turboed]

Our crew will be there to take 1st 2nd and 3rd place home AGAIN!!!

[4dmin]

Great event come out and support these guys if you wanna see what its all about check out the coverage section!!! :goodjob:

[Allshow97]

Nice to see you finally got you own username Holly ;) Keep the Elmo alive.

[93H22ACX]

For the lazy people:



Classes

Showdown Class

Tires: RWD - DOT Approved, AWD - radials, FWD - slicks

Cylinder Limit: 4 or 6 cylinder vehicles allowed

Power Adders: Multiple allowed

Prizes: Guaranteed Payout and Trophies



RWD Class



Tires: DOT Approved

Cylinder Limit: 4 or 6 cylinder vehicles allowed

Power Adders: One power adder allowed

Prizes: Payouts and Trophies



AWD Class



Tires: Radials (Drag Radials ok)

Cylinder Limit: 4 or 6 cylinder vehicles allowed

Power Adders: One power adder allowed

Prizes: Payouts and Trophies



FWD Class



Tires: Radials (Drag Radials ok)

Cylinder Limit: 4 or 6 cylinder vehicles allowed

Power Adders: One power adder allowed

Prizes: Payouts and Trophies



All Motor Class



Tires: Radials (Drag Radials ok)

Cylinder Limit: 4 or 6 cylinder vehicles allowed

Power Adders: None allowed

Prizes: Payouts and Trophies



Tire rules clarifications:

Radial tires are defined by as any radial compound tire. This does not mean any DOT approved tire is allowed, it must be a radial tire. If you are unsure if your tires meets these rules, please email the event coordinators [email protected] ([email protected])



DOT Approved are defined as any tire which is DOT approved. This can be any compound, as long as they are street legal.



Rules That Apply To All Classes



Must be a street legal vehicle with recent tag


Must have front half of interior intact, including booth front seats. This includes carpeting and panels. A missing piece here or there is ok, no obvious stripping of the front half of the interior. Exception: Showdown class only requires complete dash, single seat.


Exhaust is required, no open down pipes. Pipes that exit behind the front wheels and away from the vehicle or electronic cut outs are allowed.


Fuel cells are OK if they are large enough (generally 8 gal. minimum) for street use. Fuel cells that are too small for normal driving are not allowed.


Can not be a purpose built drag car (this is generally defined as cars that have modifications that eliminate their sportsman attributes that would only benefit drag racing, such as wheelie bars, race automatic transmission swaps, etc). If you are unsure, please ask!!


Any (1) one vehicle can only enter (1) one class. You can not compete in more than one class with the same car.


Vehicles can be brought to the event on a trailer, as long as the other rules are met.


Vehicles must meet track/NHRA safety requirements


The event coordinators have the right to modify these rules at any time they feel it is necessary to ensure a fun and fair day for everyone.


Any attempt to get around these rules or gain an unfair advantage is grounds for disqualification.


Classes are based on turnout and competitiveness. Classes are not designed to keep anyone away, only to provide an entertaining and fair structure. Again, class and competition rules do not apply to the test and tune/open run portion of the event. If you have any questions or suggestions, please do not hesitate to talk to us!"

If you have any questions about whether your car meets the competition requirements, please email us at [email protected] ([email protected])

[93H22ACX]

paul....

if the dp goes under the car is that fine? im confused because of this statement: Pipes that exit behind the front wheels and away from the vehicle or electronic cut outs are allowed.

if ecut out is allowed, couldnt we run open downpipe?

[paulblackgsx]

paul....

if the dp goes under the car is that fine? im confused because of this statement: Pipes that exit behind the front wheels and away from the vehicle or electronic cut outs are allowed.

if ecut out is allowed, couldnt we run open downpipe?

If the downpipe is long enough to pass the front wheels and is directed away from the motor horizontally we are going to allow it. What we are trying to avoid is just an open dump straight out of the manifold or turbo (depending on yoursetup).

Hope that helps clear it up. If you have an open DP and it runs away from the engine and runs horizontally you will be fine. Wastegate dumps are exempted.

[93H22ACX]

coo

[paulblackgsx]

Pre-registration is now open, saves you $5 off the day of event price for those who are going to be racing.

[KevinT707]

I will definitely pre-register & will def be there

[SilverJester]

Yeah ill be there, don't know know if I'm running yet or not...I hope so.

btw when you say "one power adder" does this mean twin tubos are out? Cause I could go without lining up next to some 3000gt's :D

[paulblackgsx]

Yeah ill be there, don't know know if I'm running yet or not...I hope so.

btw when you say "one power adder" does this mean twin tubos are out? Cause I could go without lining up next to some 3000gt's :D

Twin turbos would be counted as a single power adder. Twin charged (turbo and supercharger) would count as two.

[BTEC]

me and my crew will be dur fuh shizzle.

[SilverJester]

Twin turbos would be counted as a single power adder. Twin charged (turbo and supercharger) would count as two.
I was just joking :tongue: but really I would rather not go up against any 3S's

[paulblackgsx]

I was just joking :tongue: but really I would rather not go up against any 3S's

Definitely wouldn't want to line up against Armonds 3S without a doubt!

[BigWhiteOnes]

bump couple more weeks

[Genya]

Cant wait, got the hotel res. Hopefully can qualify awd quick 8.

[SilverJester]

hey jason how do you feel about running me this weekend? I wanna see how my cae stacks up to yours...it's finally running right.

[Genya]

Sure thing man, but getting the new clutch in as we speak. Should be ready the weekend after this. Waiting for the ceramic coating place to return my stuff so it can be put back together. First week in oct is good ill be out and around that week thur/fri.

[rolling_trip]

Sure thing man, but getting the new clutch in as we speak. Should be ready the weekend after this. Waiting for the ceramic coating place to return my stuff so it can be put back together. First week in oct is good ill be out and around that week thur/fri.

just make sure to stay away from the blue lights, this time

[SilverJester]

Sure thing man, but getting the new clutch in as we speak. Should be ready the weekend after this. Waiting for the ceramic coating place to return my stuff so it can be put back together. First week in oct is good ill be out and around that week thur/fri.
Awsome alright well i guess I'll see you then...just make sure you brake in that clutch before romping on it.

[KevinT707]

SilverJester will get raped by Genya, seriously .. not to hurt your feelings or anything but one of you 2 PM me & let me know when yall are going to Dallas, I'll watch if my car isn't running like, now

[Dragonfly5338]

wooo baby! i'm getting my clutch, i will be there. :)

[DeutscheBAG!]

wooo baby! i'm getting my clutch, i will be there. :)

guess woobies wont be eating for a while :tongue:

[Dragonfly5338]

they're bubbies, not wubbies. :tongue:

[Dark Side]

I just registered, I will be there too. All motor here I come, lol

[DeutscheBAG!]

I just registered, I will be there too. All motor here I come, lol

are u challenging the 200HP N/A BEAST?

[Dark Side]

Maybe or Maybe not ! But I am very proud of my little Rat, he is all grown up now and he is coming to kick ass and take names. :devil:

[Dragonfly5338]

Maybe or Maybe not ! But I am very proud of my little Rat, he is all grown up now and he is coming to kick ass and take names. :devil:

you tell rat i'm waiting hahaha ;)

[Nemesis]

Do you all think the turnout this year will be less since the gas prices are gonna go up?

[paulblackgsx]

Do you all think the turnout this year will be less since the gas prices are gonna go up?

Always hard to say, but I haven't heard anyone mention the price of gas as a reason for not showing. I imagine car pooling will be up though.

[paulblackgsx]

A week away. See everyone Sunday!

[Tracer]

I might be there to run. Don't know for sure yet. It all depends how I feel on that day.

[Chuckster]

i will be there to spectat

[The Ren]

I think the EM crew is coming.. some will run some will spectate...

[Tracer]

So who's racing in what class?

[iloveboost]

Classes are based on turnout and competitiveness. Classes are not designed to keep anyone away, only to provide an entertaining and fair structure. Again, class and competition rules do not apply to the test and tune/open run portion of the event. If you have any questions or suggestions, please do not hesitate to talk to us!


So why is it FWD cars can use slicks, but RWD/AWD cars cannot? If this is truely about everything being fair, why not let everyone use slicks or make everyone use street tires?

[Tracer]

So why is it FWD cars can use slicks, but RWD/AWD cars cannot? If this is truely about everything being fair, why not let everyone use slicks or make everyone use street tires?


I totally agree with this statement. :goodjob:

[WINDSOR]

So why is it FWD cars can use slicks, but RWD/AWD cars cannot? If this is truely about everything being fair, why not let everyone use slicks or make everyone use street tires?

because an AWD with drag radials on all 4 and a RWD with etstreets will 60 foot the same or better then most powerful FWD cars. Peters gold hatch on a good track goes mid 1.6 60 foots. Most AWD cars can usually do that on stock street tires with a decent amount of power. If you put a set of gforce drag radials on an AWD car you can knock down 1.5 60 foots with over 500 rwhp usually. I think that keeps everything even for the fastest cars in showdown and lets the hp do the talking on the big end.

[iloveboost]

I understand that, Windsor. You actually proved my point. Some RWD cars don't get traction because their back tires aren't on the ground, yet FWD or AWD cars don't have that problem, yet they don't get to use wheelie bars because they're (wheelie bars) not used on the streets. Last I checked, neither were slicks.

I drive a FWD car, so I know about traction (even though I don't have any), but if this race is to be 'fair', don't restrict other vehicles to accomidate just us FWD cars.

For it to be "fair"; if a FWD can use slicks, then so can everyone else. They're basically giving FWD cars the crutch here, and that is by no means fair.

Basically, my point being, don't claim to try to make it a fair playing ground for all cars when you make rules to benefit one certain type of car, which is FWD in this instance. This is all.

[WINDSOR]

I understand that, Windsor. You actually proved my point. Some RWD cars don't get traction because their back tires aren't on the ground, yet FWD or AWD cars don't have that problem, yet they don't get to use wheelie bars because they're (wheelie bars) not used on the streets. Last I checked, neither were slicks.

I drive a FWD car, so I know about traction (even though I don't have any), but if this race is to be 'fair', don't restrict other vehicles to accomidate just us FWD cars.

For it to be "fair"; if a FWD can use slicks, then so can everyone else. They're basically giving FWD cars the crutch here, and that is by no means fair.

Basically, my point being, don't claim to try to make it a fair playing ground for all cars when you make rules to benefit one certain type of car, which is FWD in this instance. This is all.

RWD cars don't get traction becasue their back tires are NOT on the ground? What do you mean by that? Very very few RWD cars can pull all 4 wheels off the ground on a launch...unless you were meaning front tires NOT on the ground and hell if a car can pull the front wheels its getting traction....maybe not the most efficient way to accelerate the car but the traction is there.

[iloveboost]

lol, whoops. I meant front tires not being on the ground.

I just think it should be equal across the board, no crutches for anyone. Period.

That, in my opinion, is a fair race.

[Nemesis]

So who's racing in what class?


Ill be running in the FWD class w/ one power adder.

[4dmin]

my dub will be there FWD class :goodjob:

[Dragonfly5338]

I'm running AWD w/ one power adder.

[ambersnow]

I will be there with my car. Mike & jenn with the VR-4 and chris will be driving my car down the track. I'am still learning how to speed shift. And we seem to have the phantom knock and get figure what the H*** it is coming from. ** open to any thoughts****

[Spyder]

i want to go but i need to be a passanger or a co pilot im not making that long ass trip solo..

[1439/2000]

Well the galants clutch is toast and it isnt going to be done in time.

I'm going down anyway to support the roommate.


Sentra SE-R = FAST

w00t

[1439/2000]

I will be there with my car. Mike & jenn with the VR-4 and chris will be driving my car down the track. I'am still learning how to speed shift. And we seem to have the phantom knock and get figure what the H*** it is coming from. ** open to any thoughts****


Do you have a datalogger/keydiver chip?

Assuming its a dsm check galantvr4.org

There is a big write up on finding the phantom knock.

Good luck!

[HiPSI]

i want to go but i need to be a passanger or a co pilot im not making that long ass trip solo..


i'll probably head out with you ;)

[HalfBaked]

I'll be running the sentra in the fwd class!

Hopefully I can break into the 15s!!!

[Tracer]

I'll be running the sentra in the fwd class!

Hopefully I can break into the 15s!!!


Just make sure you have your Batlground sticker on and you will.

[HalfBaked]

Just make sure you have your Batlground sticker on and you will.

I dropped the car off there today for some final touches that hopefully can help out.

I wouldn't be suprised to pick up the car tomorrow with a bunch of stickers on it haha. Tracy did that to Jay's car at the SELOC meet.

But I wanna rock one for the showdown. Like one on my rear window so cars can read it as I go down the track...

[SilverJester]

I will be there with my car. Mike & jenn with the VR-4 and chris will be driving my car down the track. I'am still learning how to speed shift. And we seem to have the phantom knock and get figure what the H*** it is coming from. ** open to any thoughts****
Noise lifter tick? I get a little phatom knock from lifter tick every now and then. I can't wait to get down there and see how my car performs. I still need to get a turbo/manifold gasket and bolt. The I can get some tuning done.

[The Ren]

I'll be coming... but no running yet.. I need to make sure everything is sound and tuned before I run...

[4dmin]

I'll be coming... but no running yet.. I need to make sure everything is sound and tuned before I run...

wuss :gay:

[The Ren]

Hey hey.. I promised the boyfriend I would run the car... Trust me I want to.... bad

[Tracy]

I won't be able to run my Evo...although it will be there. It will be just broken in about the time Dan goes to NOPI so it won't be tuned. :( It has 700 miles on it today! It will probably have right at 1000 at the showdown! I guess it might be tuned next week.

[HalfBaked]

JUst wait til spring Tracy, you can run 9s then.

[2.3 Evo 8]

Look'in forward to this! See you there.

[4dmin]

I won't be able to run my Evo...although it will be there. It will be just broken in about the time Dan goes to NOPI so it won't be tuned. :( It has 700 miles on it today! It will probably have right at 1000 at the showdown! I guess it might be tuned next week.

thats ok that just means you can debut at BOTS ;)

[HalfBaked]

Well my car finally got the last thing it needed for tomorrow so I'm definately ready to go and hopefully run some damn good times.

Hope to meet some of you guys tomorrow, I'll be the tall white kid in the white ugly sentra.

[David88vert]

I will definately be there. Just put the car back together. I will be in the very plain yellow RX7.

[Nemesis]

Does anyone wanna meet up sometime tommorrow morning?

I plan on leaving the Conyers area around 7 am.

[The Ren]

Silverjester and I will be meeting at the Stockbridge exit off of 675 and 75 around 7:30am or so.. Feel free to meet us there

[Tracer]

Well I'm not going this year to Showdown. My clutch is having alot of issues........sorry for the let down to the people that wanted to see my car finally run.....:(

[SilverJester]

Well I'm not going this year to Showdown. My clutch is having alot of issues........sorry for the let down to the people that wanted to see my car finally run.....:(
that sucks sorry to here that. I won't be running either. I was preparing my car for racing tommorow and as I went to replace the turbo to manifold gasket the bolts got fucked up. It seems that the shop who drilled them out last time didn't retap the threads correctly on my turbo :(

[EG BTER]

Ill come if somone can give me a ride...im still carless :(

[Nemesis]

It was good meeting a few new folks.

How did everyone do?

My best time all day was ran early in the morning with a [email protected], all my other runs I had issues :(.

I red lighted about 4 damn times and missed qualifying lol

[4dmin]

r/t: .066
60': 2.133
1/4: 14.396
mph: 96.83

^ this is what my car did today w/ brandon driving :goodjob:

[HalfBaked]

60' : 2.7
1/4 13.98
MPH: 107.75

That was my 2nd run ever on the car after that my 2nd gear syncho went to shits and I couldn't get into 2nd on any of the runs.

Which pretty much cost me the win in the fwd class. I finished 2nd tho. Oh well.

And I know the 2.7 60 ft sucks but I was pulling some 2.3s towards the end of the day but couldn't follow up with any good times because of 2nd.

Almost every trap I had tho was over 105.

[HiPSI]

r/t: .066
60': 2.133
1/4: 14.396
mph: 96.83

^ this is what my car did today w/ brandon driving :goodjob:

ok, what about with you behind the wheel?

[4dmin]

ok, what about with you behind the wheel?

i didn't run today... bradon is running my car b/c he can drive, and i have to shoot coverage for the site ;)

[HalfBaked]

Brandon was nailing the reaction times. He was close to perfect almost every run.

[The Ren]

Paul I got a few pics... I will post them up and feel free to use them as you wish :D

[4dmin]

Brandon was nailing the reaction times. He was close to perfect almost every run.

ya he did -.001 on the fouled run :eek: damn good..... he had 2x .02? runs :goodjob:

[tony]

60' : 2.7
1/4 13.98
MPH: 107.75

That was my 2nd run ever on the car after that my 2nd gear syncho went to shits and I couldn't get into 2nd on any of the runs.

Which pretty much cost me the win in the fwd class. I finished 2nd tho. Oh well.

And I know the 2.7 60 ft sucks but I was pulling some 2.3s towards the end of the day but couldn't follow up with any good times because of 2nd.

Almost every trap I had tho was over 105.

Damn great times, I was always curious what your car would run.

You guys wouldn't happen to know who won the RWD class and what they ran? I really wanted to go but decided to spend some time with my son today.

[HalfBaked]

Sammy from tiger racing won the rwd.

His fastest time of the day I saw was like an 11.9 but he in the finals he ran a 13.3 or so.

My times should have been better, but my damn transmission. The trap was nice...the car pulls soo damn hard on the top of 3rd and 4th. I reeled in the 1st 2 cars I lined up against.

[tony]

His fastest time of the day I saw was like an 11.9 but he in the finals he ran a 13.3 or so.




aww man dont tell me that.. no disrespect to the driver but I wish I would have entered then.

[Nemesis]

i didn't run today... bradon is running my car b/c he can drive, and i have to shoot coverage for the site ;)

were you in that blue shirt man? I was gonna introduce myself sometime, but i left a little early

[SleepingTalon]

My times should have been better, but my damn transmission. The trap was nice...the car pulls soo damn hard on the top of 3rd and 4th. I reeled in the 1st 2 cars I lined up against.

Your car is a 12sec car on slicks. One of my customers, whose car I tuned, did pretty well today. Before today, he hadnt run better than a 14.4. Well, the slicks went on, and his times got much better throughout the day, with him eventually running a 12.8@109 in the final round of the Showdown class, and actually taking 2nd place, lol. His car was a red 2nd gen FWD Eclipse. He was making almost identical power to your car, and when I was helping Dan with your car the other night, we both were saying how deceptively fast your car really is. Not to mention, he was running with no LSD either. The track times dont do it justice at all. If you had slicks, it would be a totally different story, and would most likely be even faster than the 12.8 that my customer ran.

[4dmin]

were you in that blue shirt man? I was gonna introduce myself sometime, but i left a little early

that was me; i got some nice pix of your ride.

[David88vert]

My fastest run of the day was just what I expected, 14.2. I never can get better than a 2.4 60' time in that car .....

[HalfBaked]

Your car is a 12sec car on slicks. One of my customers, whose car I tuned, did pretty well today. Before today, he hadnt run better than a 14.4. Well, the slicks went on, and his times got much better throughout the day, with him eventually running a 12.8@109 in the final round of the Showdown class, and actually taking 2nd place, lol. His car was a red 2nd gen FWD Eclipse. He was making almost identical power to your car, and when I was helping Dan with your car the other night, we both were saying how deceptively fast your car really is. Not to mention, he was running with no LSD either. The track times dont do it justice at all. If you had slicks, it would be a totally different story, and would most likely be even faster than the 12.8 that my customer ran.

Yea, I mean I can tell my car is fast and should be running way lower then what it was. Just when I finally got the hang of how to launch it my 2nd gear decides to screw up. Oh well there is always the spring.

[DrivenMind]

My car blew up the night before so I didn't get to make it.

pretty shitty.

[KevinT707]

Just launch it in 2nd gear next time, it won't spin as much .. :) JK

Just when I finally got the hang of how to launch it my 2nd gear decides to screw up.

[BTEC]

r/t: .383
60': 2.47 (2.352 best for the day)
330: 6.353
1/8: 9.438 @ 79.47
1000: 12.094
1/4 14.330 @ 100.45
:rant:

[paulblackgsx]

I'd like to thank everyone who came to the event (race or watch) and those who have supported this event. It was definitely a blast. The track seemed pretty slick, both from my personal experience and from the comments made. I promise to take this an item to discuss with the track for 06.

Turnout was amazing. I think it could have been even better had the weather looked better. But not a drop of rain fell and we ran the whole day. 700 people and 150 cars made 1100! passes. This is right inline with the 750/140 we had for the Spring event.

I'm looking forward to hearing some feedback from everyone on improvements. For 06 we'll have the opportunity to shuffle some classes, look at moving to Saturdays, and a host of other improvements! This event is for all of you, everyone who comes, so feel free to make suggestions!

Congrats to all of the winners and I hope everyone had a great time! I had a little more time this time around to walk around and talk to people, and felt good about what I heard. I hope everyone had as much fun as we did.

[Julio]

fun day.. fo sho.. Thanks for having it Paulgsx

[Julio]

hey halfbaked, I thought I saw you run a low 13? If not, I Dont know what the hell I was thinking.

[paulblackgsx]

I understand that, Windsor. You actually proved my point. Some RWD cars don't get traction because their back tires aren't on the ground, yet FWD or AWD cars don't have that problem, yet they don't get to use wheelie bars because they're (wheelie bars) not used on the streets. Last I checked, neither were slicks.

I drive a FWD car, so I know about traction (even though I don't have any), but if this race is to be 'fair', don't restrict other vehicles to accomidate just us FWD cars.

For it to be "fair"; if a FWD can use slicks, then so can everyone else. They're basically giving FWD cars the crutch here, and that is by no means fair.

Basically, my point being, don't claim to try to make it a fair playing ground for all cars when you make rules to benefit one certain type of car, which is FWD in this instance. This is all.

Sorry I missed this sooner.

I'm assuming this question is directed at the Showdown class? The idea is to provide fairly similar 60 foot times. A previous poster mentioned FWD on slicks (in good conditions) can cut a 1.6 60 foot, which is what an AWD can do on drag radials, and a RWD can do on DOT approved (there are a lot of impacts to this we know, but generally speaking from results of the events we've collected, then generally average out). So the "fair" part is that you limit everyone to a tire that produces similar results. It's a different type of fair, but considering that we deal with primarily sportsman racers, we are limited in the areas we can restrict. People are not going to greatly modify their setups for our event. Nor do we expect them to.

So if your thinking fair means if we allow one group to run one thing, the others should too. Then your right, no it's not fair. But our intention wasn't to be fair that way. Our intention was to be fair but ensuring that one group wouldn't have a significant advantage over the other, which is why we choose the types of tires we did.

All of this is always open to discussion. So whether you agree with us or not, we do take note of peoples suggestions, and the results. We didn't greatly modify our classes from Spring to Fall to try to help things run smoothly. However, the classes are wiped clean for 06. We'll definitely look at all of these, the results. I just want to be sure everyone knows that we actually try to pay attention to as many comments as possible. We put this event on for everyone who comes, so your input matters. We change everything and unless we go to bracket racing, nothing will be completely fair. As you can see, there are even different ideas of what fair itself means. Hope this helps at least explain the thought process. Your comment suggestion is noted.

[HalfBaked]

hey halfbaked, I thought I saw you run a low 13? If not, I Dont know what the hell I was thinking.

Nope, I should have haha but 13.9 was the best I could pull all day.

My traps were good for low 13s tho.

[Julio]

damn that car has more..

On another note what did the bullshit shop run in there "race car"? I heard 11.7? Lame..

SHouldve let VAL run it.. maybe she wouldve done better... I saw her run a badass 12.2... hnmm..

Yup " WHAT AN EASY DAY"

[Tracy]

damn that car has more..

On another note what did the bullshit shop run in there "race car"? I heard 11.7? Lame..

SHouldve let VAL run it.. maybe she wouldve done better... I saw her run a badass 12.2... hnmm..

Yup " WHAT AN EASY DAY"OMG did he just say that?

[93H22ACX]

Sorry I missed this sooner.

I'm assuming this question is directed at the Showdown class? The idea is to provide fairly similar 60 foot times. A previous poster mentioned FWD on slicks (in good conditions) can cut a 1.6 60 foot, which is what an AWD can do on drag radials, and a RWD can do on DOT approved (there are a lot of impacts to this we know, but generally speaking from results of the events we've collected, then generally average out). So the "fair" part is that you limit everyone to a tire that produces similar results. It's a different type of fair, but considering that we deal with primarily sportsman racers, we are limited in the areas we can restrict. People are not going to greatly modify their setups for our event. Nor do we expect them to.

So if your thinking fair means if we allow one group to run one thing, the others should too. Then your right, no it's not fair. But our intention wasn't to be fair that way. Our intention was to be fair but ensuring that one group wouldn't have a significant advantage over the other, which is why we choose the types of tires we did.

All of this is always open to discussion. So whether you agree with us or not, we do take note of peoples suggestions, and the results. We didn't greatly modify our classes from Spring to Fall to try to help things run smoothly. However, the classes are wiped clean for 06. We'll definitely look at all of these, the results. I just want to be sure everyone knows that we actually try to pay attention to as many comments as possible. We put this event on for everyone who comes, so your input matters. We change everything and unless we go to bracket racing, nothing will be completely fair. As you can see, there are even different ideas of what fair itself means. Hope this helps at least explain the thought process. Your comment suggestion is noted.

very well said... AWD and RWD can knock 60fts the same as FWD with slicks if not better.... i mean most of us cut 1.6 once in a while and mostly 1.7 60ft and i know that RWD and AWD can do the same also....

[DerrickT]

nice meeting you paul... I saw alot of familar cars but maybe i will finally connect the s/ns and owners and cars one of these days. 16.2 was my fastest run... got to love the stock civic slowness.

[AznChillin]

Dang i wanna know how fast the CRX with the k20 run. If someone could let me know that would be great.

[93H22ACX]

Dang i wanna know how fast the CRX with the k20 run. If someone could let me know that would be great.

He stated in IL that he ran a 13.6-13.7 @ 100mph

[AznChillin]

aite thanx bee

[TRAY_STi]

damn that car has more..

On another note what did the bullshit shop run in there "race car"? I heard 11.7? Lame..

SHouldve let VAL run it.. maybe she wouldve done better... I saw her run a badass 12.2... hnmm..

Yup " WHAT AN EASY DAY"
We didn't run our car because we had so many customer cars there running... which placed 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 5th in the AWD class.... humm... guess it was an easy day for us.

[4dmin]

We didn't run our car because we had so many customer cars there running... which placed 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 5th in the AWD class.... humm... guess it was an easy day for us.

you should learn that before you can claim "WE HAVE THE FASTEST EVO IN GA" maybe you should beat the current fastest time... i don't think i saw anyone in 11's in the AWD class but an eclipse, which you didn't build :goodjob:

[4dmin]

nice meeting you paul... I saw alot of familar cars but maybe i will finally connect the s/ns and owners and cars one of these days. 16.2 was my fastest run... got to love the stock civic slowness.

ya man nice meeting ya

[1439/2000]

you should learn that before you can claim "WE HAVE THE FASTEST EVO IN GA" maybe you should beat the current fastest time... i don't think i saw anyone in 11's in the AWD class but an eclipse, which you didn't build :goodjob:

:lmfao:

God that black gsx was fast as shit.



+1 for the dsm nerds.

[HalfBaked]

damn that car has more..


Yea, I know.

I am going to change my transmission fluid and see if that helps with my 1st to 2nd shift...

Hopefully it will. I may be at commerce before it closes for the year...if anyone knows when that is.

[SilverJester]

:lmfao:

God that black gsx was fast as shit.



+1 for the dsm nerds.
Yeah that was my one of my favorite cars there. Nice guy too.

[paulblackgsx]

Yeah that was my one of my favorite cars there. Nice guy too.

Paul (Boost Junkie) car is badass. Paul is definitely a cool guy.

[HiPSI]

Yea, I know.

I am going to change my transmission fluid and see if that helps with my 1st to 2nd shift...

Hopefully it will. I may be at commerce before it closes for the year...if anyone knows when that is.

between now and closedown you have oct 21st and 28th, and november 4th, 11th and 18th to run fast fridays.

[HiPSI]

you should learn that before you can claim "WE HAVE THE FASTEST EVO IN GA" maybe you should beat the current fastest time... i don't think i saw anyone in 11's in the AWD class but an eclipse, which you didn't build :goodjob:


this coming from the guy who didn't even drive his own car down the track ;)

[WINDSOR]

this coming from the guy who didn't even drive his own car down the track ;)

cmon now...he was snapping pics all day! I mean damn it must have taken all day to take all those pics he took.