Airplane on a Treadmill

[nreggie454]

is on Mythbusters right now. Channel 53. They are basically making fun of all the people that say that the plane will not take off.

[BABY J]

We all know it won't. Me RUINER and JAIMECBR900, SPEEDMINDED and a few others proved this years ago.:rolleyes:

[OldsTech]

Thats is so stupid... All the plane needs to air over the wings. Having a counter force on the wheel does nothing. Now it wont lift off as fast but long as it has a propeller it should lift off. Im not to sure about a jet. But a light weight jet might pull enough air too lift off.

[OldsTech]

We all know it won't. Me RUINER and JAIMECBR900, SPEEDMINDED and a few others proved this years ago.:rolleyes:

How????

[BABY J]

Impossible. Maybe w/ a super transmission and trick-tires (which don't exist). It will def not go anywhere. I tried it and fucked up a perfectly good airplane.

[BABY J]

How????

Verrrrrrrry carefully.

[redrumracer]

We all know it won't. Me RUINER and JAIMECBR900, SPEEDMINDED and a few others proved this years ago.:rolleyes:
they proved it otherwise, and planes dont "drive" on the road or ground they drive in the air, totally independent of the ground. thats how i was able to go over 200 mph over the ground but only like 180 through the air. the air was giving me a 20mph push across the ground.

[OldsTech]

Verrrrrrrry carefully.

:thinking: But your talking about a toy plane. Where Im refering to the real deal

[redrumracer]

Thats is so stupid... All the plane needs to air over the wings. Having a counter force on the wheel does nothing. Now it wont lift off as fast but long as it has a propeller it should lift off. Im not to sure about a jet. But a light weight jet might pull enough air too lift off.
it doesnt matter whether prop of jet. same principle for both types.

[nreggie454]

How about you turn on Mythbusters and find out the truth. It WILL take off, as long as the propulsion system is based on moving air (propeller or jet) vs. friction with the ground (like a car).

[redrumracer]

oh and REPOST MOFO

[BABY J]

they proved it otherwise, and planes dont "drive" on the road or ground they drive in the air, totally independent of the ground. thats how i was able to go over 200 mph over the ground but only like 180 through the air. the air was giving me a 20mph push across the ground.

Bullshit. If you have a plane we can try it (AGAIN). I have a plane-treadmill. I already broke my primary plane trying this when I fell off the front of my plane-treadmill. I'm NOT trying this w/ my backup plane.

[BABY J]

:thinking: But your talking about a toy plane. Where Im refering to the real deal

This is me (below) -- still think I am talking about a fake plane?

http://seriouscustoms.com/importtuner/FLIGHTSUIT.JPG

[redrumracer]

Bullshit. If you have a plane we can try it (AGAIN). I have a plane-treadmill. I already broke my primary plane trying this when I fell off the front of my plane-treadmill. I'm NOT trying this w/ my backup plane.
ok, i got around 10 at my disposal, what do you prefer, multi, single tricycle, or single conventional.

[nreggie454]

oh and REPOST MOFO
Yes, I know this topic was posted earlier, but AFAIK, it was only the debate, not the actual episode with proof being on.


Also, IA is dead, what else is there to do?

[redrumracer]

Yes, I know this topic was posted earlier, but AFAIK, it was only the debate, not the actual episode with proof being on.


Also, IA is dead, what else is there to do?
:jerkit:

[BABY J]

ok, i got around 10 at my disposal, what do you prefer, multi, single tricycle, or single conventional.

Great. I have a plane-treadmill at my disposal for when I wanted to practice power-ups w/out calling in my flight plans. I live in a fly-in community - fly on over tomorrow. If you're ballsy, feel free to land on my treadmill - if not, the runway in my back yard will suffice.

[redrumracer]

or laying some pipe with your girl.

[Evil Goat]

this would have been an awesome thread last year....

[redrumracer]

Great. I have a plane-treadmill at my disposal for when I wanted to practice power-ups w/out calling in my flight plans. I live in a fly-in community - fly on over tomorrow.
long and lat coordinates. and why would you need a flight plan, we can stay vfr. no plan needed.

[OldsTech]

it doesnt matter whether prop of jet. same principle for both types.

Not following here. How is it the same principle. I talking an aircraft with a propeller and a jet that uses thrust of the engine to make the aircraft go forward. An Aircraft with an propeller most of the time blows air over the wings to give lift. Where a jet propells the aircraft forward and the air from the speed on the aircraft lift the aircraft. But some jet aircraft have the engines mounted aft of the aircraft which maybe the suction of the engine could have enough to lift the aircraft

[imbosile]

The Mythbusters episode proves nothing. The speed of the "treadmill" aka butcher paper being pulled by a Segway stayed constant the entire time. The actual myth states that the conveyor always matches the speed of the wheels.

[nreggie454]

Not following here. How is it the same principle. I talking an aircraft with a propeller and a jet that uses thrust of the engine to make the aircraft go forward. An Aircraft with an propeller most of the time blows air over the wings to give lift. Where a jet propells the aircraft forward and the air from the speed on the aircraft lift the aircraft. But some jet aircraft have the engines mounted aft of the aircraft which maybe the suction of the engine could have enough to lift the aircraft

It really doesn't matter. Both types will take off. Both rely on moving air to propel the airplane instead of relying on putting power to the ground like a car.

[nreggie454]

The Mythbusters episode proves nothing. The speed of the "treadmill" aka butcher paper being pulled by a Segway stayed constant the entire time. The actual myth states that the conveyor always matches the speed of the wheels.

Looks at username....


Agreed.

[BABY J]

long and lat coordinates. and why would you need a flight plan, we can stay vfr. no plan needed.

VFR is for noobs, tourists, skydivers and newscasts. I'm a professional - not a novice.

I'm 22.8NM from the BRUNSWICK GOLDEN ISLES airport [BQK]. I have an ILS approach and an 8001 foot runway. So leave the single at home and bring the corporate jet.

[imbosile]

In order for the plane to move forward relative to the ground, the wheels of the plane must be moving faster than the butcher paper.... which it did.

[Julio]

Not this shit again.

[nreggie454]

In order for the plane to move forward relative to the ground, the wheels of the plane must be moving faster than the butcher paper.... which it did.

The speed of the wheels/conveyor belt does NOT matter. Airspeed is the only factor, which is why the plane takes off.

[ep9716]

Not this shit again.

Beat Me To It.

[Nittanys1]

and me....

[redrumracer]

Not following here. How is it the same principle. I talking an aircraft with a propeller and a jet that uses thrust of the engine to make the aircraft go forward. An Aircraft with an propeller most of the time blows air over the wings to give lift. Where a jet propells the aircraft forward and the air from the speed on the aircraft lift the aircraft. But some jet aircraft have the engines mounted aft of the aircraft which maybe the suction of the engine could have enough to lift the aircraft
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ok ok now that im done laughing at you cause i know more than you ill explain it for ya. the prop on a prop plane actually PULLS the airplane through the air and the jet pushes it..

[nreggie454]

Not this shit again.

LOL I was not wanting to start the long ass debate again, I just wanted people to watch the episode and STFU.

[BABY J]

The speed of the wheels/conveyor belt does NOT matter. Airspeed is the only factor, which is why the plane takes off.

Air doesn't speed.

[OldsTech]

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2293/2261/5731130172_large.jpg

This is what I work on... A twin otter, 2 turbo prop P&W PT6, along with Caravans, King Air, EMB-120, and 1900... So let not get backward. During Full Power runs the baby want to lift off. Too bad my company's last refur sold for 2.5 million dollar we could found out. I know something lighter could do more.

[redrumracer]

VFR is for noobs, tourists, skydivers and newscasts. I'm a professional - not a novice.

I'm 22.8NM from the BRUNSWICK GOLDEN ISLES airport [BQK]. I have an ILS approach and an 8001 foot runway. So leave the single at home and bring the corporate jet.
we dont have any "airworthy" corporate jets. although we do have a dc9 and a saber liner. and why hassle with all the ifr stuff when i can just go vfr and follow gps?

[Nittanys1]

*REMOVES SUBSCRIPTION*

[redrumracer]

Air doesn't speed.
no airspeed is the speed at which the airplane moves through the air, its the only thing we care about.

[redrumracer]

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2293/2261/5731130172_large.jpg

This is what I work on... A twin otter, 2 turbo prop P&W PT6... So let not get backward. During Full Power runs the baby want to lift off. I know something lighter could do more.
well then do this, next time its out on the ramp, go full throttles and just pull back on the yoke and see if it takes off at 0 airspeed. ill bet my future career that it doesnt.

[BABY J]

no airspeed is the speed at which the airplane moves through the air, its the only thing we care about.

No -- that's called planespeed. I mean the plane is what's moving.

[redrumracer]

No -- that's called planespeed. I mean the plane is what's moving.
lololol well you call it your make believe name, ill call it its real name. as long as we are talking about the same thing i dont care.

[OldsTech]

ok ok now that im done laughing at you cause i know more than you ill explain it for ya. the prop on a prop plane actually PULLS the airplane through the air and the jet pushes it..

OK, teach me.... Cuz how Im thinking of the theory on mythbuster and you must be different.... So a jet power aircraft would take off with a equal counter force on the ground to keep the aircraft stationary would lift off?

Ok didn't they prove an aircraft with a propeller would?

[BABY J]

Does any1 in this thread own a plane-treadmill other than me? NO. Did any1 else in this thread crash their primary plane off the front of it trying this other than me? NO. So until you guys try it like I did then STFU. Here is the video from my attempt:

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69925

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:locked:

[OldsTech]

well then do this, next time its out on the ramp, go full throttles and just pull back on the yoke and see if it takes off at 0 airspeed. ill bet my future career that it doesnt.

LOL... I don't think so.... It would be suicide. It would be controllable even if you did get any lift....

[nreggie454]

Full scale test on NOW. Watch it and be amazed.

[OldsTech]

The closes thing to this is a maule... Which can take off out of a hangar...

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=175186&stc=1

[redrumracer]

OK, teach me.... Cuz how Im thinking of the theory on mythbuster and you must be different.... So a jet power aircraft would take off with a equal counter force on the ground to keep the aircraft stationary would lift off?

Ok didn't they prove an aircraft with a propeller would?
ok the propeller and the jet both move the airplane through the air. the way a plane takes off is by getting enough speed to move the air over and under the wing at a certain speed. thats how it takes off.

on a prop plane the prop actually creates an undesired effect on the plane when the air hits the tail and pushes it. the air coming off the prop actually swirls as its coming off.

and yes the jet would take off, the wheels on the airplane just freewheel, they dont apply any power what so ever to the ground.

[BABY J]

ok the propeller and the jet both move the airplane through the air. the way a plane takes off is by getting enough speed to move the air over and under the wing at a certain speed. thats how it takes off.

on a prop plane the prop actually creates an undesired effect on the plane when the air hits the tail and pushes it. the air coming off the prop actually swirls as its coming off.

and yes the jet would take off, the wheels on the airplane just freewheel, they dont apply any power what so ever to the ground.

Bullshit. I pay good money everytime I need new plane wheels.

[redrumracer]

Bullshit. I pay good money everytime I need new plane wheels.
lol well they do roll across the ground, and you do have to stop with your brakes which uses even more tires, but they last for ever.

[nreggie454]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPFu7shIN3g

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[BABY J]

OK - let me stop being silly:

THIS ends the debate:

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showpost.php?p=35971298&postcount=595

[BABY J]

oh yeah - forgot 1:

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showpost.php?p=35967427&postcount=562

[OldsTech]

and yes the jet would take off, the wheels on the airplane just freewheel, they dont apply any power what so ever to the ground.

Agreed 100%..

Air has to be goin over the wings to get lift off, which comes from the the propeller/jet pushing the aircraft foward... But what I was saying is that a propeller on a aircraft in some app should push enough air over/under the wings to give lift.

For Example a Super Cub... There is a video of a Super cub lifting off the ground and was stationary

Where did the idea of an airplane gets power thur there wheels come from anywayz?

[redrumracer]

Agreed 100%..

Air has to be goin over the wings to get lift off, which comes from the the propeller/jet pushing the aircraft foward... But what I was saying is that a propeller on a aircraft in some app should push enough air over/under the wings to give lift.

For Example a Super Cub... There is a video of a Super cub lifting off the ground and was stationary

Where did the idea of an airplane gets power thur there wheels come from anywayz?
yea one thing they dont say is that they had like a 40 knot headwind that day. and it actually took less than 25 feet to take off. that plus the cub has an extremely low takeoff speed.

[OldsTech]

Heres a good video of a Super Cub.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfeMLQNe57E

[OldsTech]

yea one thing they dont say is that they had like a 40 knot headwind that day. and it actually took less than 25 feet to take off. that plus the cub has an extremely low takeoff speed.

True but all the better.

[redrumracer]

Heres a good video of a Super Cub.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfeMLQNe57E
they are awesome planes cant deny that.

[Juggernaut]

LOL. Redrum seems to be the only one here that didn't google flight info.


Redrum, kill your parents and use the insurance money to buy Garmin's Synthetic Vision. Incredible. Youtube it if you haven't seen it already.

[redrumracer]

LOL. Redrum seems to be the only one here that didn't google flight info.


Redrum, kill your parents and use the insurance money to buy Garmin's Synthetic Vision. Incredible. Youtube it if you haven't seen it already.
ive already seen it, read about it in a mag.

[redrumracer]

oh juggernaut and others,

this might be the part where i add that im a pilot.

[BABY J]

So am I.

[Juggernaut]

oh juggernaut and others,

this might be the part where i add that im a pilot.I had gathered that. Reading about it and flying with are two different things. Closest thing you'll get to Mil-spec technology for a while.

[OldsTech]

oh juggernaut and others,

this might be the part where i add that im a pilot.

I think we pick that up from all the Abb. like VFR, ILS, ADF, VOR, GPS, DME, HSI, RMI, D.G., TCAS, and etc, ect...

[redrumracer]

I had gathered that. Reading about it and flying with are two different things. Closest thing you'll get to Mil-spec technology for a while.
yea if you have 12k sitting around for the base model

[redrumracer]

I think we pick that up from all the Abb. like VFR, ILS, ADF, VOR, GPS, DME, HSI, RMI, D.G., TCAS, and etc, ect...
well atleast i didnt use v speeds

[Juggernaut]

I think we pick that up from all the Abb. like VFR, ILS, ADF, VOR, GPS, DME, HSI, RMI, D.G., TCAS, and etc, ect...You have AIDS and HIV, I don't want to confuse you but those are both STD's. Maybe you should see a doctor ASAP before you arrive at the hospital DOA. Your wake would probably be BYOB anyway you cheap bastard. STFU and GTFO before I make you DIAF you POS.:lmfao:

[Juggernaut]

yea if you have 12k sitting around for the base modelis it only 12k? For some reason I thought it was more. Oh well, I have a rich uncle that pays for most of my gadgets;)

[redrumracer]

is it only 12k? For some reason I thought it was more. Oh well, I have a rich uncle that pays for most of my gadgets;)
oh no, thats just the barebones model from what i read, they easily go up to 30k with optional equip if i remember right.

[Psycho]

oh no, thats just the barebones model from what i read, they easily go up to 30k with optional equip if i remember right.
I'd sway a 2JZ into it, then call the whole kills forum out.

[redrumracer]

I'd sway a 2JZ into it, then call the whole kills forum out.
from a rolling start right? as in i fly by you near my stall speed and you start at like 20 and go to 100 or 120 right?

[redrumracer]

i mean the lil ole plane only has 160 hp and only revs to 2500 rpm.

EDIT: oh wait i forgot about the 2jz part. make that 1000hp but having a gear reduction for the prop. thatll work.

[Psycho]

i mean the lil ole plane only has 160 hp and only revs to 2500 rpm.
Is that on or off bottle?

[redrumracer]

Is that on or off bottle?
off the bottle, but it is running 100ll fuel.

[Ruiner]

We all know it won't. Me RUINER and JAIMECBR900, SPEEDMINDED and a few others proved this years ago.:rolleyes:

Sure about that? We can check my previous HUGE thread where I said that it WOULD take off.

[BABY J]

^^ read this entire thread b4 you say that. ;)

[speedminded]

Not following here. How is it the same principle. I talking an aircraft with a propeller and a jet that uses thrust of the engine to make the aircraft go forward. An Aircraft with an propeller most of the time blows air over the wings to give lift. Where a jet propells the aircraft forward and the air from the speed on the aircraft lift the aircraft. But some jet aircraft have the engines mounted aft of the aircraft which maybe the suction of the engine could have enough to lift the aircraftYou're joking right?

[tdurr]

^ duh. gotta be. other wise, im gonna slap him.

[redrumracer]

i see yall last 2 didnt read the whole thing where i semi explained it to him huh?

[Sport1.3]

LOL @ THIS BEING OLD AS BRETT AND STILL BEING DEBATED

[speedminded]

i see yall last 2 didnt read the whole thing where i semi explained it to him huh?Explaining it, giving examples, and creating a tv show out of it proving it still doesn't make someone understand. Oldstech is an airplane mechanic and
thinks the props blow air over the wings to create lift? *sigh*

[EJ25RUN]

Explaining it, giving examples, and creating a tv show out of it proving it still doesn't make someone understand. Oldstech is an airplane mechanic and
thinks the props blow air over the wings to create lift? *sigh*

I think a visual aid will help to understand what your trying to say much better.

http://xenophilius.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/dsc01641512x278.jpg
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/images/uploaded-images/2008-4/14290.jpg


On the other hand, on an ekranoplan, It is the air being directed under the wings from the prop/jet engine that creates lift.

http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/Gidroaviasalon2006/Highlights/Ekranoplan_1.jpg