If you were to build a track car - what would you build?

[Atlblkz06]

I'm just tossing some options in the air for next year.

Budget ~10k (chassis, engine and suspension only. Seats + cage etc is extra)

Miata? E36? Porsche 944?
Lotus Elise with K20?! (talk about fun - but slightly over the 10k limit)

[LeX]

import an older STI lol

[redrumracer]

ill assume your talkin bout road course type track right?

id say a subie rs. its awd so got that going for it, do some mods maybe a motor swap. and some suspension.

hell might be able to find one with some stuff done to it already.

[Atlblkz06]

Yea for road racing. Ah ok, subie with motor swap - kinda like sunny's car now!

[Me86Rob]

autumn

[Oz10]

subaru ftl



...:ninja:

[Fr33way]

An E30.

[Deke]

It's a little older, but I imagine you could put together a fun litte Datsun 510 for 10k.

Oh, and of course, suby ftw.

[LeX]

i wasnt going to say it but since you guys already said it... my subaru Rs is for sale lol

and my datsun 510 :)

[Catnip]

One of the S2000s in the classifieds

[Atlblkz06]

autumn?...

I'd really love to have a 944 track car but those things are a bitch to maintain. but they're oh so sexy!

How about a 240sx with an LS2 in it! Then when it starts feeling slow I could procharge it so the boost is gradual and it'll be a shit ton of fun again lol

I havent really kept tabs much but how much are E30s and E36s in decent shape these days?

[Oz10]

ill assume your talkin bout road course type track right?

id say a subie rs. its awd so got that going for it, do some mods maybe a motor swap. and some suspension.

hell might be able to find one with some stuff done to it already.

check this shit out...

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/TIMEATTACK-SUBARU-850HP_193091.htm

[BKgen®]

430 Scuderia.

[K20Z1]

a honda!


jk....k24 crx is fun..

[redrumracer]

Yea for road racing. Ah ok, subie with motor swap - kinda like sunny's car now!
no not like his like allirae(sp)

[Deke]

check this shit out...

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/TIMEATTACK-SUBARU-850HP_193091.htm

That's beastly.

[redrumracer]

check this shit out...

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/TIMEATTACK-SUBARU-850HP_193091.htm
i have a soft spot for subies, i liked them before the got popular.

[nreggie454]

Are you planning on competing? If so, look up class restrictions. That will really help you decide.

If you just want a fun car to track, get a E36 325i, swap in a M3 engine, and get suspension goodies.

[Atlblkz06]

Thanks for the video it was pretty bad ass.

Scuderia... lol right! I meant 10k total, not 10k per session.

[Atlblkz06]

Are you planning on competing? If so, look up class restrictions. That will really help you decide.

If you just want a fun car to track, get a E36 325i, swap in a M3 engine, and get suspension goodies.

I'm a track noob just trying to get into the game. Yea I think I'll just get a cheap car, upgrade the suspension and brakes, make the engine bulletproof and go from there.

[Oz10]

Thanks for the video it was pretty bad ass.

Scuderia... lol right! I meant 10k total, not 10k per session.

no prob. I want to know how they got that much horsepower out of a subaru. :eek:

[On_Her_Face]

A used Oscar Meyer truck so i could hit everybody with my big fucking wiener.

[BKgen®]

A used Oscar Meyer truck so i could hit everybody with my big fucking wiener.

el oh el :lmfao:

[Oz10]

hahahaha

[redrumracer]

A used Oscar Meyer truck so i could hit everybody with my big fucking wiener.
we have a wiener!

[Crazy Asian]

the tank. I can be slow but Ill still be able to shoot things for a distance and BAM blow up.Also run over things.

[Kaiser]

Making the engine trully bulletproof will spend most of your ten grand.

Decide what you want to do first, Solo (AutoX, Autocross, whatever) has a very different set of requirements (And class restrictions) than Club (HPDE, Time Attack, Wheel to Wheel actual racing).

[JITB]

bulletproof motor - miata 1.6 or 1.8 both strong motors
Cheap - miata


Miata!

[AirMax95]

BMW E30 or E36, Subaru 2.5rs........look no further, lol.

I have a strong lead on an E30 that I may snag...good condition, runs great.

[Elbow]

Miata, and not because I own one, that's why I got one lol. Motors are INSANELY reliable, cheap mods, handle great, and can be made faster as you want to get faster. If this is just for trackdays and whatnot. Although an E30 is a great choice too, or an E36 if you find one cheap enough. OR a Honda, despite people who THINK fwd cars suck at road racing :screwy:

You won't spend 10k making a car reliable..no clue why that was said lol.

AWD isn't the best for road racing always. I mean you rarely see many Subarus out there...

[EJ25RUN]

I'd have to be rwd or fwd.

So

rwd:

Miata
240 (No really forget drifting for a sec)
BMW (Any of them)

Fwd

Civic
Sentra/G20
MX3

There are many others. The big thing here is a car that can help you improve to faster cars.

[DunDunSkeert]

A built turbo beetle with like 350whp that looks completely stock would be awesome.

[Thighs]

E30

[JITB]

I'd have to be rwd or fwd.

So

rwd:

Miata
240 (No really forget drifting for a sec)
BMW (Any of them)

Fwd

Civic
Sentra/G20
MX3

There are many others. The big thing here is a car that can help you improve to faster cars.

id prefer the Escort Gt/ protege Lx over the mx3 just because mx3's are a little heavier. and you can put the same motors in them. And they dont feel as stable to me in the. And you can find either running for about 500$ :eek:

[greasemunkey]

280z

[AirMax95]

Im planning on slowly turning the Audi into a weekend track car. It will be slow as piss, but will handle well.

[Kaiser]

................
You won't spend 10k making a car reliable..no clue why that was said lol.
...............

Because your definition of Bulletproof apparently isn't what the word actually means. That's why.

[Elbow]

Well, bulletproof as in I can't shoot a gun at it? Or as in it will last a season under hard abuse? Because I know tons of race cars built for 10k total and ran same engine all year not a single issue. Explain.

[OneSlow5pt0]

LS1/6 in a 1st gen RX-7
LT1 in my 3rd gen
MX3 KLZE swap
6th gen celica with 3sgte swap or 4agze
Fiero with LS1 swap

[mushroom_toy]

3rd Gen Accord....for 10k you could build a KILLER accord. 1k will buy you an accord in good shape, another 2-3k for engine swap or turbo and rebuild, and the rest into suspension (basically whatever setup you want as almost all civic coilovers fit pretty well).

[OnURleft]

E36 M3 hands down and this is coming from someone with over 15 weekends just at Road Atlanta in various cars and atleast another 6-10 at other tracks.. One of the best chassis on any car of all time. Ranked best handling car for any price in America when it was out and still nationally competitive in SCCA autocross against the most built Evo's. Also, the only car club raced more seems to be Miata's but Miata's have no balls. Predictable and easy to drive fast as well. With modest upgrades you will have no trouble running down just about anything from Vette's to Elise's.. Mine is doing 1:43's with shocks/springs/R comps only! and some power upgrades. You'd have to be very on top of things to match a 1:43 in a C5 Z06 on R comps. I only get passed by instructors and club racers in Vette's...never students..

I would suggest an E30 to learn on (incredibly predicatble and what I learned on) but in terms of handling their rear supsension design/geometry is really inferior compared to an E36 and they just don't handle nearly as well. Put it this way Mike McCoy's gutted and nearly stock E36 325is (shocks, springs, software, 2600lbs) runs better times on street tires then your average spec E30 race car (we run down Robert Patton every event and he "had" or still "has" the spec E30 record on Road Atlanta).

Also E36 M50 based motors are bullet proof. I'm at around 140,000 miles and so many of those are hard hard track miles and I've done nothing but a clutch and oil changes. More solid than any track car in my own personal opinions.

I'd also suggest (if you really like Corvette's an older 98-99 C5 vette). They are cheap to run and with skill can be very fast but they are NOT the best tool for learning at all.

I can't really suggest anything else because the E36 chassis is so good for so cheap and SO much fun to drive. My family friends all had CRX's back in the day and I loved driving those (incredibly fun and easy to learn from and maintain) but I just can't deal with FF.
I would NOT by any means every suggest an S2k. Incredibly switchy at the limit and are really driven best by those with LOTS of experience and talent. You have to be on your feet with ALL your skill in tact to drive one at the limit lap after lap, otherwise you just have to back off if you don't have the skill. If you start going to track days I gaurentee you'll see beginners spinning left and right and going off in S2k's.

[FasTech]

Probably build either a CRX or a ae86.

[nsany(atl)]

you need to start by reading the rule book and finding out what cars are approved and what mods.
http://www.scca.com/contentpage.aspx?content=44

then start looking for a used race car

http://www.sportscarmag.com/showroom.asp

[blackyellrx7]

i would build a first gen rx7 with a 20b 3 rotor engine to have fun

[Atlblkz06]

I appreciate all the input, thank you very much!

[Big Baller]

It depends on what you want to do, if you just want to do track days then it doesn't matter really. If you want to Time Attack then AWD is pretty much the way to go, especially in the street tire classes. If you actually want to compete...MIATA

I cant stress this enough, you can buy a Spec Miata that someone else built for very close to that money. Not only are they super reliable but they are good cars to learn in. They will teach you about momentum.

I like Subies but you are going to be pushing that budget to the limit just to swap a STI drivetrain into a coupe. You still won't have suspension or brakes etc...

If you already have a Z06 just track that.

[David88vert]

i would build a first gen rx7 with a 20b 3 rotor engine to have fun

Not for $10K total you wouldn't.

------------------------------

I already did this a long time ago. Without a doubt, the easiest to build with my resources was a FB (1st gen RX7). If you don't have rotary related resources, then look at Miata or a E36. Ultimately, choose a car that you have not only the money to purchase, and setup, but also that you have the money to maintain, and that you have people that can help you with working on it. Support is important if you plan to keep doing it for long.

Also, remember that the more powerful cars will eat up more money for tires and brake pads. These are items that will purchase a lot, so careful planning in the early stages is important.

[seanrg1116]

323 gtx

[Big Baller]

Keep in mind that low horsepower light weight cars go through parts a lot less frequently. I know guys with Miatas that use one set of brake pads a year, and one to two sets of tires.

In contrast my STI at Road Atlanta uses a set of pads and tires per weekend. Heres a quick budget off the top of my head for an all out race weekend at Barber for my STI

Gas to and from track pulling trailer $50
Hotel room $150 (shitty hotel)
Gas for Racecar $300
Tires $1200-1500
Brake Pads $250-400 (just fronts or both)
Food $100
Oil change etc... consumables $250
Entry Fee $250 (free when you become an instructor but not if you are racing)

Thats a 3000 dollar weekend

Now lets say you don't want to compete, you just want to have fun in your miata
This is as bare bones cheap as it gets
Gas there $20 driving the car
Oil change etc...$100
Camp at the track $15
Food $20 PBJ bitchs
Tires Brake Pads etc divided up over 6 track days(maybe more) $100
Entry Fee $250

Its still a $500 dollar weekend, just be realistic about what you can afford to do, I would buy someones beat up spec miata and run HPDEs for the first year, go to as many track days as you can afford to and hone your skill.

Matt

[VickNotic]

import the older Lancer GSR V, IV, heck even the III. the really JDM versions!

[Big Baller]

import the older Lancer GSR V, IV, heck even the III. the really JDM versions!


Yes import something that will be hard to get parts for...and do it for 10k dollars

Dumbass

[Elbow]

LOL

Some of you all are naming setups and cars that just are no good.

[Oz10]

LOL

Some of you all are naming setups and cars that just are no good.

x2

Seems like some people are more interested in rarity and horsepower than trackability and reliability.

[2.25teg]

Late model subaru deffinatly or if you wanted To go fwd a four door teg would be a good budget car with lots of potential my opinion subaru be your best bet in tha long run

[Oz10]

Late model subaru deffinatly or if you wanted To go fwd a four door teg would be a good budget car with lots of potential my opinion subaru be your best bet in tha long run

One of his stipulations is that it he wants to build it for under 10K, so a late model subaru would be out of the question. Plus it seems like you would be able to learn more in something like a miata.

[2.25teg]

good plan

[Atlblkz06]

LOL @ some of the responses...

Now that you guys mention it - learning is very important to me. I could just throw tires and brakes on my Z06 and go to the track but that wouldn't teach me much.

I'm looking for a car that's precise. Something twitchy like an S2k would be a bad idea.

I'm personally interested in RWD, so I'm gonna look hard at the E36 and Miata.
bh;

[Whiteboy572]

Money no option fd rx7/lsx
Money option fc rx7/302
Both will run t5's more than likely.

[OneSlow5pt0]

i see nothing wrong running GM V8s,thier cheap,reliable and good power

[2.25teg]

A miata is a good car to learn on but don't forget bout the fun factor thats what its all about what you`ll enjoy

[alpine_aw11]

Someday, I am building a blacktop 20v mr2 as a track car. Definitely not typical, but hopefully one day I will be able to really build one. If not, I would do either a Miata or a CRX.

[2.25teg]

A miata is a good car to learn on but don't forget bout the fun factor thats what its all about what you`ll enjoy

[Big Baller]

If you wanted to spend 15 or 16k you could pick up a used 05 STI, there are very few more reliable track cars. All it needs is sways

[okra1981]

Some dude has a bugeye WRX for sale, around $7k, in the sale thread. Also, I think there is an $8k S2000 in there as well, both would be good choices.
You should be able to get a hold of a 240 with an SR20 in it for around $6k, in good condition. Take out the interior and those things are fun, also, Miata's should do a good job as well.

[Elbow]

A miata is a good car to learn on but don't forget bout the fun factor thats what its all about what you`ll enjoy

So a Miata doesn't have the fun factor? lol

WHY a 4 door Teg????

And sure a Chevy V8 is cheap and reliable, but why spend all that money building a car? He sounds to me he wants seat time, get a BMW or a Miata, put a few small mods on it, and start learning. As you progress, make it faster or upgrade.

[Roadster]

If you've got some fabrication skills, there isn't much that can keep up with a Locost frame with a turbo Miata powerplant, especially for the money. 1000lbs, 250hp or more. 0-60 in a little over 3 seconds. They can put out some really insane numbers.

[Elbow]

^That would be death for a track noob lol.

[Atlblkz06]

He sounds to me he wants seat time, get a BMW or a Miata, put a few small mods on it, and start learning. As you progress, make it faster or upgrade.

Thats correct. I figure if the miata is too slow, I could always slap on a paxton novi, or throw an LSx in there :)

Oh yea Locost, forgot about that. Not yet though. But certainly an awesome option later on. Maybe even an Ultima down the line... with an LS7 in it! :crazy:

[OnURleft]

If you've got some fabrication skills, there isn't much that can keep up with a Locost frame with a turbo Miata powerplant, especially for the money. 1000lbs, 250hp or more. 0-60 in a little over 3 seconds. They can put out some really insane numbers.


I can't think of something worse to learn on. Maybe a procharged Z06 on Hoosiers..

[Big Baller]

Some dude has a bugeye WRX for sale, around $7k, in the sale thread. Also, I think there is an $8k S2000 in there as well, both would be good choices.
You should be able to get a hold of a 240 with an SR20 in it for around $6k, in good condition. Take out the interior and those things are fun, also, Miata's should do a good job as well.

Base model WRXs suck on track, you will just end up swapping a sti drivetrain into it. S2000s are fun but not the most reliable and they are terrible in the rain. SR20 and reliable shouldn't be used in the same sentence together, they also make terrible track cars. Look at all the work DSG put into theirs and its still slow.

[Big Baller]

You know I always here about how fast the Locost are but I've probably been on track with 15 or 20 of them...and they are never fast.

[Thighs]

^^ they need the driver mod.

if the 10k limit is in effect, i would definitely pick a miata or an e30 for rwd, but for learning i think fwd would be better. an ef or an mx3 would be a VERY cheap options. also b13 se-rs make GREAT track cars, for cheap.

[JITB]

id get a 323 and throw a klze/de in it. good tires suspension. and im happy. and I would have atleast 5k left over to do track events!

[OnURleft]

Base model WRXs suck on track, you will just end up swapping a sti drivetrain into it. S2000s are fun but not the most reliable and they are terrible in the rain. SR20 and reliable shouldn't be used in the same sentence together, they also make terrible track cars. Look at all the work DSG put into theirs and its still slow.

+1 in every form.

[VooDooXII]

Lotus Super Seven kit car? :D

The 944's an interesting suggestion though, and I'd certainly enjoy a 944 S2.

[GTScoob]

I think I'd go with an E36 if I wanted to keep it relatively stock and learn to drive. I would say Miata but there's no way in hell I can fit in one, E36s are plenty roomy for me.

240Z with some serious body stiffening and a different powerplant when I got better and wanted something faster.

All you guys saying WRXs should really add up the costs to swap an older car. You can get shells for cheap but figure in motor/tranny/brakes/suspension and you'll be up and over 10K very quickly.

[AirMax95]

You can find a decent running E36 for under $5k.

[Big Baller]

^^ they need the driver mod.

if the 10k limit is in effect, i would definitely pick a miata or an e30 for rwd, but for learning i think fwd would be better. an ef or an mx3 would be a VERY cheap options. also b13 se-rs make GREAT track cars, for cheap.

FWD cars have no place in the performance world, period. I'm sure that will piss plenty of people off. There is no reason to learn on something thats going to teach you bad habits, thats why I didn't recommend AWD and FWD falls into the same category. AWD is fine once you have the skills to make it work but when you start off in a AWD car it teachs you really bad habits.

[Elbow]

Doesn't teach BAD habits, it's just a different type of driving you have to do, which some cannot be carried to RWD. My first track car was a Civic. It can still teach momentum, braking, etc.

That was pretty dumb to say though, I thought you were big into racing? lol. Never seen BTCC or touring cars using FWD? You can make a FWD car handle pretty damn good...

[Big Baller]

Doesn't teach BAD habits, it's just a different type of driving you have to do, which some cannot be carried to RWD. My first track car was a Civic. It can still teach momentum, braking, etc.

That was pretty dumb to say though, I thought you were big into racing? lol. Never seen BTCC or touring cars using FWD? You can make a FWD car handle pretty damn good...

Sure it can teach you things. Jumping off a bridge can teach you about momentum and braking as well but I wouldn't do that either. Real sportscars are rwd, buy learning a rwd car you are setting yourself up for the most opportunity's to succeed. You can make a FWD car handle, you can also fuck a pig but again I won't be doing that either.

Regardless I hate FWD cars, thats my opinion.

For the record I am not big into racing, I don't feel the need to watch every minute of every race that comes on. I race cars so I don't need to watch other people do it all day long. Don't get me wrong I have friends that run in Grand-am and I watch all those races but I'm not one of those guys that feels a need to show how cool I am by naming off every single driver in every series that ever existed.

[Atlblkz06]

Sure FWD can be made fast, but it just doesnt make sense to me.

Acceleration shifts weight to the rear wheels - might as well use it and give the rear wheels something useful to do instead of letting the fronts do all the work.
You wouldn't throw in 6 pistons 14" rotors in the back with 13.5" 4 pots in the front!

Also, its so much easier to have a decently balanced RWD car instead of having all the weight up on the front axle. It'd take a miracle of engineering to make a fwd car not inherently under-steer. And you'd have to pay big bucks too - Civic Type R?

With the typical small fwd car that's nose-heavy, the car will even come around if you brake hard under light cornering loads. The front is so heavy that braking puts the car's center of mass incredibly close to the front axle.

[Big Baller]

Also you could consider a Foxbody Mustang, check out NASAs web page and you can find out more about CMC (camaro mustang challenge). Its a very affordable class to run. Theres also a class called AI (American Iron) you could probably build a car for that for between 10k and 15k, its a very good very competitive class.

[Elbow]

Sure it can teach you things. Jumping off a bridge can teach you about momentum and braking as well but I wouldn't do that either. Real sportscars are rwd, buy learning a rwd car you are setting yourself up for the most opportunity's to succeed. You can make a FWD car handle, you can also fuck a pig but again I won't be doing that either.

Regardless I hate FWD cars, thats my opinion.

For the record I am not big into racing, I don't feel the need to watch every minute of every race that comes on. I race cars so I don't need to watch other people do it all day long. Don't get me wrong I have friends that run in Grand-am and I watch all those races but I'm not one of those guys that feels a need to show how cool I am by naming off every single driver in every series that ever existed.

I race cars too, and I can't name tons of drivers, but I know stuff about different series, as I am around different series, team owners, and people. Nothing wrong with WATCHING racing if you aren't at the event. You don't drive F1 so I guess you can watch that? lol

[matthewAPM]

Also you could consider a Foxbody Mustang, check out NASAs web page and you can find out more about CMC (camaro mustang challenge). Its a very affordable class to run. Theres also a class called AI (American Iron) you could probably build a car for that for between 10k and 15k, its a very good very competitive class.

:no:

[Big Baller]

I race cars too, and I can't name tons of drivers, but I know stuff about different series, as I am around different series, team owners, and people. Nothing wrong with WATCHING racing if you aren't at the event. You don't drive F1 so I guess you can watch that? lol

I should have made it more clear, I love racing, I just don't like watching it that much. BTCC honestly bores me to death, probably because I hate fwd cars. I respect other peoples right to enjoy what ever they want but its not my thing. If it won't hang ass out coming out of 12 at Road A then I'm probably not going to want to drive it.

Honestly I would rather watch scca club racing any day over F1, its the lamest most boring shit on TV. I have no idea what it is that people find so appealing about it.

[Big Baller]

:no:

Oh your one of those

[Elbow]

I should have made it more clear, I love racing, I just don't like watching it that much. BTCC honestly bores me to death, probably because I hate fwd cars. I respect other peoples right to enjoy what ever they want but its not my thing. If it won't hang ass out coming out of 12 at Road A then I'm probably not going to want to drive it.

Honestly I would rather watch scca club racing any day over F1, its the lamest most boring shit on TV. I have no idea what it is that people find so appealing about it.

Well true NEW BTCC is boring, but back in the day when they hot and banged and drove balls out it was exciting. I agree it's exciting for your rear tire to clip the outside at T12 on the exit. And F1 was boring, but these past two years were anything but boring.

[Big Baller]

Well true NEW BTCC is boring, but back in the day when they hot and banged and drove balls out it was exciting. I agree it's exciting for your rear tire to clip the outside at T12 on the exit. And F1 was boring, but these past two years were anything but boring.

To say F1 is boring isn't really a fair statement, I think all open wheel racing is pretty boring

[ranger250x]

Also you could consider a Foxbody Mustang, check out NASAs web page and you can find out more about CMC (camaro mustang challenge). Its a very affordable class to run. Theres also a class called AI (American Iron) you could probably build a car for that for between 10k and 15k, its a very good very competitive class.

Its actually more expensive than one might think. building one from the ground up will definately cost more than the 10K budget that Atlz06 would like to stay close to. I'm not sure what they go for when they are already built.

I would say race a miata. to be very competative in SM would definately be expensive, but to build a SSM(showroom stock miata) would be considerably cheaper. if you get a chance next year go to road atlanta and walk around in the paddock area. you'll get a better idea of costs there. also there is a spec miata forum, might be a good place to find out more info:goodjob:

[Big Baller]

You can build a CMC car for 10k no problem, I helped a buddy build one for just under and that included the fire system and all that jazz, now AI you could build a car for 10 but you won't be competitive. Ill stick with my original suggestion though...MIATA

[Thighs]

FWD cars have no place in the performance world, period. I'm sure that will piss plenty of people off. There is no reason to learn on something thats going to teach you bad habits, thats why I didn't recommend AWD and FWD falls into the same category. AWD is fine once you have the skills to make it work but when you start off in a AWD car it teachs you really bad habits.

that was one of the most ignorant statements ive ever read.


bad habits? its just a different style of driving. awd cars handle alot like fwd cars sometimes, so im assuming these "bad habits" are the ones that you use on the track? until you start producing big hp numbers, fwd can be just as fast as rwd, if not faster. its ALOT easier to go fast in a fwd car. if set up correctly, a fwd car will get sideways easier and more often than a rwd car, and go faster in the process. just look at speed world challenge TC. who wins most of the races? its either realtime acura, tri-point, tindol, and SOMETIMES bimmerworld.

FOXBODY?? :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

:screwy:

[Thighs]

Its actually more expensive than one might think. building one from the ground up will definately cost more than the 10K budget that Atlz06 would like to stay close to. I'm not sure what they go for when they are already built.

I would say race a miata. to be very competative in SM would definately be expensive, but to build a SSM(showroom stock miata) would be considerably cheaper. if you get a chance next year go to road atlanta and walk around in the paddock area. you'll get a better idea of costs there. also there is a spec miata forum, might be a good place to find out more info:goodjob:

theres nto really a big field for SSM... you could buy a middle-pack SM for pretty close to 10k.

unless you wana run with hooverspeed, saferacer, or even OPM:ninja:... then youre looking at 25k+

[ranger250x]

theres nto really a big field for SSM... you could buy a middle-pack SM for pretty close to 10k.

unless you wana run with hooverspeed, saferacer, or even OPM:ninja:... then youre looking at 25k+

I hear you on that. why go ninja on OPM though???

edit: ^^^ nevermind Jesse

Do you work with OPM anymore or have you moved on? havent heard if you were going back or not?

[okra1981]

Base model WRXs suck on track, you will just end up swapping a sti drivetrain into it. S2000s are fun but not the most reliable and they are terrible in the rain. SR20 and reliable shouldn't be used in the same sentence together, they also make terrible track cars. Look at all the work DSG put into theirs and its still slow.
I was just thinking of things that I would do with 10k for fun. I didn't realize that S2000's were that bad though, that sucks, it should have been a great car. I'm sure this guy isn't expecting to win anything in his first year, but investing in a platform that he can learn and build on, that makes a little more sense.

[Roadster]

that was one of the most ignorant statements ive ever read.


bad habits? its just a different style of driving. awd cars handle alot like fwd cars sometimes, so im assuming these "bad habits" are the ones that you use on the track? until you start producing big hp numbers, fwd can be just as fast as rwd, if not faster. its ALOT easier to go fast in a fwd car. if set up correctly, a fwd car will get sideways easier and more often than a rwd car, and go faster in the process. just look at speed world challenge TC. who wins most of the races? its either realtime acura, tri-point, tindol, and SOMETIMES bimmerworld.

FOXBODY?? :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

:screwy:

Foxes can be a force to be reckoned with. If you can hustle one of those around the track you're doing something right. I'd love to have one.

Realistically, since I didn't realize that this was intended to be a noob car (thought it was just build something for 10 grand), then the Miata would probably be the best choice. Quick, forgiving, reliable, cheap.

But if I personally had 10k to drop on a track car all at once, I wouldn't be starting out with something slow. I'd be getting the fastest thing I could for the money and just work with the steep learning curve. You learn fastest out of necessity. Hence the Super 7 I mentioned before. If you've got any clue about how to drive, it's not just going to bugger off and kill you. And if it does, it's natural selection. ;)

For safety's sake though...E30, E36, or Miata.

[Thighs]

I hear you on that. why go ninja on OPM though???

edit: ^^^ nevermind Jesse

Do you work with OPM anymore or have you moved on? havent heard if you were going back or not?

i guess i still work there... lol. theyve been really slow lately though. last i heard from tom or brad, they were looking for work just like i am. a couple guys up there are looking for part time jobs until racing season starts back up in february, but ive got a spot locked down with another team if things work out and we find sponsors. im just waiting to hear something. i should have called today, but i guess ill just have to wait until monday. :(

[Elbow]

FUCK THE OFF SEASON.

Everyone in racing goes broke now :( lol

[Big Baller]

that was one of the most ignorant statements ive ever read.


bad habits? its just a different style of driving. awd cars handle alot like fwd cars sometimes, so im assuming these "bad habits" are the ones that you use on the track? until you start producing big hp numbers, fwd can be just as fast as rwd, if not faster. its ALOT easier to go fast in a fwd car. if set up correctly, a fwd car will get sideways easier and more often than a rwd car, and go faster in the process. just look at speed world challenge TC. who wins most of the races? its either realtime acura, tri-point, tindol, and SOMETIMES bimmerworld.

FOXBODY?? :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

:screwy:

LOL...I'm not even going to argue with you, you actually know even less than I thought you did. If fwd was faster then they would be driving the front wheels of F1 cars.

A properly setup AWD car does not handle like a fwd car.

Foxbodys are cheap I didn't say they were the best handling car ever.

[Roadster]

FUCK THE OFF SEASON.

Everyone in racing goes broke now :( lol

Not everyone. We're covered up right now.