Marijauna Myth's

[thecrazyone]

PLEASE TRY TO PROVE THIS WRONG)))) :blah: .

If you are to sheltered or ignorant to accept that its 2008 and the research has been done and all the lies that were spewed to you and you spewed to others...well....lies what do you have to say now?

Health Risk Myths and Realities

Marijuana Overdose

No evidence exists that anyone has ever died of a marijuana overdose. Tests performed on mice have shown that the ratio of cannabinoids (the chemicals in marijuana that make you stoned) necessary for overdose to the amount necessary for intoxication is 40,000:1. For comparison's sake, that ratio for alcohol is generally between 4:1 and 10:1. Alcohol overdoses kill about 5,000 yearly but marijuana overdoses kill no one as far as anyone can tell.

Brain Damage

Marijuana is psychoactive because it stimulates certain brain receptors, but it does not produce toxins that kill them (like alcohol), and it does not wear them out as other drugs may. There is no evidence that marijuana use is a cause of brain damage. Studies by Dr. Robert Heath claimed the contrary in experiments on monkeys, but Heath's work has been sharply criticized by the Institute of Medicine and the National Academy of Sciences on three primary counts:

its insufficient sample size (only four monkeys),
its failure to control experimental bias, and its misidentification of normal monkey brain structure as "damaged".

A far superior experiment by the National Center for Toxicological Research (NCTR) involving 64 rhesus monkeys that were exposed to daily or weekly doses of marijuana smoke for a year found no evidence of structural or neurochemical changes in the brains of rhesus monkeys. Studies performed on actual human populations will confirm these results, even for chronic marijuana users (up to 18 joints per day) after many years of use. In fact, following the publication of two 1977 JAMA studies, the American Medical Association (AMA) officially announced its support for the decriminalization of marijuana.

Contrary to a 1987 television commercial sponsored by the Partnership for a Drug-Free America (PDFA), marijuana does not "flatten" brain waves either. In the commercial, a normal human brain wave was compared to what was supposedly the (much flatter) brain wave of a 14-year-old high on marijuana. It was actually the brain wave of a coma patient. PDFA lied about the data, and had to pull the commercial off of the air when researchers complained to the television networks.

In reality, marijuana has the effect of slightly increasing alpha-wave activity. Alpha waves are generally associated with meditative and relaxed states which are, in turn, often associated with human creativity.

Heart Problems

It is accepted in medical circles today that marijuana use causes no evident long-term cardiovascular problems for normal persons. However, marijuana-smoking does cause changes in the heart and body's circulation characteristic of stress, which may complicate preexisting cardiovascular problems like hypertension, cerebrovascular disease, and coronary atherosclerosis. Marijuana's effects upon blood pressure are complex and inconsistent.

Hormones

Chronic marijuana use has not been found to alter testosterone or other sex hormone levels, despite the conclusions of Dr. R.C. Kolodony's 1974 study. Seven similar studies have been performed since then, the most recent by a Dr. Robert Block at the University of Iowa, and none have reproduced Kolodony's results. In contrast, heavy alcohol use is known to lower these same testosterone levels.

Reproductive Damage

No trustworthy study has ever shown that marijuana use damages the reproductive system, or causes chromosome breakage. Dr. Gabriel Nahas reached the opposite conclusion in his experiments performed in the early 1980s, but did so in part using the in vitro (i.e., in test tubes and petrii dishes) cells of rhesus monkeys. His rather unjustified claim that these changes would also occur in human bodies in vivo (in the body) was criticized by his colleagues and, in 1983, he renounced his own results.

Studies of actual human populations have failed to demonstrate that marijuana adversely affects the reproductive system. Wu et al. found in 1988 a correlation between marijuana use and low sperm counts in human males. But this is misleading because (1) a decrease in sperm count has not been shown to have a negative effect on fertility, and (2) the sperm count returned to normal levels after marijuana use had ceased.

Claims that marijuana use may impair hormone production, menstrual cycles, or fertility in females are both unproven and unfounded.

The Immune System

Studies in which lab rats were injected with extremely large quantities of THC have found that marijuana (in such unrealistically huge quantities) does have an "immunosuppressive effect" in those lab rats, in that it temporarily shuts off certain cells in the liver called lymphocytes and macrophages. These macrophages are useful in fighting off bacterial, not viral, infections. But this is only for the duration of intoxication. There also exists some evidence that marijuana metabolites stay in the lungs for up to seven months after smoking has ceased, possibly affecting the immune system of the lungs (but not by turning the cells off). This said, doctors and researchers are still not sure that the immune system is actually negatively affected in realistic situations since there are no numbers to support the idea. In fact, three studies showed that THC may have actually stimulated the immune system in the people studied.

Birth Defects

Unlike alcohol, cocaine, and tobacco, studies show that there exists no evident link between prenatal use of marijuana and birth defects or fetal alcohol syndrome in humans. In fact, marijuana use during the third trimester has been found to have a positive impact on birthweight. It is known that Delta-9-THC does enter the placenta, so mothers are advised against consuming large quantities.

Cancer

Smoking marijuana has the potential to cause both bronchitis and cancer of the lungs, throat, and neck, but this is generally no different than inhaling any other burnt carbon-containing matter since they all increase the number of lesions (and therefore possible infections) in your airways. There are a couple of studies that claim on the basis of carcinogens that smoking marijuana is worse for your body than smoking a cigarette, but these are rather simplified. There are actually some very convincing reasons to believe that smoking cigarettes is relatively more dangerous to the body than smoking marijuana on more than one count: (1) It is accepted by a growing number of scientists today that all American cigarettes contain significant levels of polonium-210, the same sort of radiation given off by the plutonium of atom bombs (ionizing alpha radiation). It just so happens that the tobacco plant's roots and leaves are especially good at absorbing radioactive elements from uranium-containing phosphate fertilizers that are required by U.S. law, and from naturally occurring radiation in the soil, air, and water. It is the opinion of C. Everette Koop that this radioactivity, not tar, accounts for at least 90% of all smoking-related lung cancer. Other estimates that have been made are, about 50% according to Dr. Joseph R. DiFranza of the Univ. of Mass. Medical Center and according to Dr. Edward Martell, a radiochemist with the National Center for Atmospheric Research, 95%. Dr. R.T. Ravenholt, former director of World Health Surveys at the Centers for Disease Control, agrees with the risk, asserting that "Americans are exposed to far more radiation from tobacco smoke than from any other source". Supporting the radioactivity notion is the finding that (a) Relatively high levels of polonium-210 have been found in both cigarette smoke and the lungs of both smokers and nonsmokers alike [60]; (b) Smokers of low-tar-and-nicotine cigarettes die of lung cancer just as much as smokers of other cigarettes; and also, (c) Even the most potent carcinogen that has been found in cigarettes, benzopyrene, is only present in quantities sufficient to account for about 1% of the lung cancer cases that occur from smoking.

Why don't you know any of this?

Because the tobacco industry is suppressing the information. (2) Tobacco smoke is theorized to work as a kind of "magnet" for airborne radioactive particles such as radon, causing them to deposit in your lungs instead of on walls, rugs, or draperies. (3) Tobacco, unlike marijuana, contains nicotine, which may harden arteries and cause many of the cases of heart disease associated with tobacco use. It also breaks down into cancer-promoting chemicals called N Nitrosamines when burned, and perhaps even when it is inside the body. (4) THC is a bronchial dilator, which means it works like a cough drop by opening up your lungs and therefore aiding in the clearance of smoke and dirt. Nicotine has the exact opposite effect. (5) Unlike the chemicals in marijuana, nicotine has a paralyzing effect on the tiny hairs along the body's air passages. These hairs normally work to keep foreign matter out of the lungs. This means that carcinogenic tar from cigarette smoke is relatively much harder to purge from your lungs than is that from marijuana. And finally, (6) Marijuana users smoke significantly less than cigarette smokers do because of both marijuana's psychoactive properties (this is called "auto-titration") and nicotine's high potential for physical addiction. It is important to note that the NCTR study found no signs of lung cancer in its autopsied rhesus monkeys who had smoked marijuana for one year.

Smoking cigarettes and smoking marijuana negatively affect different areas of the body, and therefore cause different problems. But everything considered, marijuana-only smokers who average 3 - 4 joints per day show similar symptoms to cigarette smokers who polish off 20 in a day. Although one well-done study tells us that frequent marijuana smokers have a 19% greater risk of respiratory diseases than people who smoke nothing at all [66], it seems that neck and throat cancers are much more likely to result than lung cancer or emphysema. This is because, unlike tobacco, marijuana does not penetrate deeply into the lung. In order to minimize the risk of acquiring neck or throat cancer from marijuana smoke, it is best to (1) avoid as much as possible cigarette-smoking and heavy drinking while smoking marijuana, and (2) eat plenty of vegetables (such as carrots, broccoli, squash, and sprouts) or vitamin supplements of beta carotene, vitamins A, C and E, and selenium. These are believed to impede cancer's progress.

In addition, there are actually things that can be done to reduce and even entirely eliminate the bodily harm that may potentially result from smoking marijuana. This is possible because all of the principle psychoactive ingredients of marijuana (THC and the cannabinoids) are neither mutagenic (gene-mutating) nor carcinogenic (cancer-causing).

Legalizing marijuana would make (better) water bongs and marijuana foods, drinks, and pills both less expensive and more accessible. Smoking marijuana through a water-filled bong will cool the smoke and there is reason to believe that it will filter some of the carcinogens. Eating or drinking marijuana effectively eliminates all negative effects. In addition, it is conceivable that an aerosol contraption or vaporizer, commonly called a tilt pipe, could easily be constructed that would surpass joints in efficiency, match them in onset and control of effects, and yet would be effectively harmless to the body.

Fat Cells

One of the more ridiculous myths being circulated is that marijuana stays in your fat cells and can keep you high for months. Even though they may have similar names, the psychoactive THC (Delta-9-THC) is different from the metabolites (for instance, 11-OH-THC and 11-nor) that your body breaks it down into in that the latter will not get you stoned. It is the metabolites that stay in your fatty cells and show up on drug tests. Your body is depleted of Delta-9-THC only hours after ingestion.


Driving

Driving in any inebriated state is adding complication to what already amounts to a constant life-threatening situation. That said, the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA) summarized all of its studies by saying that there was "no indication that marijuana by itself was a cause of fatal accidents," and that alcohol was by far the "dominant problem" in drug-related accidents. The Victorian Institute of Forensic Pathology and Monash University's Department of Forensic Medicine in Melbourne, Australia have found that drivers who use cannabis are actually less likely to cause fatal accidents than drug-free drivers, and are no more likely than other drivers to be killed or seriously injured in road accidents. One experiment tested marijuana-intoxicated drivers on both a closed course and on a crowded city street. It found that the elements of driving most affected were concentration and judgment. An experiment involving a driving simulator that tested actual driving ability according to how many mistakes are incurred by sober, drunk, and high subjects found that marijuana, unlike alcohol, does not significantly affect driving ability. It was found that these results hold true for even higher doses (within reason) and inexperienced marijuana users. In fact, the only significant difference reported by the stoned subjects was an altered perception of time, which effectively made them drive relatively slower. A similar study found that marijuana additionally impairs the driver's ability to attend to peripheral stimuli. One theory attempting to explain these surprising findings states that marijuana users, in instances requiring seriousness, are in fact able to willingly "bring themselves down," such that they are no longer high. Studies that in the past have shown that marjuana-intoxicated drivers cause significantly more accidents than sober drivers are typically unreliable on one or more of the following counts: (1) They use drug tests to determine whether or not a person is high, and drug tests in use only indicate use over the past 30 days; (2) Some studies have not corrected for alcohol use, or do not provide a control group; and (3) In many studies there were relatively more stoned drivers killed, but it was not their fault. And when the police "culpability scores" were tallied and factored in, marijuana was generally not to blame for the accidents. It must be emphasized however that one study shows that daily marijuana smokers tend to have a 30% higher risk of injuries than non-users [66]. In fact, accidents resulting from intoxication are thought to be "the number one hazard of marijuana use".

The Gateway Effect

Marijuana use has not been found to act as a gateway drug to the use of harder drugs. Studies show that when the Dutch partially legalized marijuana in the 70's, heroin and cocaine use substantially declined, despite a slight increase in marijuana use. If the stepping stone theory were true, use should have gone up rather than down. In reality, it appears that marijuana use tends to substitute for the use of relatively more dangerous hard drugs like cocaine and heroin, rather than lead to their use. Thus, oftentimes strict marijuana laws themselves are the most significant factor involved in moving on to harder drugs like cocaine. Such is the case in Nevada and Arizona, the states toughest on marijuana use. A recent study by Columbia University's Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse attempts to show, like many past studies have, that marijuana users are more likely to use heroin or cocaine. But what the study actually does show is that a large number of heroin or cocaine users have used marijuana, not the reverse. What is not mentioned is that just as many or even more had probably also drank alcohol, smoked cigarettes, had sex, or eaten sandwiches prior to their hard drug use. In fact, a National High School survey tells us that in 1990, 40.7% of all high school students had tried marijuana or hashish at least once, whereas only 9.4% and 1.3% had ever used cocaine and heroin, respectively. Thus, at maximum, only 23% of marijuana users go on to use cocaine, and only 3% go on to use heroin. Thus, the stepping stone theory fails on even empirical grounds.

Marijuana and Crime

DARE literature would have you believe that there exists a strong correlation between marijuana use and juvenile and young adult crime. And a recent study attempts to present a link between marijuana use and violence by stating that 2/3 of all students who admit to taking a gun to school at least once had smoked marijuana. In fact, DEA head Thomas Constantine recently stated in a Washington Times interview that "Many times people talk about the nonviolent drug offender. That is a rare species. There is not some sterile drug type not involved in violence who is contributing some good to the community; that is ridiculous. They are contributing nothing but evil." But these allegations are unsupported by research because test results show that changes in personality resulting from marijuana use, even though they are not relatively significant, include among other things a lessening of aggressive trends. And large population studies such as the La Guardia report have found that, if anything, marijuana use inhibits antisocial activity such as violence. The drug-inspired violence myth, including a comprehensive history of its conception, is discussed at great length in Lester Grinspoon's book, where it is shown to be based largely on a distorted Persian story that is hundreds of years old. The problem inherent in drawing conclusions based on correlations such as the 2/3 statistic above is that causality cannot be inferred from correlation. In other words, there is no way of determining whether marijuana use contributed in some way to the existence of certain traits of marijuana users, i.e. bringing a gun to school, or, as seems entirely more likely, people with such traits are drawn to marijuana use. One study found that chronic marijuana users had significantly higher WAIS IQ scores (113.08) than both moderate users (102.15) and nonusers (103.26). It is simply impossible to make sense of such statistics as presented.

[j0natell0]

ive always believed in maryjane :)

thats the only girl ill let the homies hit :boobies:

[r_Senik]

ive always believed in maryjane :)

thats the only girl ill let the homies hit :boobies:
:lmfao:so true

[TheGrillMan]

harmless plug







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[Kyle]

yes weed should be legal, it isn't harmful, it just causes people to be lazy and overeat, and smell bad.

i hate those anti weed ad's 99% of them make no valid points.

and for the song reference(guess it and get reps +10 or something)

girl i love you mary jane what would i do...fall without the herb.

[d1esel12]

i hope one day marijuana will become legal.. did anyone watch that special on Nat. Geo last night about marijuana? it was quite interesting and got damn there was soooo much weed!! i <3 my "bud"dy ;)

[stephanie]

I quit smoking. Mainly for legal/health/job issues

[Sport1.3]

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[Ran]

Nobody cares, potheads are dumb, and it's still illegal. Boo hoo.

Moving on...

[Tracy]

Marajuana was banned because of DuPont the largest textile company of the time and Cannibus had the potential to encroach on their money. They used the name Marijuana because it was a Mexican word for the plant, which of course, made it a bad thing.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_culture11.shtml

The debate over the legalization of Cannabis Sativa, more commonly known as marijuana, has been one of the most heated controversies ever to occur in the Inited States. Its use as a medicine has existed for thousands of years in many countries world wide and "can be documented as far back as 2700 BC in ancient Chinese writings." When someone says bhanga, ganja, kinnub, cannabis, bung, chu ts-ao, asa, dope, grass, rasta, or weed, they are talking about the same subject: marijuana. Marijuana should be legalized because the government could earn money from taxes on its sale, its value to the medical world outweighs its abuse potential, and because of its importance to the paper and clothing industries. This action should be taken despite efforts made by groups which say marijuana is a harmful drug which will increase crime rates and lead users to other more dangerous substances.

The actual story behind the legislature passed against marijuana is quite surprising. According to Jack Herer, author of The Emperor Wears No Clothes and an expert on the "hemp conspiracy," the acts bringing about the demise of hemp were part of a large conspiracy involving DuPont, Harry J. Anslinger, commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, and many other influential industrial leaders such as William Randolph Hearst and Andrew Mellon. Herer notes that the Marijuana Tax Act, which passed in 1937, coincidentally occurred just as the decoricator machine was invented. With this invention, hemp would have been able to take over competing industries almost instantaneously. According to Popular Mechanics, "10,000 acres devoted to hemp will produce as much paper as 40,000 acres of average [forest] pulp land." William Hearst owned enormous timber acreage, land best suited for conventional pulp, so his interest in preventing the growth of hemp can be easily explained. Competition from hemp would have easily driven the Hearst paper-manufacturing company out of business and significantly lowered the value of his land. Herer even suggests popularizing the term "marijuana" was a strategy Hearst used in order to create fear in the American public. "The first step in creating hysteria was to introduce the element of fear of the unknown by using a word that no one had ever heard of before... 'marijuana'" (ibid).

DuPont's involvment in the anti-hemp campaign can also be explained with great ease. At this time, DuPont was patenting a new sulfuric acid process for producing wood-pulp paper. "According to the company's own records, wood-pulp products ultimately accounted for more than 80% of all DuPont's railroad car loadings for the next 50 years" (ibid). Indeed it should be noted that "two years before the prohibitive hemp tax in 1937, DuPont developed a new synthetic fiber, nylon, which was an ideal substitute for hemp rope" (Hartsell). The year after the tax was passed DuPont came out with rayon, which would have been unable to compete with the strength of hemp fiber or its economical process of manufacturing. "DuPont's point man was none other than Harry Anslinger...who was appointed to the FBN by Treasury Secretary Andrew MEllon, who was also chairman of the Mellon Bank, DuPont's chief financial backer. Anslinger's relationship to Mellon wasn't just political, he was also married to Mellon's niece" (Hartsell). It doesn't take much to draw a connection between DuPont, Anslinger, and Mellon, and it's obvious that all of these groups, including Hearst, had strong motivation to prevent the growth of the hemp industry.

The reasoning behind DuPont, Anslinger, and Hearst was not for any moral or health related issues. They fought to prevent the growth of this new industry so they wouldn't go bankrupt. In fact, the American Medical Association tried to argue for the medical benefits of hemp. Marijuana is actually less dangerous than alcohol, cigarettes, and even most over-the-counter medicines or prescriptions. According to Francis J. Young, the DEA's administrative judge, "nearly all medicines have toxicm, potentially letal affects, but marijuana is not such a substance...Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within a supervised routine of medical care" (DEA Docket No. 86-22, 57). It is illogical then, for marijuana to be illegal in the United States when "alcohol poisoning is a significant cause of death in this country" and "approximately 400,000 premature deaths are attributed to cigarettes annually." Dr. Roger Pertwee, SEcretary of the International Cannabis Research Society states that as a recreational drug, "Marijuana compares favourably to nicotine, alcohol, and even caffeine." Under extreme amounts of alcohol a person will experience an "inability to stand or walk without help, stupor and near unconsciousness, lack of comprehension of what is seen or heard, shock, and breathing and heartbeat may stop." Even though these effects occur only under insane amounts of alcohol consumption, (.2-.5 BAL) the fact is smoking extreme amounts of marijuana will do nothing more than put you to sleep, whereas drinking excessive amounts of alcohol will kill you.

The most profound activist for marijuana's use as a medicine is Dr. Lester Grinspoon, author of Marihuana: The Forbidden Medicine. According to Grinspoon, "The only well-confirmed negative effect of marijuana is caused by the smoke, which contains three times more tars and five times more carbon monoxide than tobacco. But even the heaviest marijuana smokers rarely use as much as an average tobacco smoker. And, of course, many prefer to eat it." His book includes personal accounts of how prescribed marijuana alleviated epilepsy, weight loss of aids, nausea of chemotherapy, menstrual pains, and the severe effects of multiple sclerosis. The illness with the most documentation and harmony among doctors which marijuana has successfully treated is MS. Grinspoon believes for MS sufferers, "Cannabis is the drug of necessity." One patient of his, 51 year old Elizabeth MacRory, says "It has completely changed my life...It has helped with muscle spasms, allowed me to sleep properly, and helped control my bladder." Marijuana also proved to be effective in the treatment of glaucoma because its use lwoers pressure on the eye.

"In a recent survey at a leading teaching hospital, 'over 60 per cent of medical students were found to be marijuana users.' In the same survey, only 30 per cent admitted to smoking cigarettes" (Guardian). Brian Hilliard, editor of Police Review, says "Legalizing cannabis wouldn't do any harm to anybody. We should be concentrating on the serious business of heroin and amphetamines." "In the UK in 1991, 42,209 people were convicted of marijuana charges, clogging courts and overcrowding prisons...and almost 90 per cent of drug offences invlove cannabis...The British government spends 500 million pounds a year on "overall responses to drugs" but receives no tax revenue from the estimated 1.8 billion pound illicit drug market" (Guardian). Figures like this can be seen in the United States as well. The U.S. spends billions of dollars annually in its "war on drugs." If the government were to legalize marijuana, it could reasonably place high taxes on it because people are used to buying marijuana at inflated prices created by risks of selling illegally. It could be sold at a convenient store just like a pack of cigarettes for less than someone would pay now, but still yield a high profit because of easy growing requirements.

An entire industry could be created out of hemp based products. The oils extracted from seeds could be used for fuels and the hemp fiber, a fiber so valued for its strength that it is used to judge the quality of other fibers, could be manufactured into ropes, clothing, or paper. Most importantly, the money the government would make from taxes and the money which would be saved by not trying to prevent its use could be used for more important things, such as serious drugs or the national debt.

The recreational use of marijuana would not stimulate crime like some would argue. The crime rate in Amsterdam is lower than many major U.S. cities. Mario Lap, a key drug policy advisor in the Netherlands national government says "We've had a realistic drug policy for 30 years in the Netherlands, and we know what works. We distinguish between soft and hard drugs, between traffickers and users. We try not to make people into criminals" (Houston Chronicle). In 1989 the LAncet report states "The Dutch have shown that there is nothing inevitable about the drugs ladder in which soft drugs lead to heard drugs. The ladder does not exist in Holland because the dealers have been separated."

We can expect strong opposition from companies like DuPont and paper manufacturerss but the selfishness of these corporations should not prevent its use in our society like it did in the 1930's. Regardless of what these organizations will say about marijuana, the fact is it has the potential to become one of the most useful substances in the entire world. If we took action and our government legalized it today, we would immediately see benefits from this decision. People suffering from illnesses ranging from manic depression to multiple sclerosis would be able to experience relief, the government could make a fortune off of the taxes it could impose on its sale, and its implementation into the industrial world would create thousands of new jobs for the economy. Also, because of its role in paper making, the rain forests of South America could be saved from their current fate. No recorded deaths have ever occurred as a result of marijuana use, it is not physically addictive like alcohol or tobacco, and most doctors will agree it is safer to use.

[Tracy]

Nobody cares, potheads are dumb, and it's still illegal. Boo hoo.

Moving on...

Anal sex and fellatio are illegal here in GA. Have you ever had your dick sucked?

Also: All sex toys are banned. Donkeys may not be kept in bathtubs. All citizens must own a rake. Selling two beers at once for the same price is not allowed. Persons under the age of 16 may not play pinball after 11:00 PM. One man may not be on another man’s back. Cussing over the telephone is against the law.

[Ran]

Anal sex and fellatio are illegal here in GA. Have you ever had your dick sucked?Spitting in public is illegal in Florida, what's your point? Sorry, but I feel about as much compassion for potheads as I do for alchoholics. Which is none.

Have fun dodging the police.

[Tracy]

Spitting in public is illegal in Florida, what's your point? Sorry, but I feel about as much compassion for potheads as I do for alchoholics. Which is none.

Have fun dodging the police.

I don't have to worry about dodging the police :) I also didn't ask you about compassion for anyone. I asked if you ever had your dick sucked :)

[Tracy]

My point is that there a lot of things that are illegal and people still do them, so saying it is illegal is the weakest argument you could have chosen :)

[Ran]

I don't have to worry about dodging the police :) I also didn't ask you about compassion for anyone. I asked if you ever had your dick sucked :)Sure, and I've no problems with it. Just as some idiotic dope smoker has no problems with smoking himself stupid. We're all entitled to opinions and outlooks and that's mine.


My point is that there a lot of things that are illegal and people still do them, so saying it is illegal is the weakest argument you could have chosen :)It's not an argument. It's a statement. Report me for having my d*ck sucked and report Dopey Joe for smoking pot to the same cop. Go see who he arrests.

[Tracy]

Sure, and I've no problems with it. Just as some idiotic dope smoker has no problems with smoking himself stupid. We're all entitled to opinions and outlooks and that's mine.

I agree on opinions.

Hopefully getting your dick sucked doesn't make you stupid. I mean that's why it's illegal, right? I guess alcohol doesn't make you stupid and that's why it's NOT illegal. :???:

We learned about the DuPont conspiracy in ethics class or some class. I am old, I forgot. It was pretty interesting and that's why I am posting on the subject. I'll stop though. I forget that no one here likes to actually have intelligent discussion. It's more fun to post about age of consent and what I had for dinner last night :D

[Ran]

Hopefully getting your dick sucked doesn't make you stupid. I mean that's why it's illegal, right? I guess alcohol doesn't make you stupid and that's why it's NOT illegal. :???:I don't know the reasons why fellacio is illegal nor do I care. I do, however, feel that both cigarettes and alchohol should have heavier laws placed upon them.


We learned about the DuPont conspiracy in ethics class or some class. I am old, I forgot. It was pretty interesting and that's why I am posting on the subject. I'll stop though. I forget that no one here likes to actually have intelligent discussion. It's more fun to post about age of consent and what I had for dinner last night :DI've read a little on the DuPont thing and I've nothing against the hemp plant being used a economical resource. I just find it funny how about every month it's some other pophead crying about his precious drug being illegal.

[Tracy]

I don't know the reasons why fellacio is illegal nor do I care. I do, however, feel that both cigarettes and alchohol should have heavier laws placed upon them.

Then why bring up the illegal aspect if you don't care why or why things are not illegal. That's all I'm saying. It's a weak point, statement or argument. That's all.


I've read a little on the DuPont thing and I've nothing against the hemp plant being used a economical resource. I just find it funny how about every month it's some other pophead crying about his precious drug being illegal.

And that's what I posted and why I posted it. It's not illegal because it makes you stupid, although it may or may not. I'm no doctor so I can't say. It's illegal because of large corporation conspiracy...so they say. The gov't can trick you into thinking lots of things that aren't true.


Who cried about anything in this thread? I guess I missed it :???:

[Ran]

Then why bring up the illegal aspect if you don't care why or why things are not illegal. That's all I'm saying. It's a weak point, statement or argument. That's all.Um...it's illegal. That's the way it is and that's why I said it. :thinking:


Who cried about anything in this thread? I guess I missed it :???:The OP. These threads are all the same no matter how they're worded. Pot should be legal for this, legalize mary jane for that, ect... These guys don't give two sh*ts about it's economical uses.

[Tracy]

Um...it's illegal. That's the way it is and that's why I said it. :thinking:


But then you don't care why fellatio is illegal....because you have probably had your dick sucked at some point or another??? Illegal is illegal. Oh, I get it. You don't whine about fellatio being illegal, you just go ahead and get your dick sucked and hope you never get caught, so that makes it ok to do it. AND you aren't stupid, because it has been proved that getting your dick sucked doesn't make you stupid. I am really catching on now. If you whine about it, being illegal matters more then. My bad. I was way off base.

It looks to me that all the OP said is that these are the myths and if by now you are still in the dark then you are being ignorant...not in so many words. I didn't see him whine. He simply posted "facts". Not only that, but he never mentioned smoking it. Nor did anyone else in this thread besides the one person who said he quit.

[Ran]

But then you don't care why fellatio is illegal....because you have probably had your dick sucked at some point or another??? Illegal is illegal. Oh, I get it. You don't whine about fellatio being illegal, you just go ahead and get your dick sucked and hope you never get caught, so that makes it ok to do it. AND you aren't stupid, because it has been proved that getting your dick sucked doesn't make you stupid. I am really catching on now. If you whine about it, being illegal matters more then. My bad. I was way off base.You haven't followed my posts at all Tracy. I realize that fellatio is illegal just as any dopehead realizes that pot is illegal. Do we do what we do inspite of that? Of course we do. But you don't see my making threads complaining about it all the time. I don't care about potheads and quite frankly I'll laugh at any given time that one of them gets arrested for it. I'd no problems if they decided to laugh at my expense if I got busted for fellatio. Turn about is fair play.


It looks to me that all the OP said is that these are the myths and if by now you are still in the dark then you are being ignorant...not in so many words. I didn't see him whine. He simply posted "facts". Not only that, but he never mentioned smoking it. Nor did anyone else in this thread besides the one person who said he quit.He can post whatever facts, myths, or whatever he wants. The purpose behind the post is apparent. I'm well aware that cigs and alcohol are more lethal than pot. Do I care? Not really since, like I said, I think they should all have heavy laws against them. I don't support any of them actually. We don't need a new thread about this every month though. :rolleyes:

You've taken me posting my opinion on the subject and dragged it out into this self-righteous crusade. Relax a bit.

[Tracy]

You haven't followed my posts at all Tracy. I realize that fellatio is illegal just as any dopehead realizes that pot is illegal. Do we do what we do inspite of that? Of course we do. But you don't see my making threads complaining about it all the time. I don't care about potheads and quite frankly I'll laugh at any given time that one of them gets arrested for it. I'd no problems if they decided to laugh at my expense if I got busted for fellatio. Turn about is fair play.

He can post whatever facts, myths, or whatever he wants. The purpose behind the post is apparent. I'm well aware that cigs and alcohol are more lethal than pot. Do I care? Not really since, like I said, I think they should all have heavy laws against them. I don't support any of them actually. We don't need a new thread about this every month though. :rolleyes:

You've taken me posting my opinion on the subject and dragged it out into this self-righteous crusade. Relax a bit.


Self-righteous crusade. WOW! That's deep. I'm really just bored and having a discussion/debate...so I thought. I had no idea it was this serious and this deep and so self-righteous!!!!! I guess I'll just go back to mindless posting about what I am having for lunch today. That definitely can't be construed as self-righteous.

[Ran]

Self-righteous crusade. WOW! That's deep. I'm really just bored and having a discussion/debate...so I thought. I had no idea it was this serious and this deep and so self-righteous!!!!! I guess I'll just go back to mindless posting about what I am having for lunch today. That definitely can't be construed as self-righteous.Perhaps my wording was a bit strong there. Your post on the DuPont conspiracy was alright, but then you started to seemingly attack my opinion. That's not a debate. Also, debating over opinions is asanine and will serve no warrant in the end. To be honest, my initial post in this thread was made in spite because I'm tired of listening to these cry babies plead their case every month. If it gets legalized then they can smoke themselves retarded for all I care. In the meantime, I'm just tired of hearing about it. They should write their congressman or something.

P.S. - What your having for lunch only because self-righteous if you're a vegetarian protesting against meat eaters. Nice note in the WL by the way.

[Tracy]

Perhaps my wording was a bit strong there. Your post on the DuPont conspiracy was alright, but then you started to seemingly attack my opinion. That's not a debate. Also, debating over opinions is asanine and will serve no warrant in the end. To be honest, my initial post in this thread was made in spite because I'm tired of listening to these cry babies plead their case every month. If it gets legalized then they can smoke themselves retarded for all I care. In the meantime, I'm just tired of hearing about it. They should write their congressman or something.

P.S. - What your having for lunch only because self-righteous if you're a vegetarian protesting against meat eaters. :ninja:

Telling me how to post is a bit self-righteous, don't ya think? I didn't attack your opinions, I just was debating the logic behind them. That IS a debate. To me an attack would take it to a personal level. I had no intentions of doing that. I also think that you are a tad smarter than most of IA. I figured you could handle it and come back with some shit to put me in my place. I was wrong. You got butt hurt. For that I am sorry :)

[Ran]

Telling me how to post is a bit self-righteous, don't ya think? I didn't attack your opinions, I just was debating the logic behind them. That IS a debate. To me an attack would take it to a personal level. I had no intentions of doing that.I had no intention of telling you how to post, it simply seemed like you were going to a more personal level with it. If you weren't, then I apologize.


I also think that you are a tad smarter than most of IA. I figured you could handle it and come back with some shit to put me in my place. I was wrong. You got butt hurt. For that I am sorry :)Butt hurt? Nah. A little aggitated maybe. To be completely honest, these kinds of threads just tend to put me in a foul mood for some reason. I back my posts with my views and, while they may be a mere personal outlook on the situation, they are what they are. I feel that pot should remain a controlled substance but that it should also be exploited for it economical purposes. I feel the same way about tobacco and alcohol. Why? Because I consider them harmful substances and deem them worthy of controlling. Anyone could say the same thing about any number of things. Television, movies, video games, you know it. With this in mind, I'm willing to accept the fact that my own views are somewhat self-righteous and I'll admit that. Take from it what you will.

[Sport1.3]

Anal sex and fellatio are illegal here in GA. Have you ever had your dick sucked?



BREAK, BREAK, BREAK, BREAKING THE LAW!!!! :headbang:

[Catnip]

It's only illegal because it makes minorities act crazy and white women bump nasties with black dudes.

see.
http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html
it's on the internet, so it's tr00f.
amirite

[thecrazyone]

Ran,


I don't know the reasons why fellacio is illegal nor do I care. I do, however, feel that both cigarettes and alchohol should have heavier laws placed upon them.

I've read a little on the DuPont thing and I've nothing against the hemp plant being used a economical resource. I just find it funny how about every month it's some other pophead crying about his precious drug being illegal.

Quotes like these make me know your not a dummy, and have some input on this subject. Quotes like "smoking himself stupid" not so much.

and as far a a pothead crying about his precious drug, the only thing precious to me in this world is my family and friends. A plant that kills no one and never has is why i post these posts. I think in just about every thread i have started that states real facts, you have come in and bashed with a quick little one liner, I am not a pothead and i am not a criminal, i am an American that would like to use his freedom and pursuit of happiness, as far as my crying,lol, i want to let people like you know the facts.

FOR ANYONE INTERESTED....

A young man at UGA started the first chapter of Georgia NORML and already gave a proposition to city hall to have 7grams or less as a 100$ fine in Athens-Clarke county!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F18BfPziBo

EDIT: Ran is that a pothead crying about this problems?

No! it's a calm, collective and confident young man, taking responsible action toward his happiness.

[thecrazyone]

I allso have not seen you post 1 SOLID Fact for your argument.

If you would like to question any of mine feel free...

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[Ran]

i want to let people like you know the facts.That's all find and dandy, though I would have preferred there to be one organized thread for this type of discussion. I appreciate the info and I actually read your entire post. Most of it is the traditional spill but I'm willing to accept what is and what isn't. However, with that similar mindset I am willing to accept that marijuana is still illegal and will be for some time now. I accept and even support that for personal reasons. The law is the law and I, like most other people, abide by it if it seems reasonable and judge by the level of enforcement as well as severity of repercussions. As Tracy stated earlier, fellatio may be technically illegal in Georgia but the enforcement and severity of punishment is so relatively nill that it might as well not be a law at all. I'm sure that a lot of marijuana users feel the same way about smoking pot but, since it is a conflict of opinions, I find it difficult to agree. Feel free to label it as biased, ignorant, opinionated, double-standard, or what-not if you need to.

I also regret to inform you that, while your thread is informative in it's content, it tends to get watered down in my eyes due to consistent idiocy posted by other that express similar views with a less educated approach. Not to discredit your post in anyway, just calling it how I see it. I'll gladly retract my intial remark since it was tasteless, unprovoked, and unwarranted.

EDIT: Thanks for citing your sources. :goodjob:

[Xrated O.G.]

^^^^^ would that be considered an OWNED moment? J/K....




Is it 420 yet?

[steedley127]

I think mary jane is great... And if u dont think so,, maybe u should roll one up!!!

[Sport1.3]

make it legal, but apply both smoking and drinking laws to it. cannot be smoked in public places, restaurants, businesses, schools etc etc and aren’t allowed to operate a moving vehicle while under the influence of the plant....I would have no issue with that.

[Ran]

make it legal, but apply both smoking and drinking laws to it. cannot be smoked in public places, restaurants, businesses, schools etc etc and aren’t allowed to operate a moving vehicle while under the influence of the plant....I would have no issue with that.If, for whatever reason, it does get legalized then I would expect them to enforce these points at least.


I allso have not seen you post 1 SOLID Fact for your argument.I never came in here to dispute your facts. I merely expressed my opinion on the subject (inefficiently at first) and reinforced it with my views on similar subjects. I can probably do some searches and come up with some scientific report on the negative effects of marijuana but, in all honesty, I simply have no desire or drive to do so. I only wish to speak on personal experience of interacting with friends and relatives that I have watched tear themselves down for this apparently "unaddictive" drug.

Again, kudos to you for knowing your stuff. :cheers:

[xlivingfor1x]

WHOA WHOA WHOA!!! FLEATIO IS ILLEGAL??? :wtf: is that about

[thecrazyone]

That's all find and dandy, though I would have preferred there to be one organized thread for this type of discussion. I appreciate the info and I actually read your entire post. Most of it is the traditional spill but I'm willing to accept what is and what isn't. However, with that similar mindset I am willing to accept that marijuana is still illegal and will be for some time now. I accept and even support that for personal reasons. The law is the law and I, like most other people, abide by it if it seems reasonable and judge by the level of enforcement as well as severity of repercussions. As Tracy stated earlier, fellatio may be technically illegal in Georgia but the enforcement and severity of punishment is so relatively nill that it might as well not be a law at all. I'm sure that a lot of marijuana users feel the same way about smoking pot but, since it is a conflict of opinions, I find it difficult to agree. Feel free to label it as biased, ignorant, opinionated, double-standard, or what-not if you need to.

I also regret to inform you that, while your thread is informative in it's content, it tends to get watered down in my eyes due to consistent idiocy posted by other that express similar views with a less educated approach. Not to discredit your post in anyway, just calling it how I see it. I'll gladly retract my intial remark since it was tasteless, unprovoked, and unwarranted.

EDIT: Thanks for citing your sources. :goodjob:

I appreciate your input, and yes we are on very different sides of the fence, im sure there is some type of median we could both reside comfortable on. I added a video to the previous post and it is things like what that guy is doing that will resolve the age old difference in views towards legalization.

I also accept that the law prohibits me from use, but also i am probably 1 of the 1000's of people in GA who could use medical marijuana TODAY.

[Ran]

WHOA WHOA WHOA!!! FLEATIO IS ILLEGAL??? :wtf: is that aboutThere are a lot of strange things illegal in various states.

[xlivingfor1x]

There are a lot of strange things illegal in various states.

thats just wrong. what happens if i get caught

[Ran]

I appreciate your input, and yes we are on very different sides of the fence, im sure there is some type of median we could both reside comfortable on.My only stance on the subject is that it's illegal and, again from simple personal experience, should remain so. If it were legalized and efficiently worked into society with reasonable restrictions on use (see Sport1.3's post) then I'd have no real complaints. I'm kind of weird when it comes to these things and am full of double-standards. Bare with me.


thats just wrong. what happens if i get caughtMost likely nothing.

[Sport1.3]

I have no issue with ppl smoking it, until i have to smell it.

[Sport1.3]

thats just wrong. what happens if i get caught


Mandatory Highfives

[thecrazyone]

Hey Ran, i'm not trying to be pushy but i thought i might show you this(and anyone else reading this)

http://www.420magazine.com/forums/cannabis-facts-information/

a website filled to the brim with people who enjoy Marijuana, more intellectual and well thought out conversations than you would think.

[The Ninja]

make it legal, but apply both smoking and drinking laws to it. cannot be smoked in public places, restaurants, businesses, schools etc etc and aren’t allowed to operate a moving vehicle while under the influence of the plant....I would have no issue with that.

I have an issue with that, if studies have proven that being under the influence of the plant actually make it LESS likely to have a fatal accident than a drug-free driver, why would you make it illegal to drive under the influence of the plant?

It should be legal, or at least decriminalized. They're well on their way to doing this in Michigan, and I believe the Northeast as well as the West will be the first to at least decriminalize it. The bible-thumping south will of course be the last.

@Ran:

Though I do understand where you're coming from when it comes to being annoyed by a multitude of these kinds of threads being posted, view it the same as any other activist. The way some post about lost ones, others post about breast cancer, or some post about what they're having to eat for lunch, he posts about legalizing something that really should be legal and is illegal for incredibly retarded reasons. We aren't potheads crying about our precious plant being illegal, we're citizens wanting to exercise our personal rights without infringing on another's without endangering our career or personal life.

Not only do I think the plant should be legalized, but I believe that tobacco and alcohol companies should be punished for suppressing facts and promoting myths about the drug. That is where the true problem lies, large companies using their power/money to "protect" their market. Thats such bullshit. The same way automakers don't design cars to last very long, the same way tobacco companies put nicotine in cigarettes, the same way mods delete/edit posts so that certain posters are discredited. The shit ain't right, and by posting on these forums and raising awareness we are on the way to righting certain wrongs.

Don't take this the wrong way, because you're my homie and all, but if you don't like what the thread topic is just stay out of it. Its not like he decieved you with "Loli Pics 1 CLick away" type of title.

Legalize it, and the growth and distribution of it.

[quickdodge®]

Spitting in public is illegal in Florida, what's your point? Sorry, but I feel about as much compassion for potheads as I do for alchoholics. Which is none.

Have fun dodging the police.

I actually repped you. Positively. Later, QD.

[Sport1.3]

I have an issue with that, if studies have proven that being under the influence of the plant actually make it LESS likely to have a fatal accident than a drug-free driver, why would you make it illegal to drive under the influence of the plant?

It should be legal, or at least decriminalized. They're well on their way to doing this in Michigan, and I believe the Northeast as well as the West will be the first to at least decriminalize it. The bible-thumping south will of course be the last.
.


what study was this and where was it done? Being less likely to be involved in a fatal accident and being a responsible/safe driver are 2 completely different things. Yeah sure its gonna be less fatal when i'm doing 16 mph in the far right lane on 75 :rolleyes:

[thecrazyone]

I actually repped you. Positively. Later, QD.

still going with opinions over facts huh?

[Ran]

I have an issue with that, if studies have proven that being under the influence of the plant actually make it LESS likely to have a fatal accident than a drug-free driver, why would you make it illegal to drive under the influence of the plant?I'm willing to believe, without looking up the research, that this is due to the relaxed influence that pot gives a person. Similarly to how a drunk driver is more likely to survive an accident than someone sober. The user lacks the proper reflex to brace for impact which traditionally leads to more injury. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.


Though I do understand where you're coming from when it comes to being annoyed by a multitude of these kinds of threads being posted, view it the same as any other activist. The way some post about lost ones, others post about breast cancer, or some post about what they're having to eat for lunch, he posts about legalizing something that really should be legal and is illegal for incredibly retarded reasons. We aren't potheads crying about our precious plant being illegal, we're citizens wanting to exercise our personal rights without infringing on another's without endangering our career or personal life.I realize that this thread is a lot better than a number of the other asanine threads regarding pot and "OMG 4/20!", I just came off a bit rash due to spite.


Not only do I think the plant should be legalized, but I believe that tobacco and alcohol companies should be punished for suppressing facts and promoting myths about the drug. That is where the true problem lies, large companies using their power/money to "protect" their market. Thats such bullshit. The same way automakers don't design cars to last very long, the same way tobacco companies put nicotine in cigarettes, the same way mods delete/edit posts so that certain posters are discredited. The shit ain't right, and by posting on these forums and raising awareness we are on the way to righting certain wrongs.On the premise of this section, I'm all for punishing corrupt business practices.


Don't take this the wrong way, because you're my homie and all, but if you don't like what the thread topic is just stay out of it. Its not like he decieved you with "Loli Pics 1 CLick away" type of title.As often as I give out that advice, you'd think I'd be able to do it myself. :doh:

[quickdodge®]

still going with opinions over facts huh?

Still haven't read my posts on this subject yet, huh? Later, QD.

[90_ACCORD]

you must have a really sad life if you have to keep smoking something just so you can have some fun and yeah theres no point in fighting for it to be legal because for the people who smoke it its not going to matter if it is legal or not. They are going to smoke either way. Unless you grow your own you are basically wasting your money. Paying a lot of money just for a little pot is dumb as hell. Most of my friends smoke or have smoked at one point and they just looked stupid to me for doin it. And for all those people who say it is not bad how come a lot of people go to rehab for it? If its not bad then they should be able to control it and have no problem. Looks like you have one if your in rehab. And this might just be me but all the people i know that smoke really are dumb as fuck and i mean dumb as in not book smart.

[The Ninja]

what study was this and where was it done? Being less likely to be involved in a fatal accident and being a responsible/safe driver are 2 completely different things. Yeah sure its gonna be less fatal when i'm doing 16 mph in the far right lane on 75


I'm willing to believe, without looking up the research, that this is due to the relaxed influence that pot gives a person. Similarly to how a drunk driver is more likely to survive an accident than someone sober. The user lacks the proper reflex to brace for impact which traditionally leads to more injury. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.


You both apparently didn't read the "wall-o-text". I had nothing better to do, so I did read it. It was even in bold, c'mon guys.


The Victorian Institute of Forensic Pathology and Monash University's Department of Forensic Medicine in Melbourne, Australia have found that drivers who use cannabis are actually less likely to cause fatal accidents than drug-free drivers, and are no more likely than other drivers to be killed or seriously injured in road accidents. One experiment tested marijuana-intoxicated drivers on both a closed course and on a crowded city street. It found that the elements of driving most affected were concentration and judgment. An experiment involving a driving simulator that tested actual driving ability according to how many mistakes are incurred by sober, drunk, and high subjects found that marijuana, unlike alcohol, does not significantly affect driving ability. It was found that these results hold true for even higher doses (within reason) and inexperienced marijuana users. In fact, the only significant difference reported by the stoned subjects was an altered perception of time, which effectively made them drive relatively slower.

[Tracy]

you must have a really sad life if you have to keep smoking something just so you can have some fun and yeah theres no point in fighting for it to be legal because for the people who smoke it its not going to matter if it is legal or not. They are going to smoke either way. Unless you grow your own you are basically wasting your money. Paying a lot of money just for a little pot is dumb as hell. Most of my friends smoke or have smoked at one point and they just looked stupid to me for doin it. And for all those people who say it is not bad how come a lot of people go to rehab for it? If its not bad then they should be able to control it and have no problem. Looks like you have one if your in rehab. And this might just be me but all the people i know that smoke really are dumb as fuck and i mean dumb as in not book smart.

Now that's book smarts for ya.

[The Ninja]

you must have a really sad life if you have to keep smoking something just so you can have some fun and yeah theres no point in fighting for it to be legal because for the people who smoke it its not going to matter if it is legal or not. They are going to smoke either way. Unless you grow your own you are basically wasting your money. Paying a lot of money just for a little pot is dumb as hell. Most of my friends smoke or have smoked at one point and they just looked stupid to me for doin it. And for all those people who say it is not bad how come a lot of people go to rehab for it? If its not bad then they should be able to control it and have no problem. Looks like you have one if your in rehab. And this might just be me but all the people i know that smoke really are dumb as fuck and i mean dumb as in not book smart.

Lmao, apply your same argument to alcohol.

1) People are fucking retarded when they are inebriated.
2a) Alcohol ain't cheap, unless its shitty alcohol (Natural Ice), but even mids are better than that. For the $12 you spend on a 12pack of natty ice or w/e you can buy yourself a dime and roll 2 blunts and be straight.
2b) How much is a handle of Crown Royal? Grey Goose? Fuck that, how much is a bottle of Cristal??? Compare that to an 1/8th of Northern Lights? How about Purp? What about Dank? Hell even Beasties??? Weed is cheaper for the thrill.
3) Those people who go to rehab had pre-existing conditions, do you know what they teach you in rehab? Have you been? Its not because of weed they go, they go because of not knowing how to deal with problems. Rehab basically teaches you "coping mechanisms".

How come people don't go to rehab when they want to quit smoking cigarettes but truly can't???????

[xlivingfor1x]

Mandatory Highfives

:lmao:

[The Ninja]

Also, not everyone smokes weed to have "fun". Some people smoke it because it just feels good, and/or helps them relax.

Get home from a long hard day at work. Roll a blunt, sit on your couch and watch the game.

[GTScoob]

And for all those people who say it is not bad how come a lot of people go to rehab for it? If its not bad then they should be able to control it and have no problem. Looks like you have one if your in rehab. And this might just be me but all the people i know that smoke really are dumb as fuck and i mean dumb as in not book smart.


Have you ever sucked a dick for WEED?

If you're in rehab for weed, god help you if you ever break a bone and get put on any sort of LEGAL painkiller.

The government should be a lot less worried at weed and focus more of an effort on controlling prescription drugs like Oxycontin, Aderal, Vyvans, Percosets, etc. They're either pure synthetic opiates (IE heroin) or pure synthetic amphetamines (IE meth) and are rapidly becoming much more popular than weed. Or step up stopping the trafficking of harmful drugs like cocaine and heroin that do have legitimate ties to international terror.

I'm surprised that the argument of the increased potency of weed these days hasnt come up because thats a big one that the lawmakers bring up. I'm also surprised that the tobacco industries have not noticed their mortality and tried to legalize pot due to the increased anti-smoking legislation. They already have the existing infrastructure for manufacturing and distribution of cigarettes, regardless of what is rolled up inside.

I heard from a friend last night that Amsterdam will be going dry in 2010, so all of you smokers, get over there beforehand. But dont worry, the Cannabis Cup is already planning to move to an underground facility in California :bump:

[Tracy]

http://jalopnik.com/5105969/one-ton-of-ganja-found-in-fake-ups-truck

[GTScoob]

And who the hell smokes anymore? Sell your bongs and get a Volcano.

[90_ACCORD]

Lmao, apply your same argument to alcohol.

1) People are fucking retarded when they are inebriated.
2a) Alcohol ain't cheap, unless its shitty alcohol (Natural Ice), but even mids are better than that. For the $12 you spend on a 12pack of natty ice or w/e you can buy yourself a dime and roll 2 blunts and be straight.
2b) How much is a handle of Crown Royal? Grey Goose? Fuck that, how much is a bottle of Cristal??? Compare that to an 1/8th of Northern Lights? How about Purp? What about Dank? Hell even Beasties??? Weed is cheaper for the thrill.
3) Those people who go to rehab had pre-existing conditions, do you know what they teach you in rehab? Have you been? Its not because of weed they go, they go because of not knowing how to deal with problems. Rehab basically teaches you "coping mechanisms".

How come people don't go to rehab when they want to quit smoking cigarettes but truly can't???????

ok well i guess i should have mentioned that i feel the same way about drinking like i do about weed. i dont drink either and i think that is even more stupid since ive seen a lot more of my friends get in trouble for drinking more than smoking. Not everyone goes for pre-existing conditions tho. You should also be able to tell by what i wrote that I have never been to rehad and i dont plan on doing anything that could help me end up there. look at cigarettes tho. They do not change the way you see things and how you react tho thing. They may calm you down and make you a little more relaxed but they dont change your preception on things.

[Sport1.3]

you must have a really sad life if you have to keep smoking something just so you can have some fun and yeah theres no point in fighting for it to be legal because for the people who smoke it its not going to matter if it is legal or not. They are going to smoke either way. Unless you grow your own you are basically wasting your money. Paying a lot of money just for a little pot is dumb as hell. Most of my friends smoke or have smoked at one point and they just looked stupid to me for doin it. And for all those people who say it is not bad how come a lot of people go to rehab for it? If its not bad then they should be able to control it and have no problem. Looks like you have one if your in rehab. And this might just be me but all the people i know that smoke really are dumb as fuck and i mean dumb as in not book smart.


I know some really smart "potheads"......very intellectual and deep thinking people, who I can entertain a conversation with for hours on end....problem is, most of them do nothing with their gifted thought process or imagination (not all). I wholeheartedly believe the drug has no more harmful effects on the human body than any other legal means of self intoxication....like alcohol and tobacco products. I myself have smoked it a few times and am neither addicted nor am I any less intelligent for doing so. A lot of great imaginative things have come from marijuana influenced minds, no doubt.....I just think some ppl have addictive tendencies, when they have something they really like....they push themselves to the point of a mental addiction. And like most addictions, they consume a part of your being.....they change you in some ways, and most often keep you from attaining life goals...I have no problem legalizing it, in fact I am against most government subsidized commodities.....we should be free to do with our bodies as we please. I do however think a strict enforcement on when and where the drug is consumed is completely relevant

[90_ACCORD]

I know some really smart "potheads"......very intellectual and deep thinking people, who I can entertain a conversation with for hours on end....problem is, most of them do nothing with their gifted thought process or imagination (not all). I wholeheartedly believe the drug has no more harmful effects on the human body than any other legal means of self intoxication....like alcohol and tobacco products. I myself have smoked it a few times and am neither addicted nor am I any less intelligent for doing so. A lot of great imaginative things have come from marijuana influenced minds, no doubt.....I just think some ppl have addictive tendencies, when they have something they really like....they push themselves to the point of a mental addiction. And like most addictions, they consume a part of your being.....they change you in some ways, and most often keep you from attaining life goals...I have no problem legalizing it, in fact I am against most government subsidized commodities.....we should be free to do with our bodies as we please. I do however think a strict enforcement on when and where the drug is consumed is completely relevant

yeah i had this kid in my class when i was a senior in high school and this kid smoked just about everyday. He was smart as hell to. He had the best grade in the class. Now that we all graduated tho he is the only one not doing shit with his life. he should be doing better than eberyone else in that class but he would much rather smoke than make something of himself. He would be a lot better off without pot.

[The Ninja]

ok well i guess i should have mentioned that i feel the same way about drinking like i do about weed. i dont drink either and i think that is even more stupid since ive seen a lot more of my friends get in trouble for drinking more than smoking. Not everyone goes for pre-existing conditions tho. You should also be able to tell by what i wrote that I have never been to rehad and i dont plan on doing anything that could help me end up there. look at cigarettes tho. They do not change the way you see things and how you react tho thing. They may calm you down and make you a little more relaxed but they dont change your preception on things.

They calm you down?

Have you ever smoked a cigarette and tried to hold your hand steady?? "Calming your nerves" only applies to those who have smoked and become addicted to cigarretes (meaning their brain doesn't produce certain chemicals and has come to rely on the user's intake of those chemicals from cigarettes). In which case you can argue that a person becomes irrational and irate when WITHOUT cigarettes, symptoms of withdrawal.

Try again.

Chocolate changes your perception on things.

[The Ninja]

Even if it does make you a couch potato, etc. what right does the government have to tell someone they cannot ingest said substance? About as much right as the government has in saying which sex you can marry.

[90_ACCORD]

They calm you down?

Have you ever smoked a cigarette and tried to hold your hand steady?? "Calming your nerves" only applies to those who have smoked and become addicted to cigarretes (meaning their brain doesn't produce certain chemicals and has come to rely on the user's intake of those chemicals from cigarettes). In which case you can argue that a person becomes irrational and irate when WITHOUT cigarettes, symptoms of withdrawal.

Try again.

Chocolate changes your perception on things.

i was talking about people who smoke cigarettes and are adiccted to them. not first time users.

Please tell me how chocolate changes your perception?

[The Ninja]

i was talking about people who smoke cigarettes and are adiccted to them. not first time users.

Please tell me how chocolate changes your perception?

Chocolate has phenylephylamine in it, the same hormone linked to "falling in love" and unexplained happiness.

[Maniacc]

I'm not a pot head but I do smoke occasionally - usually after work 'n shit.

And I would really like cliffs on this thread. Are we talking about why weed is bad, why weed should be legal, ect ect.?

[The Ninja]

Cliffs (Minus the banter between Ran and Tracy):
-Debunking Myths about Weed
-Notifying public of Tobacco & Alcohol companies efforts at suppressing the legalization/decriminalization of weed

Thats about it, other than those (who're usually uninformed) voicing their opinion as fact and having said "fact" be debunked.

[Maniacc]

Awesome - thanks dude.

Unfortunately I'm on my way out the door and won't be back on til tonight. But I will definitely post up my two cents about this as soon as I can.

[The Creeper]

I think weed should be legalized and the government should tax the hell out of it and make lots of money. In the same sense though, doesn't weed in a sense support laziness? Ive never seen a friend High and just want to go out and conquer the world, they are more like couch potatoes. This country doesn't need to get any lazier then it already is, but I still don't think thats enough to keep marijuana illegal. Legalizing it would also save a lot of time and money in the court systems and jail systems. Alcohol and cigarettes are much more harmful then marijuana. Alcohol specifically, which is why laws keep getting more strict on drunk driving and such. Cigarettes on the other hand, are a thousand times more addictive then marijuana could ever be. I smoke a pack, pack and a half, everyday consistently. This costs me around 150$ a month. This shows any addiction is costly. Alcohol is even more costly then smoking, or generally most other addictions if you are a true alcoholic. Either way, I am all for legalizing and regulating marijuana, then law makers and law enforcers can focus on more damaging and harder drugs. Just my .02 cents....

[Sport1.3]

You both apparently didn't read the "wall-o-text". I had nothing better to do, so I did read it. It was even in bold, c'mon guys.

i apologize, i didn’t fully read the original post

though...

Nothing in that statement says anything about it being "safer" while driving under the influence than driving completely sober.....taking a statistic with a far greater amount of non smoking people involved is rather skewed, don’t you think?.....thats like saying its more dangerous (although less lethal) to drive in rain or snow than it is to drive drunk...just because of the sheer amount of accidents caused by that specific event each year over drinking related accidents (non fatal statistic)

the statement: "One experiment tested marijuana-intoxicated drivers on both a closed course and on a crowded city street. It found that the elements of driving most affected were concentration and judgment."

Both qualities are important while driving a motor vehicle..... I have myself driven VERY high and while entertaining, it was anything but safe.

[90_ACCORD]

Chocolate has phenylephylamine in it, the same hormone linked to "falling in love" and unexplained happiness.

wow your really going to use that as your argument. that explains why chocolate is usually given on valentines day. but for the argument about weed and alcohol and all that. Chocolate is not a good example to use

[The Ninja]

I think weed should be legalized and the government should tax the hell out of it and make lots of money. In the same sense though, doesn't weed in a sense support laziness? Ive never seen a friend High and just want to go out and conquer the world, they are more like couch potatoes. This country doesn't need to get any lazier then it already is, but I still don't think thats enough to keep marijuana illegal. Legalizing it would also save a lot of time and money in the court systems and jail systems. Alcohol and cigarettes are much more harmful then marijuana. Alcohol specifically, which is why laws keep getting more strict on drunk driving and such. Cigarettes on the other hand, are a thousand times more addictive then marijuana could ever be. I smoke a pack, pack and a half, everyday consistently. This costs me around 150$ a month. This shows any addiction is costly. Alcohol is even more costly then smoking, or generally most other addictions if you are a true alcoholic. Either way, I am all for legalizing and regulating marijuana, then law makers and law enforcers can focus on more damaging and harder drugs. Just my .02 cents....


Damn, homie, the money factor alone would make me quit. SHIT! $150 a month?!

[The Creeper]

Damn, homie, the money factor alone would make me quit. SHIT! $150 a month?!

I know man, when you add it up like that, its sick isnt it? After being addicted for years though, 150$ a month is a small price to pay for your sanity haha.

[eViLMunkey]

Nobody cares, potheads are dumb, and it's still illegal. Boo hoo.

Moving on...


Where you live it is.... :ninja:

Glad I live in Mass no due to the Decriminalization of marijuana just think it will be legal again w/ in our life time

[The Ninja]

wow your really going to use that as your argument. that explains why chocolate is usually given on valentines day. but for the argument about weed and alcohol and all that. Chocolate is not a good example to use

This is the equivalent of your response. It says nothing. The chocolate thing was a joke. It makes the bitches happy, like loli's stretch Ran's pants.

[Catnip]

We aren't potheads crying about our precious plant being illegal, we're citizens wanting to exercise our personal rights without infringing on another's without endangering our career or personal life.


I think this is a rare case, not pointing fingers at anyone though.

[99hatch]

And who the hell smokes anymore? Sell your bongs and get a Volcano.

Hot damn, Amen to that. That takes away 95% of all toxins and smoke out of the picture. Not to mention makes it last longer.

[eViLMunkey]

Hot damn, Amen to that. That takes away 95% of all toxins and smoke out of the picture. Not to mention makes it last longer.


I HIGHLY Agree w/ that... pun intended :crazy:

[nreggie454]

Why do rehab clinics have high numbers of marijuana addicts?

Because everybody knows that you can get a drug charge lessened by going to rehab.


The main reason why I believe marijuana should be legalized is that practically all of the premises used for criminalizing it have been proven wrong or to be highly exaggerated.

Also, about the Netherlands and eliminating "coffee shops:" this is due to he high number of "drug tourists" who go to the border cities of the Netherlands, stock up on weed, and then smuggle it back to their home countries where it is illegal. This pisses off the other countries and puts pressure on the Dutch. Also, the government is ruled mostly by conservative Christian Democrats (lol oxymoron) who oppose marijuana while the Dutch public has no problems with it and actually want to legalize personal growing.

[The Ninja]

Hot damn, Amen to that. That takes away 95% of all toxins and smoke out of the picture. Not to mention makes it last longer.

Its all about convenience #1.

You can't carry a volcano around in your pocket.

[99hatch]

Ahh they do need a pocket version. But i have a TV in my car as well as a AC plug and rca outlets. So I can plug mine up in the car and ride!!! hahaha. Now we wont get into the safety issues of riding while operating a volcano and watching TV. But usually i have a passenger help.

[99hatch]

In all honesty we all know it should be legal. It was in this country up untill the mid 1930's. Even Thomas Jefferson has been quoted as saying (im paraphrasing so bare with me) "Some of my best ideas and inventions have come from an afternoon of smoking hemp on the back porch and observing nature." Alcohol was illegal when Cannibus was Legal. So its the Corporations and the government that is swapped it back.

Secondly Cannibus is a plant that grows naturally like any other crop. Its not changed and altered like meth. It just grows and was put here by God (I believe, lets not turn this into a holy war), where as alcohol was invented by man.

[The Ninja]

I'm going to cross breed weed with some legal plant... so that the legal plant starts producing cannabinoids... then I'ma smoke it. And sell it.... and make a fortune!

j/k

[99hatch]

Not a bad idea......If I was only a Botanist. Could cross it with lettuce, then whenever you eat a burger or salad, you good to go.

[eViLMunkey]

Ahh they do need a pocket version. But i have a TV in my car as well as a AC plug and rca outlets. So I can plug mine up in the car and ride!!! hahaha. Now we wont get into the safety issues of riding while operating a volcano and watching TV. But usually i have a passenger help.


Bwahaha!! one of my friends did that for his road trip to CO in his blazer, and minus the TV

[nreggie454]

Not a bad idea......If I was only a Botanist. Could cross it with lettuce, then whenever you eat a burger or salad, you good to go.

Actually, no.

Marijuana does not contain THC. It contains THCA, which still can give the effects of smoking marijuana, but isn't nearly as potent. The act of heating the THCA via smoking, cooking, etc. converts the THCA to THC which gets you higher.

[Sport1.3]

Secondly Cannibus is a plant that grows naturally like any other crop. Its not changed and altered like meth. It just grows and was put here by God (I believe, lets not turn this into a holy war), where as alcohol was invented by man.


Naturally fermented fruit when exposed to the correct types of bacteria produces trace alcohol :ninja:

a piece of bread becoming wet and simply forgotten, After a short time, can ferment to produce inebriating pulp....this lead to pulp wines (effectively the first mash) and then eventually to beer as we know it. Something like 6000 yrs ago, it was Discovered, not invented ;)

just like anything else, an idea or discovery can be taken and made better over time......indeed pot and the ways in which it is cultivated have come along way

[99hatch]

The fact is its illegal, but I believe that will change. After all we now have Obama as president and he is bringing Change right?

[99hatch]

Naturally fermented fruit when exposed to the correct types of bacteria produces trace alcohol :ninja:

a piece of bread becoming wet and simply forgotten, After a short time, can ferment to produce inebriating pulp....this lead to pulp wines (effectively the first mash) and then eventually to beer as we know it. Something like 6000 yrs ago, it was Discovered, not invented ;)

just like anything else, an idea or discovery can be taken and made better over time......indeed pot and the ways in which it is cultivated have come along way

Well I was mostly referencing Hard Liquor since that is what kills most people when they OD on Alcohol. Beer is a bit harder to OD on.

[The Creeper]

Either way guys and gals, considering the state of our economy and nation, the legalization of marijuana is not important in the least right now. The US has bigger fish to fry.

[eViLMunkey]

Either way guys and gals, considering the state of our economy and nation, the legalization of marijuana is not important in the least right now. The US has bigger fish to fry.


actually if you want to go that route, legalization could benefit the US's Economy in other aspects. cause the bankers sure aren't.

[The Ninja]

Actually, no.

Marijuana does not contain THC. It contains THCA, which still can give the effects of smoking marijuana, but isn't nearly as potent. The act of heating the THCA via smoking, cooking, etc. converts the THCA to THC which gets you higher.

Its the drying and curing of pot that converts the plant acids into THC, as well as the 106*C tempurature that also triggers the quick conversion of THCA to THC, known as decarboxylation.

Did you know you could increase the potency of your weed by putting it in the oven at ~225*F?? (A dramatic increase in potency)

[The Creeper]

actually if you want to go that route, legalization could benefit the US's Economy in other aspects. cause the bankers sure aren't.

The econimcal effect of the legalization of marijuana on the US economy would be insignificant to say the least. If you think otherwise, then maybe you should stop smoking so much :ninja:

[nreggie454]

Either way guys and gals, considering the state of our economy and nation, the legalization of marijuana is not important in the least right now. The US has bigger fish to fry.

How about the flip side of that?


Considering the state of our economy and nation, the government should do what is reasonable to bring in more money and limit spending. One way to help solve both of those problems is to legalize marijuana. It could be taxed like cigarettes and alcohol, and less money would have to be spent on tracking down, prosecuting, and jailing marijuana users.

This is a fairly easy and safe way for the government to save and earn billions, which is very important considering the state of our economy and nation.

[The Ninja]

#

"The most recent figures available from the Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) indicate that, in 1999, federal expenditures on control of illegal drugs surpassed $17 billion; combined expenditures by federal, state, and local governments exceeded $30 billion. What is more, the nation's so-called 'drug war' is a protracted one. The country has spent roughly this amount annually throughout the 1990s."


Amazing. Wanna guess how much of this was in the control of marijuana?

[The Creeper]

How about the flip side of that?


Considering the state of our economy and nation, the government should do what is reasonable to bring in more money and limit spending. One way to help solve both of those problems is to legalize marijuana. It could be taxed like cigarettes and alcohol, and less money would have to be spent on tracking down, prosecuting, and jailing marijuana users.

This is a fairly easy and safe way for the government to save and earn billions, which is very important considering the state of our economy and nation.

There is so much wrong with this post I do not know where to start. You say the government should limit spending and bring in more money. The legalization process and the process of setting new laws and guidelines to the using, distributing, and production of marijuana would cost BILLIONS. and the gains from this process would not be seen over night, it would be many years down the road after everything is perfected. I agree with you that this process should happen in the next 5-10 years, but right now, not a chance.

Another thing, think about who would be selling this product if it were legalized. Those companies would be reaping huge benefits from the sales. If Marijuana was legalized, the price would be much more then what it costs now, I can promise you that. If you wanted the regulation to work, there would be very strict guidelines to whats legal and illegal. They would make certain products legal, and marijuana grown naturally or personally illegal. This is what would have to be done for the government to see any benefit to the legalization of the drug. If the simply legalized the drug, It would save money in the court systems and jailing systems no doubt, but it would not generate any kind of money coming in.

Another way to look at this is say it was legalized and regualted perfectly. And then companies started to distribute marijuana with no troubles, and everyone bought from these companies. It would be expensive, and im sure millions of people would be buying this product. This would take away millions of dollars of profit from other companies selling any product you can think of. This would not stimulate the economy at all, it would actually have a negative effect.

That being said, this goes back to simply legalizing the use of the drug. How much good would this actually do? I garuntee it would still be illegal to distribute or sell on the streets. It would be illegal to do it while driving. And I can garuntee you the common work place would not allow it either. So if you think about all of that, it really would not help the court system or save our government any money at all. I typically hear about people getting arrested because they were high driving, had it in their possession while doing something illegal, being something minor or major, or dealing the drug. So the people that simply use it at home, at night, not planning on going anywhere, never really going to get caught, should not care about the legalization, because it hardly effects them. To me this not abusing the drug, but simply using it to relax on their own time(meaning not at work, or driving, etc etc) in a safe controlled enviroment that the general public has no problem with.

Sorry for the long rant, and I know its a bit cluttered and jumps thoughts, but I did not feel like writing a well thought out essay to get my general point across. So in conclusion, I think the people that bitch the most about the legalization of marijuana are the people that abuse it. Im done for now talking about this subject, and if this post gets flamed, I will then write a well thought out essay and post it up in here. :2cents::2cents::cheers::goodjob:

[Sport1.3]

There is so much wrong with this post I do not know where to start. You say the government should limit spending and bring in more money. The legalization process and the process of setting new laws and guidelines to the using, distributing, and production of marijuana would cost BILLIONS. and the gains from this process would not be seen over night, it would be many years down the road after everything is perfected. I agree with you that this process should happen in the next 5-10 years, but right now, not a chance.

Another thing, think about who would be selling this product if it were legalized. Those companies would be reaping huge benefits from the sales. If Marijuana was legalized, the price would be much more then what it costs now, I can promise you that. If you wanted the regulation to work, there would be very strict guidelines to whats legal and illegal. They would make certain products legal, and marijuana grown naturally or personally illegal. This is what would have to be done for the government to see any benefit to the legalization of the drug. If the simply legalized the drug, It would save money in the court systems and jailing systems no doubt, but it would not generate any kind of money coming in.

Another way to look at this is say it was legalized and regualted perfectly. And then companies started to distribute marijuana with no troubles, and everyone bought from these companies. It would be expensive, and im sure millions of people would be buying this product. This would take away millions of dollars of profit from other companies selling any product you can think of. This would not stimulate the economy at all, it would actually have a negative effect.

That being said, this goes back to simply legalizing the use of the drug. How much good would this actually do? I garuntee it would still be illegal to distribute or sell on the streets. It would be illegal to do it while driving. And I can garuntee you the common work place would not allow it either. So if you think about all of that, it really would not help the court system or save our government any money at all. I typically hear about people getting arrested because they were high driving, had it in their possession while doing something illegal, being something minor or major, or dealing the drug. So the people that simply use it at home, at night, not planning on going anywhere, never really going to get caught, should not care about the legalization, because it hardly effects them. To me this not abusing the drug, but simply using it to relax on their own time(meaning not at work, or driving, etc etc) in a safe controlled enviroment that the general public has no problem with.

Sorry for the long rant, and I know its a bit cluttered and jumps thoughts, but I did not feel like writing a well thought out essay to get my general point across. So in conclusion, I think the people that bitch the most about the legalization of marijuana are the people that abuse it. Im done for now talking about this subject, and if this post gets flamed, I will then write a well thought out essay and post it up in here. :2cents::2cents::cheers::goodjob:


interesting points :cheers:

[nreggie454]

There is so much wrong with this post I do not know where to start. You say the government should limit spending and bring in more money. The legalization process and the process of setting new laws and guidelines to the using, distributing, and production of marijuana would cost BILLIONS. and the gains from this process would not be seen over night, it would be many years down the road after everything is perfected. I agree with you that this process should happen in the next 5-10 years, but right now, not a chance.

Yes, you are right. It would take an initial investment of time and money for legalization to occur. However, it would be a one time cost, unlike the BILLIONS spent annually to limit marijuana usage even though it is ineffective.



Another thing, think about who would be selling this product if it were legalized. Those companies would be reaping huge benefits from the sales. If Marijuana was legalized, the price would be much more then what it costs now, I can promise you that. If you wanted the regulation to work, there would be very strict guidelines to whats legal and illegal. They would make certain products legal, and marijuana grown naturally or personally illegal. This is what would have to be done for the government to see any benefit to the legalization of the drug. If the simply legalized the drug, It would save money in the court systems and jailing systems no doubt, but it would not generate any kind of money coming in.
Legalization would lower prices, not raise them. Money would be generated off sales/vice taxes.


Another way to look at this is say it was legalized and regualted perfectly. And then companies started to distribute marijuana with no troubles, and everyone bought from these companies. It would be expensive, and im sure millions of people would be buying this product. This would take away millions of dollars of profit from other companies selling any product you can think of. This would not stimulate the economy at all, it would actually have a negative effect.
Again, prices would be lower, not higher. Think about it. Currently, the supply of marijuana for Americans is low, while the demand is high. This causes high prices. Once it is legalized, the supply would be able to match the demand better and lower prices. Also, the economy is ever changing, and limiting something because it could hurt somebody else's business is pretty dumb. Should the government make the sale of import cars illegal because it hurts the business of the Big Three?


That being said, this goes back to simply legalizing the use of the drug. How much good would this actually do? I garuntee it would still be illegal to distribute or sell on the streets. It would be illegal to do it while driving. And I can garuntee you the common work place would not allow it either. So if you think about all of that, it really would not help the court system or save our government any money at all. I typically hear about people getting arrested because they were high driving, had it in their possession while doing something illegal, being something minor or major, or dealing the drug. So the people that simply use it at home, at night, not planning on going anywhere, never really going to get caught, should not care about the legalization, because it hardly effects them. To me this not abusing the drug, but simply using it to relax on their own time(meaning not at work, or driving, etc etc) in a safe controlled enviroment that the general public has no problem with.

That is a lot of speculation. Also, legalization affects all marijuana users, whether they would get caught or not.




Sorry for the long rant, and I know its a bit cluttered and jumps thoughts, but I did not feel like writing a well thought out essay to get my general point across. So in conclusion, I think the people that bitch the most about the legalization of marijuana are the people that abuse it. Im done for now talking about this subject, and if this post gets flamed, I will then write a well thought out essay and post it up in here. :2cents::2cents::cheers::goodjob:

No prob :goodjob:

[The Creeper]

"Yes, you are right. It would take an initial investment of time and money for legalization to occur. However, it would be a one time cost, unlike the BILLIONS spent annually to limit marijuana usage even though it is ineffective. "

^ It would not be considered a one time cost because the process would not happen over night, but I understand what you're saying, and I agree to an extent, just saying it should not happen right now.


"Legalization would lower prices, not raise them. Money would be generated off sales/vice taxes.


Again, prices would be lower, not higher. Think about it. Currently, the supply of marijuana for Americans is low, while the demand is high. This causes high prices. Once it is legalized, the supply would be able to match the demand better and lower prices. Also, the economy is ever changing, and limiting something because it could hurt somebody else's business is pretty dumb. Should the government make the sale of import cars illegal because it hurts the business of the Big Three?"

^I can see where you are coming from, but this is greedy America, not "make consumers happy" America. The demand of cigarettes is always high, yet why do I pay so damn much for some paper and tobacco? I do not think cigarettes are astronomically overpriced, but the tobacco compnay is making a KILLING off of me. My point about limiting other businesses was that we do not need marijuana taking the place of other things being bought right now. Think of how much would be sold if you could buy it at a gas station. There are plenty of people out there that would do it if it was legal, but right now choose not to use it because it is illegal. And your comparison of the japanese cars being sold is invalid, its a legal running business as of right now, and was never at one point illegal, so a different subject all together. I understand what you are saying though, and my argument was just meaning due to current economic times, marijuana is at the bottom of the barrell.:cheers:



"That is a lot of speculation. Also, legalization affects all marijuana users, whether they would get caught or not."

^I know some of it is specualation, but is the argument wrong? How does one get caught using marijuana if he uses it on his free time at only his house, and grows his one little plant? The people getting arrested for it are the people driving while high, having it at parties, having possesion of it while doing something to attract the attention of the police, or buying/selling it. If legalized, It would still be illegal to sell it at a street level im sure, and also illegal to drive while being high, and they would set a age limit on it. So would the legalization really stop millions of petty arrests? This argument can go both ways, and both our arguments are valid so :cheers:





"No prob :goodjob:"

Sorry, I am a quoting nooob. Did the best I could haha. Please forgive.

[alpine_aw11]

I need to get out of the WL...I missed a good one here.

Coming from a formerly avid potsmoker, it really upsets me to see friends go to jail for having a gram on them, while minding their own damn business.

What upsets me even more, however, is the general population of people who smoke. Seriously, weed attracts retards. It's unfortunate, but it's true. I don't hang out with retards, but 99% of my good friends smoke quite a bit. They are all well above average intelligence wise, but without trying to sound like an asshole, my friends and I seem to be a rare breed. I HATE the fact that around here most of the people who do drugs only do them because, well, they can't really do anything else with their lives. Your average stoner in my area is pretty much nothing but a stoner. I have "friends" like this, but I can't stand to be around them for long periods of time. They're mostly good people, but I seriously can't stick around in environments filled with people that are on their way to absolutely nothing. When weed becomes more than just recreation, it is ruined. I will always love pot, but there is a fine line between keeping your priorities straight and forgetting about the real world. As much as I would like to see weed be legal(I really think it always should have been), more and more worthless stoners would pop up and do more to ruin weed's reputation than they already have. I don't smoke nearly as much as I used to, and I've realized that now I appreciate it more than ever. I got way too into partying in high school, and instead of getting a 4.0 gpa like I should have I didn't do shit and got by with a 2.9. I thought it was so awesome to show up and get A's on every test, but when you miss 2 days of school a week and are extremely unfocused, there is nothing rewarding about it.

And to Ran and whoever else that puts all of us in the "dumbass" category, I get where you're coming from, but try to be a little more open. Nobody should smoke if they don't want to, but to give the drug itself a bad name because of the morons that surround it really isn't fair in my eyes.

[R3RUN]

According to Ohio State University THC helps prevent Alzheimer's and may increase brain cell production.


New research that came out the other day.




Stick that in yo pipe and schmoke it.

[Catnip]

Secondly Cannibus is a plant that grows naturally like any other crop. Its not changed and altered like meth. It just grows and was put here by God (I believe, lets not turn this into a holy war), where as alcohol was invented by man.

Why don't you point some poison ivy up to your mouth? It's made by God too ;)

[R3RUN]

Why don't you point some poison ivy up to your mouth? It's made by God too ;)
Yea but poison ivy isn't America's number one cash crop...

[Catnip]

Yea but poison ivy isn't America's number one cash crop...

What's your point? Neither is cancer but it's natural and a lot of people have it.























that was wrong :ninja:

[R3RUN]

What's your point? Neither is cancer but it's natural and a lot of people have it.
I'm sure cancer is making a lot of people in this country very very rich.


I didn't really have a point though.

[Catnip]

I didn't really have a point though.

me neither
:lmao:

[K20Z1]

too much reading, but i know i dont smoke weed, or smoke anything!

[Maniacc]

-Debunking Myths about Weed

A lot of people say it's bad and a lot of people say it's not harmful at all.

As a smoker I will obviously sit here and say it's not bad but we're all smart and know that anything that involves smokin' or drinking is bad in one way or another to our bodies. Is it life threatening? I doubt it - but I do know some people who have changed once they let the weed start controlling them.

Any physical or mental damage though?

Maybe if you smoke a blunt a day for the rest of your life.



-Notifying public of Tobacco & Alcohol companies efforts at suppressing the legalization/decriminalization of weed.

What I don't understand is why weed is illegal when cigarettes aren't? When they pump cigarettes full of deadly chemicals such as DDT and cyanide, causes all sorts of disease, kills I don't know how many per year, and doesn't have one single beneficial effect (such as getting high)?

Well, the almighty dollar is the reason of course. Either outlaw cigarettes(yeah right) or legalize/decriminalize marijuana and regulate it. There's a shitload of money to be made in taxes, and they could use it for sure. Perhaps there'd be enough for health care if marijuana were legalized.

But then again, doing something like that might actually lead to more sensible policies in the future, and satan forbid that should ever happen.

[The Ninja]

The price of marijuana would drop to a ridiculous level. I'd estimate something like $15 a half.


Any physical or mental damage though?

Maybe if you smoke a blunt a day for the rest of your life.

Go back and read the first post.

The most of the damage actually comes from the cigars/papers that people roll the shit up in. Smoke it in a vaporizer and it nearly obliterates all harmful toxins.


There is so much wrong with this post I do not know where to start. You say the government should limit spending and bring in more money. The legalization process and the process of setting new laws and guidelines to the using, distributing, and production of marijuana would cost BILLIONS. and the gains from this process would not be seen over night, it would be many years down the road after everything is perfected. I agree with you that this process should happen in the next 5-10 years, but right now, not a chance.

If they simply decriminalized the sale/distribution/posession of marijuana this would cost billions??? Tell me where the money would be spent. Specifically.



Another thing, think about who would be selling this product if it were legalized. Those companies would be reaping huge benefits from the sales. If Marijuana was legalized, the price would be much more then what it costs now, I can promise you that.

The same people who're selling it now, as well as more people who want to sell it but fear repercussions, and a few companies.
They wouldn't reap huge benefits because they would have so much competition it'd be ridiculous. They would have to produce some VERY good shit for a VERY good price to keep people from growing their own shit.


but it would not generate any kind of money coming in.

Wrong once again. They would tax the shit out of imported weed, and out of weed sold in stores.


I garuntee it would still be illegal to distribute or sell on the streets. It would be illegal to do it while driving.

Why?? Why would it be illegal to sell or distribute?? Why would it be illegal to do while driving if studies PROVE that you are less likely to have an accident while high??? WHY if studies PROVE you are a safer driver while high???


So the people that simply use it at home, at night, not planning on going anywhere, never really going to get caught, should not care about the legalization, because it hardly effects them.

Not true. Those people who do use it in that manner are at fear for their jobs because they are participating in illegal activities (especially such with a horrible social stigma) that would show up on tests many jobs require you to consent to. Were it legal, it would be similar to a "Don't ask, Don't tell" as long as it doesn't affect your production in the work place.

[ksniperfox]

My point is that there a lot of things that are illegal and people still do them, so saying it is illegal is the weakest argument you could have chosen :)


well im not going to lose my job if i get some decent head. i probably wont get a ticket either, unless im driving simultaneously.


lots of things are illegal, but drugs of any sort will land you tickets, jail time, probation, unemployment, etc. anal sex will never do that.



point-the OP's article is very convincing and logical. but no matter what it says, the fact is that its still illegal and you are dumb as shit if you care to take the associated risks i listed above.

next point-your article brings up several good arguments. why then is it still illegal? we aren't living in the 50's anymore. we arent still segregated. the world has more or less grown up and thinks logically. hell they let faggots marry each other. why wouldnt they legalize some marijuana without good warrant?

[Tracy]

well im not going to lose my job if i get some decent head. i probably wont get a ticket either, unless im driving simultaneously.


lots of things are illegal, but drugs of any sort will land you tickets, jail time, probation, unemployment, etc. anal sex will never do that.



point-the OP's article is very convincing and logical. but no matter what it says, the fact is that its still illegal and you are dumb as shit if you care to take the associated risks i listed above.

next point-your article brings up several good arguments. why then is it still illegal? we aren't living in the 50's anymore. we arent still segregated. the world has more or less grown up and thinks logically. hell they let faggots marry each other. why wouldnt they legalize some marijuana without good warrant?


Maybe because a lot of DEA agents would not have jobs???? I'm not sure and it's just a guess.

Also, like I said, illegal is illegal and you can't make excuses for that.

[The Ninja]

@Ksniperfox

People like you are missing the point of the thread. Its not to convince you that its OK to smoke weed, its to inform you of common marijuana myths and debunk them.

Next point - You obviously didn't read the entire post. If corporations don't want something to happen, it won't happen. Simple as that, and vice versa.

[90_ACCORD]

A lot of people say it's bad and a lot of people say it's not harmful at all.

As a smoker I will obviously sit here and say it's not bad but we're all smart and know that anything that involves smokin' or drinking is bad in one way or another to our bodies. Is it life threatening? I doubt it - but I do know some people who have changed once they let the weed start controlling them.

Any physical or mental damage though?

Maybe if you smoke a blunt a day for the rest of your life.

Actually i think it was in the OP but it did say it could lead to 2 types of cancer not because of what is in it but because of the fact it is smoke and you are taking it into your body.

[Sport1.3]

Yea but poison ivy isn't America's number one cash crop...

By government funded studies ESTIMATING the average cultivation and consumption, as opposed to real figures taken by cash crops such as corn and soy beans....Not the mention the average market value of such commodities as marijuana compared to corn and the like, the price difference is astronomical per individual measurement. Also, the fact the convenience these surveys have and their association with the rise in government funding/tax dollars toward the "war on drugs" ;)

[Maniacc]

Actually i think it was in the OP but it did say it could lead to 2 types of cancer not because of what is in it but because of the fact it is smoke and you are taking it into your body.
Are you blind or just alittle slow?

That's why I said this:


As a smoker I will obviously sit here and say it's not bad but we're all smart and know that anything that involves smokin' or drinking is bad in one way or another to our bodies

[The Ninja]

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/december122008/barack_cannabis_12-12-08.php

Bump, check that out.

[2.25teg]

lealize it

[ahhmyek]

I think it's hilarious that people let their government lead them around by their noses. If we were to legalize and tax pot it might even help out our current financial hard time.

[Nateds16]

my moms doctor told her to smoke pot for her pain that she has her body is attacking its self and it should be legal and should be treated like alchohol if you get what im saying agree or not i think sick people should be able to smoke it so they can eat now you people that smoke 24/7 i dont agree with you but i do

[thecrazyone]

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/december122008/barack_cannabis_12-12-08.php

Bump, check that out.


yea there is a video on youtube, of the president elect telling a MMJ patient that he wont let the federal government bust state dispensaries.

[Revmaynard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSH6ofHbeUw

[Blitanicle99]

I haven't read half this thread, Ill admit but honestly any of those who are thinking weed is the dumbest thing in the world, go for it. Keep thinking whatever you want. Theres no pressure, theres no badass story on how I figured out my life while on drugs, nothing. I just simply choose to do it.
I have openly done this drug off and on for awhile, I have experimented with different pychodelics and other drugs and I choose not to do the ones that make you see Reindeer dancing ontop of your car while explaining to you that you should walk into waffle house naked. Those drugs are fun, but are fun in an immature way. Ive have snorted, eaten, smoked, and licked (acid stips) just about fucking everything with the exception of two drugs, which are Meth and Heroine.

And to sum all those drugs up, shit I don't know but they are not as fun as people make them out to be. However, coming back to cannibus I have never had a bad experiance, never gotten sick, never been "too high" to do something. And trust me when I say this, those of you who say "oh you haven't smoked enough", trust me I have. I am not proud of that, just stating that I have been to the places in the drug world you hear about and met some fucking people. What it comes down to it all is simply this.

If you can function your life, and drugs do not rule your life, as in you make it your daily goal of smoking at any time you are not at work or at school or elsewise, then your fine. If you hold a good job, make decent grades and your habits do not affect other people than do as you do.

Otherwise, cheers and tokes. :D

[BURRITO_mike]

i love you haha and mary REPS!

[ATL_EG]

x1trillion!
so many good points in this thread :goodjob:

[zumolives]

I look at it this way...

Michale Phelps smokes weed...Wins 8 gold medals in the Olympics.....and smokes weed...?


ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!

one love,
zumo

[zumolives]

I SMOKE TIRES!
too much reading, but i know i dont smoke weed, or smoke anything!

[RL...]

Weed is awesome. PERIOD. But it should not be legalized because the american ppl love to get addicted to things, such as tobacco, alcohol, and food, and are weak. Weed would just be something else to get abused,(even more than it does now).

What we need to figure out is why do ppl want/need to get high? Why are ppl trying to escape reality and feel better. Obviously because their reality is stressful or whatnot. The American ppl need to learn a better way to cope with things rather than smoking or drinking. As smoking weed will only make things worse, you have less money, wasted valuable time, and are stupidly happy/lazy.

Society's progress would slow or come to a halt if they weed were to be legalized. It's too improbable.

With that said I love weed and I smoked a fat blunt last night.:cheers:

[zumolives]

YES! thank you for typically stereotyping potheads??? ok, look if it its legalized and people use it to cope THATS NOT MY PROBLEM! If you start using it for that wrong purpose then you have completly misunderstood weed. Why should I suffer due to the fact someone else cant hold there shit together? I firmly believe if it was legal I would finally accomplish world peace.

with this all being said anyone wanna help leaglize this shit? I got a pending coming up im really wanting to make some noise.
Weed is awesome. PERIOD. But it should not be legalized because the american ppl love to get addicted to things, such as tobacco, alcohol, and food, and are weak. Weed would just be something else to get abused,(even more than it does now).

What we need to figure out is why do ppl want/need to get high? Why are ppl trying to escape reality and feel better. Obviously because their reality is stressful or whatnot. The American ppl need to learn a better way to cope with things rather than smoking or drinking. As smoking weed will only make things worse, you have less money, wasted valuable time, and are stupidly happy/lazy.

Society's progress would slow or come to a halt if they weed were to be legalized. It's too improbable.

With that said I love weed and I smoked a fat blunt last night.:cheers:

[Master Shake]

PLEASE TRY TO PROVE THIS WRONG)))) :blah: .

Brain Damage

Marijuana is psychoactive because it stimulates certain brain receptors, but it does not produce toxins that kill them (like alcohol), and it does not wear them out as other drugs may. There is no evidence that marijuana use is a cause of brain damage. Studies by Dr. Robert Heath claimed the contrary in experiments on monkeys, but Heath's work has been sharply criticized by the Institute of Medicine and the National Academy of Sciences on three primary counts:

its insufficient sample size (only four monkeys),
its failure to control experimental bias, and its misidentification of normal monkey brain structure as "damaged".

A far superior experiment by the National Center for Toxicological Research (NCTR) involving 64 rhesus monkeys that were exposed to daily or weekly doses of marijuana smoke for a year found no evidence of structural or neurochemical changes in the brains of rhesus monkeys. Studies performed on actual human populations will confirm these results, even for chronic marijuana users (up to 18 joints per day) after many years of use. In fact, following the publication of two 1977 JAMA studies, the American Medical Association (AMA) officially announced its support for the decriminalization of marijuana.

Contrary to a 1987 television commercial sponsored by the Partnership for a Drug-Free America (PDFA), marijuana does not "flatten" brain waves either. In the commercial, a normal human brain wave was compared to what was supposedly the (much flatter) brain wave of a 14-year-old high on marijuana. It was actually the brain wave of a coma patient. PDFA lied about the data, and had to pull the commercial off of the air when researchers complained to the television networks.

In reality, marijuana has the effect of slightly increasing alpha-wave activity. Alpha waves are generally associated with meditative and relaxed states which are, in turn, often associated with human creativity.
it may not cause brain damage, but it could lead to short term memory loss.

when i smoked, i would listento people, then within that very day, i would have forgotten key points to which what was said, important or not. kinda like selective hearing.

i don't smoke now, and i remember shit a lot better than i did before.

it doesn't cause brain damage, it just causes people to be forgetful to remembering key points in which things that may have been important to the fellow person, and the effects of mary causes one to easily forget, due to the relaxing, munchies, notgivingafuck, etc.


i don't find anything wrong with it, i mean, its not like its hurting anymore. and besides, legalizing it could just boost the economy up, but since the gov't can't find a way to tax it, its keeping it from being legal. but truth of the matter being, i bet the gov't is probably taking what have been from tickets/major busts and easily putting back into the economy and then keeping what ever profit is made from it, on top of whatever fines and shit people are getting nailed with.
i think that there is VERY FEW true cops still left, most of them are probably crooked as fuck cause of their position thinking they can get away with anything or that they "are the law".
man fuck the police, and burn it down bitches!
smoke a blunt and tell the po-po to go fuck with the guy robbing the bank, you're just chillin on the park bench.

[Brick]

MONDAY, Feb. 9 (HealthDay News) -- Smoking marijuana over an extended period of time appears to greatly boost a young man's risk for developing a particularly aggressive form of testicular cancer, a new study reveals.

In fact, researchers found that men who smoked marijuana once a week or began to use the substance on a long-term basis while adolescents incurred double the risk for developing the fastest-spreading version of testicular cancer -- nonseminoma, which accounts for about 40% of all cases.

"Since we know that the incidence of testicular cancer has been rising in our country and in Europe over the last 40 years and that marijuana use has also risen over the same time, it seemed logical that there might be an association between the two," said study co-author Janet Daling, an epidemiologist and member of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center's public health sciences division in Seattle. "And when I analyzed the data, we found a fairly strong relationship with this aggressive type of testicular cancer."

No link was found between the drug and a less aggressive and more prevalent form of the disease, known as seminoma, which strikes 60% of testicular cancer patients.

The findings were published in the Feb. 9 online issue of Cancer.

According to the U.S. National Cancer Institute, testicular cancer is very rare, accounting for just 1% of cancers among American men. Nevertheless, the disease is the most common type of cancer for American men between the ages of 15 and 34, the study noted.

Across North America, Europe, Australia and New Zealand, testicular cancer rates have increased by 3% to 6% in the past half-century. That has led some researchers to suggest that the upward trend might be the product of increased exposure among young men to one or more external factors, including a simultaneous and comparable rise in the use of marijuana.

Along those lines, the researchers noted that the testes could be particularly vulnerable to the effects of marijuana, given that the organ -- along with the brain, heart, uterus and spleen -- carries specific receptors for tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the principal psychoactive ingredient in marijuana.

As well, previous human and animal research has indicated that marijuana use might lead to reduced hormonal production (particularly testosterone), poorer semen quality and impotency in men.

Daling and her team explored the notion of a marijuana-testicular cancer connection by analyzing data on 369 testicular cancer patients that had been collected by the Adult Testicular Cancer Lifestyle and Blood Specimen Study.

Participants were between the ages of 18 and 44, most were white or Hispanic, and all were residents of the Seattle-Puget Sound region. All had been diagnosed with the disease between 1999 and 2006. The men reported any history of marijuana use, as well as alcohol and smoking habits, and the same information was collected from about 1,000 healthy men.

The researchers found that current marijuana use was linked to a 70% increased risk for the disease.

Independent of known risk factors, nonseminoma risk was particularly high among men who used the drug at least once a week and among those who had started using it before age 18.

Though Daling emphasized that the findings are preliminary, she suggested that attention should be paid.

"We know very little about the long-term health consequences of marijuana smoking," she cautioned. "So, although this is the first time this association has been studied and found -- and the finding does need to be replicated before we are really sure what's going on -- this does give some evidence that testicular cancer may be one result from the frequent use of marijuana. And that is something that young people should keep in mind."

But the prospect of a causal relationship between marijuana use and testicular cancer raised a lot of unanswered questions for Gary Schwartz, an associate professor in both the department of cancer biology and the department of epidemiology and prevention at Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem, N.C.

"The consensus is that most testicular cancer is thought to originate with lesions in utero, and that the peak age for testicular cancer to actually occur begins, really, right after adolescence," he noted. "That's when hormones released during puberty appear to promote [full-blown] cancer by essentially throwing fuel on the lesion fire, following a relatively long latency. The point being that you don't suddenly wake up one morning with a tumor. So it's a little hard to understand how exposure to marijuana beginning at that point could somehow play an immediate causal role."

"But certainly, the idea that cannabis may cause cancer cells to proliferate is interesting," Schwartz acknowledged. "It could, however, also be that recreational drug use is simply a marker for affluence, since we know that testicular cancer is traditionally a disease that is more common among the affluent. Or it could be a marker for some other event that comes along with it, that triggers lesions that lead to tumors. So, at this point, it's just not clear to me how exactly the association between marijuana and testicular cancer would work."

SOURCES: Janet Daling, Ph.D., epidemiologist, public health sciences division, Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, Seattle; Gary Schwartz, Ph.D., associate professor, departments of cancer biology and epidemiology and prevention, Wake Forest University, Winston-Salem, N.C.; Feb. 9, 2009, Cancer, online

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=97529

[90_ACCORD]

nut cancer.
well im definitly not gonna be smoking. I would rather have my nuts.

[G.C]

Getting head is illegal??

[canadianrcis]

time to light up.

[winterkvlt]

Nobody cares, potheads are dumb, and it's still illegal. Boo hoo.

Moving on...

You're right. There isn't a single "pothead" that is smart.

http://www.veryimportantpotheads.com/branson.htm

I guess the owner of Virgin airlines, records, mobile, Virgin Galactic (space travel), Virgin Money and credited Financial Times award winner is just some dumb ass stoner after all...

[thecrazyone]

200 people who have smoked pot....

1.) Barack Obama. El Presidente de Los Estados Unidos!

2.) Bill Clinton “…but I didn’t inhale.” Fomer U.S. President!

3.) Bill Murray. Yep, everyone’s favorite actor was arrested for possession.

4.) Paris Hilton. Socialite. Night Vision Porn-Star.

5.) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Basketball star

6. George W Bush Politician and professional hypocrite.
7. John F Kennedy. Politician.
8. Steve Jobs, co-creator of the Apple computer.
9. Queen Victoria.
10. Bruce Lee.
11. Aaron Sorkin, creator of ”The West Wing”.
12. Art Garfunkel , singer, Simon and Garfunkel.
13. Abbie Hoffman, Activist.
14. Al and Tipper Gore Politicians
15. Aleister Crowley, Author and Famous Satanist.
16. Alexander Dumas, Author - “The Three Musketeers”
17. Ali Campbell, Singer with UB40
18. Alice B. Toklas. Famous Cook - Wrote recipe for Hash Fudge Filmed as. ‘I Love You Alice B. Toklas’
19. Allen Ginsberg, Poet. Andrea Corr, musician, “The Corrs”. Anjelica Huston, Actress. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Actor. “I did smoke a joint and I did inhale.”
20. Art Garfunkel. Singer of, “Simon and Garfunkel” fame.
21. Arthur Rimbaud.
22. Balzac.
23. Beatles.
24. Bill Gates. Not confirmed, just very strongly hinted at in his Playboy interview.
25. Bing Crosby. Famous crooner of “I’m dreaming of a White Christmas”. Now the Film “High Society” makes sense!
26. Bix Beiderbecke Jazz musician.
27. Black Crowes, musicians
28. Bob Denver, Star of “Gilligan’s Island”.
29. Bob Dylan, musician.
30. Bob Marley, musician
31. Burt Reynolds, actor. He left his first wife because of her drug use. But he has been seen in Cannabis Cafes.
32. Cab Calloway, Jazz musician. Claimed he only used it once.
33. Carl Sagan, Scientist - SiFi writer - film “Contact” More info here.
34. Carlos Santana musician.
35. Carrie Fischer, Actress
36. Charlie Sheen, actor.
37. Charlize Theron, Actress.
38. Charles Beaudelaire, Author.
39. Cheech Marin, Actor
40. Chris Conrad, Author and expert on Cannabis Hemp
41. Chris Farley. Comedian.
42. Chrissie Hynde, musician.
43. Chris Rock, Actor, Comedian, Producer, Screenwriter.
44. Chubby Checker, Musician. Sang; “Lets Twist Again”.
45. Cilla Black, Musician and presenter.
46. Claire Rayner, Agony Aunt.
47. Cody Kasch Actor. TV series Desperate Housewives
48. Conan O’Brian TV Host
49. Count Basie, Jazz Ban Leader
50. Dame Margot Fonteyn, Prima ballerina.
51. David Bailey, Photographer .
52. Dan Quayle . Politician.
53. David Hockney, Artist.
54. Diego Rivera Mexican Artist
55. Dion Fortune Welsh occultist.
56. Dionne Warwick, Famous singer of “Walk on by”.
57. Dioscorides Pedanius, 1 st cent. AD. Greek physician. Wrote ‘De Materia Medica’, used for 1,500 years.
58. Dizzy Gillespie, Jazz musician
59. Dr Francis Crick. Nobel Prize winner.
60. Dr Lester Grinspoon.
61. Dr R.D.Laing
62. Dr W.B. O’Shaugnessy Re-introduced cannabis to European medicine.
63. Drew Barrymore, actress.
64. Duke Ellington, Jazz Band Leader.
65. Elliott Gould. Actor.
66. Eminem, musician.
67. Emperor Liu Chi-nu, made medical recomendation for its use.
68. Emperor Shen-Nung, made first known medical recommendation for its use.
69. Errol Flynn, Actor
70. Evelyn Waugh. Author.
71. Francis Ford Coppella, Film Director.
72. Frances McDormand , Actress
73. Fats Waller, musician.
74. Fitz Hugh Ludlow - wrote ‘The Hasheesh Eater’.
75. Francois Rabelais. 16 th French author
76. Friedrich Nietzsche, Used it as a medicine.
77. Gary Johnson. Governor of New Mexico - Reformer.
78. Gene Krupa, Jazz musician.
79. George Gurdjieff , Russian Mystic.
80. George Melly, Jazz musician.
81. George Soros, Financier and reformer.
82. George Washington , grew it and there is evidence that he prepared it for smoking.
83. Gerard de Nerval French writer
84. Graham Greene, Author.
85. Grateful Dead musicians.
86. Harrison Ford, Actor.
87. Howard Marks. Ex-smuggler and Raconteur.
88. H R H Prince Harry, Third in line to the British throne.
89. H R H Princess Margaret, sister to Her Majesty the Queen.
90. Howard Stern
91. Hua T’o Medical use as anaesthetic .
92. Hunter S. Thompson, Author
93. Isabel Allende, Chilean author. Mentioned in her book “Paula”.
94. Jack Kerouac, Author
95. Jack Nicholson, actor.
96. Jackie Gleason, actor. Another whom the DEA kept on their pot files.
97. James Brown, musician
98. Janis Joplin, musician.
99. Jane Fonda, Actress.
100. Jennifer Aniston, actress.
101. Jennifer Capriati, Tennis champ.
102. Jesse Ventura, Governor of Minnesota.
103. Jim Morrison, musician.
104. Jimmy Dorsey, Jazz musician,
105. Jimmy Hendrix, musician
106. Joan of Arc, was accused of using witch herbs (another name cannabis).
107. John Belushi, actor.
108. John Denver, musician. He recorded a song about it.
109. John Kerry . Politician. US Senator
110. John Lennon. musician.
111. John Le Mesurier. Actor.
112. John Wayne, Actor, “I tried it once but it didn’t do anything to me.”
113. Jonathan Miller, Theatre Director.
114. Johnny Cash, musician.
115. Jon Snow, Channel 4 News presenter. (UK)
116. Julia Roberts, Actress,
117. Kary Mullis, Nobel Laurate, Biology.
118. Ken Kesey, Author
119. Kenneth Tynan, Playwright.
120. Kurt Cobain, musician.
121. Larry Hagman, actor, of “JR” fame.
122. Led Zeppelin, musicians.
123. Lenny Bruce, Comedian.
124. Lewis Carroll, Author
125. Lewis Wolpert, biologist.
126. Little Richard, musician.
127. Louis Armstrong, Jazz musician.
128. Luke Perry, actor.
129. Louis Hebert, French Botanist
130. Macaulay Culkin. Actor, Home Alone.
131. Mark Stepnoski. two-time Super Bowl champ, Dallas Cowboy.
132. Mick Jagger, musician
133. Mike Bloomberg. New York City Mayor.
134. Mike Tyson, Boxer.
135. Miles Davis, Jazz musician.
136. Milton Berle, Actor
137. Mo Mowlam, Minister
138. Modigliani. Sculptor.
139. Montel Williams Chat show host.
140. Montgomery Clift, actor
141. Neil Diamond, musician.
142. Neil Young, Musician.
143. Newt Gingrich Speaker of the US Senate.
144. Norman Mailer, Author.
145. Oasis, Noel Gallagher
146. Oliver Stone, Film Director.
147. Oscar Wilde, Author.
148. Pablo Picasso, Artist.
149. Pancho Villa, Revolutionary Leader.
150. Peregrine Worthstone, former editor of the Sunday Telegraph.
151. Peter Fonda, actor.
152. Peter Sellers, actor.
153. Peter Tosh, Poet.
154. Pierre Elliot Trudeau, Former Prime Minister of Canada.
155. Pink. Musician. Mentioned in Playboy interview (11/02).
156. Pink Floyd, Musicians.
157. P. J. O’Rouke. Author.
158. Ram Dass, Philosopher.
159. Ray Charles, musician.
160. Richard Feynman, Nobel Prize Laureate physicist.
161. Richard Pryor, actor.
162. Robert Anton Wilson. Philosopher .
163. Robert Mitchum, Actor, was jailed in the 40s for possession of marijuana.
164. Rolling Stones, musicians.
165. Ross Rebagliati, first ever snowboarding Gold Medallist, 1998 Winter Olympics.
166. Rudolf Nureyev, Ballet dancer. Also see entry for Margot Fonteyn.
167. Rudyard Kipling . Author.
168. Ryan Farrell, Australian Sprint Car champion.
169. Salvador Dali, Artist.
170. Samuel Beckett, Author.
171. Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Author.
172. Sinead O’Connor, musician.
173. Sir Paul McCartney, Musician.
174. Sir Mick Jagger, Musician.
175. Snoop Dogg, musician.
176. Steve Martin , Actor.
177. Stephen King. Author.
178. Steven Soderbergh, Film director.
179. Stephen Sondheim. Broadway composer and lyricist.
180. Sting / Gordon Sumners, musician.
181. Ted Turner, of CNN fame.
182. Terence McKenna.
183. Terry Pratchett. Author of the “Diskworld” books.
184. The Who, musicians.
185. Thelonious Monk, Jazz musician.
186. Timothy Leary
187. Tomas Enge, Formula 3000 World Champion.
188. Tommy Chong. Actor
189. Tommy Lee, Musician.
190. Tony Booth, the father-in-law of Britain’s Prime Minister.
191. UB40, Band.
192. Victor Hugo. Author ‘Les Misérables’
193. Walter ‘Stumpy’ Brennan actor.
194. Walter Benjamin, Philosopher.
195. Wesley Snipes, actor. Has been seen in Cannabis Cafes.
196. Whitney Houston, musician. William Butler Yeats. Famous Irish Poet and Occultist.
197. William S. Burroughs, Author.
198. William Shakespeare. Dramatist. More here.
199. Willie Nelson, musician.
200. Woody Harrelson, Actor and reformer.

[zumolives]

I know right ahahaha.
time to light up.

[Benefit]

ok where can i get some PM ME

[Nang]

:rolleyes:

hmm

[gtrmonkey]

THat list forgot some one very important

Dennis Hopper still smoke pot. He openly admits it. High times life time achievement award.

[stephen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhLiIC4aaUE

[Master Shake]

ahh, shit i was about to say you forgot willy nelson, but you got em at the end.

[soul]

god smoked pot............. how the fuck could you come up with a crazy ass world like this :ninja:











oh god no pun intended, i brought god into this...... no neeed to turn this into a religous debate

[gtrmonkey]

YEs he did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Pretty much everything good has game from pot. United States of AMerica, The internet, I could go on and on.

[zumolives]

import atlanta hahaha:ninja:
YEs he did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Pretty much everything good has game from pot. United States of AMerica, The internet, I could go on and on.

[gtrmonkey]

bump

[Frög]

All you that are against legalizing marijuana, I hope you don't drink alcohol:

[Bruce Leroy]

All you that are against legalizing marijuana, I hope you don't drink alcohol:


lol.... My friend always tells me i smoke to much, as he sits and drinks his daily steel reserve

[BanginJimmy]

I posted this in another thread a long time ago.

I believe that weed should be banned, also under the same statutes I think Alcohol and tobacco should be banned.

[Frög]

I posted this in another thread a long time ago.

I believe that weed should be banned, also under the same statutes I think Alcohol and tobacco should be banned.

The prohibition of alcohol increased organized crime to the U.S.

Before alcohol was legal, the illegal money was all profited by mobs.. Mobs got richer, more powerful, and crime increased.. Now that it is taxed, the government profits from it and crime is decreased..

"Crime" not because of violence directly caused by alcohol (because whether it is legal or not, people are still going to drink it and maybe become violent), but the indirect result of it..

Making the alcohol illegal has more negative effect than good, because people are still going to drink no matter what..

Not only does the government not make potential money off alcohol/marijuana, it costs them a fortune to enforce!! All this at what cost? Moral good? No. Societal good? No. I see no advantage of making a euphoric herb illegal..

[Frög]

:goodjob: