Rotas + Track = F.A.I.L

[bigdare23]

I got this from another forum and just wanted to share. (if it's a repost bite me)


How they normally should look:
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/6906/rota0ni9.jpg

After getting some laps:
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9015/rotayu3.jpg

The song 'twist and shout' comes to mind...

Original thread:
http://forums.montrealracing.com/showthread.php?t=602494

[_Christian_]

Lol. I've seen worse disasters from rotas, they're a crap company that capitalizes from rice boys wanting to be "JDM."

[EJ25RUN]

Forged and real quality DONT come to mind.

[Elbow]

Never seen that.

But I do know tons of people tracking Rotas with no issues.

[chico78]

thats not the same wheel. Look at the weights on the inside of the wheels in the two pictures. They dont match up.

[Kyle]

thats not the same wheel. Look at the weights on the inside of the wheels in the two pictures. They dont match up.
Okay. Well there are 4 wheels, ever consider its the same set but different wheels?

Either way you get the point of the thread and what happened.

[chico78]

yeah i considered it..... still looks like a bogus pic to me. jmo

[green91]

Why do i have a feeling there is more to this story than is being sold? The direction of the bend on the spokes isnt even where the majority of the force would be.

[90_ACCORD]

you really have to much time on your hands if your willing to make bogus stuff like this. im not saying it is fake but you never know

[Andy_013]

ouch!
But if you read through the thread... it says that the "Caliper was not properly torqued. It got loose and hit the back of the spokes which explains the radial and lateral deformations."

http://s8.directupload.net/images/080901/5i2hpoph.jpg

Still.. I'd rather rock my rpf1.

[green91]

See, this is the shit that irritates me. Why be so quick to point a finger and criticize a product if you aren't even going to read the fucking thread. Rotas certainly aren't a high end wheel but many people like myself have used them for YEARS with 0 problems.

[BTLFED]

LOL

[redrumracer]

well hell this is a repost though

[Elbow]

^How do you know everytime a repost is done?!?!

[EJ25RUN]

See, this is the shit that irritates me. Why be so quick to point a finger and criticize a product if you aren't even going to read the fucking thread. Rotas certainly aren't a high end wheel but many people like myself have used them for YEARS with 0 problems.

Well i did read the entire thread and failed to find anyone that was providing facts over unproven theorys. I hate to say it but this is just what i would expect from people buying these parts. I for one believe that a car that will see a race track should not be on a cast wheel.

The only little sense that came from that whole article was the people that said, "i dont care because i dont take my car to the race track"

[Captain-Obvious™]

my rotas ran like a champ for me... 1000 mile trips with hidden and unknown potholes galore and they never bent/broke at all...I even has low pros...so rotas get a :goodjob: in my book

[redrumracer]

^How do you know everytime a repost is done?!?!
lol i have a great memory, as long as its not putting faces to names. lol

[green91]

Well i did read the entire thread and failed to find anyone that was providing facts over unproven theorys. I hate to say it but this is just what i would expect from people buying these parts. I for one believe that a car that will see a race track should not be on a cast wheel.

The only little sense that came from that whole article was the people that said, "i dont care because i dont take my car to the race track"

On a full fledged race car, sure. But I don't see a concern running rotas for occasional track days, solo events, etc on a street driven car. Granted my wheels don't see the constant abuse of a race car, but I've personally ran a set of rotas for many years now, including hundreds of mountain runs with absolutely no problem. These wheels have outlasted at least 6 sets of tires. I have yet to see an example of a Rota just falling off the hub or spokes breaking. Every time one of these Rota bashing threads comes up, people post enough of the pictures to try and make a point but fail to mention that the wheel was left loose, caliper was loose, car got hit in the side etc. The humorous part to me is 90% of the time these threads are made, they are by mugen/volk etc fanboys whose cars rarely see anything other than the drive to work, trying to justify spending money to look cool like japanese youtube videos.

[Elbow]

^I've always seen TONS of track cars on Rotas, even race cars, maybe not 500hp Civics but... Never personally seen one have an issue or known someone who personally has HAD an issue, just these online pics.

[cactusEG]

^How do you know everytime a repost is done?!?!

Mr kid posted this befor...

[bigdare23]

^^^Cool, now the noobs can see it.

Damn rota fanboys came out in full force. LOL


I'm with EJ25RUN on this. Buy your rotas to "stunt" but don't put these these wheels on a high power car and track it. If you invest all of this money on engine upgrades why not spend the money on upgrading wheels?!? What's wrong with reducing your rotational weight?

Then, why when people decide to not waste their money and they get "real" rims they are looked at as a jdm fanboy or just trying to look cool!?! hahahahaha {shakes head}

[green91]

You posted half the story in an effort to get a response, and you got it. Rotas are an upgrade over factory wheels. I certainly wont argue the quality of forged rims, but I can also say that forged wheels would suffer the same fate as cast wheels in 99% of the conditions that these failed rota pictures happened in. Also, cast wheels arent necessarily heavy. For instance, the Rota Circuit 8s are styled after the Mugen MF8. The weight difference between the two is negligible. However the MF8 are very difficult to come across, are last time i saw were around $350 a piece. I hardly see how one wheel could be any more "real" than another though. If someone puts a set of wheels on their car that they like, i dont see how it makes them any less or a person or less capable than anyone else.

[BTLFED]

You posted half the story in an effort to get a response, and you got it. Rotas are an upgrade over factory wheels. I certainly wont argue the quality of forged rims, but I can also say that forged wheels would suffer the same fate as cast wheels in 99% of the conditions that these failed rota pictures happened in. Also, cast wheels arent necessarily heavy. For instance, the Rota Circuit 8s are styled after the Mugen MF8. The weight difference between the two is negligible. However the MF8 are very difficult to come across, are last time i saw were around $350 a piece. I hardly see how one wheel could be any more "real" than another though. If someone puts a set of wheels on their car that they like, i dont see how it makes them any less or a person or less capable than anyone else.

Shut up Chris. :slap: ----------------------->

"FUCK YOUR FAKE WHEELS!" :tongue1: :lmfao:

[green91]

You shut up chris lol. They are round, roll and havent failed me yet.

I'll just go buy a set of Mugens, leave my calipers loose and smash the car into a curb, and then when they break i'll post pictures of how they are junk :gay:

[bigdare23]

You posted half the story in an effort to get a response, and you got it. Rotas are an upgrade over factory wheels. I certainly wont argue the quality of forged rims, but I can also say that forged wheels would suffer the same fate as cast wheels in 99% of the conditions that these failed rota pictures happened in. Also, cast wheels arent necessarily heavy. For instance, the Rota Circuit 8s are styled after the Mugen MF8. The weight difference between the two is negligible. However the MF8 are very difficult to come across, are last time i saw were around $350 a piece. I hardly see how one wheel could be any more "real" than another though. If someone puts a set of wheels on their car that they like, i dont see how it makes them any less or a person or less capable than anyone else.


If I'm not mistaken it was just quoted from another.

And if you believe a forged rim will suffer the same fate as a cast wheel in 99% of the time, then do companies invest in the forging process? Why not save money and cast all rims then, huh? Forging of rims need to stop, because companies are wasting their money. :rolleyes:

And you're right, the mass difference would be based on the design. But stress/density ratio would greatly differ base on the process which really matters the most.

If you you're looking for a particular style and it's discontinued or out of your price range, rota is for you. I don't have a problem with that. I do have problems with people bashing others with that would rather invest in better quality wheels, and when people compare the quality of rotas to higher spec wheels. Don't forget when people try to pass off fakes are reals (which rarely happens now). And you're right green91, rotas aren't "fake" wheels since they are wheels, but they are "fake" in the sense of not being original . So I'm going to stop typing fake and start typing the word knockoffs to describe them. :goodjob:

[DeeAOne]

hey look at it this way, the twist design doesnt look bad. lol

[speedminded]

I got this from another forum and just wanted to share. (if it's a repost bite me)Congratulations, you re-posted a thread from a French Canadian forum re-posted from a German forum. :goodjob:

[Off topic but exactly why I hate bible thumpers...2,000 years and a few languages later they say it's the truth and only the truth, lolol!]

[bigdare23]

Congratulations, you re-posted a thread from a French Canadian forum re-posted from a German forum. :goodjob:

[Off topic but exactly why I hate bible thumpers...2,000 years and a few languages later they say it's the truth and only the truth, lolol!]


Want a cookie for tell the history behind the thread


:rolleyes:

[speedminded]

Want a cookie for tell the history behind the thread


:rolleyes:You passed the bullshit story on, not I. Wasuri, the OP on the French Canadian site, should get a letter from one of Rota's attorney just for not stating the facts as they were originally presented and be required to make a retraction statement and edit the post with the truth...but that won't ever happen and the damage is already done.

As for cast wheels on the race track, what do you think Team Dynamics competition wheels are? Forged wheels for 15" $150 to 19" $250 MSRP each? Not quite! THOUSANDS of club to pro race cars track those wheels every season with zero issues. (Now if you want to get technical you can start comparing the methods of casting: gravity vs. negative pressure, etc but no need to go there)

[green91]

pwned!

[BTLFED]

I'd use Team Dynamics wheels on a track WAY before Rotas.

[BobbyFresco]

Anyone ever notice how the same 3 pics of broken Rota's are the only ones circulating the internet?

My opinion on Rota vs real wheels has changed.
I used to be one of the elitist pricks promoting real wheels blah blah, but at the end of the day, different strokes for different folks.

[alpine_aw11]

Anyone ever notice how the same 3 pics of broken Rota's are the only ones circulating the internet?

My opinion on Rota vs real wheels has changed.
I used to be one of the elitist pricks promoting real wheels blah blah, but at the end of the day, different strokes for different folks.

Well, to many on this site the ugliest piece of shit JDM wheel is better than any Rota. It's because of these dumbass pictures that float around, and the retards that promote the stories. DUDE YOUR ROTAS BROKE WHEN YOU HIT A CURB DOING 80 HAHA SHOULDA GOT VOLKS.

I would eat shit before I picked some stank ass 3 spoke Advans over a set of Slips.

[DunDunSkeert]

Rotas Suck

Here is proof. Here's 8 cases of Rota failure on just one website.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1455072 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1455072)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...93&postcount=1 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=21220493&postcount=1)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=142 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19955497&postcount=142)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...9&postcount=20 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16017299&postcount=20)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...58&postcount=1 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12620058&postcount=1)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...77&postcount=1 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9596777&postcount=1)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...53&postcount=1 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4929153&postcount=1)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...23&postcount=1 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=20035123&postcount=1)


Ya I told you so...
Why would you buy Rotas:thinking::no:

[green91]

Did you not actually read any of those threads? Most of them have mention of hitting potholes, debris and curbs. I see OEM & BBS wheels come into work all the time cracked from the same sorts of damage.

[mushroom_toy]

Any wheel can break depending on what circumstance it goes through.

http://www.sandsmuseum.com/cars/elise/experience/diary/jan07/brokenwheel.jpg

http://www.rallytales.net/WildWest05/Fragged2.jpg

Volk:
http://www.acuraworld.com/forums/attachments/f46/19937d1118609139-issues-hre-wheels-hrea.jpg
http://www.e34s.de/Bilder/am2004/Sunday/DSC_1709.JPG
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3011/2568792103_82119a2c5d.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3063/2640361753_bb555115aa.jpg?v=0
http://www.patriciaahenisse.com/sitebuilder/images/broken_tire-sharp_b_w-325x215.jpg

[bigdare23]

You are 100% mushroom toy! If the original wheel has an ultimate strength of 700MPa and the fake, I mean knockoff, wheel has an ultimate strength of 300MPa, and you apply a pressure of 1000ksi, then more than likely both wheels are going to break. But, I will still rather take my chances with the companies that actually took the time out to try to increase the yield and ultimate strength of the material. ;)

[bigdare23]

You passed the bullshit story on, not I. Wasuri, the OP on the French Canadian site, should get a letter from one of Rota's attorney just for not stating the facts as they were originally presented and be required to make a retraction statement and edit the post with the truth...but that won't ever happen and the damage is already done.

As for cast wheels on the race track, what do you think Team Dynamics competition wheels are? Forged wheels for 15" $150 to 19" $250 MSRP each? Not quite! THOUSANDS of club to pro race cars track those wheels every season with zero issues. (Now if you want to get technical you can start comparing the methods of casting: gravity vs. negative pressure, etc but no need to go there)

:rolleyes:

So you want to compare a wheel company that has hours of R/D behind each wheel to a company that makes a living by mass producing replicas of every proper and rare wheel developed. Come on, be for real. Yeah, you are right Team Dynamics used casting for years, but if I'm not mistaken their wheels where pretty heavy. They were not trying to use casting to make light weight wheels like Rota, Konig, and alot of other companies that uses casting to clone wheels. They were actually increasing the density of the wheels to help increase the strength of the wheels. So basically my point is casting is not a replacement for forging. If you're going to clone a wheel that was originally forge cool, atleast add some more than material to make up of lose of integrity.

[FlipKing]

I rode on Rota Slips 15" and those wheels were light, and tough, never had any trouble and doubt I could break them if I tried

[BKgen®]

^I've always seen TONS of track cars on Rotas, even race cars, maybe not 500hp Civics but... Never personally seen one have an issue or known someone who personally has HAD an issue, just these online pics.

I've personally heard of more people having problems with HRE's than Rotas on the track -- A wheel clearly worth quite a bit more dough. Certain HRE's are even banned for several tracks/events. The only difference is that HRE isn't ripping off JDM wheel designs -- probably why the JDM fanboys get their panties in a bunch and make such a big deal about Rotas. Every wheel company has horror stories, sans maybe BBS and CCW.

[Doppelgänger]

I've seen more Team Dynamic and BBS wheels crack then any other brand.

But I still love how people try to bash a company that has been around for nearly 30 years and has not been making "knock offs" for all of that time. Sure, you make 5 billion sets of wheels and you'll find some that fail, especially in the hands of people thrashing the living sh!t out of them. When I worked for BBS, I saw MANY sets of high end wheels AND cast wheels come in with cracked spokes....so I guess they're all crap too. I've beat the living sh!t out of a few sets of Rotas with no problems. Fuck, I rolled a car with a set of Rotas on and 2 of them had lightly bent lips that were rather repairable.

Call me dumb, but if anything were to happen to one of my wheels, i'd rather be able to call up a vendor and have a wheel at my door in 3 days rather than waiting a month for some high-end wheel to be made and sent from Japan. I have had several sets of "real deal" wheels.... so don't think i've always been a inexpensive bastard. Hell, in my garage you'll find 1 set of Enkei NT-03+M, 1 set SSR competition, 1 set Racing Harts, 1 set of Rota subzeros with slicks for track days and 1 set of Rota D2s purely for style.

The best par of this thread are the people bitching that their wheels are broken after smashing the sh!t out of them on a curb or something. :lmfao:
6 of those links had absolutly no argument to poor quality, 1 was somewhat questionable and the other had no pics...rendering it null and void.

[chico78]

Why the fork are people getting so worked up about this?! Who gives a crap? Im gonna go out and get some knockoffs of Rota's! They sell them on ebay. I believe they are called Nippon? Would that mean the my wheels are Fake Fake wheels?! lol. Why dont yall look at the positive part of this whole thing? Who gives a shit if your wheel breaks when you hit something or abuse them? What did you expect? I'd rather my cheap ass "fake" wheels break instead of pricey suspension components. Oh ok, so you want to say that your factory wheels didnt break when you slammed them into a curb, they just bent..............WTF?! How is that any better? You still have to replace them regardless. So it looks like "fake wheels" ftw.

[FlipKing]

I loved my slips. Imho Rota slips are good cheap solid wheels. they will deal with most things you throw at them. i was hard as hell on my Rotas(I had 4 blown shocks so the wheels to some beatings) and Never had any bending or cracking what so ever.

[green91]

I love it when a thread backfires.

[bigdare23]

I love it when a thread backfires.

:thinking:

Exactly how did it backfire? Oh because a group of rota fanboys came to the defense of almighty rotas. Be for real :rolleyes: Enjoy you lesser quality, none original wheel, and I'll keep supporting the people who actually put the time and effort to come up with something original and strong :goodjob:

[alpine_aw11]

:thinking:

Exactly how did it backfire? Oh because a group of rota fanboys came to the defense of almighty rotas. Be for real :rolleyes: Enjoy you lesser quality, none original wheel, and I'll keep supporting the people who actually put the time and effort to come up with something original and strong :goodjob:

Nobody is saying rotas are the best wheels. The point is, every single case of Rotas being fucked up has either been very suspicious or the owner was a fucking tard. Yes, Volks are nicer. Yes, a college kid with no money buying Volks is fucking stupid. Not all of us put the rims on our car at the highest priority. For someone on a low budget, Rotas are a good lightweight wheel that won't empty the bank account. I'm about to buy some TE37 ripoffs. Volk isn't losing my business because I think paying that much money for a set of rims right now would be one of the dumbest things I have ever done. I don't care if anyone gives me shit about them being fake, I'll actually be able to afford gas while those JDM nuthuggers are mowing lawns trying to pay off their gay-DM tight rims. Hopefully I will get a nice set of BBS/Volk rims someday, but until it's in the budget, fuck it. Rotas for me.

[MR.EM1]

:thinking:

Exactly how did it backfire? Oh because a group of rota fanboys came to the defense of almighty rotas. Be for real :rolleyes: Enjoy you lesser quality, none original wheel, and I'll keep supporting the people who actually put the time and effort to come up with something original and strong :goodjob:


College kids/students/young folk with shit jobs

Rotas > Volks/rays/advan

[Andy_013]

College kids/students/young folk with shit jobs

Rotas > Volks/rays/advan
not true!!! I'm a college kid with a crappy job and I have enkei on my car.
The problem is that ppl don't want to wait for good deals, they want new rims ask soon as they get their car.

[Sammich]

well hell this is a repost though
x2 i posted this original thread.../failure soon

[bigdare23]

College kids/students/young folk with shit jobs

Rotas > Volks/rays/advan


I'm young and in college and I rock both Mugens and SSRs. So what's you point? :thinking: According to your rationale I should be on rocking Rotas...

[bigdare23]

The problem is that ppl don't want to wait for good deals, they want new rims ask soon as they get their car.

I agree with you 100%

Everyone is in a rush so they car "stunt" at the varsity. I hear it every month, "Man I'm not going to the varsity unless my wheels come in" :lmfao: Overall the car scene in Atlanta is a lost cause. That's why I love it when people like ATLTSX, Bucky, DO, EJ_Allmotor, turbosohc2k, Random Hero, Gah, It's Too Hard, and NAIZBST (just to name a few) post pics of their cars. It reminds me that there are still people actually doing it big in the "scene"

[green91]

Well I must thank you then for being such a shining example of originality and doing it big for the Atlanta car scene by having forged wheels.

[KevinT707]

That's why I love it when people like ATLTSX, Bucky, DO, EJ_Allmotor, turbosohc2k, Random Hero, Gah, It's Too Hard, and NAIZBST (just to name a few) post pics of their cars. It reminds me that there are still people actually doing it big in the "scene"
And you just named every person that mostly (only) cares about looking good & driving around being pretty. Where's the respect for the people out there to have very respectable track (drift, drag, auto-x/road race) cars? There are a few of them I could name but I would definitely say they are also "doing it big in the scene too".

Anywho, back to subject, argue about Rotas & Mugens again.

[bigdare23]

And you just named every person that mostly (only) cares about looking good & driving around being pretty. Where's the respect for the people out there to have very respectable track (drift, drag, auto-x/road race) cars? There are a few of them I could name but I would definitely say they are also "doing it big in the scene too".

Anywho, back to subject, argue about Rotas & Mugens again.


Actually most of the people I named have decent swaps and/or boosted...

[wantboost]

Actually most of the people I named have decent swaps and/or boosted...
and park it.... hard....
:D

[alpine_aw11]

I do remember a guy posting up his 900+ hp Eclipse that he dragged on a set of Slips with no problems at all.......

[Sport1.3]

holy repost

[wantboost]

I do remember a guy posting up his 900+ hp Eclipse that he dragged on a set of Slips with no problems at all.......
I have had mugen, volk, rota, sportmax, and guess what.... they all roll the same. i dont want to leave $2000 worth of wheels alone in some parking lot...

different strokes....

[osiriskidd]

I have had mugen, volk, rota, sportmax, and guess what.... they all roll the same. i dont want to leave $2000 worth of wheels alone in some parking lot...

different strokes....

rock chips, potholes, debris will all fuq up that pretty $3k volks just like they'll fuq up $1k rotas.

[slow_hatch]

and park it.... hard....
:D

I lol'd :goodjob: :D

[BobbyFresco]

The argument can be made in either direction, for any number of reasons.
Some ppl just can't justify spending what they deem too much money on wheels while some ppl enjoy the admiration and jocking that comes from flaunting a set of real deal wheels. Some ppl believe in the you get what you pay for creedo, which doesn't apply to everything, all the time. It's all subjective.

Like I stated in my previous post, I was one of those who advocated for higher line wheels and against the knock offs, or those of lesser brand name, but my opinion has changed.

With ppl getting their cars stolen left and right and with no security measure being 100% effective, spending what most would consider ridiculous money on a set of wheels that could be lost due to theft and or a traffic collision in the blink of an eye, isn't what one would consider a smart investment.

Also, think of it this way: The more fake wheels are rocked, your real deal wheels become that much more "special".

To each his or her own.

My question is... are the real deal wheels being used or just part of a showpiece, so to speak, and why are you buying the real deal wheels?
To impress all the nuthuggers online or for your own personal reasons?

[green91]

its because honda-tech says jdm fronts and mugen wheels are cool

[chameleon30038]

Rotas Suck

Here is proof. Here's 8 cases of Rota failure on just one website.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1455072 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1455072)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...93&postcount=1 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=21220493&postcount=1)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=142 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19955497&postcount=142)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...9&postcount=20 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16017299&postcount=20)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...58&postcount=1 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12620058&postcount=1)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...77&postcount=1 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9596777&postcount=1)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...53&postcount=1 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4929153&postcount=1)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...23&postcount=1 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=20035123&postcount=1)


Ya I told you so...
Why would you buy Rotas:thinking::no:

these are horrible examples....i've been in the wheel business for some years and if you hit a pothole etc hard enough you can crack a wheel regardless if a rota, hre, volk, work, etc. Not to mention some those examples were from cars in accidents....I don't care about rotas but the examples you gave were just pretty crappy.

[BobbyFresco]

This is just my opinion but hardparking is just as bad as buying "fake" wheels to fake the funk.

[89preludesi]

I personally dont give a damn if people hate on rotas or not becasue guess what ........ my ROTA JMAGS ARE SEXY AS FUCK (to me i dont care if you like them or not its my shit yo) and im proud to be a rota "fanboy" !!!!!!!! check them lol :D:goodjob:

[KevinT707]

and park it.... hard....
:D
:goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:


I personally dont give a damn if people hate on rotas or not becasue guess what ........ my ROTA JMAGS ARE SEXY AS FUCK !!!!!!!! check them lol :D:goodjob:
Don't nobody care bout your JMAGS, anywho back on subject :gay:

Continue argument on JDM tyte original wheels Vs. Rota knockoffs ..

[89preludesi]

:goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:


Don't nobody care bout your JMAGS, anywho back on subject :gay:

Continue argument on JDM tyte original wheels Vs. Rota knockoffs ..


Ole Gregg does http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj91/jdub90/old-gregg-1.jpg

[chico78]

doggon stupid wheel thread

[matthewAPM]

did yall say something about rota being bad track wheels??

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8463/rotaposterkq9.jpg
http://og-made.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/rotamotivation.jpg

[chico78]

here we go again....... :doh:
did yall say something about rota being bad track wheels??

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8463/rotaposterkq9.jpg
http://og-made.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/rotamotivation.jpg

[P-town-zenki]

intense

[green91]

did yall say something about rota being bad track wheels??



seriously, have you not read anything in this thread? :( :( :( :(

[DinanM3atl]

Those last 2 wheel failures have to have some sort of story. I have never seen an OEM BMW wheel fail like that... Well until a brake caliper bolt broke and the caliper flew around in the wheel and destroyed the wheel.

That looks like abuse and damage on those last 2. All spoke suddenly exploding like that? I have seen some wheel failures but that looks like something else happened. Maybe dropped a wheel off into a rut?

[DunDunSkeert]

Did you not actually read any of those threads? Most of them have mention of hitting potholes, debris and curbs. I see OEM & BBS wheels come into work all the time cracked from the same sorts of damage.
UMMM...:headslap::surrender
Sorry guys that was pretty ignorant to post that before reading them. Sometimes I'm just too lazy. I agree that any rim can get destroyed from hitting a curb, pothole, etc. But I sure have seen a lot of pictures of destroyed ROTAs. Then again it is also true that they are very popular.
Then again I would much rather have a wheel bend than break. And I sure have seen a lot of broken Rotas. So find me a bunch of pictures of broken non-rotas.
Again sorry guys.

[bigdare23]

its because honda-tech says jdm fronts and mugen wheels are cool

:blah:

Yeah back in 2002

Now it's all about low offsets and slamming your car on the ground :rolleyes:


(You dont have to beat around the bush, you could just post my screenname in you post, since I and you know all your post are directed to me :goodjob: )

[hondaman050]

damn my buudy has the same wheels

[FasTech]

My opinion on this matter is, I'm not going to spend $500+ on some Rota's when I can get a set of "Real" rims for another $500. Maybe less if you find a good deal.

[green91]

(You dont have to beat around the bush, you could just post my screenname in you post, since I and you know all your post are directed to me :goodjob: )

Sure, i think a lot of them are toward you, and the general JDM fanboy mentality. I just don't understand what your point is most of the time. You make threads like this one, spreading half-truths to try and spin your view. Are rotas the highest quality wheel? No. People put wheels on their cars that they like. You've made other threads bashing OEM wheels yet you spend tons of money on JDM oem front ends + paint. You make a point to brag about a b16 at every chance and frown upon anyone that tries something that's not mainstream. You complain about the Atlanta car scene being stale, yet you yourself seem to be locked into a honda-tech formed mold. Sometimes it just feels like you make it a point to bash anything thats not of your taste rather than embracing different ideas. The open mindedness of most EF owners has always been one of my favorite parts of the chassis and crowd. Don't take this as hate, as i still respect you. I just wish you would open your mind and appreciate the different views and ideas of other people rather than coming across so condescending. After all, if everyone had a JDM front and Mugen wheels, who would take pictures of them anymore?

/RANT

BTW, my car isnt slammed or rocks low offset wheels

[BTLFED]

Sure, i think a lot of them are toward you, and the general JDM fanboy mentality. I just don't understand what your point is most of the time. You make threads like this one, spreading half-truths to try and spin your view. Are rotas the highest quality wheel? No. People put wheels on their cars that they like. You've made other threads bashing OEM wheels yet you spend tons of money on JDM oem front ends + paint. You make a point to brag about a b16 at every chance and frown upon anyone that tries something that's not mainstream. You complain about the Atlanta car scene being stale, yet you yourself seem to be locked into a honda-tech formed mold. Sometimes it just feels like you make it a point to bash anything thats not of your taste rather than embracing different ideas. The open mindedness of most EF owners has always been one of my favorite parts of the chassis and crowd. Don't take this as hate, as i still respect you. I just wish you would open your mind and appreciate the different views and ideas of other people rather than coming across so condescending. After all, if everyone had a JDM front and Mugen wheels, who would take pictures of them anymore?

/RANT

BTW, my car isnt slammed or rocks low offset wheels

I'm a very old school EF owner and I hate you all. :ninja:

[green91]

I'm a very old school EF owner and I hate you all. :ninja:

Who are you again??? :crazy: :crazy:

[BTLFED]

Who are you again??? :crazy: :crazy:

Your daddy. :ninja:

[bigdare23]

Aiight homie


Sure, I think a lot of them are toward you, and the general JDM fanboy mentality. I just don't understand what your point is most of the time. You make threads like this one, spreading half-truths to try and spin your view.

1st, This is a discussion forum, so why not have a discussion on a topic that is plaguing the originality of the import scene.

2nd, It's not against the rules to post my opinion on the internet. I hate the fact that rota sacrificed originality to make a buck. Don't like my opinion cool, debate or leave.

3rd, I actually just quoted that post form another forum just for shits and giggles, hence the thread's name. I didn't think a wheel would yield like that due to hitting caliper (yeah, I already knew the reason behind the problem ;) ) Plus, I didn't even post anything besides "I got this from another forum and just wanted to share." Then BAM rota fanboys to the rescue.




Are rotas the highest quality wheel? No. People put wheels on their cars that they like. You've made other threads bashing OEM wheels yet you spend tons of money on JDM oem front ends + paint.

Cool, you like a rim save up and get the original. Can't find it? Look a little harder. Can't afford them? Save a little longer. Once you finally get them, it makes it soooo much sweeter because you actually put an effort into your build. That's my mentality and that's why I love and appreciate my car soooo much. You don't really see the love and pain behind the builds anymore. All you see is people rushing and building half ass "ebay" cars using cheap parts.

As for oem rims... My biggest problem with them is, I see them as a waste to buy. I would rather see someone pay $450 for a set of rota's then some GSR blades. What can I say, bout time you pay $300 for a set of Si's with 30% trend life on the tires, then you buy a decent set of tires, you could of gotten atleast a set of rota's or could of saved slightly more and gotten some decent wheels. Also, I dislike a lot of the OEM rockers' atittude toward other people cars. If you actually read my "oem rim bashing" thread, you would of caught the original reason behind it. It was because a bunch of OEM rocking, ebay coilovers riding chumps where actually bashing someone picture thread when their cars were basically stock. How can you bash someone who's car is freshly painted and has a nice set of wheels, when you drive a beater with curved fat fives? :rolleyes:




You make a point to brag about a b16 at every chance and frown upon anyone that tries something that's not mainstream.

I brag about my b16? :lmfao: Dude, be for real. What you consider "bragging" is just me messing around with my friends. I am actually friends in real life with majority of the people that post up in the EF Squad. Do I think b16 are the greatest Honda motor ever made? Yep. Why? Definitely not because of it’s torque or horsepower, but because this motor was cutting edge at it’s prime and led the way for GSR’s, Type R’s, and the current K’s. That’s why I defend the motor when you and the rest of the other anti-DOHC or anti-VTEC people bash the motor. Also, I don’t frown upon anyone that’s going to be different. I state the truth. If you are trying to build a N/A beast and you are using a LS or any D-series motor, I’m going to tell you that you are wasting time. Not because I’m bashing, its because it’s proven. Cool, you want to be different high five, but why wasting your time and money recreating the wheel. Don’t like my opinion cool, I don’t care.




You complain about the Atlanta car scene being stale, yet you yourself seem to be locked into a honda-tech formed mold.Sometimes it just feels like you make it a point to bash anything thats not of your taste rather than embracing different ideas.

LOL, you make these claims like you really know me. I have less than 400post on that site even tho I been a member on there since the early 2000s. I actually hate most of the styles that come from Cali (since that's H-T's homeland). 0 offset rims on a honda = bullshit, slamming your car to the ground = not functional. So how am I locked on a "mold" that I don't even like? What I do like about honda-tech is people actually taking the time to "build" car's rather than throw them together over night. When they want something they actually get it, rather than settling. You act like I bash on everyone. I actually never really bash anyone car unless they are a jackass. If you look at the Car Pic section, you would actually see defending a lot of people that are getting bashed or giving my true opinion on car's rather than saying what everyone else is saying. For an example, if you are rocking 17's on your eg, Import Atlanta's generic response is "Those rims are too big". Not mines, I would actually judge the car based on the look even tho that's not my style. So I don't see why you think I bash everything that not my style.




The open mindedness of most EF owners has always been one of my favorite parts of the chassis and crowd. Don't take this as hate, as i still respect you. I just wish you would open your mind and appreciate the different views and ideas of other people rather than coming across so condescending.

Even if you don’t think so, I am very open minded. I have been in the game since I before I started driving. I did OEM, Rice, JDM, SOHC, and now DOHC. I did it all. I wasted a lot of money by taking short cuts and went down a lot of dead ends. That’s why I have the mind set I do now. I hate wasting money and not being happy with the results. That’s why I preach what I do. Because I been there, done that, and learned. So if you are trying to making a quick N/A d-series cool. But when you say I’m going to make a 200hp N/A d-series, then I’m going to tell you my opinion. If you say I’m going to beat Type R’s all day, I’m going to give you a reality check. That’s just me. Is that stuff possible, true. Is it likely, nawww.

I guess after learning so much about the difficulties of the patents process, I learned to appreciate original ideas. So if someone spent the time to research and develop something, I’m going to buy that rather the cheaper copy.


Green91, we might never see eye to eye, but I respect you, your car, and you skills. Personally, I would like you to continue to contribute to the EF Squad. People like you, Jfrolang, StraightSix, and myself are actually needed to continue to guide those EF noobs the right way, so hopefully you don’t take this debate or any other one we had to heart, because at the end, it’s all just the internet…

[Echonova]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x249/Echonova1/explodinghead.jpg

[mushroom_toy]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x249/Echonova1/explodinghead.jpg

I agree.

[Papa_Smurf]

dare you're a b16 fan boy who has to have everything jdm.

i'll put down 5 double cheese burgers says my zc will beat you. know you it's a vtec killa!

[speedminded]

3rd, I actually just quoted that post form another forum just for shits and giggles, hence the thread's name. I didn't think a wheel would yield like that due to hitting caliper (yeah, I already knew the reason behind the problem ;) ) Plus, I didn't even post anything besides "I got this from another forum and just wanted to share." Then BAM rota fanboys to the rescue.You're full of shit. If that was the case then you would have titled it Track + Idiot Mechanic = F.A.I.L.. If you knew it would end up as bigdare23 + anti budget wheel mentality = I.D.I.O.T. then you wouldn't have posted it. You can blame Charlize Theron as much as you can blame Rota for what happened to that wheel.

I had $1,400+ into the suspension on my Integra, not counting strut or sway bars yet I ran on Rota's with Falken Azenis. You hit a pot hole or one of Atlanta's famous surprise road plates hard enough you're going to bend or break a wheel, doesn't matter what it cost or what it's made of. To save a few pounds it's not worth the hundred's of extra dollars. On the track where tenths of a second per lap are important then shedding weight is.

I crewed for a Honda Challenge team that had OVER $1,400 EACH CORNER in suspension in each of the cars and we ran Team Dynamics, Kosei K1's, and SSR Comps with Hoosier slicks. Other than the SSR's the tires alone were worth nearly double what the wheels cost. The Team Dynamics performed just as well as the SSR Comps, didn't look as nice but performance is the same with marginal difference in weight.

As for as balling wheels and the track, I keep reading HRE has been banned by IMSA and most BMW and Porsche clubs for use on track days. Not positive if the same is for Kenesis or not or how many of the problems were linked to powdercoating.

[bigdare23]

You're full of shit. If that was the case then you would have titled it Track + Idiot Mechanic = F.A.I.L.. If you knew it would end up as bigdare23 + anti budget wheel mentality = I.D.I.O.T. then you wouldn't have posted it. You can blame Charlize Theron as much as you can blame Rota for what happened to that wheel.

I had $1,400+ into the suspension on my Integra, not counting strut or sway bars yet I ran on Rota's with Falken Azenis. You hit a pot hole or one of Atlanta's famous surprise road plates hard enough you're going to bend or break a wheel, doesn't matter what it cost or what it's made of. To save a few pounds it's not worth the hundred's of extra dollars. On the track where tenths of a second per lap are important then shedding weight is.

I crewed for a Honda Challenge team that had OVER $1,400 EACH CORNER in suspension in each of the cars and we ran Team Dynamics, Kosei K1's, and SSR Comps with Hoosier slicks. Other than the SSR's the tires alone were worth nearly double what the wheels cost. The Team Dynamics performed just as well as the SSR Comps, didn't look as nice but performance is the same with marginal difference in weight.

As for as balling wheels and the track, I keep reading HRE has been banned by IMSA and most BMW and Porsche clubs for use on track days. Not positive if the same is for Kenesis or not or how many of the problems were linked to powdercoating.



Well thanks for sharing :goodjob:



I'm done with the thread ;)

[BATMOBL]

I have never seen an OEM BMW wheel fail like that...
prob because OEM BMW Wheels > Rota's

[DinanM3atl]

prob because OEM BMW Wheels > Rota's

Nice selective quote...

Why don't you read what else was said...

Here I made it easy for you AND I bolded it.


Those last 2 wheel failures have to have some sort of story. I have never seen an OEM BMW wheel fail like that... Well until a brake caliper bolt broke and the caliper flew around in the wheel and destroyed the wheel.

That looks like abuse and damage on those last 2. All spoke suddenly exploding like that? I have seen some wheel failures but that looks like something else happened. Maybe dropped a wheel off into a rut?

[ash7]

you really have to much time on your hands if your willing to make bogus stuff like this. im not saying it is fake but you never know

this really isn't the place for this... but DANG 90 Accord... your car has more life than my friends Silverado!

*edit* lift

-jonathan

[Thighs]

i just couldnt justify spending more than half the price of my CAR on a set of wheels. im looking for a set of team dynamics for it right now, in fact. bbs wheels would sure look nice, but my car is worth maybe 2500 AT BEST, so 1500 for a set of wheels? ill pass. especially with the roads around here. i bent the fuck out of 2 stock miata wheels on 50 series tires by hitting one of the good old surprise road plates, i think ill pass on doing the same to a set of bbs rs or similar. team dynamics 1.2s are ALOT cheaper to replace at ~100 a wheel.

[Papa_Smurf]

this really isn't the place for this... but DANG 90 Accord... your car has more life than my friends Silverado!

-jonathan

......:thinking:

you talkin shit jonathan?

[Thighs]

Because I been there, done that, and learned. So if you are trying to making a quick N/A d-series cool. But when you say I’m going to make a 200hp N/A d-series, then I’m going to tell you my opinion. If you say I’m going to beat Type R’s all day, I’m going to give you a reality check. That’s just me. Is that stuff possible, true. Is it likely, nawww.



LOLOL. i have ridden in a car with a mostly stock NA d-series that was door to door with type-rs... it doesnt take much in a car that weighs 1900lbs to keep up with a type r. i/h/e and a chip, and it does exactly what youre saying is unlikely. a 200 hp d in an EF would rape alot of cars that it shouldnt be able to.

[ash7]

......:thinking:

you talkin shit jonathan?

i just thought it was funny looking at his sig, it's higher than stock ride height.

-jonathan

[speedminded]

i just couldnt justify spending more than half the price of my CAR on a set of wheels. im looking for a set of team dynamics for it right now, in fact. bbs wheels would sure look nice, but my car is worth maybe 2500 AT BEST, so 1500 for a set of wheels? ill pass. especially with the roads around here. i bent the fuck out of 2 stock miata wheels on 50 series tires by hitting one of the good old surprise road plates, i think ill pass on doing the same to a set of bbs rs or similar. team dynamics 1.2s are ALOT cheaper to replace at ~100 a wheel.I paid over a grand for my used BBS [w/ tires] going on a $600 car :tongue: Granted it won't quite be a $600 car when I'm done with it lol...or hope not anyways. I will have a set of Team Dynamic 1.2's as beater/autocross/track wheels: 1) Cleaning the BBS wheels with a q-tip is a bitch 2) Aggressive brake pads will destroy a wheel in one event. 3) Slicks suck on the street.

[Papa_Smurf]

i just thought it was funny looking at his sig, it's higher than stock ride height.

-jonathan

ah, got ya :D

[osiriskidd]

:D

[Andy_013]

^^lol

[HatchHero]

lol

[green91]

maybe i'll trade my rotas for some konigs lol

[1SICKLEX]

I've gone from knock-offs (Diablo) to JDM wheels (Weds) all sorts of Lexus OEM wheels and now BBS.

By FAR the BBS wheels are the strongest and I don't see myself buying another brand. Having driven the same roads, tracks etc with the same car (GS 400/430) with different wheels, I KNOW the BBS wheels are worth it and are built to a higher standard.

I do agree wheel failure can happen to ANYONE/ANY WHEEL under certain situations but there is a lesser chance with PROVEN wheels.

I find wheel/Tire choices to be among the worst among people. The other thing I don't get is putting great wheels on your car with crap or average tires. WTF?