IPCC Scientists Caught Producing False Data To Push Global Warming

[Sport1.3]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ipcc-sci...l-warming.html


Climate scientists allied with the IPCC have been caught citing fake data to make the case that global warming is accelerating, a shocking example of mass public deception that could spell the beginning of the end for the acceptance of man-made climate change theories.

On Monday, NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), run by Al Gore’s chief scientific ally, Dr James Hansen, announced that last month was the hottest October on record.

“This was startling,” reports the London Telegraph. “Across the world there were reports of unseasonal snow and plummeting temperatures last month, from the American Great Plains to China, and from the Alps to New Zealand. China’s official news agency reported that Tibet had suffered its “worst snowstorm ever”. In the US, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month, and ranked it as only the 70th-warmest October in 114 years.”

It soon came to light that the data produced by NASA to make the claim, and in particular temperature records covering large areas of Russia, was merely carried over from the previous month. NASA had used temperature records from the naturally hotter month of September and claimed they represented temperature figures in October.

It seems that the only inconvenient truth is the facts.

What makes it even worse is that this nonsense detracts from real environmental issues

[Ran]

People still believe in Global Warming?

[1439/2000]

People still believe in Global Warming?

Especially the democrats. Largest transfer of wealth is happening already because of this shit. I'm for catalytic converters and not wasting shit but not drilling for oil because of global warming and the rest of the shit people believe is rediculous. Electric cars dont have turbos dammit, I will not stand for this.

I'm a GIS (Geographic Information Science) major and we setup the different test sites all over the world for temp change and then put it in maps. The facts are the facts but those DAMN SCIENTISTS that are bought and paid for by people that will profit from Global Warming are the problem. They skew anything. There is a big wave of scientists, like myself, who are doing graduate study and proving it all to be BS. The shit will hit the fan eventually but the general public will believe it to be truth by then. :screwy:

[Sport1.3]

^werd. Its already a household name. Used in movies, tv, radio etc....most ppl already believe in it

[Alan®]

LOL. What do you expect. This coming from the guy who claims he invented the internet when the internet is actually older than him and just about anyone else on this site.

[Buttons]

global warming is real!

[Alan®]

well apparently autumn buys into global warming

notixfordatc (1:04:25 PM): global warming is a sham
alwaysup2sumtyn (1:04:28 PM): i is confused now
notixfordatc (1:04:33 PM): gar
alwaysup2sumtyn (1:04:34 PM): global warming is real!
notixfordatc (1:04:42 PM): no its not
alwaysup2sumtyn (1:04:46 PM): yes it is
alwaysup2sumtyn (1:04:52 PM): i'm taking environmental science
notixfordatc (1:05:01 PM): global warming is bullshit
alwaysup2sumtyn (1:05:18 PM): no it's not!

[nreggie454]

GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL!!! IM SUPER CEREAL!!!

http://www.starpulse.com/news/media/1112ImaginationlandPartIII-2.jpg

LOL saw this coming a while ago. Didn't the head of the Weather Channel sue Al Gore for his false claims, too?

[Buttons]

i take tree hugging classes. we talk about it everyday in class!

[Ran]

i take tree hugging classes. we talk about it everyday in class!Your teacher is retarded then. Have then do some logical research instead of throwing out personal ideals. There is no scientific evidence to support global warming.

[Sport1.3]

LOL Autumn global warming is no different than any other fear derived means of forced consumption. They tell us we're supposed to be afraid of something, they give us means to resolve those issues (usually costing us cold hard cash), we buy in. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GLOBAL WARMING!!!!

[Buttons]

Your teacher is retarded then. Have then do some logical research instead of throwing out personal ideals. There is no scientific evidence to support global warming.


Then what about the polar ice caps melting?

[Buttons]

LOL Autumn global warming is no different than any other fear derived means of forced consumption. They tell us we're supposed to be afraid of something, they give us means to resolve those issues (usually costing us cold hard cash), we buy in. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GLOBAL WARMING!!!!

So you are saying all the goverment programs they have for global warming and what not is bullshit?

[Ran]

Then what about the polar ice caps melting?Do some research on the sun and solar cycles then check back. That's about as credible as the concern about "Global Cooling" back in the 70's.

[alpine_aw11]

lolololololololololol they finally get caught. This really made my day, and I was having a bad day until now. I had the displeasure of watching An Inconvienient Truth the other day and it was the most disgustingly biased piece of shit movie I've ever seen.

[Jaimecbr900]

Autumn and anyone else who has NO PROOF WHAT SO EVER other than some infomercial told me so is exactly why a ridiculous idea like this takes flight. People don't stop to question anything anymore. If it's on TV or some text book says it somewhere, then suddenly it becomes the "truth". Far from it.

There is no such thing as Global Warming. It's a Liberal tree hugging idea concocted up by pansies that want to sell the moronic their hidden agenda. It ranks right on up there with humans suffering to try and save a mollusk that's about as worthless as tits on a hog, or paying $5/gallon to make sure half a dozen owls have a tree to nest on. Political correctness is the absolute gayest and most assenine idealogy known to man.

:2cents:

[Sport1.3]

Then what about the polar ice caps melting?


:lmao: what about the ice age?.....its called climate change, the earth has progressed through it since the dawn of time....way way before the first human took its first steps.....and well before the first automobile. The earth rotates on an ever changing axis around the sun...called a procession of the equinoxes. in fact, we are in the process of shifting into a new earth cycle or "Age" as its known not too far in the future (2149-2150). Each cycle comes every ~2150 yrs

[Buttons]

I can't help that my tree hugging class teaches me different :cry: .

Now stop talking to me, I don't want to be steered wrong and get bad grades on my tests.

[Sport1.3]

tell him to stop feeding you Bullshit and to get a real job, then burn down the building for supporting such false information

[Buttons]

tell him to stop feeding you Bullshit and to get a real job, then burn down the building for supporting such false information


aw, boo!

dr. kellar is a cool guy. all he does is teach environmental science stuff.

it's an easy class. i'm just stating what i've been taught from high school environmental science and college environmental science.

[redrumracer]

lolololol @ global warming, its called a cycle, its what the planet does lol

[Psycho]

There actually is a climate crisis with our planet, but it's not because of emissions and polution. Scientists have proven that the earth's core is losing its magnetic charge. The magnetic fields of earth have shifted around ever since the earth was formed. Earth's magnetic charge is produced by molten iron spinning around deep beneath the earth's crust. The direction of the spin changes from year to year, which in turn shifts the north and south magnetic poles by as much as 15 km every year. The problem is that the rotation of the molten iron is slowing and cooling down, which causes more and more of our atmosphere to be blow into space by solar winds.

Basically we're fucked, and there's nothing we can do about it.

[The Ninja]

LOL. What do you expect. This coming from the guy who claims he invented the internet when the internet is actually older than him and just about anyone else on this site.

Do some research, he didn't claim to invent the internet.

[1439/2000]

"Global warming is real! I'm taking earth science!"

What a dumb bitch.

[Buttons]

"Global warming is real! I'm taking earth science!"

What a dumb bitch.


*environmental science

What a dumb reader.

[barfmachine]

This is going to be a long one.

But in the global warming debate it seems quite obvious to me that the self-described 'skeptics' are little more than activist with a political agenda, much like the creationists. Scientific truth plays no role in the skepticism to global warming. This is best evidenced in the apparent and fundamental failure on the part of the 'skeptics' to understand science or its methods. Consider the popular arguments, such as that global warming is, in fact, caused by solar output. This argument is in many ways the direct analogue of a creationist's claim that any revision to the human 'family tree' represents a complete and categorical refutation of evolution. Not considered in such arguments are opposing findings nor, more relevantly, the view that even if solar output does make some contribution to an overall warming trend, that does nothing to absolve us of our role or our responsibility for our portion. Instead, any evidence which does not actively support a conclusion is considered to be in direct conflict with it.

Just as creationists are constantly demanding a new 'transitional fossil' to fill the 'gap' between any new species, the global warming skeptics continue to demand more and more accurate forecasts.

Because no forecast is ever likely to be perfect, just as we may never expect to have a 'complete', continuous fossil record of all species, the opposition is able to set a standard that can never be actionable.

The rational, scientific view of this is that while the picture of our climate is, by sheer volume of variables, necessarily out of focus, that does not mean we cannot make certain, very reliable predictions, just as one can look at a blurry picture of a bear and still make out that it's a bear, even if you can't count its teeth. In all scientific disciplines, the 'picture' is continuously becoming better focused, and continuously increasing in complexity. To take the picture analogy one step further, one might eventually have a good enough camera to count the bear's teeth, but still not be able to count its molecules. The 'skeptic's' view is always to present a falsely dichotomous situation where you either must be able to count the molecules (or one imagines, the constituent subatomic particles, and so on) or your picture is useless. I find this sort of reasoning in vigorous use both when dealing with global warming skeptics and creationists.

Counter these shady tactics with a, to the best of my knowledge, total failure to produce a competing theory that is harmonious with all our other data (again creationists leap to mind), and there's really no conclusion to draw but that the 'debate' in the public has no bearing whatever on scientific truth or consensus. The question that nags me is this: While I can easily understand why a major oil company would want to keep this matter mired in debate, what could the average Joe American possibly hope to gain by politicizing science in this way? I never understand the weird conspiracy theories from the skeptics; that there's some clandestine group of scientists secretly distorting data on climate and the environment in order to, uhhh... well we never find out what this conspiracy is about, do we?

Why would a community of literally thousands of scientists, from different countries and different areas of research all be lying? How would the profit by this? Oddly, global warming 'skeptics' seem all to eager to find some completely undefined 'liberal conspiracy' in global warming theory, but they are pathologically incapable of seeing rather obvious profit motives on the part of oil companies who pay for the scant scientific opposition to the consensus.

[barfmachine]

What makes it even worse is that this nonsense detracts from real environmental issues

When you say "this nonsense" what are you referring to exactly?

[Buttons]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ipcc-sci...l-warming.html



It seems that the only inconvenient truth is the facts.

What makes it even worse is that this nonsense detracts from real environmental issues

what other environmental issues?

[Psycho]

When you say "this nonsense" what are you referring to exactly?
I believe he's refering to all of the nonsense.

[barfmachine]

I believe he's refering to all of the nonsense.

Then his lack of knowledge must also be included in that 'nonsense.'

[barfmachine]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ipcc-sci...l-warming.html (http://www.prisonplanet.com/ipcc-sci...l-warming.html)

Seriously, there was no point in reading any further.

[barfmachine]

Seriously, there was no point in reading any further.

SHHHHHHHH

He thinks he is on to something. Let him go with it.

[Ran]

This is going to be a long one.That was a nice Google copy/paste that essentially went nowhere. Your entire post did absolutely nothing except throw out the obviousness that activists are just as zealous as their opposing party. I think we're all fairly aware of that. However, why would these parties be throwing out false reports and inaccurate information to try and press for the global warming argument? What hidden agendas are they feeding? What's their motivation? Those are my questions. It's fairly obvious, and scientifically proven, that global warming due to human interference is a load of crap. So why?

While I think it's good that we all try to help the planet and what-not, to have these organizations throw out blantant lies to scare people into it is complete bullsh*t.

I must say that I find your comparison a bit backwards as well. It's somewhat humorous to read a post that discredits creationists for making up arguments for God, then turns around and says it's okay for environmentalists to make up arguments for Global Warming.

[ShooterMcGavin]

hmmm i would say i'm surprised, but then i'd be lying =/

[Sport1.3]

google copy paste

This is the most idiotic slanted unobjective review of what is in reality, a very objective and practical look at "global warming". This is a perfect example of the global warming jihadist's intolerance to anything that deviates from their socialist agenda. Absolutely disgraceful!

You must have taken very little time "google Searching" your argument, because it has little to nothing to do with the actual argument at hand, nor does it include a single FACT proving otherwise. Dont you believe that is a little hypocritical on your part saying there is no empirical evidence to disprove global warming claims, yet you provide no real data yourself?

The Earth's climate changes all the time. Did carbon dioxide emissions cause the Medieval Warm Period, when Vikings raised crops on Greenland's coast? What caused the cold climate from 1700 to 1850? what about the GISS (NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies) report in 1971 predicting an ice age? Yes, the very organization now presaging gloom and doom at the hands of "global warming"

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost_historical/access/144703752.html?dids=144703752:144703752&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&fmac=&date=Jul+9,+1971&author=By+Victor+CohnWashington+Post+Staff+Writer&desc=U.S.+Scientist+Sees+New+Ice+Age+Coming

"The world could be as little as 50 or 60 years away from a disastrous new ice age, a leading atmospheric scientist predicts. Dr. S. I. Rasool of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and Columbia University says that:..."

Archived in the Washington Post.....to which i'm sure you'll write off :rolleyes:



Here is a list of the hottest recorded dates in history, not one is even in the 21st century, not even the so called Hottest recorded year in history(supposedly 1998) which was proven wrong in multiple case studies

World (Africa) El Azizia, Libya Sept. 13, 1922 136F

North America (US) Death Valley, Calif. July 10, 1913 134F

Asia Tirat Tsvi, Israel June 21, 1942 129

Australia Cloncurry, Queensland Jan. 16, 1889 128

Europe Seville, Spain Aug. 4, 1881 122 50

South America Rivadavia, Argentina Dec. 11, 1905 120
Canada Midale and Yellow Grass,
Saskatchewan, Canada July 5, 1937 113

Persian Gulf (sea-surface) Aug. 5, 1924 96

Antarctica Vanda Station Jan. 5, 1974 59F
South Pole Dec. 27, 1978 7.5 F

The hottest temperature in the United States ever recorded occurred in Death Valley, California during 43 consecutive days between July 6 and August 17, 1917. During those days, the temperature was over 48 degrees Celsius (120 degrees Fahrenheit). The national weather service recorded 56.7 °C (134 °F).

Those are Straight From Guiness World Records, and the "The Physics Factbook"...neither group advocating nor opposing the global warming position. Truly an unbias source.

Here is a Survey of record LOW tempertures taken in the United states

State by state low temperature records
State Temp. Date Station Elevation
( F) (feet)
Alabama -27 Jan. 30, 1966 New Market 760
Alaska -80 Jan. 23, 1971 Prospect Creek 1,100
Arizona -40 Jan. 7, 1971 Hawley Lake 8,180
Arkansas -29 Feb. 13, 1905 Pond 1,250
California -45 Jan. 20, 1937 Boca 5,532
Colorado -61 Feb. 1, 1985 Maybell 5,920
Connecticut -32 Feb. 16, 1943 Falls Village 585
Delaware -17 Jan. 17, 1893 Millsboro 20
Florida - 2 Feb. 13, 1899 Tallahassee 193
Georgia -17 Jan. 27, 1940 N. Floyd County 1,000
Hawaii 12 May 17, 1979 Mauna Kea 13,770
Idaho -60 Jan. 18, 1943 Island Park Dam 6,285
Illinois -36 Jan. 5, 1999 Congerville 722
Indiana -36 Jan. 19, 1994 New Whiteland 785
Iowa -47 Feb. 3, 1996* Elkader 770
Kansas -40 Feb. 13, 1905 Lebanon 1,812
Kentucky -37 Jan. 19, 1994 Shelbyville 730
Louisiana -16 Feb. 13, 1899 Minden 194
Maine -48 Jan. 19, 1925 Van Buren 458
Maryland -40 Jan. 13, 1912 Oakland 2,461
Massachusetts -35 Jan. 12, 1981 Chester 640
Michigan -51 Feb. 9, 1934 Vanderbilt 785
Minnesota -60 Feb. 2, 1996 Tower 1,430
Mississippi -19 Jan. 30, 1966 Corinth 420
Missouri -40 Feb. 13, 1905 Warsaw 700
Montana -70 Jan. 20, 1954 Rogers Pass 5,470
Nebraska -47 Feb. 12, 1899 Camp Clarke 3,700
Nevada -50 Jan. 8, 1937 San Jacinto 5,200
New Hampshire -47 Jan. 29, 1934 Mt. Washington 6,288
New Jersey -34 Jan. 5, 1904 River Vale 70
New Mexico -50 Feb. 1, 1951 Gavilan 7,350
New York -52 Feb. 18, 1979* Old Forge 1,720
North Carolina -34 Jan. 21, 1985 Mt. Mitchell 6,525
North Dakota -60 Feb. 15, 1936 Parshall 1,929
Ohio -39 Feb. 10, 1899 Milligan 800
Oklahoma -27 Jan. 18, 1930 Watts 958
Oregon -54 Feb. 10, 1933* Seneca 4,700
Pennsylvania -42 Jan. 5, 1904 Smethport est. 1,500
Rhode Island -25 Feb. 5, 1996 Greene 425
South Carolina -19 Jan. 21, 1985 Caesars Head 3,100
South Dakota -58 Feb. 17, 1936 McIntosh 2,277
Tennessee -32 Dec. 30, 1917 Mountain City 2,471
Texas -23 Feb. 8, 1933* Seminole 3,275
Utah -69 Feb. 1, 1985 Peter's Sink 8,092
Vermont -50 Dec. 30, 1933 Bloomfield 915
Virginia -30 Jan. 22, 1985 Mountain Lake 3,870
Washington -48 Dec. 30, 1968 Mazama 2,120
Winthrop 1,755
West Virginia -37 Dec. 30, 1917 Lewisburg 2,200
Wisconsin -55 Feb.4, 1996 Couderay 1,300
Wyoming -66 Feb. 9, 1933 Riverside 6,650

Sourced from a USA Today article: http://www.usatoday.com/weather/wcstates.htm

How about this ill-forgotten factoid:

GISS Temperature study in 2006

http://i35.tinypic.com/ofydmw.jpg

NASA does not fully publish the computer source code and formulae used to calculate the trends in the graph, nor the correction used to arrive at the "corrected" data. Steve McIntyre of the Toronto based Climate Audit had to reverse engineer the process by comparing the raw data and the processed data.. :

"This imparts an upward discontinuity of a deg C in wintertime and 0.8 deg C annually. I checked the monthly data and determined that the discontinuity occurred on January 2000 - and, to that extent, appears to be a Y2K problem. I presume that this is a programming error."

Also According to his "Quantifying the Hansen Y2K Error" report:

"I observed recently that Hansen's GISS series contains an apparent error in which Hansen switched the source of GISS raw from USHCN adjusted to USHCN raw for all values January 2000 and later. For Detroit Lakes MN, this introduced an error of 0.8 deg C. I've collated GISS raw minus USHCN adjusted for all USHCN sites (using the data scraped from the GISS site, for which I was most criticized in Rabett-world). Figure 1 below shows a histogram of the January 2000 step for the 1221 stations (calculated here as the difference between the average of the difference after Jan 2000 and for the 1990-1999 period.) The largest step occurred in Douglas AZ where the Hansen error is 1.75 deg C! There is obviously a bimodal distribution."

further reviewed here : http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1868


Letter to GISS officials:

http://i36.tinypic.com/17s2sk.jpg

Response:

http://i33.tinypic.com/10ns5lf.jpg

NASA made a correction not only on their own web page, attributing the discovery to McIntyre, but NASA also issued a corrected set of temperature anomaly data which you can see here:

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.D.txt


while they still didn't provide proper provenance for the data before 2000, leaving another guessing game.......who would have guessed :rolleyes:

According to the new data published by NASA, 1998 nor 2006 is no longer the hottest years ever. 1934 is.

NOAA has still yet to issue a statement saying otherwise, even though GISS themselves has corrected the error....hmmm wonder why ppl are so missinformed :???: :rolleyes:

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2007/s2772.htm


Four of the top 10 years of US CONUS high temperature deviations are now from the 1930s: 1934, 1931, 1938 and 1939, while only 3 of the top 10 are from the last 10 years (1998, 2006, 1999). Several years (2000, 2002, 2003, 2004) fell well down the leaderboard, behind even 1900. (World rankings of temperature are calculated separately.)


"science has a history of being wrong"

Thanks for playing :cheers:

[Ran]

Holy sh*t, longest post ever.

[Sport1.3]

Holy sh*t, longest post ever.


:lmfao:


with facts to back it up....who would have guessed huh? :rolleyes:


ibhedoesntevenreadit lulz

[Buttons]

i don't wanna read it.

i'm just gonna listen to my teacher and pass his class. fuck what y'all think!

[Sport1.3]

Why would a community of literally thousands of scientists, from different countries and different areas of research all be lying? How would the profit by this? Oddly, global warming 'skeptics' seem all to eager to find some completely undefined 'liberal conspiracy' in global warming theory, but they are pathologically incapable of seeing rather obvious profit motives on the part of oil companies who pay for the scant scientific opposition to the consensus.



To answer the only relevant question offered in this post:


"In one of the more expensive ironies of history, the expenditure of more than $US 50 billion on research into global warming since 1990 has failed to demonstrate any human-caused climate trend, let alone a dangerous one.
Yet that expenditure will pale into insignificance compared with the squandering of money that is going to accompany the introduction of a carbon trading or taxation system."

-Bob Carter(Paleoclimate scientist), testifying before the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee

Again a related source:

http://www.newswithviews.com/Coffman/mike10.htm

[Sport1.3]

i don't wanna read it.

i'm just gonna listen to my teacher and pass his class. fuck what y'all think!


Please, by all means, dont.

[Buttons]

Please, by all means, dont.

if i read your information, i could get answers wrong on a test.

passing a class > knowing the truth.

[Ran]

passing a class > knowing the truth.Behold one of the fundamental problems with our educational system. Please, go and pass your test. Don't challenge the teacher's inaccuracies and allow them to continue spreading false information amongst other students. You're really doing everyone a favor.

[Buttons]

Behold one of the fundamental problems with our educational system. Please, go and pass your test. Don't challenge the teacher's inaccuracies and allow them to continue spreading false information amongst other students. You're really doing everyone a favor.

he's a doctor. meaning he's had years of education. he's been a teacher for years. i'm not saying he can't be wrong. but i mean he's highly intelligent. he's qualified to teach. therefore, i'm going to believe him. he teaches from a book. you know there are guidelines a teacher has to follow.

[Ran]

he's a doctor. meaning he's had years of education. he's been a teacher for years. i'm not saying he can't be wrong. but i mean he's highly intelligent. he's qualified to teach. therefore, i'm going to believe him. he teaches from a book. you know there are guidelines a teacher has to follow.I'm well aware of the requirements for a teacher. Being intelligent and having tenure doesn't necessarily make one smart nor does it prevent one from being misled. Also, I'd be willing to bet that his book has virtually nothing regarding global warming being caused human interference or likewise.

I simply find it humorous that you're willing to believe false information and allow it to spread just to get a grade. Nobody ever accomplished anything by being a mindless sheep. Well, aside from putting Obama into office anyway. Prevent the facts to him and challenge his inaccuracies.

[Sport1.3]

They also taught us that Pluto was a planet, yet now it is no longer such.......It was in books, as well as taught by educated teachers. They also taught us (and still teach us) that Columbus "discovered" the America's....which is laughable at best in today’s standards.....do i even need to bring up the known mathematical flaw of .999~ =1 in fractional equations?

[4dmin]

They also taught us that Pluto was a planet, yet now it is no longer such.......It was in books, as well as taught by educated teachers. They also taught us (and still teach us) that Columbus "discovered" the America's....which is laughable at best in today’s standards.....do i even need to bring up the known mathematical flaw of .999~ =1 in fractional equations?

this is a good example of what we call HUMAN EVOLUTION; obviously as technology grows we become more intelligent and can understand things we couldn't 2000 years ago.

i think "global warming" can be real; just as we had an ice age. now wether the data to prove such is reliable is the true question. we do know for a fact polar ice caps are melting is this due to carbon emissions or our orbit around the sun IDK. global warming is something that is new and developing when people look back 100 years time will tell what is truly happening.

i think what i find most disturbing about this is we live in a society that believes we are only 6,000 years old, a senior citizen built a boat and gathered up 2 of every animal and repopulated the earth, and that bush was a good president. go figure. :rolleyes:

[BURRWHACKER]

Then what about the polar ice caps melting?

They have been melting every since the last ice age jackass.

I aint reading this whole fuckin' thread but Global Warming is horse shit and they cant prove otherwise.

[Buttons]

this is a good example of what we call HUMAN EVOLUTION; obviously as technology grows we become more intelligent and can understand things we couldn't 2000 years ago.


thank you. lots of old ideas have been proven wrong.

[Ran]

i think what i find most disturbing about this is we live in a society that believes we are only 6,000 years old, a senior citizen built a boat and gathered up 2 of every animal and repopulated the earth, and that bush was a good president. go figure. :rolleyes:You've really gotta get off your anti-religion kick Paul. lol


thank you. lots of old ideas have been proven wrong.True, but this one is being proven wrong right now. lol

[Buttons]

Christianity has been proven wrong many times. People can believe what they want to.

[Ran]

Christianity has been proven wrong many times. People can believe what they want to.Christianity, or rather religion as a whole, involves an entity that can neither be proven nor disproven. Global Warming can, and IS being disproven on a daily basis. Your debate isn't in the same category.

[Buttons]

As a whole, the weather is getting warmer, the ocean water is rising, the polar ice caps are melting.

[4dmin]

Christianity, or rather religion as a whole, involves an entity that can neither be proven nor disproven. Global Warming can, and IS being disproven on a daily basis. Your debate isn't in the same category.

i will have to disagree w/ you on this one b/c they are very much the same with the only difference... opposition ask for proof and religion can't offer such; this doesn't mean that global warming won't be proven/disproved in the future ;)

[Sport1.3]

As a whole, the weather is getting warmer, the ocean water is rising, the polar ice caps are melting.


we are currently maintaining temperatures equal to that of the the early 1900's (1912 to be exact). Last years annual mean of .84 is lower than that of 1990 (.88). Infact, as typical trends suggest we are seeing cooler temperatures this year than even just a year before. Spikes are seen in the GICC graph at about every ~7 yrs, which between is seen a cooling off phase. Not since 1934 have we seen a temperatures spike of more than 1.24 as an annual mean. We "spiked" in 2006 (1.15)

[Jaimecbr900]

i will have to disagree w/ you on this one b/c they are very much the same with the only difference... opposition ask for proof and religion can't offer such; this doesn't mean that global warming won't be proven/disproved in the future ;)

Just like Christianity will also be proven......WHEN YOU DIE.......:lmfao: :lmfao:

I'm actually surprised that Mr. Show Me the Money is buying into the Global Warming BS. You want proof? Ok, how about the fact that the "data" they are using to "prove" it exists has been shown to be false, altered, biased, doctored, or simply made up for quite some time now. :thinking: Come on now, you're not really buying the BS the Democrats are selling, are you? You're smarter than that.

BTW, your pics are almost ready. :goodjob:

[Maniacc]

From my understanding prisonplanet.com is about as reliable as fox news. Weeklyworldnews (http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/) Is pretty good and so is http://www.reuters.com/

Legitimate news sources help.

[Sport1.3]

From my understanding prisonplanet.com is about as reliable as fox news. Weeklyworldnews (http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/) Is pretty good and so is http://www.reuters.com/

Legitimate news sources help.


that was ONE source, i've been the only person YET to post a single source. On page 2 actually posting several different sources, even the GICC site itself :D

:lmao: @ links

[4dmin]

Just like Christianity will also be proven......WHEN YOU DIE.......:lmfao: :lmfao:

I'm actually surprised that Mr. Show Me the Money is buying into the Global Warming BS. You want proof? Ok, how about the fact that the "data" they are using to "prove" it exists has been shown to be false, altered, biased, doctored, or simply made up for quite some time now. :thinking: Come on now, you're not really buying the BS the Democrats are selling, are you? You're smarter than that.

BTW, your pics are almost ready. :goodjob:

if you read what i said "can be real" as i also said only time will tell.... for years we thought pluto was a planet and now w/ right time/technology it has been proven different. so jaime how many planets do we have?

difference again between religion and global warming is we can see polar ice caps melting... i'll let you know when i find jesus. :goodjob:

[Maniacc]

that was ONE source, i've been the only person YET to post a single source. On page 2 actually posting several different sources, even the GICC site itself :D

:lmao: @ links
Just sayin'

I'd rather go with those links than prisonplanet. :lmfao:

[Sport1.3]

Just sayin'

I'd rather go with those links than prisonplanet. :lmfao:

possibly a bad example source, but nothing like reports of 50 ft Palin :lmfao:

Fact is, sometimes even the tabloids get it right every once and a while.....its their wash of other garbage that tends to have reliable information discredited. Still I've posted other useful resources to prove my point, ones with more credibility than "Bat boy hates Prop 8" :lmfao:

[Maniacc]

I'm not really into the whole global warming conspiracy bs. The way I see it is that some people just pick a position and stick with it no matter what. Some people just want to be right, or have an "enemy" to hate. Some people like their tribe, and don't want to bother learning about the other tribes out there.

For some reason, any old opinion, so long as it's a strong one, has some validity.
Doesn't matter much what the reasoning is behind it. "I have faith" or "I believe" is good enough for a lot of people.

[Sport1.3]

centerist lol :tongue1:

[Maniacc]

Everyone knows what really cause global warming.

http://i37.tinypic.com/2z9mk9u.gif


ETA: This is pretty interesting though - Temp. rises not caused by the sun (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/jul/05/climatechange.climatechange)

[Jaimecbr900]

if you read what i said "can be real" as i also said only time will tell.... for years we thought pluto was a planet and now w/ right time/technology it has been proven different. so jaime how many planets do we have?

You could actually say the same thing about Christianity......wait long enough and you'll have solid proof too.....;)


difference again between religion and global warming is we can see polar ice caps melting... i'll let you know when i find jesus. :goodjob:

WHO can see polar caps melting is exactly the point being made. NASA "scientists" SAID it was happening, now it turns out they made up the data. So WHO exactly is to be believed? THAT is the question.

[Maniacc]

You could actually say the same thing about Christianity......wait long enough and you'll have solid proof too.....;)



WHO can see polar caps melting is exactly the point being made. NASA "scientists" SAID it was happening, now it turns out they made up the data. So WHO exactly is to be believed? THAT is the question.
Comparing global warming to christianity is like comparing a goats' ass to an elephant's dick.

[nreggie454]

As a whole, the weather is getting warmer, the ocean water is rising, the polar ice caps are melting.

As a whole, you are a complete idiot, who obviously cannot read or understand the information posted in this thread.

LOL at the freshman idea of "My professor said it so I am now an expert!"

[§treet_§peed]

its funny because they teach all the kids in school now that GLOBAL WARMING WILL KILL US and shit my lil bro who's in 9th grade is having to do a class project on it...

[§treet_§peed]

You could actually say the same thing about Christianity......wait long enough and you'll have solid proof too.....;)



WHO can see polar caps melting is exactly the point being made. NASA "scientists" SAID it was happening, now it turns out they made up the data. So WHO exactly is to be believed? THAT is the question.it doesn't matter remember? in 2012 when the Mayan calender runs out we are all fucked lol:boobies:

[Jaimecbr900]

Comparing global warming to christianity is like comparing a goats' ass to an elephant's dick.

I wasn't.

[Maniacc]

I wasn't.
Just saying it's pretty dumb to have a thread about global warming than having other people talking about religion.

They are not the same nor will the other win by using it as a trump-card.
When it comes to global warming the scientific community does not have enough data to support it's claims. Period.

People can point out stuff we have done to damage our ozone layer which could have some effects on our climate. But for us to get to a point where our temp. increases every year? Thus causing our polar ice caps to melt? Wouldn't fresh water prices go up? Due to our demands for clean water?

I remember as a kid we would see snow. Now, all we see are cold dry days and nights. Stuff like this could have anyone thinking about global warming. Does it bother me? Not at all. While I understand and agree that global warming is may or may not be anthropogenic, I am not convinced that warmer and longer summers for a few years are directly caused by global warming as opposed to some other, shorter-scale weather pattern. Cycles of warm and cool will occur even in a slow increase in average temperatures over a long period of time. That's just how our planet is.

This post isn't just directed at you but to everyone in this thread...

[Jaimecbr900]

Just saying it's pretty dumb to have a thread about global warming than having other people talking about religion.

They are not the same nor will the other win by using it as a trump-card.
When it comes to global warming the scientific community does not have enough data to support it's claims. Period.

People can point out stuff we have done to damage our ozone layer which could have some effects on our climate. But for us to get to a point where our temp. increases every year? Thus causing our polar ice caps to melt? Wouldn't fresh water prices go up? Due to our demands for clean water?

I remember as a kid we would see snow. Now, all we see are cold dry days and nights. Stuff like this could have anyone thinking about global warming. Does it bother me? Not at all. While I understand and agree that global warming is may or may not be anthropogenic, I am not convinced that warmer and longer summers for a few years are directly caused by global warming as opposed to some other, shorter-scale weather pattern. Cycles of warm and cool will occur even in a slow increase in average temperatures over a long period of time. That's just how our planet is.

This post isn't just directed at you but to everyone in this thread...

That was a clear, lucid, and intelligent argument........OVERULED!!!! (Name that movie for extra credit.....;) )

I actually tend to agree with your view point. Part of the issue is that IF carbon emmissions is causing holes in the ozone and Global Warming.....just what does anyone think me putting a catalytic converter on my car is going to help when there BILLIONS of other cars in countries like India, China, Russia, etc.....that have NEVER used emmissions controls....not now, not ever. So we can all hug trees and sing Kumbaya songs all day long, but when you're the preverbial drop in the bucket then how much global impact are you really making anyway? It's like trying to shovel snow during an avalanche.

BTW, Paul was the one that brought up Religion here. I think he's on a 666 trip ever since he stood by some ceramic angels and his clothes started to smell like smoke......:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

[Maniacc]

That was a clear, lucid, and intelligent argument........OVERULED!!!! (Name that movie for extra credit.....;) )

My Cousin Vinny?



I actually tend to agree with your view point. Part of the issue is that IF carbon emmissions is causing holes in the ozone and Global Warming.....just what does anyone think me putting a catalytic converter on my car is going to help when there BILLIONS of other cars in countries like India, China, Russia, etc.....that have NEVER used emmissions controls....not now, not ever. So we can all hug trees and sing Kumbaya songs all day long, but when you're the preverbial drop in the bucket then how much global impact are you really making anyway? It's like trying to shovel snow during an avalanche.

Like I said before. People just pick a position and stick with it no matter if they're wrong or right.

That's why I'd rather avoid this subject.



BTW, Paul was the one that brought up Religion here. I think he's on a 666 trip ever since he stood by some ceramic angels and his clothes started to smell like smoke......:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

Teh 666 is pretty powerful though. :D

[Jaimecbr900]

I don't know why yall are so worried about Global warming......Maniac and I just agreed on something......which means Hell Hath indeed frozen over......get some ice for your polar caps from there......;) :lmfao:

[Maniacc]

lol

[Sport1.3]

I don't know why yall are so worried about Global warming......Maniac and I just agreed on something......which means Hell Hath indeed frozen over......get some ice for your polar caps from there......;) :lmfao:


not possible.....he must have stolen your account information and used your SN as another of his many AE's

[1439/2000]

Why is it always assumed that people who think global wamring is bs are also labeled evangelical, racists, stupid, etc etc?

I think its BS because I HAVE STUDIED IT FOR 5 YEARS AND HAVE A MIND OF MY OWN. There is a petition of over 32,000 scientists worldwide who have rejected it. You can copy and paste all you want but until you read some real books on why its not happening then don't post.

I bet you think that the last Polar bear is floating on an ice cube somewhere too. BS, there are more polar bears now than in any point in history.

[Buttons]

As a whole, you are a complete idiot, who obviously cannot read or understand the information posted in this thread.

LOL at the freshman idea of "My professor said it so I am now an expert!"


I didn't say I was an expert.

[Psycho]

Word on the street is, the pollution from the industrial revolution saved us from an ice age that would have happened in the near future.

I think it was in a tupac song or something.

[bookthief]

I really hate myself when I am guilty to hypocorism.
I've made a blog on the topic being discussed.
Some of the information i posted actually came from my world geography book (9th grade)
I myself am interested in animals/nature/our planet.
Mother nature is a beautiful thing we miss every day we wake.
Ordinary people live and learn. Some just live. Most people don't give a flying fuck what's going on around them, or what is to occur. That's just it. I feel the same way sometimes. I don't always care. I just rather keep quiet majority of the time. I mean, what's my own humble opinion against thousands of others?

[Psycho]

BTW, Paul was the one that brought up Religion here. I think he's on a 666 trip ever since he stood by some ceramic angels and his clothes started to smell like smoke......:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:
On some real shit, every time I got to Wendy's I order something different, but the total is always $6.66. It doesn't matter if I piece together a meal from the dollar menu, or order a combo. The food is always great though. Thank you Satan, for the delicious cholesterol burgers and high sodium fries.

[Sport1.3]

SHHHHHHHH

He thinks he is on to something. Let him go with it.


where you at now? No more google copy/pastes? ready to back pedal yet? lulz

[1439/2000]

bump. kinda want to see the response.

[Sport1.3]

bump. kinda want to see the response.
dawt

[barfmachine]

Hovind is behind bars not because his science is wrong, but because HE WAS EFFECTIVE. So they set him up and snagged him on a technicality under the rules of exemption for the corporate excise tax laws and sent him to prison. The jury was hand-picked and carefully prevented from actually reading the laws or getting any information about the right of jury nullification. Your tactic is called a smear, and you are the worst kind of deceiver. Plenty of good men are either dead or in prison because they were effective in their efforts to expose the lies of the NWO control freaks. Since you are a false accuser, it is YOU who should suffer the penalty of the one who is falsely accused. Vengeance is mine, I will repay saith the Lord.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=40404.msg379720#msg379720


Kinda stupid to believe prisonplanet now... right?

Almost as idiotic as creationists. The evidence has been in for a much shorter time, so they don't quite match up in stupidity.

I love the progression though:
There's no such thing as global warming.
There might possibly be, but there's no conclusive evidence.
It's a natural event.
The kid down the block did it, not me.
Anyway it's a good thing, not a problem.
Someone else needs to fix it, not me.


I suspect that you have been confronted by all this information. It's a weak argument, ignorance and logical fallacies do not suggest that you wishe to allow facts to get in the way of your feel-good use of your SUV(im sure you have one). I would say that you're more a fantasist than crazy or stupid.

[Ran]

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=40404.msg379720#msg379720


Kinda stupid to believe prisonplanet now... right?

Almost as idiotic as creationists. The evidence has been in for a much shorter time, so they don't quite match up in stupidity.

I love the progression though:
There's no such thing as global warming.
There might possibly be, but there's no conclusive evidence.
It's a natural event.
The kid down the block did it, not me.
Anyway it's a good thing, not a problem.
Someone else needs to fix it, not me.


I suspect that you have been confronted by all this information. It's a weak argument, ignorance and logical fallacies do not suggest that you wishe to allow facts to get in the way of your feel-good use of your SUV(im sure you have one). I would say that you're more a fantasist than crazy or stupid.Where's the defense for your argument? You keep comparing the "activists" to creationists, but have yet to make an adequate argument. Considering all the information available, I'd say that the real creationists are those that are making up global warming.

[Sport1.3]

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=40404.msg379720#msg379720


Kinda stupid to believe prisonplanet now... right?

Almost as idiotic as creationists. The evidence has been in for a much shorter time, so they don't quite match up in stupidity.

I love the progression though:
There's no such thing as global warming.
There might possibly be, but there's no conclusive evidence.
It's a natural event.
The kid down the block did it, not me.
Anyway it's a good thing, not a problem.
Someone else needs to fix it, not me.


I suspect that you have been confronted by all this information. It's a weak argument, ignorance and logical fallacies do not suggest that you wishe to allow facts to get in the way of your feel-good use of your SUV(im sure you have one). I would say that you're more a fantasist than crazy or stupid.


:lmfao: Again you absolutely fail at providing any conclusive evidence on your end, but instead retort with something completely irrelevant to the point at hand. I posted several sources, not including prison planet, and even agreed it was not the greatest of sources. This is seriously all you have to argue???? Seriously?

I've never changed my view, global warming does in fact NOT exist. You have still yet to show me one fact that says otherwise....I’ve been waiting 2 days for your "professional" analysis on the subject, and all I’m left here with is the “im feeling lucky” search function results from Google.

Never in my life have I been a "creationist" or considered myself one bit religious as a matter of fact :lmfao: ...nor do I drive, or have I ever even owned an SUV... You have absolutely no direction in any of your posts...

Please feel free to continue your Google searches for information that has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. Please keep referring to me as a creationist, as well as letting me know my many other excuses for driving my supposed SUV to work every morning...It's all very entertaining.