engine builder needed

[1 SICK GT]

ok guys don't flame me beause i'm new to the board sorta and i don't post much.

i've only been here 4 months and i haven't been here long enough to know anyone personally or any shop.

i'm not looking for any deals or hookups but what i am looking for is someone the really knows there stuff when it comes to building a high horsepower turbo engine. someone that i can talk to for advice and also build a strong motor.

parts i can get them myself all i need is someone that can put it all together and make it run

also the person you suggest needs to be capable of working with any type of motor. not a typical motor that you can jus jump on any forum and build it
example: like a honda motor (nothing against hondas ok folks)

jus need someone that can do it right the first time

thanks for your input

[BTEC]

so u need ur engine built?

[Vteckidd]

i build honda/acura motors. tell me what you need done if that is the motor you need done.

I build NA motors, but i have a few turbo motors coming up that i have to assemble. I measure Ring gap, bearing clearances, piston to wall clearance if you have forged pistons, i can degree camshafts if you need it done, measure roundness of bore, etc.

you cant just jump on a forum and build a honda engine. there are tricks to putting any engine together. its a numbers game. tighter or loose bearing clearances affect power and longevity, ring gap affects power and ring seal, etc.

what engine do you want built?

[Allshow97]

TurboDave in marietta best man for turbo in the biz :) just my :2cents:

[BTEC]

TurboDave in marietta best man for turbo in the biz :) just my :2cents:
AND U KNOW DIS

[1 SICK GT]

i build honda/acura motors. tell me what you need done if that is the motor you need done.

I build NA motors, but i have a few turbo motors coming up that i have to assemble. I measure Ring gap, bearing clearances, piston to wall clearance if you have forged pistons, i can degree camshafts if you need it done, measure roundness of bore, etc.

you cant just jump on a forum and build a honda engine. there are tricks to putting any engine together. its a numbers game. tighter or loose bearing clearances affect power and longevity, ring gap affects power and ring seal, etc.

what engine do you want built?

it's a madza engine 2.5L V6

[Tracy]

www.batlground.com
We can do it all. :)

[Vteckidd]

what do you want done to it

[1 SICK GT]

what do you want done to it

a full build including increasing the displacement

i also have been have been considering using darton or aebs sleeves

[Tracy]

sent you a PM

[1 SICK GT]

sent you a PM

sent you one back :goodjob:

[Vteckidd]

all motor or turbo?

[Twinturbo6]

it's a madza engine 2.5L V6
OK are you talking about the 4 bolt main, quad cam, kl03, 2.5 liter?

are you looking to stroke it using honda rods, machining the crank journals to accept said rods,( thusly creating a stroker motor ) and inserting custom sleeves at a larger ( 3 liter displacement ) size? effectively makeing it a 3.3-3.4 liter, capable of holding over 30 psi.

If so I am looking to do something alone those lines myself.

If not sorry to have disturbed you.

[Vteckidd]

you guys need to get in touch with Golden Eagle Machine in California. if your looking to spend that much money, take it to them. they have a few mazda drag cars

[Twinturbo6]

BTW vtech I believe he stated turbo.
KL STOCK SPECS & STROKER SPECS



STOCK PISTONS: COMP. RATIO 10.0:1

BORE 84.50MM (3.340")

COMPRESSION HEIGHT 1.138



STOCK RODS:

ROD LENGTH 5.427”

COMBINED LENGTH OF PIN HEIGHT & ROD LENGTH IS 6.565”



STOCK CRANK:

ROD JOURNAL 2.085”

STROKE 2.920”



JE PISTONS: COMP. RATIO 8.8:1

PART # 185918

BORE 84.99MM (3.346”)

COMPRESSION HEIGHT 1.181

PIN DIAMETER 0.827”

PIN LENGTH 2.250” (57.15MM)

TOP RING GROOVE 0.040” (1.02MM) LANDING 0.276” (7.01MM)

2ND RING GROOVE 0.048” (1.22MM) LANDING 0.160” (4.06MM)

OIL RING GROOVE 0.111” (2.22MM) LANDING 0.090” (2.29MM)

WEIGHT 297 GRAMS

FLOATING PIN

WIRE LOCKS



EAGLE RODS:

PART # CRS5290H3D

LENGTH 5.290”

COMBINED LENGTH OF PIN HEIGHT & ROD LENGTH IS 6.471”

FLOATING PIN



STROKED CRANK:

ROD JOURNAL 1.770”

STROKE 3.014”



6.565” – 6.471” = 0.094” x2 = 0.188” Crank to be stroked according to this.

something like this.... of course the piston size would go up.

[Twinturbo6]

Do you have a phone number?
Btw you would be surprized how cheaply just the stroker part can be done and as i have no money to be invening custom sleeves I would like to just get the crank offset ground to accept
JE PISTONS part# 185918 which are for B16A3 Honda engine
EAGLE RODS part# CRS5290H3D which are also for B16A3

Stroke and grind the crank and I will have a 2.8 KLZE. Compression will be 8.8:1.

[BTEC]

Do you have a phone number?
Btw you would be surprized how cheaply just the stroker part can be done and as i have no money to be invening custom sleeves I would like to just get the crank offset ground to accept
JE PISTONS part# 185918 which are for B16A3 Honda engine
EAGLE RODS part# CRS5290H3D which are also for B16A3

Stroke and grind the crank and I will have a 2.8 KLZE. Compression will be 8.8:1.
leave the honda stuff alone. http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/geno/mad.gif

[Vteckidd]

interesting .......

i can get teh Honda stuff

[Twinturbo6]

yeah thats what i need, but 6 of them. And the crank has to be offset ground to the out side so as to make it a stroker set up, then the block has to be bored .20 over and assembled. Nothing to fancy. What would that look like price wise?

[Vteckidd]

yeah thats what i need, but 6 of them. And the crank has to be offset ground to the out side so as to make it a stroker set up, then the block has to be bored .20 over and assembled. Nothing to fancy. What would that look like price wise?
pistons would prob be around $600-650 as a set of 4 runs $450.

As far as offset grinding a crank, that is a little tricky. i dont know how much taht would run, ill have to ask Jim

.20 bore, most machine shops charge $100-140 for bore/hone

I charge $700 to assemble and blueprint/balance a Honda motor (that includes assembling the head as i usually have to install valvesprings and cams and valves)

i would have to look and read up on this mazda engine as i have never built one. althoguh and engine is an engine, as long as its not a BMW :eek:

[1 SICK GT]

all motor or turbo?
turbo

[1 SICK GT]

OK are you talking about the 4 bolt main, quad cam, kl03, 2.5 liter?

are you looking to stroke it using honda rods, machining the crank journals to accept said rods,( thusly creating a stroker motor ) and inserting custom sleeves at a larger ( 3 liter displacement ) size? effectively makeing it a 3.3-3.4 liter, capable of holding over 30 psi.

If so I am looking to do something alone those lines myself.

If not sorry to have disturbed you.

nope i don't want parts i have to modify, you might be refering to the guy that lives in tuscaloosa, al

just to let you know pauter makes rods for our cars and ross makes pistons they go in with no modifications

[Twinturbo6]

well mine already has the VRIS gutted, and the head, I have a set of klze heads with czt springs retainers, locks, all i need is a port and polish and maybe a valve refinish on those. I will be reusing my HLA's and of course assembly. the block is your average v6.

[Twinturbo6]

but then, you don't want a stroker you just want it overbored?
And I was aware of the pauter rods, but as you are goin turbo and as they are no longer made ( hard to get now ) i would think you would want h rods?

[1 SICK GT]

BTW vtech I believe he stated turbo.
KL STOCK SPECS & STROKER SPECS



STOCK PISTONS: COMP. RATIO 10.0:1

BORE 84.50MM (3.340")

COMPRESSION HEIGHT 1.138



STOCK RODS:

ROD LENGTH 5.427”

COMBINED LENGTH OF PIN HEIGHT & ROD LENGTH IS 6.565”



STOCK CRANK:

ROD JOURNAL 2.085”

STROKE 2.920”



JE PISTONS: COMP. RATIO 8.8:1

PART # 185918

BORE 84.99MM (3.346”)

COMPRESSION HEIGHT 1.181

PIN DIAMETER 0.827”

PIN LENGTH 2.250” (57.15MM)

TOP RING GROOVE 0.040” (1.02MM) LANDING 0.276” (7.01MM)

2ND RING GROOVE 0.048” (1.22MM) LANDING 0.160” (4.06MM)

OIL RING GROOVE 0.111” (2.22MM) LANDING 0.090” (2.29MM)

WEIGHT 297 GRAMS

FLOATING PIN

WIRE LOCKS



EAGLE RODS:

PART # CRS5290H3D

LENGTH 5.290”

COMBINED LENGTH OF PIN HEIGHT & ROD LENGTH IS 6.471”

FLOATING PIN



STROKED CRANK:

ROD JOURNAL 1.770”

STROKE 3.014”



6.565” – 6.471” = 0.094” x2 = 0.188” Crank to be stroked according to this.

something like this.... of course the piston size would go up.

yep those are some thomas knight specs (knight turbo)

to much modification to the crank and journals to get those parts to work for me, they will work but i don't want to compromise the crank in anyway to make them work jus to get cheaper rods and pistons, the money you spend on modifications (machine shop) you could put towards the more expensive rods that bolt right in. (pauter) i think are around $1,100.00 shipped

oh twin turbo 6 i use to be twin turbo too about 4 1/2 years ago had the setup on my car for around 2 year took it off because i kept having problems with the turbo on the rear bank (oil drain issues causing it to smoke) now i have a turbonetics t-62 ball bearing

i still have my twin kit in my garage probally gonna put it on my other car

[Twinturbo6]

can the pauter rods hold up to 20 psi?
And where did you find them, I was told they are in rare supply.
Plus thats the size of the journals on a honduh and some of those make 600 plus horse power, can't be too bad....

[1 SICK GT]

can the pauter rods hold up to 20 psi?
And where did you find them, I was told they are in rare supply.
Plus thats the size of the journals on a honduh and some of those make 600 plus horse power, can't be too bad....


there rated at a 1000hp, and your journals are not the same size as the honda del sol

[Twinturbo6]

ok I'll bite, the pauters hold 1000hp? where can I get a set at?
If it saves from too much headache then its ok by me, what about the sleeves? have you gotten those figured out to? how much? what size are you looking to go?

[1 SICK GT]

off of pauter's site

Engine Series
Pin dia
B E bore
Length
B E width
Weight
Part Number

Ford Zetec 2.0L 4-cyl
.787”
1.967”
5.478”
.956”
Call
FOR-200-500-1390C

Ford Duratec 2.5L V6
.827”
2.086”
5.433”
.836”
591g
FOR-210-530-1380F

626/MX6 2L
.748”
2.008”
5.320”
.860”
Call
MAZ-190-510-1350F

323/MX5 1.6/1.8L
.787”
1.890””
5.228”
.860”
Call
MAZ-200-480-1328F

626/MX6/Probe V6 2.5L
.787”
2.205”
5.426”
.838”
Call
MAZ-200-560-1378F

MX6 turbo/Probe turbo 2.2L
.866”
2.126”
6.240”
1.058”
Call
MAZ-220-540-1585F


Cost/$US

Set of 4
784.00

Set of 6
1176.00

Set of 8
1568.00

they even do custom setups

[1 SICK GT]

ok I'll bite, the pauters hold 1000hp? where can I get a set at?
If it saves from too much headache then its ok by me, what about the sleeves? have you gotten those figured out to? how much? what size are you looking to go?

i was thinking of calling pauter directly because i'm gonna need mine modified

rods are 1,176.00

as for as sleeving i was in between sending my block to aebs or darton for the sleeves. leaning more toowards aebs racing because they deal with pauter and je, and they can call in the specs i need, i just need to find someone here to put it all together

[1 SICK GT]

here's a picture of some pauter rods

http://pauter.com/4340%20Rods_files/4rodb.jpg

[Twinturbo6]

well I am so interested in what your doing as long as you don't mind me, doing the same thing?
Although if I can find some one to put togeather the TKT set up, it might just as well....

[1 SICK GT]

well I am so interested in what your doing as long as you don't mind me, doing the same thing?

double post sorry

[1 SICK GT]

well I am so interested in what your doing as long as you don't mind me, doing the same thing?

more the merry i don't mind


we need to meet up some time and talk are you going to myrtle madness

[Twinturbo6]

Actually I am stuck in Iraq at the moment, which is why I need someone else to help assembly a new motor for me.

[1 SICK GT]

Actually I am stuck in Iraq at the moment, which is why I need someone else to help assembly a new motor for me.

well when you get back we can meet up, jus keep your head down and watch where you step, i've been over there before i went to the first gulf war

i was a 13 bravo (field artillery)

[Twinturbo6]

thanks I appreciate that. really.

I am scheduled to return in jan. we need to meet up and discuss the possibilitys

[1 SICK GT]

thanks I appreciate that. really.

I am scheduled to return in jan. we need to meet up and discuss the possibilitys

ok keep in touch