The ignorance is blistering

[tony]

On both sides, its fucking ridiculous. Between Obama supporters (who probably werent half as involved in the primaries) who are gloating and the John McCain supporters who are whining.. both sides need to grow the fuck up.

To those who support Obama and feel the need to argue, criticize and rub it in peoples face; that man said not one bad thing about John McCain or Sarah Palin OR George Bush. He showed humility, didn't gloat although he easily could have, follow his example if you're such a staunch supporter.

Honestly I question anyone who wants to put down those who voted McCain. As a long time supporter of Obama since the Iowa caucuses, I've gone through this with Clinton voters. When Barack beat her the animosity was much worse than it is now with people who voted for John McCain, but we knew in order to win the general election there had to be some kind of common ground. This is no different, arguing gets you nowhere except division and more animosity.

To those who support McCain, all I can say is give the man a chance before you write him off. He will be the Commander in Chief, that will not change. But as I said before I've been a supporter since January, I didn't like Barack much in the beginning but when I sat down and actually listened to the man, see it from his side.. I understood. Barack is not who a lot of people paint him to be in the media. Contrary to belief he is not a Socialist. Obama is pretty well centered politically but in order for him to win the democratic nomination he had to shift left.. there was no other way.

If you listened to his speech you heard the real Obama. He will work with McCain, he will work with Palin politically. I have no doubt in my mind he will win over a lot of you that are upset with his nomination. I'm not saying go out and buy Obama gear.. jump behind him completely and not question what he does. Hold the man accountable, but at the same time open up your minds and at least be objective to the future of this country under an Obama administration. And I apologize for those Obama supporters who lack tact and humility, understand those who have really been in the trenches with this campaign are not like that.

May I also just say I was annoyed how last night the news outlets constantly cut to black get togethers.. why not show the NATION celebrating? Anyway, just my :2cents: , lets be adults about this.

[Firefightin_tC]

Spoken like it should be.

x2.

[4dmin]

Great Post. I think America has everything to GAIN and nothing to lose. We are in one of the worst economic positions since the great depression. Stock Market has never seen such drops in one day. We are spread thin on multiple fronts w/ success no where in sight. Job loss, bankruptcy, foreclosure all at record highs for our modern times. Give the guy 4 years and see what he can do.

[BobbyFresco]

I agree Tony and I apologize. Shit gets the best of me, moreso when ignorant shit is being said. I guess I'm no better for taking part in the back and forth jackassery.

[roscoe]

i agree. no use is making it a big deal about if who u voted for won or not. in the end our nation just need changes. either candidate would have made a great president. now lets all move on and grow up

[Vteckidd]

The ignorance coming out is astounding, but we knew this was going to happen.

Give it a few days to calm down

[blackboi50]

reps if i can tony!!!! i didnt even vote but the ignorance in here is at a gawd awful level!!!

the way i told my dad last night about the ignorance is that americans are gonna treat this like 9-11......it happened and for a week everybody stopped honking horns in NYC and kept saying united we stand........when the week was up we were back to cussing out everyone again!!!

everybody is madd about Obama but in a bout a week or 2 everybody will forget!!!......Its Americans for u!!! :2cents:.....1

[BanginJimmy]

I hope you Obama supporters are right and he is only as bad as McCain.

[patrick4588]

I hope you Obama supporters are right and he is only as bad as McCain.

x2, however, i doubt it. nothing can be done now though. just watch and wait

[T-Mo Goodie]

great post... I haven't read the bullsiht yet but I knew it would be coming. Not necessarily here but all over.

I also grew annoyed by the media focusing on the "black" get togethers....

[blacknightteg]

amen tony, good post. reps.

[tony]

I liked two excerpts from Obama's speech;



If there is anyone out there who still doubts that America is a place where all things are possible, who still wonders if the dream of our founders is alive in our time, who still questions the power of our democracy, tonight is your answer.

It's the answer spoken by young and old, rich and poor, Democrat and Republican, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, Native American, gay, straight, disabled and not disabled. Americans who sent a message to the world that we have never been just a collection of individuals or a collection of red states and blue states.

We are, and always will be, the United States of America.



In this country, we rise or fall as one nation, as one people. Let's resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long.

Let's remember that it was a man from this state who first carried the banner of the Republican Party to the White House, a party founded on the values of self-reliance and individual liberty and national unity.

Those are values that we all share. And while the Democratic Party has won a great victory tonight, we do so with a measure of humility and determination to heal the divides that have held back our progress.

As Lincoln said to a nation far more divided than ours, we are not enemies but friends. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection.

And to those Americans whose support I have yet to earn, I may not have won your vote tonight, but I hear your voices. I need your help. And I will be your president, too.

[BanginJimmy]

In this country, we rise or fall as one nation, as one people. Let's resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long.

I wonder when he decided to not to vote strictly along party lines. I know that in his 12+ years in politics he hasnt done it yet.


Let's remember that it was a man from this state who first carried the banner of the Republican Party to the White House, a party founded on the values of self-reliance and individual liberty

He mentions this, yet all of his policies are the exact opposite. He is against self relaince and prefers relaince on the govt.



And while the Democratic Party has won a great victory tonight, we do so with a measure of humility and determination to heal the divides that have held back our progress.

The democrats are the ones that have created the divides and refused to work with Bush or the Republicans for the last 2 years. You dont need to look any further than Pelosi to see that.


And to those Americans whose support I have yet to earn, I may not have won your vote tonight, but I hear your voices. I need your help. And I will be your president, too.

He will hear it, then ignore it as that moving towards the right will case him to lose votes, and we all know that votes are the #1 priority of any politican. For him to earn any support from me he has to dump pretty much every program he has campaigned on. His healthcare plan is a joke. His lack of an immigration plan is obvious. His punish the rich tax plan will further hurt the economy.


All in all it was an ok speech, but really no susbstance. A few empty unity lines, but they were so transparant it was comical.

[tony]

I don't see why you even respond Jimmy because nothing he can do in your eyes is good enough.

[Deke]

The democrats are the ones that have created the divides and refused to work with Bush or the Republicans for the last 2 years. You dont need to look any further than Pelosi to see that.


The republicans are the ones that have created the divides and refused to work with congress or the opinions of the people for the last 2 years. You dont need to look any further than Bush to see that.

If you really think it only goes one way...well then nothing I say will really matter.

[BanginJimmy]

I don't see why you even respond Jimmy because nothing he can do in your eyes is good enough.

If you dont think his sppech last night was transparant you were listening with your heart and not your brain. I expect a certian amount of political banter from any political speech, but nothing Obama has EVER done in his career would point me to even consider the possibility that he will work across the aisle.

I would be happy to look over anything you can find to prove me wrong. I have looked and I cannot find anything.

[Barefoot]

I wonder when he decided to not to vote strictly along party lines. I know that in his 12+ years in politics he hasnt done it yet.



He mentions this, yet all of his policies are the exact opposite. He is against self relaince and prefers relaince on the govt.




The democrats are the ones that have created the divides and refused to work with Bush or the Republicans for the last 2 years. You dont need to look any further than Pelosi to see that.



He will hear it, then ignore it as that moving towards the right will case him to lose votes, and we all know that votes are the #1 priority of any politican. For him to earn any support from me he has to dump pretty much every program he has campaigned on. His healthcare plan is a joke. His lack of an immigration plan is obvious. His punish the rich tax plan will further hurt the economy.


All in all it was an ok speech, but really no susbstance. A few empty unity lines, but they were so transparant it was comical.wow cant even let the man have the speech. time to stop stroking mccains cock. the people have spoken.

[tony]

What substance was there supposed to be? Its a victory speech not a State of the Union address. Geez, its supposed to be political banter "you can count on me, thanks to blah blah" and nothing more.

Even the Chairman of the RNC just said that Obama has shifted from left to centrist.

[BanginJimmy]

The republicans are the ones that have created the divides and refused to work with congress or the opinions of the people for the last 2 years. You dont need to look any further than Bush to see that.

what policy has Bush passed in the last 2 years against the Dems opposion? I know that during the worst part of the gas crisis in August, Pelosi sent the house on a 5 week vacation while publicly ignoring an energy bill presented by the republicans.


If you really think it only goes one way...well then nothing I say will really matter.

In the last 2 years it has been the Dems. Before that, he repubs were completely spineless and just sat in congress and did nothing.

[BanginJimmy]

What substance was there supposed to be? Its a victory speech not a State of the Union address. Geez, its supposed to be political banter "you can count on me, thanks to blah blah" and nothing more.

Ok, I see your point and I will concede that maybe I am looking too much into it.


Even the Chairman of the RNC just said that Obama has shifted from left to centrist.

I have said for a long time he is drifting right, but was that only when he was pushing for more independant voters from the right, or was he starting to see that his policies were truely dangerous? That is something that only time will tell.

[jwrape]

Ahhh, well, it's done... Now we ALL have to sit back and watch. We'll see. Maybe it won't be bad, maybe it will. I'm gonna have to look at the glass as half full. Otherwise, well I am disappointed. But there is some good in Obama but lets hope the good out weighs the bad. Only time will tell.

Personaly i hope he gets us out of Iraq, but I also hope he does it in a manner that doesn't affect our credibitily as the United States of America, the greatest country in the world.

[jwrape]

Ahhh, well, it's done... Now we ALL have to sit back and watch. We'll see. Maybe it won't be bad, maybe it will. I'm gonna have to look at the glass as half full. Otherwise, well I am disappointed. But there is some good in Obama but lets hope the good out weighs the bad. Only time will tell.

Personaly i hope he gets us out of Iraq, but I also hope he does it in a manner that doesn't affect our credibitily as the United States of America, the greatest country in the world.

[Kevykev]

Good post Tony, most people haven't thought about the fact that with "change"* comes large resistance. Before the automobile revolutionized America, the idea was looked down upon, most were scared and resisted the change. Now look at how American's view that market. For those who are negative, please continue, you all are needed to make this journey even more triumphant. Every success story has it's few doubters so keep doin' watcha doin'.

on a side note, Both campaigns are made up of "people" correct? We all know what stupidity people are capable of, almost no different than the super bowl when you think about it.



* I didn't say change because it was the central focus of his campaign, this really is "change" whether you chose to agree or not! If the Mccain/Palin ticket prevail, I would've wished them the same success because it's us that they're supposed to be working for.

[alpine_aw11]

EVERYONE is so damn ignorant it's astounding. Everyone is running around with their Obama shirts on at school today. I did the Howard Stern thing. Telling them McCain's policies and asking how excited they were about them, of course they all took it hook line and sinker. I even got a few of them asking if they think Palin is going to be a good VP. And then of course I had McCain supporters jabbering on about the socialist africans taking over now. The American public sucks so hard.

[BanginJimmy]

it's us that they're supposed to be working for.

If you really think ANY politican is working for you, then you really are in for a rude awakening.

[willum14pb]

i got about a million im's/phone calls/facebook myspace wallposts from my black friends saying "we won". Now that's ignorance.

[Kevykev]

^ I call BS........ on the YOU having black friends part. :lmfao:

:cheers:



If you really think ANY politican is working for you, then you really are in for a rude awakening.

Well Jimmy, you know how that goes, Notice how i try my BEST to choose my words wisely when making statement like that. Emphasis placed on "Supposed to Be"

Man can never fix this world, place your faith in man and you've failed.

[alpine_aw11]

i got about a million im's/phone calls/facebook myspace wallposts from my black friends saying "we won". Now that's ignorance.

Well I wasn't going to mention this for fear of epic flaming but now I have to...

ALL of the Obama shirt wearing people today were black, and when asked(of course before I proved their stupidity through my above post) why they voted for Obama, it was because he is black. Half of them didn't even vote. I'm not saying it was a factor, democrats have always had the black vote, and they always will. I know some blacks personally who voted for his policies, but out in the public, I'm sorry to say it is a bad situation. A few even criticized me of racism when I said I wrote in Ron Paul, even though none of them knew who he is. And I'm at college, this isn't out on the street where far dumber people of every race are found. Of course we also have the ignorant racist whites, and that's why I have grown to hate the American public as a whole.

IF YOU DONT KNOW WHY THE FUCK YOU'RE VOTING, DONT DO IT. KTHX.

[1slowLt1]

I was a hardcore McCain supporter and hope i am wrong about Obama. I will be happy if he does everything he said he was gonna do and help the country get out of the mess it was in.

[Kevykev]

Well I wasn't going to mention this for fear of epic flaming but now I have to...

ALL of the Obama shirt wearing people today were black, and when asked(of course before I proved their stupidity through my above post) why they voted for Obama, it was because he is black. Half of them didn't even vote. I'm not saying it was a factor, democrats have always had the black vote, and they always will. I know some blacks personally who voted for his policies, but out in the public, I'm sorry to say it is a bad situation. A few even criticized me of racism when I said I wrote in Ron Paul, even though none of them knew who he is. And I'm at college, this isn't out on the street where far dumber people of every race are found. Of course we also have the ignorant racist whites, and that's why I have grown to hate the American public as a whole.

IF YOU DONT KNOW WHY THE FUCK YOU'RE VOTING, DONT DO IT. KTHX.

Oh by the way...

Did you get a chance to speak to any of the ignorant white folks that voted Republican because the always have and will. You know, the folks that know nothing of Mccain's policies, NOTHING, and still think Obama is muslim. the one's who supported Palin because "we need a woman in the white house"

I have!

I have spoken to both sides and have responded the same way to the ignorance with a simple shaking of my head from left to right.

[Firefightin_tC]

Well I wasn't going to mention this for fear of epic flaming but now I have to...

ALL of the Obama shirt wearing people today were black, and when asked(of course before I proved their stupidity through my above post) why they voted for Obama, it was because he is black. Half of them didn't even vote. I'm not saying it was a factor, democrats have always had the black vote, and they always will. I know some blacks personally who voted for his policies, but out in the public, I'm sorry to say it is a bad situation. A few even criticized me of racism when I said I wrote in Ron Paul, even though none of them knew who he is. And I'm at college, this isn't out on the street where far dumber people of every race are found. Of course we also have the ignorant racist whites, and that's why I have grown to hate the American public as a whole.

IF YOU DONT KNOW WHY THE FUCK YOU'RE VOTING, DONT DO IT. KTHX.

I'm not trying to start shit with this, but at the same time there are white people who voted from McCain because they refused to vote for a black guy.

The street goes two ways.

And for those who you assume didn't vote. How do you know? Did you ask them? Did you check the records?

Just simple questions and realizations.

The election is over now, getting upset over it at this point is just...well...usless.

[willum14pb]

^ I call BS........ on the YOU having black friends part. :lmfao:

:cheers:




Well Jimmy, you know how that goes, Notice how i try my BEST to choose my words wisely when making statement like that. Emphasis placed on "Supposed to Be"

Man can never fix this world, place your faith in man and you've failed.


hey hey, i love monkeys just as much as the next person! lol all jokes aside, i'd say 40% of my friends are black.

[blackboi50]

hey hey, i love monkeys just as much as the next person! lol all jokes aside, i'd say 40% of my friends are black.

if u know the percentage of how many of your friends are black u are racist!!!....what are u counting them or something???? :lmfao:....1

[alpine_aw11]

Lol I guess you guys skipped over where I mentioned those McCain loving whiteys......

Typical. And yes, I hate them even more than the black people I spoke to because they are outright racists. Although the blacks I spoke to would not have been so enthusiastic had Obama been white....

In conclusion, everyone sucks.

[alpine_aw11]

I'm not trying to start shit with this, but at the same time there are white people who voted from McCain because they refused to vote for a black guy.

The street goes two ways.

And for those who you assume didn't vote. How do you know? Did you ask them? Did you check the records?

Just simple questions and realizations.

The election is over now, getting upset over it at this point is just...well...usless.

Yes, I asked them. Apparently they haven't grasped the concept that if you didn't vote "because there were long lines" then STFU DUMBASS

[Kevykev]

In conclusion, everyone sucks.

This is True in many accounts.

[The Creeper]

I think this election was a total failure. I mean it is bad enough we have such a great divide between the democrats and the republicans, but this time just added another great divide, black and white. I have heard a lot of black people say this is a win for the black community. How ignorant is that to say? This should of been looked upon as a win for the American people as a whole, if you voted and believed in Sen Obama. All this election really accomplished was putting the ignorance of the American public in the spot light. Imagine if Obama had lost, the black community would of been outraged and blamed it on racism. Look how pathetic some of the ignorant white people acted during this election, saying Obama was a muslim terrorist and such, I mean come on, that is not even a realistic possibility. Both sides showed ugliness and ignorance, and the media put it as the spotlight of this election, and it truly makes me sick. This election furthered my lack of confidence and faith in the American public, and right now im ashamed to be an American. Just some of my thoughts:2cents:

[Total_Blender]

Look how pathetic some of the ignorant white people acted during this election, saying Obama was a muslim terrorist and such, I mean come on, that is not even a realistic possibility.

This is at least one reason why its a great moment for the Black community. All the ignorance and smears that were thrown at Obama didn't work. :goodjob:

[The Creeper]

This is at least one reason why its a great moment for the Black community. All the ignorance and smears that were thrown at Obama didn't work. :goodjob:

No offense, but you might of totally missed my point. People need to stop looking at things as black vs. white. Stop making this a racial thing, and look at it as an American win, a win for society. Im glad the accusations of him being a terrorist muslim had no substance and feel sorry for the poeple that bought into that useless BS. I did not vote for Obama, but I didn't because of his politcal views, not because I thought he was some closet terrorist who was ready to destroy America; not because he was black. In my eyes, voting for him because he is black is just as bad as not voting for him because he is black.

Obama ran a very intelligent campaign, and he is a very intelligent, well educated person. He targeted his campaign towards young Americans. College students, first time voters, the younger generation as a whole for a reason. He preached change and preached to the young voters to get out there and vote, and make a difference. Generally speaking, the younger crowd is easily manipulated, especially considering how uneducated they are on politics. Obama won the popularity contest we call an election, and he won it strategically with a well ran campaign directed towards the younger generation. He played the game of politics, and played it well. Now we will see what he does with his position as president come January, and I hope he does well.:2cents:

[stephen]

GREAT POST TONY!

one thing that a lot of us are forgetting is that georgia has a pretty diverse population. there are parts of town where white people are the majority, black people are the majority, asians are the majority, hispanics are the majority, etc. we all know that in those particular communities have their own lifestyles (based off of the masses culture...both positive and negative). so we shouldn't be shocked or amazed to see this massive change in AMERICAN HISTORY/CULTURE have such drastic effects on the people. most importantly, if you see someone who is enjoying the moment...why feel the need to rain on their parade? attempting to make fools of people does nothing to better the american public...i promise you that. like it was said before, after 9/11 all of a sudden...all of america just turned "PATRIOTIC." flags all over houses, cars, shirts, etc....and i bet some people couldn't even explain what the stars and stripes mean...does that make them any less proud of their country? less educate; maybe. less proud; no.

last thing...

people making all of these bipartisan complaints need to get over it. we all know partisanship is more of a gimmick than anything. in a perfect world...EVERYONE'S own view point would be the "say all, end all." well...things are never perfect...so we tend to gravitate to a particular party whose views we can relate to. as stated before...this applies to everyone...voters AND CANDIDATES. being upset because someone's own view of the government, falls more in line with the party they associate themselves with (for the reason i stated above), and they don't have a "history" of bucking the system...doesn't make them any more different than YOU and why/how you associate yourself with a particular party.

if you still want to be hard-headed, and need a few points where he "crossed the aisle:"

darfur legislation - with sam brownback
nuclear proliferation - with dick lugar
ethics reform bill - with tom coburn

[BanginJimmy]

darfur legislation - with sam brownback

Do you have a name for this bill? I was able to find an essay written by the 2, but Brownback was a represenative while Obama is a senator so they 2 couldnt sponsor a bill together.



nuclear proliferation - with dick lugar

I couldnt find any info on a bill for proliferation. Only a bill seeking funding for research.



[QUOTE=stephen]ethics reform bill - with tom coburn

This is decent legislation, but Obama nor Coburn had anything to dow ith the original legislation, only the amanedments. It is also something that Obama, McCain and the Senate leaders from both parties violated.

The violated portion: • A prohibition on buying votes with earmarks.

This was 1 of 5 amendments that Obama, McCain and Coburn sponsored. We all know it was recently violated with the the passing of the bailout package.

[stephen]

Do you have a name for this bill? I was able to find an essay written by the 2, but Brownback was a represenative while Obama is a senator so they 2 couldnt sponsor a bill together.

both co-sponsored DARFUR ACCOUNTABILITY ACT

both co-sponsored DARFUR PEACE AND ACCOUNTABILITY ACT

both co-sponsored DARFUR CIVILIAN PROTECTION LEGISLATION

both co-sponsored DARFUR NO-FLY ZONE LEGISLATION

both co-sponsored DARFUR SUDAN DIVESTMENT AUTHORIZATION ACT

both co-sponsored CHINA RESOLUTION

also i found this link: http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/2007/05/obama-and-brownback-team-up-on-iran.html

^^^ this one has to do with IRAN LEGISLATION...mostly addressing oil investments into the country. wasn't that a premise in palin's stump speeches....that we're being destroyed by foreign oil?

OBAMA AND RICHARD (DICK) LUGAR:

a link about the law they both helped pass: http://www.fas.org/asmp/campaigns/MANPADS/2005/LugarObama.htm

there was already a bill sponsored by lugar and nunn...the bill has been amended on 3 different occassions...the final with the help of obama (which help to reduce small arms and ammunition in the hands of terrorist).


Dick Lugar, is Indiana's Republican, senior senator and has frequently been named as a top choice for Obama's secretary of state. Lugar is regarded as a foreign policy expert and has chaired the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, now chaired by Joe Biden. Obama recently stoked cabinet predictions by citing Lugar at the final debate as one of the people "who have shaped my ideas [on foreign policy] and who will be surrounding me in the White House."

sounds like reaching across party lines to me...

[pbstarr1]

I think this election was a total failure. I mean it is bad enough we have such a great divide between the democrats and the republicans, but this time just added another great divide, black and white. I have heard a lot of black people say this is a win for the black community. How ignorant is that to say? This should of been looked upon as a win for the American people as a whole, if you voted and believed in Sen Obama. All this election really accomplished was putting the ignorance of the American public in the spot light. Imagine if Obama had lost, the black community would of been outraged and blamed it on racism. Look how pathetic some of the ignorant white people acted during this election, saying Obama was a muslim terrorist and such, I mean come on, that is not even a realistic possibility. Both sides showed ugliness and ignorance, and the media put it as the spotlight of this election, and it truly makes me sick. This election furthered my lack of confidence and faith in the American public, and right now im ashamed to be an American. Just some of my thoughts:2cents:

Come on man, how many blk presidents can you count on one hand. African Americans have the right to be very happy and pleased b/c this is a very historic moment for the african american race. Can we just enjoy the moment, you have for the past 400 years. I totally understand people all over the world are going to be ignorant and unfair but even 61% of the white population thought Obama should have won. So please man out of the kindness of your heart let the americans and definitley the african americans enjoy the moment!!!:cheers: God Bless America

[The Creeper]

Come on man, how many blk presidents can you count on one hand. African Americans have the right to be very happy and pleased b/c this is a very historic moment for the african american race. Can we just enjoy the moment, you have for the past 400 years. I totally understand people all over the world are going to be ignorant and unfair but even 61% of the white population thought Obama should have won. So please man out of the kindness of your heart let the americans and definitley the african americans enjoy the moment!!!:cheers: God Bless America

Fair enough, but it does show racist are a dieing breed. Always a good thing.:cheers:

[BanginJimmy]

On both sides, its fucking ridiculous. Between Obama supporters (who probably werent half as involved in the primaries) who are gloating and the John McCain supporters who are whining.. both sides need to grow the fuck up.

To those who support Obama and feel the need to argue, criticize and rub it in peoples face; that man said not one bad thing about John McCain or Sarah Palin OR George Bush. He showed humility, didn't gloat although he easily could have, follow his example if you're such a staunch supporter.

Honestly I question anyone who wants to put down those who voted McCain. As a long time supporter of Obama since the Iowa caucuses, I've gone through this with Clinton voters. When Barack beat her the animosity was much worse than it is now with people who voted for John McCain, but we knew in order to win the general election there had to be some kind of common ground. This is no different, arguing gets you nowhere except division and more animosity.

To those who support McCain, all I can say is give the man a chance before you write him off. He will be the Commander in Chief, that will not change. But as I said before I've been a supporter since January, I didn't like Barack much in the beginning but when I sat down and actually listened to the man, see it from his side.. I understood. Barack is not who a lot of people paint him to be in the media. Contrary to belief he is not a Socialist. Obama is pretty well centered politically but in order for him to win the democratic nomination he had to shift left.. there was no other way.

If you listened to his speech you heard the real Obama. He will work with McCain, he will work with Palin politically. I have no doubt in my mind he will win over a lot of you that are upset with his nomination. I'm not saying go out and buy Obama gear.. jump behind him completely and not question what he does. Hold the man accountable, but at the same time open up your minds and at least be objective to the future of this country under an Obama administration. And I apologize for those Obama supporters who lack tact and humility, understand those who have really been in the trenches with this campaign are not like that.

May I also just say I was annoyed how last night the news outlets constantly cut to black get togethers.. why not show the NATION celebrating? Anyway, just my :2cents: , lets be adults about this.


Bringing this back from the dead to see how many of the Messiah's supports still believe any of this. I bolded some of my favorite parts.

[BanginJimmy]

This is decent legislation, but Obama nor Coburn had anything to dow ith the original legislation, only the amanedments. It is also something that Obama, McCain and the Senate leaders from both parties violated.

The violated portion: • A prohibition on buying votes with earmarks.

This was 1 of 5 amendments that Obama, McCain and Coburn sponsored. We all know it was recently violated with the the passing of the bailout package.


I just found this also. This idiot Obama actually violated an amendment THAT HE FUCKING SPONSORED.

[preferredduck]

honestly obama has lied about every campaign promise that he made so to me he is a sell out to wall street. case in point. i'll get references for you later. he is worse than bush, more secretive, and thinks he is furthur above the law than bush/cheney. they all need to be tried for treason!!!

[tony]

He's a politician, big suprise. The problem is some people (like myself) thought him to be above politics.. we were wrong.

[5speed]

He's a politician, big suprise. The problem is some people (like myself) thought him to be above politics.. we were wrong.
A rare breed, so rare infact that most say it doesnt exist. Obama never gave off that vibe to me, neither has any other politician...except Bob Barr.

[BanginJimmy]

He's a politician, big suprise. The problem is some people (like myself) thought him to be above politics.. we were wrong.

Come on now Tony. All you had to do is look at his record since he stepped into politics and you could easily see through all of the lies he told during the campaign.

Remember when you called us all ignorant when we pointed it out to you?

[One_Bad_SHO]

Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8

[tony]

Come on now Tony. All you had to do is look at his record since he stepped into politics and you could easily see through all of the lies he told during the campaign.

Remember when you called us all ignorant when we pointed it out to you?

My memory is not that short, many of the arguments against Obama during the general election hardly dealt with his policy and was more along the lines of his lack of executive experience or how unpatriotic he was supposedly. Hell he kept his promise on bipartisanship and that is the reason the public option was thrown out. Regardless I'm sure I'd be 10 times as disappointed in McCain at this point as I am in Obama.

[BanginJimmy]

My memory is not that short, many of the arguments against Obama during the general election hardly dealt with his policy and was more along the lines of his lack of executive experience or how unpatriotic he was supposedly.

Actually you are wrong. Most of the arguments were for his hard left politics and his straight party line votes.




Hell he kept his promise on bipartisanship and that is the reason the public option was thrown out.

Wrong again. Govt option was thrown out because dems in the senate said no to it. GOP has no say in anything that is in that bill as proven by the fact that dems decided to do away with the bi-partisan conference to reconcile the bills and decided to do it with only dem leadership behind closed doors.




Regardless I'm sure I'd be 10 times as disappointed in McCain at this point as I am in Obama.

What ever happened to giving people a chance? Or does that only apply when your guy wins?