Oh My WOW

[Alan®]

Obama came out and I got chill bumps. No matter what anyone says tonight is absolutely historic and I am proud to have seen it and participated in it.

[stephen]

seriously man....dude has the coolest temperment i've ever seen. my mom was in tears man. i'm glad to have been around during this time also.

mccain delivered an amazing speech also. he gained a lot of respect from me. by the way...if you can't get a beer saturday, i'll buy you some milk or soda! lol i keed i keed!

[JR VQ 30 de]

Obama came out and I got chill bumps. No matter what anyone says tonight is absolutely historic and I am proud to have seen it and participated in it.

same here yo

[Alan®]

seriously man....dude has the coolest temperment i've ever seen. my mom was in tears man. i'm glad to have been around during this time also.

mccain delivered an amazing speech also. he gained a lot of respect from me. by the way...if you can't get a beer saturday, i'll buy you some milk or soda! lol i keed i keed!
This is just an unreal time. He came out and these chill bumps of excitement ran down my body.

Like I have said repeatedly now. I may not agree with the guy but to ignore the fact that this is a historic night is pure ignorance.

[MachNU]

Man who gives a fuck if it was historic. Everyone going to be saying that when he drives this nation into the ground. Basically the United States has just become the new Mexico. THis nation is fucked as a whole, and people are to blind to see that yet. Come 2010 people tones are going to change when you hear people who voted for Obama going... "Wow we fucked up!"

[bigdare23]

^^^ STFU

[Dracc]

Man who gives a fuck if it was historic. Everyone going to be saying that when he drives this nation into the ground. Basically the United States has just become the new Mexico. THis nation is fucked as a whole, and people are to blind to see that yet. Come 2010 people tones are going to change when you hear people who voted for Obama going... "Wow we fucked up!"



and they said the same for bush and gave that fool two terms

[Firefightin_tC]

Man who gives a fuck if it was historic. Everyone going to be saying that when he drives this nation into the ground. Basically the United States has just become the new Mexico. THis nation is fucked as a whole, and people are to blind to see that yet. Come 2010 people tones are going to change when you hear people who voted for Obama going... "Wow we fucked up!"

Give it a rest.

[94ludeguy]

well isnt that the same thing every is saying about bush. at the end of this term it "blame bush" but at the beginning its hes "the answer"...at 1st bush is the answer then its blame bush... its an endless cycle...you dont like the way it is in 2 years vote and change congress then tie the hand of the president...its a beautiful thing call checks and balances

[WHT_EP3]

STFU and GTFO, seriously its cause the damn republicans we are in the situation we are in. Bush was not eve suppose to be in power in the first place.
fu_ck the trickle-down theory bull sh!t tax brakes to the rich and make the poor even worst....
OBAMA baby im glad i voted tonight.

[Tree]

my mom is in tears and this is the craziest thing the world could never see.. i have to say i'm only 18 and i'm dumb founded, and i wish him best of luck

[94ludeguy]

^^^^ STFU and GTFO, seriously its cause the damn republicans we are in the situation we are in.
fu_ck the trickle-down theory bull sh!t tax brakes to the rich and make the poor even worst....
OBAMA baby im glad i voted tonight

is that toward me cuz i didnt vote republican

[WHT_EP3]

is that toward me cuz i didnt vote republican
no not to you, to the dumbass Hating

[pbstarr1]

Man who gives a fuck if it was historic. Everyone going to be saying that when he drives this nation into the ground. Basically the United States has just become the new Mexico. THis nation is fucked as a whole, and people are to blind to see that yet. Come 2010 people tones are going to change when you hear people who voted for Obama going... "Wow we fucked up!"
damn man you are a hater. Just sit back and chill out everything is going to be find. At least give him a chance.

[Mik2006]

some thing i read on a comment on utube witch pretty much sums up my thought to.

All you people already trashing Obama's presidency, FUCK YOU, if you don't support your president, YOU DON'T SUPPORT YOUR COUNTRY, WHERE'S YOUR 'PATRIOTISM NOW' FUCKERS? How do you expect anyone to do a good job if you will keep opposing them even after they have won? If anyone ruins the country, it is YOU PEOPLE.

[Alan®]

STFU and GTFO, seriously its cause the damn republicans we are in the situation we are in. Bush was not eve suppose to be in power in the first place.
fu_ck the trickle-down theory bull sh!t tax brakes to the rich and make the poor even worst....
OBAMA baby im glad i voted tonight.
LOL. Dude please pipe down. Not everything was the republicans fault.

[MachNU]

damn man you are a hater. Just sit back and chill out everything is going to be find. At least give him a chance.

Not hating just pisses me off when you see people vote for historical purpose or racial purpose! Its stupid, and its not hating when it fact. He is going to drive this nation into the ground. Hell look at most of the jokes spreading around now about people trying to find out how to get on welfare and such now, becuase the goverment is going to pay every lazy asses way by taking money from the achievers!

[94ludeguy]

some thing i read on a comment on utube witch pretty much sums up my thought to.

All you people already trashing Obama's presidency, FUCK YOU, if you don't support your president, YOU DON'T SUPPORT YOUR COUNTRY, WHERE'S YOUR 'PATRIOTISM NOW' FUCKERS? How do you expect anyone to do a good job if you will keep opposing them even after they have won? If anyone ruins the country, it is YOU PEOPLE.

i agree but heres a good quote for ya by one of the greatest presidents ever

President Theodore Roosevelt To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.

[BanginJimmy]

We will see how things are going to work out.

I wonder who Bush is going to pardon in his final days. I hope the list isnt nearly as distinguished as Clinton's.

[94ludeguy]

Not hating just pisses me off when you see people vote for historical purpose or racial purpose! Its stupid, and its not hating when it fact. He is going to drive this nation into the ground. Hell look at most of the jokes spreading around now about people trying to find out how to get on welfare and such now, becuase the goverment is going to pay every lazy asses way by taking money from the achievers!

if i was blind and didnt know he was black i would of still not voted for mccain... hell they have TV shows making fun of bush what are you trying to say

[BanginJimmy]

some thing i read on a comment on utube witch pretty much sums up my thought to.

All you people already trashing Obama's presidency, FUCK YOU, if you don't support your president, YOU DON'T SUPPORT YOUR COUNTRY, WHERE'S YOUR 'PATRIOTISM NOW' FUCKERS? How do you expect anyone to do a good job if you will keep opposing them even after they have won? If anyone ruins the country, it is YOU PEOPLE.

The dems have been doing this exact thing since they got into power in 06.

[The Creeper]

LOL at people who think just because this is history in the making, it means it's a good thing. Hitler made history too, and last time i checked, that was a sad time in history. What is even more sad is it took a black man to run for president to get a record turn out from the black community. This election was pathetic, from both parties, from the general public, from all races. It brought out the ugliness in people and showcased the ignorance of the general public.:2cents:

[MachNU]

if i was blind and didnt know he was black i would of still not voted for mccain... hell they have TV shows making fun of bush what are you trying to say

LOL what are you trying to argue. You telling me you vote pending who the late night shows, south park, and all other comedy shows make fun of? I would like a reason as to what you agreed with Obama on as to why you voted for him.

[blurred visions]

Give it a rest.


Exactly, its just beating a dead horse. Republicans have had 8 years and they've made decisions that HAVE PUT US in economical turmoil, thats it, thats the point, republicans have no room to throw mud, period.

If more than anything, we have someone intelligent in charge, someone that can think quickly, clearly, and fairly. He's young and ready to WORK for this country, but the most important promise that I hope he fulfills is being honest with the people, talking straight to us.

[Timinater]

im just wondering how long he will be able to stay alive

[stephen]

Not hating just pisses me off when you see people vote for historical purpose or racial purpose! Its stupid, and its not hating when it fact. He is going to drive this nation into the ground. Hell look at most of the jokes spreading around now about people trying to find out how to get on welfare and such now, becuase the goverment is going to pay every lazy asses way by taking money from the achievers!

the point of this particular thread had little to do with politics...it was about the actual historic moment. you say "it's fact," but how can it be when the man has yet to do anything??? the jokes that these people are making only prove their ignorance. you want to a joke...i'll make one up for you. now black people have the opportunity to be a part of the "elite" and can qualify for corporate welfare in the future. hell, maybe there will be a 2020 wallstreet bailout, and i'll be able to take $700B of your kid's money to support my 500% salary bonus.

it's useless to explain any of this to you, because you've already made up your mind. i hope you continue your "concerns" for our country, and maybe you'll be a volunteer for the candidate that you support. take your speeches door to door, make buttons, do something...

[blurred visions]

im just wondering how long he will be able to stay alive

If someone didn't take him out with that perfect opportunity tonight, then I doubt anything will happen.

[DB4LYFE ™]

im just wondering how long he will be able to stay alive

Not just him, us, we r fvcked!

~DB4LYFE

[tony]

I think I was the only one in my family not in tears.. the moment is bittersweet but theres a long road ahead to get all emotional.

The main thing I liked about Obama's speech is that it wasnt over the top, and he kind of reminded folks that look.. I'm not the answer to ALL of your problems, and resolution wont come overnight but I am going to work with you to get things done. It was almost as if he wanted people to remain grounded instead of letting their imaginations run free.

[BanginJimmy]

Exactly, its just beating a dead horse. Republicans have had 8 years and they've made decisions that HAVE PUT US in economical turmoil, thats it, thats the point, republicans have no room to throw mud, period.

which policies are those?


If more than anything, we have someone intelligent in charge, someone that can think quickly, clearly, and fairly. He's young and ready to WORK for this country, but the most important promise that I hope he fulfills is being honest with the people, talking straight to us.

Have you not paid any attention to this election? Every time Obama spoke without the teleprompter he stumbled around and/or said something wrong. Yes he is young, but is he ready to work for the country or for his party? His record to date says he is ready to work for his party and party only. As far as his honesty, I think that has been suspect to date also. How many times did he change his mind about his relationship with Wright?

[Alan®]

The main thing I liked about Obama's speech is that it wasnt over the top, and he kind of reminded folks that look.. I'm not the answer to ALL of your problems, and resolution wont come overnight but I am going to work with you to get things done. It was almost as if he wanted people to remain grounded instead of letting their imaginations run free.
COMPLETELY AGREEED

[Jimmy B]

I think I was the only one in my family not in tears.. the moment is bittersweet but theres a long road ahead to get all emotional.

The main thing I liked about Obama's speech is that it wasnt over the top, and he kind of reminded folks that look.. I'm not the answer to ALL of your problems, and resolution wont come overnight but I am going to work with you to get things done. It was almost as if he wanted people to remain grounded instead of letting their imaginations run free.

not trying to argue.. i agree.. but when before today, he WAS th eanswer to all of our problems.. he said he will "fix" everything.. I guess he will see how hard it will be now.. May God be with him and help him, for America!

[blurred visions]

which policies are those?

Did I say policies? No, I said decisions, such as the decisions made in this unneeded war that has pulled 10 billion a month.



Have you not paid any attention to this election? Every time Obama spoke without the teleprompter he stumbled around and/or said something wrong. Yes he is young, but is he ready to work for the country or for his party? His record to date says he is ready to work for his party and party only. As far as his honesty, I think that has been suspect to date also. How many times did he change his mind about his relationship with Wright?

I've seen him and followed him for over a year and I rarely see him fumble, besides, thats just public speaking, in which we all know Obama wins with. You republicans keep going on and on about looking at records, LOOK AT YOUR PARTIES RECORD, LOOK AT OUR PRESIDENTS RECORD, YOU FAIL. And, are you still talking about Wright? You fail.

[Ol' Gregg]

Not hating just pisses me off when you see people vote for historical purpose or racial purpose! Its stupid, and its not hating when it fact. He is going to drive this nation into the ground. Hell look at most of the jokes spreading around now about people trying to find out how to get on welfare and such now, becuase the goverment is going to pay every lazy asses way by taking money from the achievers!
hahaha
wow way to ruin a good molment. go fudge yourself HA!

[MachNU]

the point of this particular thread had little to do with politics...it was about the actual historic moment. you say "it's fact," but how can it be when the man has yet to do anything??? the jokes that these people are making only prove their ignorance. you want to a joke...i'll make one up for you. now black people have the opportunity to be a part of the "elite" and can qualify for corporate welfare in the future. hell, maybe there will be a 2020 wallstreet bailout, and i'll be able to take $700B of your kid's money to support my 500% salary bonus.

it's useless to explain any of this to you, because you've already made up your mind. i hope you continue your "concerns" for our country, and maybe you'll be a volunteer for the candidate that you support. take your speeches door to door, make buttons, do something...

WOW i hope you didnt vote for obama because if you did you just owned yourself. THe jokes are based off what he said he would do when he won. Guess what he won. So they have a bit of credit to them. ;)

[tony]

not trying to argue.. i agree.. but when before today, he WAS th eanswer to all of our problems.. he said he will "fix" everything.. I guess he will see how hard it will be now.. May God be with him and help him, for America!

I think he was just trying to get elected.. I knew a speech like this one was coming. Trust me on this, Obama is a LOT more conservative than people think.

[Jimmy B]

I think he was just trying to get elected.. I knew a speech like this one was coming. Trust me on this, Obama is a LOT more conservative than people think.

well, lets hope so! Politics suck anyway.. its a game of i got more dirt on you and can lie better, lol

[stephen]

WOW i hope you didnt vote for obama because if you did you just owned yourself. THe jokes are based off what he said he would do when he won. Guess what he won. So they have a bit of credit to them. ;)


i owned myself? yeah ok. so obama will be president in 2020??? obama created the $700B bailout??? yeah ok.

dude never said he'd increase welfare if he won. in point of actual fact, his tax policy (which i assume you and your fellow critical thinkers are referring to) actually reinforces capitalism. i'd break it all the way down for you, but once again...it'd prove useless.

like i said...if you're sooooo concerned about your country and its president, then put your feet on the ground and do some volunteer campaigning next time. complaining about something, when you did nothing to prevent it is pretty stupid. you've probably advertised more for a company you bought parts from than you did for a candidate who is running for the president of your country. hell, that chick who wrote the backwards B on her face, and tried to degrade obama supporters tried to do more for her candidate than you.

[Ol' Gregg]

yall talk bad as much as ya want! he won and i saw yet another peice of american history!

[Vteckidd]

I think he was just trying to get elected.. I knew a speech like this one was coming. Trust me on this, Obama is a LOT more conservative than people think.
well his record is FAR left, but, he has started leaning toward the middle on some things.

Time will tell

[MachNU]

i owned myself? yeah ok. so obama will be president in 2020??? obama created the $700B bailout??? yeah ok.

dude never said he'd increase welfare if he won. in point of actual fact, his tax policy (which i assume you and your fellow critical thinkers are referring to) actually reinforces capitalism. i'd break it all the way down for you, but once again...it'd prove useless.

LOLOLOL that bailout was shot down by the senate/house which is ran by the Dems. Then the 2nd one came about and Polosy(sp) pushed that bill. So obama had nothing to do with it, but his party dam sure did.

And again your a idiot..becuase reading owns you. I said nothing about him increasing welfare. I am talking about all the handouts hes promising. Increasing tax's on the rich is going to royal fuck the poor!

[AtLRSX-S]

Not hating just pisses me off when you see people vote for historical purpose or racial purpose! Its stupid, and its not hating when it fact. He is going to drive this nation into the ground. Hell look at most of the jokes spreading around now about people trying to find out how to get on welfare and such now, becuase the goverment is going to pay every lazy asses way by taking money from the achievers!

So you rather have a president that is old as shit, maybe wont last his first year, than have a stupid b itch from Alaska run the country?

[stephen]

LOLOLOL that bailout was shoot down by the senate/house which is ran by the Dems. Then the 2nd one came about and Polosy(sp) pushed that bill. So obama had nothing to do with it, but his party dam sure did.

And again your a idiot..becuase reading owns you. I said nothing about him increasing welfare. I am talking about all the handouts hes promising. Increasing tax's on the rich is going to royal fuck the poor!


umm...BUSH WROTE THE BAILOUT BILL....not pelosi...reid...obama...mccain...house dems...etc.

wow, i'm an idiot? ok. the jokes that people are saying has to do with quitting school, work, etc. and GETTING ON WELFARE. if you need me to point them out to you i will.


increasing taxes on the rich (by 3%), to support lowering taxes on everyone under $250k is a handout? lol, and i'm the idiot...riiiiight. i take it you've never read a book on capitalism...so your ignorance isn't totally your fault.

here's a small news flash for you...if you don't receive INCOME (i.e. work), you can't file INCOME TAXES. hey, i understand...we all learn something new everyday, and you just picked up your 3rd life lesson for the day.

p.s. it's "YOU'RE an idiot".....typos > insults

[Dracc]

this is the only thing I'm going to post in this thread.


its funny how not only transaxle but others have so many "choice" words for Obama and his camp and what he can't do.. who he is.. and what he wont do.. if you hate him so much.. leave and come bacc in 4 years... YOU DIDNT RUN for president. You probably can't handle the pressure... and let alone posses the intellect to do so.. The MAN.. notice i said MAN won.. not blacc man.. negro.. my ***** obama or nothing like that.. the MAN won... either way this economy is already ROYALLY FUCCED...its going to take more then Obama's term and the next presidents term to remotely fix this...we can just sit and wait and watch how the world unfolds in these last and evil days...

[MachNU]

umm...BUSH WROTE THE BAILOUT BILL....not pelosi...reid...obama...mccain...house dems...etc.

wow, i'm an idiot? ok. the jokes that people are saying has to do with quitting school, work, etc. and GETTING ON WELFARE. if you need me to point them out to you i will.

increasing taxes on the rich (by 3%), to support lowering taxes on everyone under $250k is a handout? lol, and i'm the idiot...riiiiight. i take it you've never read a book on capitalism...so your ignorance isn't totally your fault.

here's a small news flash for you...if you don't receive INCOME (i.e. work), you can't file INCOME TAXES. hey, i understand...we all learn something new everyday, and you just picked up your 3rd life lesson for the day.

BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOur a fucking idiot. When the bill was shot down that Bush wrote in the House, Pelosi came out, and Publicaly said that the Dem's did not get what they wanted from that bill, and the 2nd go around we will get ours! Here let me post this for you, should explain the full outcome of that "little" 3%!

Tax Lesson - Let's put TAX CUTS in terms everyone can understand.

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our TAXES, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers,' he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.'

Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?'

They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free.

But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

'I only got a dollar out of the $20,'declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,' but he got $10!'

'Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!'

'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'

'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all.. The system exploits the poor!'

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up!

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics
University of Georgia

[bigdare23]

Nobody can original now days...

[MachNU]

this is the only thing I'm going to post in this thread.


its funny how not only transaxle but others have so many "choice" words for Obama and his camp and what he can't do.. who he is.. and what he wont do.. if you hate him so much.. leave and come bacc in 4 years... YOU DIDNT RUN for president. You probably can't handle the pressure... and let alone posses the intellect to do so.. The MAN.. notice i said MAN won.. not blacc man.. negro.. my ***** obama or nothing like that.. the MAN won... either way this economy is already ROYALLY FUCCED...its going to take more then Obama's term and the next presidents term to remotely fix this...we can just sit and wait and watch how the world unfolds in these last and evil days...

I will agree to this. I started this arguement for the people who preached, the Historical day of a Black man winning! I would be all for it, if a good choice of a black man won! I am not hating on the race, hating on the "man"! Also yeah i know i could not run for president, theres probably not a soul on here that could. Also i agree its going to take many many years to fix the economy. Thats why it pisses me off when you see/hear people say Obama is the solution. ANything bush did to help wont be seen for a few years, then most will credit it for Obama. Then anything he does again wont be seen for a few years, and either get credit or scrutinized for the next man!

[JITB]

give up Transaxle.....its over you wasted a vote....accept it... :lmfao:

[MachNU]

give up Transaxle.....its over you wasted a vote....accept it... :lmfao:

lol i was just thinking the same thing! i go agree with stehpen on one thing, its hard arguing with people whos minds are made up! :D

[Dracc]

I will agree to this. I started this arguement for the people who preached, the Historical day of a Black man winning! I would be all for it, if a good choice of a black man won! I am not hating on the race, hating on the "man"! Also yeah i know i could not run for president, theres probably not a soul on here that could. Also i agree its going to take many many years to fix the economy. Thats why it pisses me off when you see/hear people say Obama is the solution. ANything bush did to help wont be seen for a few years, then most will credit it for Obama. Then anything he does again wont be seen for a few years, and either get credit or scrutinized for the next man!


point taken... Bush will remain hated by people because of a senseless war as they say but in the same token.. if we didnt invade Iraq.. dont you think they would have attacced us? or something worst the semptember 11th happen? Baracc can not remove all military influence from the "sandbox" because they are now our property.. we have destroyed everything there just to build it up with our name money

[MachNU]

point taken... Bush will remain hated by people because of a senseless war as they say but in the same token.. if we didnt invade Iraq.. dont you think they would have attacced us? or something worst the semptember 11th happen? Baracc can not remove all military influence from the "sandbox" because they are now our property.. we have destroyed everything there just to build it up with our name money

AGREE 100%! I have been saying the same thing, if you take us out, another Sadam will step up, and the world will step back 10 years! And all those people who have died for this senseless war, will have died for nothing. I think Bush should be held as one of the greatest presidents ever for having the courage to go after a a nation/terrorist after they killed almost 1000 of our people on our soil. Not doing what clinton did in 92 and just going to the table to "talk it over!"

[stephen]

BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOur a fucking idiot. When the bill was shot down that Bush wrote in the House, Pelosi came out, and Publicaly said that the Dem's did not get what they wanted from that bill, and the 2nd go around we will get ours! Here let me post this for you, should explain the full outcome of that "little" 3%!

Tax Lesson - Let's put TAX CUTS in terms everyone can understand.

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our TAXES, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers,' he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.'

Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?'

They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free.

But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

'I only got a dollar out of the $20,'declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,' but he got $10!'

'Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!'

'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'

'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all.. The system exploits the poor!'

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up!

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics
University of Georgia


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wow....that has to be the worst explanation/response i've ever heard. i'm at a total loss for words....

yeah....ok...

tell you what, come on out saturday, and i'll buy you milk and soda....might even sneak you a beer. someone has to do something to help you...you probably stood in a long voting line...touched the screen delicately...reviewed your choices carefully...put your "georgia voter" sticker on your bookbag...watched fox news all night...saw your man lose...and now you regret even doing any of that. if you don't bring your georgia voter sticker, then i'm going to have to limit you to ONE drink...ok? all...right...everything is gonna be o....k. we'll get you through this...

[MachNU]

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wow....that has to be the worst explanation/response i've ever heard. i'm at a total loss for words....

yeah....ok...

tell you what, come on out saturday, and i'll buy you milk and soda....might even sneak you a beer. someone has to do something to help you...you probably stood in a long voting line...touched the screen delicately...reviewed your choices carefully...put your "georgia voter" sticker on your bookbag...watched fox news all night...saw your man lose...and now you regret even doing any of that. if you don't bring your georgia voter sticker, then i'm going to have to limit you to ONE drink...ok? all...right...everything is gonna be o....k. we'll get you through this...

True Democrate at heart here. I give you good facts and examples and ask you to rebutle and you starting attacking someones character. Let me tell you something jackass. I got off work at 7am that morning after working 11 hours, went down to gainesville to register for my classes next semester, then went and stood in line for almost almost 3 hours to vote! Also McCain wasnt my choice. It was my partys choice. I said it awhile back, McCain is nothing more than the lesser of two evils! This nation was screwed either way, he would just be less screwed one way!

ALso you must be a Rocket Scientest with a Dr's in everything to say that you can explain the tax increase better than a Professor of Economics at a major University!

I am done with this arguement with you. I even repped you thinking you where making good arguements till your last responce. To bad i cant take those reps away! :goodjob:

[Dracc]

AGREE 100%! I have been saying the same thing, if you take us out, another Sadam will step up, and the world will step back 10 years! And all those people who have died for this senseless war, will have died for nothing. I think Bush should be held as one of the greatest presidents ever for having the courage to go after a a nation/terrorist after they killed almost 1000 of our people on our soil. Not doing what clinton did in 92 and just going to the table to "talk it over!"


I can't agree with you completelly but I can say this.. bush will go down in history... as the worst president not because of the war.. but because he's an idiot plane and simple. You can't get better quotes from joe dirt himself.. but he's a dumb texas rednecc.. they dont bacc down from anyway.. now with that said I commend him for standing for what he believes in.. JUST LIKE BARACC... and as far as clinton.. he did what was good for the country at that time... think about it.. the economy was booming.. no war... hell.. I remember just driving on Fort Jaccson.. ( the army's largers training facility) with no checc points no MP's on gaurd.. just driving through.. so he did his JOB protecting the country at his best intrest.. and now because its not as safe to go outside like you used to you cant blame a man for time changing... people change.. time changes..

[MachNU]

I can't agree with you completelly but I can say this.. bush will go down in history... as the worst president not because of the war.. but because he's an idiot plane and simple. You can't get better quotes from joe dirt himself.. but he's a dumb texas rednecc.. they dont bacc down from anyway.. now with that said I commend him for standing for what he believes in.. JUST LIKE BARACC... and as far as clinton.. he did what was good for the country at that time... think about it.. the economy was booming.. no war... hell.. I remember just driving on Fort Jaccson.. ( the army's largers training facility) with no checc points no MP's on gaurd.. just driving through.. so he did his JOB protecting the country at his best intrest.. and now because its not as safe to go outside like you used to you cant blame a man for time changing... people change.. time changes..

Yeah true but alot of that was due to him cutting alot of military spending. Did you by chance check the video either Fox,CNN...cant remember which did it, about explaining major events that happened with Presidents in office who where older/wiser with military background vs. Presidents who came in with no military background and young?

[Dracc]

Yeah true but alot of that was due to him cutting alot of military spending. Did you by chance check the video either Fox,CNN...cant remember which did it, about explaining major events that happened with Presidents in office who where older/wiser with military background vs. Presidents who came in with no military background and young?


Yeah I saw that.. they had another one prior to that one when I was in high school we had a debate on and I won lol... basically.. Military back ground just says you served your country. Most presidents prior to clinton and bush had no choice.. IE draft. true age brings wisdom but age brings weakness in heart and mind.. McCain may be a was vet and all But.. time has taken its tole on his judgement. Baracc may be young with no experience in being in the military but that does not mean his judgement is not the same or above par to one that has served 25 years in the military like my father. You learn everyday wheather you know it or not so he will have mistakes just like every president. Just move on and dont make them twice. the difference about a presidents mistakes and yours and mine... we are not watched 24/7 and have a country watching waiting on us to move

[stephen]

True Democrate at heart here. I give you good facts and examples and ask you to rebutle and you starting attacking someones character. Let me tell you something jackass. I got off work at 7am that morning after working 11 hours, went down to gainesville to register for my classes next semester, then went and stood in line for almost almost 3 hours to vote! Also McCain wasnt my choice. It was my partys choice. I said it awhile back, McCain is nothing more than the lesser of two evils! This nation was screwed either way, he would just be less screwed one way!

ALso you must be a Rocket Scientest with a Dr's in everything to say that you can explain the tax increase better than a Professor of Economics at a major University!

I am done with this arguement with you. I even repped you thinking you where making good arguements till your last responce. To bad i cant take those reps away! :goodjob:

lol, ok man. you've been the only one attacking anyones character...but it's all good...it is what it is man. the point of my last post was to dead the argument...but i guess you didn't take it that way. how you took it personal...i don't know, lol. i actually could give you a better response to the tax situation, but i didn't want to continue jacking the thread. it really was the worst explanation, because it lacked a lot of important facts...like who pays the tip! LOL, like i said man...come out saturday, i'm offering to buy you drinks and i can even explain the tax deal to you (from my point). take it or leave it...

[MachNU]

Yeah I saw that.. they had another one prior to that one when I was in high school we had a debate on and I won lol... basically.. Military back ground just says you served your country. Most presidents prior to clinton and bush had no choice.. IE draft. true age brings wisdom but age brings weakness in heart and mind.. McCain may be a was vet and all But.. time has taken its tole on his judgement. Baracc may be young with no experience in being in the military but that does not mean his judgement is not the same or above par to one that has served 25 years in the military like my father. You learn everyday wheather you know it or not so he will have mistakes just like every president. Just move on and dont make them twice. the difference about a presidents mistakes and yours and mine... we are not watched 24/7 and have a country watching waiting on us to move

Very Very Very True! But i meant it more in the light of what to do when the time came for them to make a decision. When Roosevelt - WWII, Kennedy - Berlin Wall, Johnson/Kennedy - Vietnam, Nixon - Water gate(none military), Bush Sr- Gulf War, Clinton - 92 WTC Bombing, Bush Jr - 01 WTC Bombing. I mean in the ways they reacted to this. Granted Obama might turn out to be a great president, but you cant deny his lack of exp in areas CRUIAL to running a nation. Plus it has to be a major strain on someone who can fart without someone being there to film it or question it!

[MachNU]

lol, ok man. you've been the only one attacking anyones character...but it's all good...it is what it is man. the point of my last post was to dead the argument...but i guess you didn't take it that way. how you took it personal...i don't know, lol. i actually could give you a better response to the tax situation, but i didn't want to continue jacking the thread. it really was the worst explanation, because it lacked a lot of important facts...like who pays the tip! LOL, like i said man...come out saturday, i'm offering to buy you drinks and i can even explain the tax deal to you (from my point). take it or leave it...

I didnt take it as a personal attack, I took it as you trying to make it personal the way you killed it. The tip isnt required. Plus the tip has nothing to do with it. Tip is nothing more than a gesture of good faith! Hell some people dont even tip the normal 10-15%!

[Dracc]

Very Very Very True! But i meant it more in the light of what to do when the time came for them to make a decision. When Roosevelt - WWII, Kennedy - Berlin Wall, Johnson/Kennedy - Vietnam, Nixon - Water gate(none military), Bush Sr- Gulf War, Clinton - 92 WTC Bombing, Bush Jr - 01 WTC Bombing. I mean in the ways they reacted to this. Granted Obama might turn out to be a great president, but you cant deny his lack of exp in areas CRUIAL to running a nation. Plus it has to be a major strain on someone who can fart without someone being there to film it or question it!


IN ALL FAIRNESS... Obama does not run the country.. Congress does.. He's what we called in my debates.. a pretty face.. All he is.. to be honest.. is a dictator.. just like bush.. he tells us what ALL of congress can't at once.. he's just a yes man.. granted he will have some decision making but thats about it... whats the difference from him running a county to running a country you say... nothing but numbers.. all the same rules apply just that he answers directly to congress now

[MachNU]

IN ALL FAIRNESS... Obama does not run the country.. Congress does.. He's what we called in my debates.. a pretty face.. All he is.. to be honest.. is a dictator.. just like bush.. he tells us what ALL of congress can't at once.. he's just a yes man.. granted he will have some decision making but thats about it... whats the difference from him running a county to running a country you say... nothing but numbers.. all the same rules apply just that he answers directly to congress now

Very true, but also in fairness, a Democrate as president, working for his party, which holds control of the house and senate. THEN you have a few supreme court justices who are fucking 90+ about to drop in the next few years, with someone to put dem. party members in there place, gives you control of the whole thing. Checks and Balances are only useful to a point. If 1 party controls the whole system, then the head man in charge runs the show!

[Dracc]

Very true, but also in fairness, a Democrate as president, working for his party, which holds control of the house and senate. THEN you have a few supreme court justices who are fucking 90+ about to drop in the next few years, with someone to put dem. party members in there place, gives you control of the whole thing. Checks and Balances are only useful to a point. If 1 party controls the whole system, then the head man in charge runs the show!


even so.. if someone is money hungry which most are.. then he's gonna do what he's told..

[§treet_§peed]

The President is just a face for us to look at...

[Dracc]

The President is just a face for us to look at...


stop trying to sound smart... rewording what i wrote lol hahaha:2up:

[§treet_§peed]

hey hey easy now. lol im about to go to sleep. i gotta get up and get ready to go get my share of the money since i got laid off yeasterday

[MachNU]

hey hey easy now. lol im about to go to sleep. i gotta get up and get ready to go get my share of the money since i got laid off yeasterday

lol i have been doing the same this week. Its fucking hard to find a job. Didnt get laid off, but its getting dam close!

[Nomad!]

and they said the same for bush and gave that fool two terms
NUFF SAID!!!

[§treet_§peed]

yeah shit sucks.. just bought a new house. just finished moving in sunday. o well my boss hated to do it but the word came form over his head. ah hell i new it was coming. time to go be a manager at taco hell i guess. starts off at like 20-24k a year is what they told me. im a shoe in. I'm legal and i have a HSD :D

[VooDooXII]

In other news, I saw tits on Peachtree Street tonight...some girl was flashing out of the sunroof of some car...celebrating you know?

[§treet_§peed]

O rly? no pics? then GTFO!!!!:D

[Humphrizzle]

some thing i read on a comment on utube witch pretty much sums up my thought to.

All you people already trashing Obama's presidency, FUCK YOU, if you don't support your president, YOU DON'T SUPPORT YOUR COUNTRY, WHERE'S YOUR 'PATRIOTISM NOW' FUCKERS? How do you expect anyone to do a good job if you will keep opposing them even after they have won? If anyone ruins the country, it is YOU PEOPLE.
freedom of speech. tard... dont get bitchy because someone has a difference in opinion..

learn what barack obama plans for the military, taxes, abortions, and then understand why people are upset..


I do not mind obama being president. He's not my choice for president but it seems like i'll just have to deal with it.

[BanginJimmy]

IN ALL FAIRNESS... Obama does not run the country.. Congress does.. He's what we called in my debates.. a pretty face.. All he is.. to be honest.. is a dictator.. just like bush.. he tells us what ALL of congress can't at once.. he's just a yes man.. granted he will have some decision making but thats about it... whats the difference from him running a county to running a country you say... nothing but numbers.. all the same rules apply just that he answers directly to congress now


Well Obama has a VERY sympathetic Congress for at least the next 2 years.

[MachNU]

yeah shit sucks.. just bought a new house. just finished moving in sunday. o well my boss hated to do it but the word came form over his head. ah hell i new it was coming. time to go be a manager at taco hell i guess. starts off at like 20-24k a year is what they told me. im a shoe in. I'm legal and i have a HSD :D

lol hell, i have tried all electronic places, and am going tomorrow to start applying at resturants!

[BanginJimmy]

NUFF SAID!!!


In all fairness, look at the 2 stuffed suits he was running against. Al Goe and John Kerry were about the worst excuses for a Presidential Canidate since Walter Mondale.

[§treet_§peed]

lol hell, i have tried all electronic places, and am going tomorrow to start applying at resturants!its really not that hard i took on the responsibilities of being a supervisor for about 4 months at a previous job. all you have to do at taco hell is yell at beaners all day

[§treet_§peed]

we need Bill Clinton back in office. honestly he was the true first black president... i mean think about it.... Played the saxaphone, smoked pot in the oval office, got head from ho's....

[Frög]

mccain delivered an amazing speech also. he gained a lot of respect from me.

Same here! It was probably one of his best speech yet!

But yeah, this is history!

All said an done, both candidates sucked! And NEITHER could of/can fix what we are going through! And NEITHER could of/can follow their tax plan! But on the other fronts, lets hope he sticks to his promises.. Now lets see if he can keep this country in one piece.. Hopefully we picked the better of the two..

[§treet_§peed]

hopefully the right one was chosen... dear God i hope so...

[Dracc]

we need Bill Clinton back in office. honestly he was the true first black president... i mean think about it.... Played the saxaphone, smoked pot in the oval office, got head from ho's....



go to hell sir

[§treet_§peed]

go to hell sir aww come on now... don't be like that you know you were like damn, Clinton is the man:idb:

[§treet_§peed]

besides i don't considering getting head having sexual relations with the dumb whore

[Frög]

besides i don't considering getting head having sexual relations with the dumb whore

im not the one to come in and correct other peoples spelling/grammar/conjugation/sentence structure but GOD DAMN..

[Nomad!]

In all fairness, look at the 2 stuffed suits he was running against. Al Goe and John Kerry were about the worst excuses for a Presidential Canidate since Walter Mondale.
Gore was pretty dead pan but, he wasn't as bad as Kerry. Hell, Kermit the frog would have mad a better candidate than Kerry.

[BanginJimmy]

Clinton was great on the budget if you only look at the final figures, but an utter failure everywhere else.

[Dracc]

im not the one to come in and correct other peoples spelling/grammar/conjugation/sentence structure but GOD DAMN..


this is true you are not the one because I've never seen you do it but Matt is making my head hurt.

[Total_Blender]

We will see how things are going to work out.

I wonder who Bush is going to pardon in his final days. I hope the list isnt nearly as distinguished as Clinton's.

I heard this guy put in an application. When you're denied parole 11 times you gotta go over their heads. :lmfao:

http://z.about.com/d/crime/1/0/h/D/manson1a.jpg