Status of the Election

[tony]

Georgia is literally a tossup.. hard to tell how its going to go.

Virginia looks MUCH better for Obama, if Georgia is a tossup Virginia will likely go Obama.

Indiana.. not as clear as Virginia, but leans Obama. I'd wait till the end for those results.

McCain won Kentucky, Obama got Vermont. I'll update this as the night goes on.

[tony]

South Carolina looks strong for McCain.

[bigdare23]

Man I need to get some studying done, but its hard.

[tony]

I didnt even attempt to focus on school tonight, this is history on either side.

[Crazy Asian]

yeah most of the big states that are needed to win; Im at the edge of my sofa wondering what's the outcome.

[tony]

Ohio looks pretty good for Obama.. only age group that he lost there (exit polls.. remember) was 65 and older.

NC looks good for McCain.

I'll preface this by stating.. in all the primaries these exit polls were pretty accurate if they were clear.

[Ran]

McCain just took West Virginia.

[Ran]

Obama takes Maryland, Massachusetts, Illinois, New Jersey, and Delaware.

McCain takes Oklahoma.

Florida leaning Obama.

[tony]

Mass., Connecticut, Deleware, Illinois, New Jersey, Maine, D.C and Maryland went Obama.

Oklahoma and Tennessee for McCain.

[BobbyFresco]

Pennsylvania goes to BO

[Ran]

*Status Update*Hope you don't mind me keeping track of some of this as well. ;)

[tony]

I don't know why they didnt project Pennsylvania for Obama.. the exit polls are heavily in his favor. Same with New Hampshire

[BobbyFresco]

Obama takes Maine and DC

[tony]

Hope you don't mind me keeping track of some of this as well. ;)


Not at all.. the more the better. Pennsylvania is a bad sign for McCain, if he did not win there his strategy is pretty much gone for the race to go in his favor.

[Ran]

What are you guys watching to keep track? I'm following FOX at the moment.

[BobbyFresco]

I'm sorry Tony if you meant this thread for you to report results only. Lmk if you want me to stop posting.

[BobbyFresco]

Edit: Penn is projected to go Obama..Not his quite yet.

[Vteckidd]

bobyfresh you are way off LOL less than 1% reporting you can't call it LOL

[Ran]

Penn and Georgia are both a toss-up right now from what it seems.

[Vteckidd]

mccain has to win fl, nc, ohio. If he loses any of those its over

[BobbyFresco]

Calling it per MSNBC scoring.

[Ran]

New Hampshire goes Obama.

Current Votes
Obama: 81
McCain: 39

Florida does not look good for McCain.

[Vteckidd]

LOL at msnbc. Watch fox or CNN at least

[BobbyFresco]

LOL...I refuse to watch Fox, bro. May take you up on the CNN advise though.

[Ran]

LOL...I refuse to watch Fox, bro. May take you up on the CNN advise though.I don't think either one is really better than the other at this point. They're both going to have to report the same results. :)

[BobbyFresco]

Offtopic but Joe Biden won his seat, so he has a job in the event that he and Obama do not win.

[tony]

Fox is still showing McCain with 8 Electoral votes and Obama with 3.. the last lead McCain had.

[Vteckidd]

Florida is reporting all the strong dem counties right now so its not over yet. But that's the state to war h IMO. Obama will win if mccain can't keep it

[Vteckidd]

Fox is still showing McCain with 8 Electoral votes and Obama with 3.. the last lead McCain had.
nope its been 81 -39 for awhile

[BobbyFresco]

Ha. It's super peaceful in this thread. Hopefully, we can keep it this way.

[BobbyFresco]

msnbc is reporting 103 to 34...what's with the discrepancies from source to source?

[Ran]

Ha. It's super peaceful in this thread. Hopefully, we can keep it this way.I don't see why not. At this point it's a waiting game for everyone. :cheers:

Sounds like most sources are showing Penn for Obama.

[tony]

http://elections.foxnews.com/states_map/index.html

WTF is Fox doing? They're showing McCain ahead when he's clearly behind in Electoral votes.

[BobbyFresco]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27531033/

[Ran]

http://elections.foxnews.com/states_map/index.html

WTF is Fox doing? They're showing McCain ahead when he's clearly behind in Electoral votes.I think their website is having trouble keeping up. That was the status about half an hour ago. It's shifted since then.

[Vteckidd]

live tv its not that behind.

Pa will prob go to obama

[tony]

Nah they're going by popular vote, not electoral votes.

[Vteckidd]

looks like I owe dems beer LOL fuck

[Vteckidd]

msnbc is reporting 103 to 34...what's with the discrepancies from source to source?
some are willing to call a state sooner than others. Fox is god on this because they usually wait so we don't end up like 2000 with wrong reporting

[BobbyFresco]

looks like I owe dems beer LOL fuck


Rofl...

From what I've seen, looks like Obama has a chance in NC.
What's the deal w/Florida. Stillt too close to call, huh?

[bigdare23]

looks like I owe dems beer LOL fuck



:cheers: :lmfao:

[Vteckidd]

btw I'm on my iPhone so pardon the spelling I have fat fingers

[Ran]

Obama takes Pennsylvania.

McCain takes Arkansas.

[Vteckidd]

pa for obama big blow to mccain

[tony]

hmm, CNN still mum on PA.

[BobbyFresco]

Mac takes Alabama.

[BobbyFresco]

Ga is projected for Mac

[Nittanys1]

thanks for all the updates...however your a little slower then what I am watching to tv...live...

[Ran]

Georgia confirmed for McCain.

[Ran]

Chambliss takes Georgia.

[BanginJimmy]

as of right now things are going pretty much as I thought. The only suprise is that Penn was called so early. I did expect Obama to win it though.

[BobbyFresco]

Florida is looking ok for Obama

[BanginJimmy]

Florida is looking ok for Obama

way too early to call Florida. Remember the panhandle is an hour behind the rest of the state and it is very heavily republican.

[Deke]

According to CNN McCain's actually up in the overall popular vote right now. Not that it matters (and it's still early), just saying.

[tony]

CNN must be the only station not projecting these states

[bigdare23]

way too early to call Florida. Remember the panhandle is an hour behind the rest of the state and it is very heavily republican.


According to CNN.com the panhandle is already red except 4 districts

[Ran]

North Dakota for McCain.

New Mexico for Obama.

[BobbyFresco]

Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minn go to Obama

[tony]

Obama is less than 100 electoral votes away from 270

[Slow Motion]

Let the arguing begin...


seriously im nervous this seems like it could be close.

[Ran]

Current Electoral Votes

Obama: 163
McCain: 81

Looks like some of the results were release pre-maturely according to Fox.

[Slow Motion]

Yahoo is now reporting 165 for Barack...right now.

[x Resilience]

CNN reports that Obama leads 174- 49

[4dmin]

man I'm thirsty so who is coming out sat LOL

[Vteckidd]

With Cali and ny in the bag for obama its going to be almost impossible for mccain now

[Vteckidd]

man I'm thirsty so who is coming out sat LOL
I'll bring natty li :cheers: ght :idb:

[BobbyFresco]

Kidd, I may have to come down to Atl Sat to shake your hand and drink a beer, on you of course...LOLOLOL

[4dmin]

23 watching thread nice to see a small % care a out future

[Slow Motion]

72% percent of voters say that Bush has failed at his job since 2004
42% percent say they are worse off than they were in 2004

[JConner]

man I'm thirsty so who is coming out sat LOL

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: im ready for you to be buying me beers!

[x Resilience]

CNN reports Obama leads 174 to 64 now.

[x Resilience]

23 watching thread nice to see a small % care a out future

23 Members and 5 Guests :taun:

[Slow Motion]

23 watching thread nice to see a small % care a out future

Hell yeah I care...got too care, its our future.

[Vteckidd]

Kidd, I may have to come down to Atl Sat to shake your hand and drink a beer, on you of course...LOLOLOL
absolutely you should be nice to meet you I hope we have a big turnout

[4dmin]

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: im ready for you to be buying me beers!
youu can be ready all you but looks like you may have to wait till 2012

[Slow Motion]

Its a lot of old ppl in washington...

[BobbyFresco]

youu can be ready all you but looks like you may have to wait till 2012


I concur.


A historical night, either way.

[Vteckidd]

its over obama gets Ohio

[4dmin]

Looks like dens got senate majority 52 to 35

[Slow Motion]

its over obama gets Ohio

He did?

edit 1:Im watching on yahoo and its saying he has 57% but hasn't won it yet...

edit 2: now they are projecting he has won it...

[Echonova]

its over obama gets OhioX2

[Vteckidd]

Yes fox called it. Mccain would have to win a huge dem state an that's not gonna happen

[JConner]

Yes fox called it. Mccain would have to win a huge dem state an that's not gonna happen


yep, its not lookin good

[Jecht]

Obama got Ohio! :eek:

[BobbyFresco]

Yup. Ohio to Obama

[Slow Motion]

wow..

[Vteckidd]

well I'll offer congrats to obama and his supporters. I think its over. Hopefully we can now move forward as a more unified America even though "my guy" didn't win.

[Vteckidd]

and yes beer on me on sat. Don't bankrupt me :)

[Slow Motion]

195 now for barack...

[Slow Motion]

well I'll offer congrats to obama and his supporters. I think its over. Hopefully we can now move forward as a more unified America even though "my guy" didn't win.

America for the win...United we stand divided we fall.

[BanginJimmy]

looks like I should need to my health insurance. I can save that ~200 a month so I can pay my increased taxes.



I only hope that Obama and his cronies in the house and senate cant do so much damage in the next 4 years that it wont be fixable. We will now definately head into a recession.

[BanginJimmy]

America for the win...United we stand divided we fall.


consider us fallen.

[Revmaynard]

I'm just ready for this to be over with. I can't wait until the Election 2008 section is taken down. Woot!

[Jecht]

looks like I should need to my health insurance. I can save that ~200 a month so I can pay my increased taxes.



I only hope that Obama and his cronies in the house and senate cant do so much damage in the next 4 years that it wont be fixable. We will now definately head into a recession.

Now head into a recession? Where have you been - we are already in a recession.

[Vteckidd]

I'm not gonna be a sore loser. Congrats to obama, even though he's not what I want, its great to know that our election system is still the best in the world.

[Dr. K8]

cnn now projected OHIO goes obama

(paul)

[Elbow]

consider us fallen.

:no:

[BanginJimmy]

Now head into a recession? Where have you been - we are already in a recession.

you obviously dont know the defination of a recession if you believe that.

[Slow Motion]

i hope that whoever wins does a good job for the greater good of our country.

[tony]

consider us fallen.

With that mentality.. yes we will be divided. Give the man a chance, we'd do the same for McCain. I'm sorry to those who wanted to see McCain win, but I think we're all relieved to have closure on this election. I'm happy that my candidate won but I'm more concerned with those on the opposing side to just give Obama a chance to prove himself before passing judgement.

[BobbyFresco]

I'm not gonna be a sore loser. Congrats to obama, even though he's not what I want, its great to know that our election system is still the best in the world.



Now this is admirable....:cheers:

[Dr. K8]

I'm not gonna be a sore loser. Congrats to obama, even though he's not what I want, its great to know that our election system is still the best in the world.

i don't know about best in the world someone emailed into CNN earlier saying that "i can pay my bills, my taxes, etc online securely; why are we having to stand in long lines to vote"... it is better then afganistan they use camels to transport ballots :lmfao:

[Slow Motion]

consider us fallen.

if we have already falling where are the warlords of the world.

[Elbow]

With that mentality.. yes we will be divided. Give the man a chance, we'd do the same for McCain. I'm sorry to those who wanted to see McCain win, but I think we're all relieved to have closure on this election. I'm happy that my candidate won but I'm more concerned with those on the opposing side to just give Obama a chance to prove himself before passing judgement.

Truth :goodjob:

[Vteckidd]

With that mentality.. yes we will be divided. Give the man a chance, we'd do the same for McCain. I'm sorry to those who wanted to see McCain win, but I think we're all relieved to have closure on this election. I'm happy that my candidate won but I'm more concerned with those on the opposing side to just give Obama a chance to prove himself before passing judgement.
+1
even though I disagree with him it seems he is the next president. I hope he does well. It would be foolish to root for him to fail

[JR VQ 30 de]

sorry yall get ready for a change 200 electoral votes for obama and mcain 85

[JDMJAYDC2]

With that mentality.. yes we will be divided. Give the man a chance, we'd do the same for McCain. I'm sorry to those who wanted to see McCain win, but I think we're all relieved to have closure on this election. I'm happy that my candidate won but I'm more concerned with those on the opposing side to just give Obama a chance to prove himself before passing judgement.

x2 very well said sir i tip my hat to you

[JR VQ 30 de]

obama got Ohio one of the states the mcain was highly relying on so .....

[Echonova]

Do you think Secret Service will let Obama ghost ride the whip?

[BanginJimmy]

With that mentality.. yes we will be divided. Give the man a chance, we'd do the same for McCain. I'm sorry to those who wanted to see McCain win, but I think we're all relieved to have closure on this election. I'm happy that my candidate won but I'm more concerned with those on the opposing side to just give Obama a chance to prove himself before passing judgement.


My mentality comes from seeing the man in action. I obviously will give him a chance, but I have seen what a democratic majority in the house and senate can do over the last 2 years. Now imagine what they will do when they have more help from the president. They have stonewalled everything a republican has tried to do simply because he was a republican. They have ground our govt to a stop, then blamed it on the republicans. What else do you need to see? Obama has never worked across party lines in the past, what makes you think he will now?

[Jecht]

you obviously dont know the defination of a recession if you believe that.

That word is spelled definition, and here is the definition of a recession:


Rather, a recession is a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months, normally visible in real GDP, real income, employment, industrial production, and wholesale-retail sales.


the official agency in charge of declaring that the economy is in a state of recession is the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER). NBER's definition of recession is a bit more vague than the standard one that was described above; they define recession as a "significant decline in economic activity lasting more than a few months".

[BobbyFresco]

Oh..and no riots yet! Oh noes....

[Revmaynard]

This election upsets me more than any other because so many more people are voting without knowing a damn thing. I know personally three people today who voted for a candidate because someone TOLD THEM TO. These are grown adults, me being 19 and them being close to 30. Not to mention other occasions this happened. I feel Obama's win is because of who he is, and not what he stands for. But either way, it was a 50/50 shot and I knew Obama would win. Now me, particularly, I'm not for either of these candidates. But in the end I just hopes what's best for us as a people will play out, regardless of what political party they're for. :cheers:

[BanginJimmy]

It would be foolish to root for him to fail

Both of them would have failed as neither has any honor or integrity. The only difference is that Obamas failings will will take longer to fix, if it can be fixed at all. McCain's would have been much more easily fixed.

[JConner]

I have a feeling that all the Obama supporters will see what a mistake they made by voting for him VERY SOON

[BanginJimmy]

the accepted definition is a decline in the GDP lasting at least 2 quarters.

[Echonova]

Oh..and no riots yet! Oh noes....Wait for it...

Wait for it...;)

[Vteckidd]

I want to stay positive because we are all Americans. I strongly disagree with obama and dems thts no secret. But I hope we can find some common ground and work to move this country forward. I hope we can be victorious in Iraq, fix the economoy, and restore prosperity. Obama has his work cut out for him and I hope he makes the right decisions

[Brut]

Brb, dropping out of college, and living off the welfare checks from rich people.

[Echonova]

Congrats to Obama and his supporters.

[Slow Motion]

Do you think Secret Service will let Obama ghost ride the whip?

http://www.therundown.tv/wp-content/photos/ebony-obama_070408.jpg

What do you think...?

[BobbyFresco]

Wow.

At least one person has been gracious in "defeat", so to speak, and it's the last person who I would have expected. Props to MrKidd.

The rest of you should learn from his example.

[tony]

I'm not even going to gloat on here.. no point in doing so. Just ready to move forward to try some new strategies to get us out of this hole.

Nonetheless.. tonight is historic.

[JConner]

Brb, dropping out of college, and living off the welfare checks from rich people.


yep! As of tomorrow, I will be withdrawing from my classes, deciding not to start that business i had in mind and applying for a 9-5 job where I can milk the clock all day and live off of government handouts.

[JDMJAYDC2]

how you guys feel about saxby and martin?

[Vteckidd]

Wow.

At least one person has been gracious in "defeat", so to speak, and it's the last person who I would have expected. Props to MrKidd.

The rest of you should learn from his example.
in for riots......















From white people






Just kidding

[BanginJimmy]

I'm not even going to gloat on here.. no point in doing so. Just ready to move forward to try some new strategies to get us out of this hole.

The problem is, we still dont know if Obama has a strategy to move us forward ir if he is going to continue to simply work along the party lines. That is what is so scary about him. He hates free enterprise. He thinks people that suceed in life and make alot of money are evil. He is against all of the things that caused America to go from a fledgling new country to the worlds premier superpower in less than 200 years.


Nonetheless.. tonight is historic.
I agree, we wont know for a few years if it is a historic disaster or not.

[Dr. K8]

I want to stay positive because we are all Americans. I strongly disagree with obama and dems thts no secret. But I hope we can find some common ground and work to move this country forward. I hope we can be victorious in Iraq, fix the economoy, and restore prosperity. Obama has his work cut out for him and I hope he makes the right decisions


good post.

many things to think about. we gave reps a run at fixing our woes and running our country. unfortunately bush did get a raw deal w/ 911 if it wasn't for that economy and faith in gov would be very much different today. but w/ that said. reps failed the american public. dems then when majority but still have to fight w/ rep white house and opposition. america looks like it is going dems sweep b/c CHANGE is key word.

last election christian vote won bush another 4 years. vote is still out but as someone stated 2:1 new voters were dems. they did something right w/ this. some may say well its only b/c he is black. well again no different then last election w/ bush envoking jesus any chance he can.

but if obama wins he has a HUGE uphill battle. it won't be easy economy is worst its been in a long time; we still have some years of bush/rep policys. if he doesn't try to bring nation together and do MOST of what he ran on you can hand reps 2012 ;)

my biggest hope is it will possibly fix some race issues in this country.

[BobbyFresco]

Iowa to Obama.

[Alan®]

Hi guys. Just got back. Not really surprised by the results thus far.

[bigdare23]

BanginJimmy, you are the definition of a hater.

Props to all the other anti-Obama people who aren't bitching :goodjob:

[Dr. K8]

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[x Resilience]

Wow.

At least one person has been gracious in "defeat", so to speak, and it's the last person who I would have expected. Props to MrKidd.

The rest of you should learn from his example.

x22165412346541

I was going to say the same thing. Props

[Jecht]

This election upsets me more than any other because so many more people are voting without knowing a damn thing. I know personally three people today who voted for a candidate because someone TOLD THEM TO. These are grown adults, me being 19 and them being close to 30. Not to mention other occasions this happened. I feel Obama's win is because of who he is, and not what he stands for. But either way, it was a 50/50 shot and I knew Obama would win. Now me, particularly, I'm not for either of these candidates. But in the end I just hopes what's best for us as a people will play out, regardless of what political party they're for. :cheers:

Same here. Its really disappointing to see people vote without any knowledge of who they are voting for.

[BanginJimmy]

dems then when majority but still have to fight w/ rep white house and opposition. america looks like it is going dems sweep b/c CHANGE is key word.

dems have had 2 years and have only driven us further down than we were when they took office. They ahve broken every proimse they made in 06 and ahve half the approval rating of Bush. What makes you think that will change when they have an anti capitalism president.


some may say well its only b/c he is black.
not necessarilly because he is black, even though there is a % that did, but because he is the in thing right now. You just have to listen to your local media outlet to know that. The problem is, alot of these new voters have no clue who they are voting for, just that he isnt a republican and that is good enough.




but if obama wins he has a HUGE uphill battle. it won't be easy economy is worst its been in a long time; we still have some years of bush/rep policys. if he doesn't try to bring nation together and do MOST of what he ran on you can hand reps 2012 ;)

The fact that Obama has never worked across the aisle says that he will only drive a larger stake between is opponents and supporters.


my biggest hope is it will possibly fix some race issues in this country.

what race issues are those? The ones that Jackson and Sharpton say we have?

[BanginJimmy]

BanginJimmy, you are the definition of a hater.

Props to all the other anti-Obama people who aren't bitching :goodjob:

Is that really the best you have?

[bigdare23]

Is that really the best you have?


Nope


But arguing with you is a waste of my time :D

[tony]

Is that really the best you have?

Seriously it doesnt even have to be that way. At the least consider this an opportunity for the Republicans to wake up and evolve but maintain the structure of the party that they once were.

[4dmin]

what race issues are those? The ones that Jackson and Sharpton say we have?

whether you like to believe it or not there are lots of race issues in this country still today. this has nothing to do w/ media but fact. we live in the south KKK was born and still lives here. i know this and i'm very very WHITE

back to the rest... saying people who vote for him don't know what they are voting for is about as lame as me saying anyone who votes mccain doesn't know who they are voting for - just as i said about bush; but i guess w/ bush i was right b/c america is swinging very very dem right now due to bush + followers.

like it or not its the truth numbers dont lie.

[BanginJimmy]

Seriously it doesnt even have to be that way. At the least consider this an opportunity for the Republicans to wake up and evolve but maintain the structure of the party that they once were.


Republican party might as well not even goto work for the next 2 years as they wont have a voice.

[4dmin]

Republican party might as well not even goto work for the next 2 years as they wont have a voice.

but whose fault is this? you have to point the finger inward.

obama is set to win both popular vote and electorial votes by landslide that says a whole lot about reps trending right now.

lets also look at who GOP put up against obama... how many times has mccain lost? and look at his VP pick - com'on

[BobbyFresco]

Someone is being a sore loser. Like a mf'er. Chalk it up to what is, a loss.

Race issues extend beyond what your perception of it being only about Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.


Guess you don't claim David Duke, huh?

[bigdare23]

Republican party might as well not even goto work for the next 2 years as they wont have a voice.


They have no one to blame but themselves.

[Slow Motion]

whether you like to believe it or not there are lots of race issues in this country still today. this has nothing to do w/ media but fact. we live in the south KKK was born and still lives here. i know this and i'm very very WHITE

back to the rest... saying people who vote for him don't know what they are voting for is about as lame as me saying anyone who votes mccain doesn't know who they are voting for - just as i said about bush; but i guess w/ bush i was right b/c america is swinging very very dem right now due to bush + followers.

like it or not its the truth numbers dont lie.

WTF Paul your white????

[x Resilience]

WTF Paul your white????

Bwhahaha, just figured it out now?

But on the topic, reps won't have a voice for the next two years? You guys had the last 8 years, haven't done one bit.

Blame yourselves for that.

[4dmin]

WTF Paul your white????

lol ya for some reason i get mistaken for hispanic and i was thinking possibly voting obama would strengthen that :lmfao:

[BobbyFresco]

The Sore Loser of the night award goes to... drum roll ladies and gentlemen.............Bangin Jimmy....

[Jecht]

back to the rest... saying people who vote for him don't know what they are voting for is about as lame as me saying anyone who votes mccain doesn't know who they are voting for - just as i said about bush; but i guess w/ bush i was right b/c america is swinging very very dem right now due to bush + followers.

like it or not its the truth numbers dont lie.

I don't care about what party it is... voting without at least a general understanding of what each candidate supports is a bad idea.

[Slow Motion]

lol ya for some reason i get mistaken for hispanic and i was thinking possibly voting obama would strengthen that :lmfao:

lol...

[Alan®]

Seriously it doesnt even have to be that way.
I missed the first 7 pages of the thread but just reading this page gives me an idea as to what has been going on.

At this point our opinions really don't matter. The election is over. The McCain campaign ran a terrible campaign. We as a country no matter whether we voted for him or not need to rally behind him and hope for the best.

Like I said in another thread as much as I disagree with the guy the guy is going to be our president and he has my full support until. OF course I will criticize him when he does things I don't agree with but that is our jobs of citizen of this country. Mass criticisim echoes through this country louder than anything. If you don't believe it than look at this election. People are not happy with Bush and that is why Obama is going to win.

Obama is a smart guy. That being said we should all take comfort that he will pick advisors that will help his Presidency.

As much as some people may dislike Obama(myself included) NONE OF US SHOULD WISH UPON HIM A FAILED PRESIDENCY. Because when he screws up WE ARE ALL SCREWED.

Obama ran a hell of a campaign. I take my hat off to him and he has my congratulations and well wishes.

[BanginJimmy]

whether you like to believe it or not there are lots of race issues in this country still today. this has nothing to do w/ media but fact. we live in the south KKK was born and still lives here. i know this and i'm very very WHITE

I know there are still racists but that is by no means race issues. When was the last time a black was denied a job due to his race? When was the last time a white was denied a job due to his race? I'll be more whies are denied jobs due to race than black because of Affirmative Action. If anything, there are more race issues with blacks blaming/hating whites for all of their woes than there are whites blaming/hating black.


back to the rest... saying people who vote for him don't know what they are voting for is about as lame as me saying anyone who votes mccain doesn't know who they are voting for - just as i said about bush; but i guess w/ bush i was right b/c america is swinging very very dem right now due to bush + followers.

like it or not its the truth numbers dont lie.

People are blaming repubs for many things that are at the very least rooted in dem legislation, if not actually put into practice by dems. The last 2 years have been a perfect example of what the dems can do when they get a majority, absolutely nothing unless it follows party lines. Part of that is the absolutely aimless campaign by McCain, part of that is the uneducated voters.

[Vteckidd]

republicans will still be here. The country is still center IMO. Washington will be center left but I don't see it going hardcore in a different direction. This isnt the fisrt time a party hasnt had a majority so this notion the country will fail is false. I am scared of pelosi Reid and obama in power but time will tell

[4dmin]

I don't care about what party it is... voting without at least a general understanding of what each candidate supports is a bad idea.

i understand... but lets hypothetically say only educated get to vote... um that vote normally swings dems as well. the problem w/ this country is we run a 2 party system. if we allowed lib, grn, dems, reps, etc to all campaign + debate on the same scale things would be very very different.

[uproot]

I missed the first 7 pages of the thread but just reading this page gives me an idea as to what has been going on.

At this point our opinions really don't matter. The election is over. The McCain campaign ran a terrible campaign. We as a country no matter whether we voted for him or not need to rally behind him and hope for the best.

Like I said in another thread as much as I disagree with the guy the guy is going to be our president and he has my full support until. OF course I will criticize him when he does things I don't agree with but that is our jobs of citizen of this country. Mass criticisim echoes through this country louder than anything. If you don't believe it than look at this election. People are not happy with Bush and that is why Obama is going to win.

Obama is a smart guy. That being said we should all take comfort that he will pick advisors that will help his Presidency.

As much as some people may dislike Obama(myself included) NONE OF US SHOULD WISH UPON HIM A FAILED PRESIDENCY. Because when he screws up WE ARE ALL SCREWED.

Obama ran a hell of a campaign. I take my hat off to him and he has my congratulations and well wishes.

well said man, this is EXACTLY the way everyone should be thinking right now. :goodjob:

[JR VQ 30 de]

I missed the first 7 pages of the thread but just reading this page gives me an idea as to what has been going on.

At this point our opinions really don't matter. The election is over. The McCain campaign ran a terrible campaign. We as a country no matter whether we voted for him or not need to rally behind him and hope for the best.

Like I said in another thread as much as I disagree with the guy the guy is going to be our president and he has my full support until. OF course I will criticize him when he does things I don't agree with but that is our jobs of citizen of this country. Mass criticisim echoes through this country louder than anything. If you don't believe it than look at this election. People are not happy with Bush and that is why Obama is going to win.

Obama is a smart guy. That being said we should all take comfort that he will pick advisors that will help his Presidency.

As much as some people may dislike Obama(myself included) NONE OF US SHOULD WISH UPON HIM A FAILED PRESIDENCY. Because when he screws up WE ARE ALL SCREWED.

Obama ran a hell of a campaign. I take my hat off to him and he has my congratulations and well wishes.

i hope people who are for mcCain think like you ...

[BanginJimmy]

Obama is a smart guy. That being said we should all take comfort that he will pick advisors that will help his Presidency.

Like Pelosi and Reid?

[DrivenMind]

I knew Obama would win. McCain's campaign was just to full of shit, and scare tactics to get very far.

So now we have four years to get the word out that it's time for a libertarian president...

[DrivenMind]

Like Pelosi and Reid?

Don't be an idiot.

[stephen]

i'm going to buy mr. kidd & redgt a beer saturday. i'm going to buy banginjimmy the bar.

reps to everyone for the good debates and discussions. once this is all over...i won't have anything to watch on tv! i guess it's back to watching the speed channel.

[Jecht]

i understand... but lets hypothetically say only educated get to vote... um that vote normally swings dems as well. the problem w/ this country is we run a 2 party system. if we allowed lib, grn, dems, reps, etc to all campaign + debate on the same scale things would be very very different.

I completely agree. :goodjob:

[JR VQ 30 de]

i'm going to buy mr. kidd & redgt a beer saturday. i'm going to buy banginjimmy the bar.

reps to everyone for the good debates and discussions. once this is all over...i won't have anything to watch on tv! i guess it's back to watching the speed channel.

lol

[bigdare23]

The Sore Loser of the night award goes to... drum roll ladies and gentlemen.............Bangin Jimmy....


Sore Loser of the Night Award should come with a month banning :lmfao:

[E46//M3]

lets get ready for a socialist....

[DrivenMind]

My mom just landed in New York earlier this afternoon, she sent me a text saying every time Obama wins a state you can the entire city cheering. Says she's never heard anything like it.

[BanginJimmy]

I knew Obama would win. McCain's campaign was just to full of shit, and scare tactics to get very far.

McCains was no more full of shit than Obama's, but Obama had the Bush trump card to play and he played it well.

[osnap]

:bump: woo

[Alan®]

Like Pelosi and Reid?
They are Majority Leaders not Cabinet Members.

[Echonova]

whether you like to believe it or not there are lots of race issues in this country still today. this has nothing to do w/ media but fact. we live in the south KKK was born and still lives here. i know this and i'm very very WHITE Troo story. I never thought of my marriage as being bi-racial until I moved back here.

[4dmin]

I know there are still racists but that is by no means race issues. When was the last time a black was denied a job due to his race? When was the last time a white was denied a job due to his race? I'll be more whies are denied jobs due to race than black because of Affirmative Action. If anything, there are more race issues with blacks blaming/hating whites for all of their woes than there are whites blaming/hating black.i don't understand your point b/c your proving mine... race is still a HUGE factor in this world and hopefully getting a black president will not only empower blacks, but women and other minorities. this can have an awesome reversal effect... your oprah, jackson, sharpton will nothing to compalin about. this is a great season for the white man... OJ :police: we can give them presidentcy - lol




People are blaming repubs for many things that are at the very least rooted in dem legislation, if not actually put into practice by dems. The last 2 years have been a perfect example of what the dems can do when they get a majority, absolutely nothing unless it follows party lines. Part of that is the absolutely aimless campaign by McCain, part of that is the uneducated voters.first off when you are in power most of your policies don't take affect right away. even when obama takes charge we are still looking at 2 more years of bush policies. but you are trying to say the past two years of dems majority is cause for our failures... sorry man you missed the boat.

[Alan®]

i'm going to buy mr. kidd & redgt a beer saturday. i'm going to buy banginjimmy the bar.

reps to everyone for the good debates and discussions. once this is all over...i won't have anything to watch on tv! i guess it's back to watching the speed channel.
Too bad I'm only 19 :(.

[BanginJimmy]

Someone is being a sore loser. Like a mf'er. Chalk it up to what is, a loss.

Race issues extend beyond what your perception of it being only about Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.


Guess you don't claim David Duke, huh?


When was the last time you saw David Duke on the news spewing his hate? I rememd all the hate Sharpton and Jackon were spewing durig the Jena 6 issues and the Duke Lacrosse team fiasco.

[DrivenMind]

McCains was no more full of shit than Obama's, but Obama had the Bush trump card to play and he played it well.

Incorrect, and the entire country could tell. I don't have to refute this, anyone who isn't a die hard republican can tell you that I'm not bullshitting.

[DrivenMind]

lets get ready for a socialist....

Don't be ignorant.

[4dmin]

McCains was no more full of shit than Obama's, but Obama had the Bush trump card to play and he played it well.

well nothing wrong w/ that b/c it was the truth for mccains voting record.

one more point i know many have brought up many many times they are voting only b/c he is black... i guess white males voted mccain b/c he is white... current numbers are showing mccain won white male vote.

[Vteckidd]

Too bad I'm only 19 :(.
I know people at the line your fine

[JConner]

Too bad I'm only 19 :(.


damn that sucks for you! i'll drink one for you!


Edit: Nevermind... Mr. Kidd knows people

[BanginJimmy]

i don't understand your point b/c your proving mine... race is still a HUGE factor in this world and hopefully getting a black president will not only empower blacks, but women and other minorities. this can have an awesome reversal effect... your oprah, jackson, sharpton will nothing to compalin about. this is a great season for the white man... OJ :police: we can give them presidentcy - lol

I hope you are right but I really dont see it. With an increase in govt handouts it will only increase the number of people that expect them. When I said I was going to cut off my insurance from work I wasnt kidding. Why should I pay for it if the govt will give it to me for free?




first off when you are in power most of your policies don't take affect right away. even when obama takes charge we are still looking at 2 more years of bush policies. but you are trying to say the past two years of dems majority is cause for our failures... sorry man you missed the boat.

I know this, but you cannot say that the dems have passed any significant legislation that will do anything but hinder our recovery from the issues we have now.
The legislation I was talking about though was more geared towards the Clinton Admin with the CRA which led to the housing boom and the meltdown and the subsequent credit issues, which led to most other problems we have now.

[4dmin]

so what i'm wondering is stevens in alaska was convicted but he is still on the ticket... how can he win? i guess if he does it goes to run off?

[BobbyFresco]

When was the last time you saw David Duke on the news spewing his hate? I rememd all the hate Sharpton and Jackon were spewing durig the Jena 6 issues and the Duke Lacrosse team fiasco.


You saw them spewing hate or you saw them being opportunists?

However, David Duke has been on tv spewing his hateful rhetoric.

Seriously with the whole victimology routine you have going, you are no better than a Black man who blames his failures on everyone but himself.

[Alan®]

I know people at the line your fine

Thanks for the offer but I'll pass :goodjob:

[BobbyFresco]

PS: where are the riots?

[ironchef]

I hope you are right but I really dont see it. With an increase in govt handouts it will only increase the number of people that expect them. When I said I was going to cut off my insurance from work I wasnt kidding. Why should I pay for it if the govt will give it to me for free?
You'll end up paying for it one way or another. If its not increased taxes, it will be through inflation and wealth redistribution lulz.

[DrivenMind]

I was looking at the maps. lol @ almost the entire southeast nearly voting for McCain...

[Alan®]

DAMN VIRGINIA WAS FUCKING CLOSE

[BanginJimmy]

one more point i know many have brought up many many times they are voting only b/c he is black... i guess white males voted mccain b/c he is white... current numbers are showing mccain won white male vote.

I'm sure his race was the main issue for a couple million voters, but it was a couple million spread out over 50 states and msot of those are going to be neutralized by whites that wont vote for a black.




For those of you that think I am simply being bitter you are wrong. I seriously think Obama will do serious and longlasting damage to this country with his policies. Looking at his ambitions he wants to push this country even further towards a welfare nation. JFK said "Ask not what your country can do vor you, but what you can do for your country" Obama is campaigning on exactly the opposite. Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you. Obviously that is going to sound good to alot of people, but to anyone that really thinks about it, it will only cause this country to fall further from grace.

[BobbyFresco]

All I can say is I am thoroughly surprised by MrKidd and RedGT.
Gracious.:cheers:

[tony]

so what i'm wondering is stevens in alaska was convicted but he is still on the ticket... how can he win? i guess if he does it goes to run off?

I talked to my dad tonight (he's still in Alaska) and he told me two things: The people are pissed with Stevens and they are pissed with Palin. The latter suprised me more than anything, he said she will receive a cold reception when she comes back.

[Alan®]

Hey Paul. I know we already have the wall street section and all but any way once you guys close this section down we can get AN ACTUAL political subforum?

[Alan®]

I talked to my dad tonight (he's still in Alaska) and he told me two things: The people are pissed with Stevens and they are pissed with Palin. The latter suprised me more than anything, he said she will receive a cold reception when she comes back.
Details?

[DrivenMind]

I'm sure his race was the main issue for a couple million voters, but it was a couple million spread out over 50 states and msot of those are going to be neutralized by whites that wont vote for a black.




For those of you that think I am simply being bitter you are wrong. I seriously think Obama will do serious and longlasting damage to this country with his policies. Looking at his ambitions he wants to push this country even further towards a welfare nation. JFK said "Ask not what your country can do vor you, but what you can do for your country" Obama is campaigning on exactly the opposite. Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you. Obviously that is going to sound good to alot of people, but to anyone that really thinks about it, it will only cause this country to fall further from grace.

Dude GTFO with your hate, and bullshit.

[4dmin]

I hope you are right but I really dont see it. With an increase in govt handouts it will only increase the number of people that expect them. When I said I was going to cut off my insurance from work I wasnt kidding. Why should I pay for it if the govt will give it to me for free?



this is very large misunderstanding on what he is trying to do... i will break it down for b/c i know alittle bit about this as i worked for one of the largest TPAs for 6 years.

he is proposing using gov buying power to get same policy benefits he has for regular americans...

THIS IS NOT FREE. YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY. BUT IF IT IS BETTER THEN YOUR CURRENT INSURANCE THEN YOU CAN BUY IN.

now why would we do this... more people on a plan the better the benefits. this is why fortune 500 companies have better benefits then private companies. mainly b/c of buying power. considering Joe The Plumber has been quite the topic lets look at what it would cost Joe's Company for healthcare. Well say he employs under 10 employees. Decent healthcare would roughly run 500$ a month per person. Lets say one of those people gets diabetus or has cancer; once he goes to renew his package his rates will be recalculated and that 500$ could go up to 600$ b/c of 1 employee. now w/ the buying power of 100,000s of members your rates could be significantly lower like 100$

[Alan®]

All I can say is I am thoroughly surprised by MrKidd and RedGT.
Gracious.:cheers:
:cheers: Being a sore loser doesn't change the fact you still lost.

[BanginJimmy]

Hey Paul. I know we already have the wall street section and all but any way once you guys close this section down we can get AN ACTUAL political subforum?


we do need one. After I finish feeling sorry for myself I can get abck to realistic debate.

[DrivenMind]

You were never debating realistically to begin with Jimmy.

[BobbyFresco]

:cheers: Being a sore loser doesn't change the fact you still lost.



You should share some of that attitude w/someone else.

[BanginJimmy]

McCains was no more full of shit than Obama's, but Obama had the Bush trump card to play and he played it well.

DrivenMind, what about this is incorrect? Obama never says how he will pay for even half of his new programs. He has no answers as to how he will regulate his new handout programs to prevent the rampant abuse we see in other govt progams. The unanswered questions concerning his campaign far outweigh the ones he has answeed.

[4dmin]

I'm sure his race was the main issue for a couple million voters, but it was a couple million spread out over 50 states and msot of those are going to be neutralized by whites that wont vote for a black.




For those of you that think I am simply being bitter you are wrong. I seriously think Obama will do serious and longlasting damage to this country with his policies. Looking at his ambitions he wants to push this country even further towards a welfare nation. JFK said "Ask not what your country can do vor you, but what you can do for your country" Obama is campaigning on exactly the opposite. Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you. Obviously that is going to sound good to alot of people, but to anyone that really thinks about it, it will only cause this country to fall further from grace.its funny you say JFK b/c i've said a couple times he has the possibility to be JFK of modern times... now this won't get done by playing LEFT he needs to first bring the nation together then he needs to help out the majority of america... take that as you wish.

[BanginJimmy]

You were never debating realistically to begin with Jimmy.


actually I was, I just dont agree with your saviors ideas.

[4dmin]

DrivenMind, what about this is incorrect? Obama never says how he will pay for even half of his new programs. He has no answers as to how he will regulate his new handout programs to prevent the rampant abuse we see in other govt progams. The unanswered questions concerning his campaign far outweigh the ones he has answeed.

but this was mccain failure as well... mccain repeadidly said i'm going to cut earmarks... thats 18 billion. that won't balance a budget. so again it goes both ways. furthermore he picked a running mate that is the complete opposite of what they ran on when it comes to earmarks and spending ;)

[tony]

Details?

I'll have to ask him when he calls back, he was just calling to ask how things were going down here. The blog on this page shows that people think she lost herself in the midst of the election

http://www.adn.com/elections/story/578634.html

[Echonova]

so what i'm wondering is stevens in alaska was convicted but he is still on the ticket... how can he win? i guess if he does it goes to run off?If he wins, the governor of Alaska names his replacement.Yes, Palin.

She could nominate herself in theory.

[BobbyFresco]

actually I was, I just dont agree with your saviors ideas.


Actually, he doesn't swear by the "savior" either.

[BanginJimmy]

its funny you say JFK b/c i've said a couple times he has the possibility to be JFK of modern times... now this won't get done by playing LEFT he needs to first bring the nation together then he needs to help out the majority of america... take that as you wish.

we as much as I distrust Obama, I hope he avoids convertables when he is in Dallas.


If Obama makes ANY moves to work with the right I will start a thread and apologize for my slamming of Obama. My only excuse will be that he has never shown any indication that he will work with the right on any significant or controversial issue. I wonder if his advisors told him he cant vote present on those touchy ones.

[DrivenMind]

Don't be silly, politics is all about empty promises. I don't really think either of the candidates offer reasonable explanations as to how they were going to accomplish anything. That's why I don't think either one of them will really get shit done. Get over it. They're two sides of the same god damned coin. Obama's tax plan won't even affect but a very select few people in the states, judging by the fact that you love your GMC Jimmy so much, I'm assuming you're not one of them. Quit crying.

And in reference to what you said, even Terri Schiavo could tell how much sneaky bullshit was put into the McCain campaign. I'm not saying it's his fauly, but there were a lot of prejudice undertones that certainly do not make him look any better to the rest of the world.

[4dmin]

If he wins, the governor of Alaska names his replacement.Yes, Palin.

She could nominate herself in theory. ouch!

[DrivenMind]

we as much as I distrust Obama, I hope he avoids convertables when he is in Dallas.

.

Dude you're really starting to get on my fucking nerves...

[4dmin]

obama wins virgina and enough votes

https://donate.barackobama.com/page/smartproxy/www.barackobama.com/images/thankyou_banner.jpg

[Alan®]

Well that's it folks its over.

Congratulations Barrack Obama.

[Vteckidd]

Its over congrats mr. President elect obama

[Alan®]

sig and avi changed lol.

[4dmin]

WELL I HAVE TO SAY I'M HAPPY AND SAD ITS OVER...

I'VE HAD A GREAT TIME DEBATING THE ISSUES AGREE/DISAGREE; DEFINATELY NICE TO SEE A DECENT % OF IA INTERESTED IN OUR FUTURE.

[.blank cd]

History has been made

[bigdare23]

http://www.obamaforuspresident.com/ads%20jpg/yeswecan2.jpg

[BanginJimmy]

this is very large misunderstanding on what he is trying to do... i will break it down for b/c i know alittle bit about this as i worked for one of the largest TPAs for 6 years.

he is proposing using gov buying power to get same policy benefits he has for regular americans...

THIS IS NOT FREE. YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY. BUT IF IT IS BETTER THEN YOUR CURRENT INSURANCE THEN YOU CAN BUY IN.

now why would we do this... more people on a plan the better the benefits. this is why fortune 500 companies have better benefits then private companies. mainly b/c of buying power. considering Joe The Plumber has been quite the topic lets look at what it would cost Joe's Company for healthcare. Well say he employs under 10 employees. Decent healthcare would roughly run 500$ a month per person. Lets say one of those people gets diabetus or has cancer; once he goes to renew his package his rates will be recalculated and that 500$ could go up to 600$ b/c of 1 employee. now w/ the buying power of 100,000s of members your rates could be significantly lower like 100$


I understand where this is coming from, but emplyees still have a premium to pay and most of the people without health insurance now will not be able to afford this coverage even at the lower costs. Alos he said he was going to use the same plan that is used by congress. That is not a cheap plan, who is going to pay for this plan? My tax money. I'm willing to bet that costs for this program only top military spending within 3 years of full inception. Who is going to pay for it when those evil rich people that make over 200k, or whatever number is is using now, a year cant afford it? Then add in removing the cap on SS deductions, and raising the cap gains taxes and that top 10% of income tax payers will be allowed to keep less than half of their earnings.

[Barefoot]

woot woot its over

[BKgen®]

wow :D

[Slow Motion]

Obama is president.

[BanginJimmy]

Dude you're really starting to get on my fucking nerves...


cry me a river

[BobbyFresco]

Ladies and Gentlemen, goodnight.

[DrivenMind]

cry me a river

Cry me a clan hood.

White trash.

[BanginJimmy]

Have a good one Bobby.

[Alan®]

Obama is president elect.
fixed

[Turbo Terrance]

hopefully the issue of race wont get swept under the rug anymore not that we will have a black prez., and hopefully people will be more open about it...

[BanginJimmy]

Cry me a clan hood.

White trash.

disagree with Obama and you are a white trash racist. I guess I should get used to this over the next 4 years huh.

[tony]

C'mon guys.. cut that stuff out. If you support Obama, enjoy the moment, no need to argue at this point.

[DrivenMind]

C'mon guys.. cut that stuff out. If you support Obama, enjoy the moment, no need to argue at this point.

Nah man it was the "I hope he avoids convertibles, while he's in Texas comment" that got me talking shit. If he's going to make references to him being assassinated the night he's won, then he can expect nothing but low blows from me.

[BanginJimmy]

Nah man it was the "I hope he avoids convertibles, while he's in Texas comment" that got me talking shit. If he's going to make references to him being assassinated the night he's won, then he can expect nothing but low blows from me.


Read what I was quoting and then re-read my post. Admin brought up how Obama was similiar to JFK, I made it clear I was hopeful that nothing like that happened to him.