intresting poll of what the military thinks

[USMC_is300]

http://www.militarytimes.com/static/projects/pages/081003_ep_2pp.pdf

[Deke]

hmm, actually thought this might be interesting. Instead it's exactly what I expected.

[JTImport]

Are not these the same men and women that the liberals are so worried about getting killed?? Looks to me they KNOW who the right person for the job is!! ;)!!

[Alan®]

not surprised but they discourage (or atleast they used to) associating with any one party. Which is why I laugh when people make a big deal out of Mccain's undecisiveness when he was picking his party.

[SPOOLIN]

i just love the only pie chart supporting obama is the black/african-american chart


thats out of just about 1.5 million or so? Pretty interesting.

[4dmin]

hmm, actually thought this might be interesting. Instead it's exactly what I expected.

same here - it shows nothing more then the majority of the people polled want to stay at war :rolleyes:; i'm sure they all are great economist.

[BanginJimmy]

It was exactly what I expected. The military has always been republican, but since 9/11 they have become even more republican.


1 thing that I found funny though. 45% of white voters thought character of the president be a top issue, while 18% of blacks did.

[JTImport]

"same here - it shows nothing more then the majority of the people polled want to stay at war :rolleyes:; i'm sure they all are great economist."


Much better then economist! They are the ones who make sure that you can live free there buddy! ;) You know the men and women that put their lives on the line so a guy like you can go vote. You know the same people that DIE everyday so that you can set here on the internet all day in a nice free country and spew your gibberish!

To me our armed forces opinion out weighs yours a million fold!

A comment like that from an Obama supporter! Now that's no surprise! :rolleyes:

[4dmin]

"same here - it shows nothing more then the majority of the people polled want to stay at war :rolleyes:; i'm sure they all are great economist."


Much better then economist! They are the ones who make sure that you can live free there buddy! ;) You know the men and women that put their lives on the line so a guy like you can go vote. You know the same people that DIE everyday so that you can set here on the internet all day in a nice free country and spew your gibberish!

To me our armed forces opinion out weighs yours a million fold!

A comment like that from an Obama supporter! Now that's no surprise! :rolleyes:

lol - i'm sorry you think your freedom is based of our our troops at war:boohoo:

unfortunately you are sadly mistaken. we are not anymore free today then we were pre 9/11 actually we are less free and due to 9/11 we have had more personal privacy taken away. spending 10 billion dollars a month on a pointless war doesn't justify anything; nor does who the military is voting for. our economy is # 1 issue on the hearts and minds of americans not war.

[SPOOLIN]

lol - i'm sorry you think your freedom is based of our our troops at war:boohoo:

unfortunately you are sadly mistaken. we are not anymore free today then we were pre 9/11 actually we are less free and due to 9/11 we have had more personal privacy taken away. spending 10 billion dollars a month on a pointless war doesn't justify anything; nor does who the military is voting for. our economy is # 1 issue on the hearts and minds of americans not war.


not always true. You can have all the money you need but still won't be safe without the military. You can have all the military you need but still be safe without the money. Theoretically speaking of course.


it doesn't matter, all of their absentee ballots will be lost in purgatory anyways.

[Hulud]

"same here - it shows nothing more then the majority of the people polled want to stay at war :rolleyes:; i'm sure they all are great economist."


Much better then economist! They are the ones who make sure that you can live free there buddy! ;) You know the men and women that put their lives on the line so a guy like you can go vote. You know the same people that DIE everyday so that you can set here on the internet all day in a nice free country and spew your gibberish!

To me our armed forces opinion out weighs yours a million fold!

A comment like that from an Obama supporter! Now that's no surprise! :rolleyes:
:lmao: @ your simple minded thoughts

[tony]

"same here - it shows nothing more then the majority of the people polled want to stay at war :rolleyes:; i'm sure they all are great economist."


Much better then economist! They are the ones who make sure that you can live free there buddy! ;) You know the men and women that put their lives on the line so a guy like you can go vote. You know the same people that DIE everyday so that you can set here on the internet all day in a nice free country and spew your gibberish!

To me our armed forces opinion out weighs yours a million fold!

A comment like that from an Obama supporter! Now that's no surprise! :rolleyes:

Just out of curiosity, have you ever served? Please don't answer with the "well my so n so served," have YOU?

[blacknightteg]

im not going on on my own opinion of what the military things. but i will go on my buddy who is in the army and what he said his unit would vote for. he told me he and the majority of his unity fucking hate mccain, now im not saying that its the whole military, but to have even a little bit of an animosity towards someone who could be your commander n cheif is rediculous.

[Hulud]

but to have even a little bit of an animosity towards someone who could be your commander n cheif is rediculous.
what? wow LOL

i forgot that in the military you cant have a mind of your own :doh:

thats like saying you cant have any animosity for your boss at your work

[JTImport]

I laugh at all your young stupidity!! You all are more then likely about to get what you want. A country full of ungrateful, self centered, cowards who want everything given to them instead of having to work for it. Who want freedom but don't want to have to fight for it!

[tony]

I laugh at all your young stupidity!! You all are more then likely about to get what you want. A country full of ungrateful, self centered, cowards who want everything given to them instead of having to work for it. Who want freedom but don't want to have to fight for it!

I know at least 2 or 3 in this thread that has served or is serving, have YOU?

[JTImport]

No I have not. I tried to get in 3 times but my knee stopped all my hopes of entering. I even went threw 4 operations one of which left me off my leg for almost a year in hopes of being able to join.

Have you?? If it matters to you so much then I guess the bigger question you need to ask is if Obama has!!

I'm not going to go on and on about this.

It just upsets me when people talk down about our armed forces. Like they are a bunch of mindless drones! I have had dear friends and family members give their lives for this country. Yes I did mention them! I am proud of what they have done and are still doing!

Grow up people! Freedom is NOT free! You can not talk your way out of a confrontation with a mad man!

If Obama wins we will see how long it takes him to pull out of the middle east!

[Total_Blender]

Its no surprise that the military is more conservative. Its a volunteer military and many of those who join probably do so because they agree with the current policies. Those who disagree with the way things are going are less likely to enlist (or motivated by other factors like money, career training, etc)

The same poll taken in the 1968 election when there was a draft might very well have favored against the war-hawks.

[tony]

No I have not. I tried to get in 3 times but my knee stopped all my hopes of entering. I even went threw 4 operations one of which left me off my leg for almost a year in hopes of being able to join.

Have you?? If it matters to you so much then I guess the bigger question you need to ask is if Obama has!!

I'm not going to go on and on about this.

It just upsets me when people talk down about our armed forces. Like they are a bunch of mindless drones! I have had dear friends and family members give their lives for this country. Yes I did mention them! I am proud of what they have done and are still doing!



o.. so you criticize others when you didn't make the cut. I raised my right hand last month and grew up a military brat so let me remind you.. you don't speak for the military.

I've yet to earn my stripes but understand that we all have differences, do not question someone elses Patriotism based on standards you weren't able to live up to yourself. Opposing the Iraq war doesn't make me any less American than anyone else around here, its nothing more than a difference of opinion.

[4dmin]

No I have not. I tried to get in 3 times but my knee stopped all my hopes of entering. I even went threw 4 operations one of which left me off my leg for almost a year in hopes of being able to join.

Have you?? If it matters to you so much then I guess the bigger question you need to ask is if Obama has!!

I'm not going to go on and on about this.

It just upsets me when people talk down about our armed forces. Like they are a bunch of mindless drones! I have had dear friends and family members give their lives for this country. Yes I did mention them! I am proud of what they have done and are still doing!

Grow up people! Freedom is NOT free! You can not talk your way out of a confrontation with a mad man!

If Obama wins we will see how long it takes him to pull out of the middle east!

seriously man you make some seriously bold and dumb statements... military does have quite a bit of mindless drones in it; they have lowered the standards over the past 8 years so they could enlist more people in the military.

which mad man do you refer to? bush b/c he is the reason we are at war. i mean where are his WMD? com'on i mean are we in Iraq b/c they were involved w/ 9/11 or b/c we are finishing daddys work?

you obviously need to grow up and educate yourself.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/153/981618%7ETeam-America-World-Police-Advance-Posters.jpg

[CobraClone]

i mean where are his WMD?


I get tired of hearing this. If you beleive there were no WMDs you must be blind.

If you ever get the chance to speak with a seal or any other person that does/has participated in black ops. They will tell you, you are an idiot.

[CobraClone]

And just to add, I think military should be first in line to vote. No questions asked. I don't care if they have to go to each and every one personally to get their vote.

[BanginJimmy]

As I have said before, the military is historicly republican so this poll is nothing new. My experiences have also shown there is also a HUGE disparty between active duty and and reserve units where reserve units I have been involved with have been more 50/50 between the parties.


I know it will never happen, and I know most people will disagree with me, but I think that anyone that wants to hold a federal public office (Represenative, Senator, POresident, VP) should have at least 1 term of military service. It only makes sense that the top military man in the country has some service as the low man on the totem pole.

[DrivenMind]

"same here - it shows nothing more then the majority of the people polled want to stay at war :rolleyes:; i'm sure they all are great economist."


Much better then economist! They are the ones who make sure that you can live free there buddy! ;) You know the men and women that put their lives on the line so a guy like you can go vote. You know the same people that DIE everyday so that you can set here on the internet all day in a nice free country and spew your gibberish!

To me our armed forces opinion out weighs yours a million fold!

A comment like that from an Obama supporter! Now that's no surprise! :rolleyes:

That's a bunch of silly bullshit. Last time I checked we were attacked once, by a group of people whom we have yet to catch. We're the ones doing the invading. So don't kid yourself, and don't tell me my liberty is dependent upon toppling the governments of foreign countries who had little to do with the terrorist attacks America experienced. If America was being invaded, then they'd be protecting my liberties, but in the mean time, they're just expanding the influence of the empire I happen to live in. You hypocrite. You idiots are all the same, talking shit about "they're defending you're right to be lazy, and talk shit." No bro, they're defending the liberties of the Iraqi people. Not the American people. That's why it's called the Operation Iraqi freedom, not Operation American freedom. So before you spew out anymore silly bullshit, you might want to get a better grasp on the reality of the world you live in.

Contrary to popular belief, you are not protecting my freedom, by forcefully liberating people in the middle east. In fact you may be putting my freedom in further jeopardy, because every time the military screws up, and kills some innocent persons family, I guarantee you the survivors will have no problem participating in another 9/11.

Do I think Saddam deserved what he got? Absolutely. But I'm not a fool, and I know I'm not any safer because he's gone. The only gibberish I see here, is the mindless dribble coming out of the mouth of your thoughtless belief system. I'm sure you have the best intentions, but you haven't thought it through.

[4dmin]

I get tired of hearing this. If you beleive there were no WMDs you must be blind.

If you ever get the chance to speak with a seal or any other person that does/has participated in black ops. They will tell you, you are an idiot.


dude this is the dumbest statement... this is like saying they caught osama but they aren't going to tell the american public.

if we went to iraq and found some STOCK PILE of WMD which we were sold on then the american public wouldn't have a problem w/ the war. i'm tried of bush nut swingers like yourself give these where's waldo answers... either they have them or they don't. bush has yet to deliver such evidence and same goes for catching the people orginally responsible for 9/11. how about you have your "black ops" connections contact fox news w/ your WMD findings.

[4dmin]

That's a bunch of silly bullshit. Last time I checked we were attacked once, by a group of people whom we have yet to catch. We're the ones doing the invading. So don't kid yourself, and don't tell me my liberty is dependent upon toppling the governments of foreign countries who had little to do with the terrorist attacks America experienced. If America was being invaded, then they'd be protecting my liberties, but in the mean time, they're just expanding the influence of the empire I happen to live in. You hypocrite. You idiots are all the same, talking shit about "they're defending you're right to be lazy, and talk shit." No bro, they're defending the liberties of the Iraqi people. Not the American people. That's why it's called the Operation Iraqi freedom, not Operation American freedom. So before you spew out anymore silly bullshit, you might want to get a better grasp on the reality of the world you live in.

Contrary to popular belief, you are not protecting my freedom, by forcefully liberating people in the middle east. In fact you may be putting my freedom in further jeopardy, because every time the military screws up, and kills some innocent persons family, I guarantee you the survivors will have no problem participating in another 9/11.

Do I think Saddam deserved what he got? Absolutely. But I'm not a fool, and I know I'm not any safer because he's gone. The only gibberish I see here, is the mindless dribble coming out of the mouth of your thoughtless belief system. I'm sure you have the best intentions, but you haven't thought it through.

lol good post these are the same people that think jesus is coming back.

"cling to your guns and religion" :lmfao:

[BanginJimmy]

That's a bunch of silly bullshit. Last time I checked we were attacked once, by a group of people whom we have yet to catch. We're the ones doing the invading. So don't kid yourself, and don't tell me my liberty is dependent upon toppling the governments of foreign countries who had little to do with the terrorist attacks America experienced. If America was being invaded, then they'd be protecting my liberties, but in the mean time, they're just expanding the influence of the empire I happen to live in. You hypocrite. You idiots are all the same, talking shit about "they're defending you're right to be lazy, and talk shit." No bro, they're defending the liberties of the Iraqi people. Not the American people. That's why it's called the Operation Iraqi freedom, not Operation American freedom. So before you spew out anymore silly bullshit, you might want to get a better grasp on the reality of the world you live in.

Contrary to popular belief, you are not protecting my freedom, by forcefully liberating people in the middle east. In fact you may be putting my freedom in further jeopardy, because every time the military screws up, and kills some innocent persons family, I guarantee you the survivors will have no problem participating in another 9/11.

Do I think Saddam deserved what he got? Absolutely. But I'm not a fool, and I know I'm not any safer because he's gone. The only gibberish I see here, is the mindless dribble coming out of the mouth of your thoughtless belief system. I'm sure you have the best intentions, but you haven't thought it through.


I agree with alot of what you say even though I do support the occupation in Iraq.

1 thing I do disagree with you though, we are safer now than we ever were under Clinton. There has been 2 minor attacks on US intrests since the invasion of Iraq. Neither of those attacks resulted in the loss of an American life. uring the Clinton admin, we had 3 attacks that resulted in the loss of human life. 1 WTC bombing, the coordinated attacks on the embassies in Kenya and Nairobi I believe they were, and the USS Cole.

That safety is because of the attention that Al Qaeda has been paying to Iraq. We have deat severe blows to the leadership in Iraq and internationally. We have severely diminshed their recruiting ability. We have installed a govt that as of right now are aligned with US intrests. The more influance we can have in the mid east the safer we are in the long run.

More immediate problems are stabilizing Iraq now that we did invade. If we leave before the job is done we will only leave the door open for Iran to take control either overtly or covertly. If that happens we will have MUCH bigger problems than we have now. I also think that if Iran makes an overt move towards Iraq it will cause Israel to attack Iran and bring us back into the area under much more unfriendly terms.

[DrivenMind]

dude this is the dumbest statement... this is like saying they caught osama but they aren't going to tell the american public.

if we went to iraq and found some STOCK PILE of WMD which we were sold on then the american public wouldn't have a problem w/ the war. i'm tried of bush nut swingers like yourself give these where's waldo answers... either they have them or they don't. bush has yet to deliver such evidence and same goes for catching the people orginally responsible for 9/11. how about you have your "black ops" connections contact fox news w/ your WMD findings.

If I remember correctly I think we found some portions of chemical weapons, in particular the ones Saddam used to gas his own people, but they were certainly not capable of using them against the US in any organized sense, and they were far from being nuclear weapons. And just because we found a chemical weapon doesn't mean it falls under the classification of WMD. That'd be like us invading Germany again because they still sell Zyclon B as a pesticide, or had some left over mustard gas.

[tony]

As I have said before, the military is historicly republican so this poll is nothing new. My experiences have also shown there is also a HUGE disparty between active duty and and reserve units where reserve units I have been involved with have been more 50/50 between the parties.




Reserve units are much more laid back than Active Duty.. from what I've seen.

I tend to think everyone should be forced to serve 2 years out of high school.

[CobraClone]

Contrary to popular belief, you are not protecting my freedom, by forcefully liberating people in the middle east.

There is no way to see or know what may have been, but I think if we could, you may be surprised.:2cents:


In fact you may be putting my freedom in further jeopardy, because every time the military screws up, and kills some innocent persons family, I guarantee you the survivors will have no problem participating in another 9/11.

This does not happen nearly as often as many would have you beleive. Actually, with all the bureacracy and rules they follow, its very seldom.

[4dmin]

If I remember correctly I think we found some portions of chemical weapons, in particular the ones Saddam used to gas his own people, but they were certainly not capable of using them against the US in any organized sense, and they were far from being nuclear weapons. And just because we found a chemical weapon doesn't mean it falls under the classification of WMD. That'd be like us invading Germany again because they still sell Zyclon B as a pesticide, or had some left over mustard gas.

exactly... finding left over shells from previous wars is far from trying to sell the American public on danger Iraq could cause us.


I tend to think everyone should be forced to serve 2 years out of high school. i agree but i dont' think military should be only option - community service, military, etc... i think gov should pay for atleast 2 years of college as well for time served; education is what our society needs ;)

[blaknoize]

^^well the leader of the country should have been responsible enough to not jump the gun and attack someone who didnt attack us. Now it FORCES an excuse like "we cant leave or it'll look bad" situation. So then EVERYONE can say, "oh, it yallz fault, so FIX IT." BS. So a rock and a hard place now exists and this could of been avoided simply by attacking our actual attackers and not someone else.

[BanginJimmy]

i think gov should pay for atleast 2 years of college as well for time served; education is what our society needs ;)

The military pays for 3 years of college already after you finish a 4 year contract or you are released from active duty honorably after 1 year. Its called the Montgomery GI Bill. Also if you are still in, you can receive federal tuition assistance to goto school. That will pay 100% of tuition and fees.

[DrivenMind]

I agree with alot of what you say even though I do support the occupation in Iraq.

1 thing I do disagree with you though, we are safer now than we ever were under Clinton. There has been 2 minor attacks on US intrests since the invasion of Iraq. Neither of those attacks resulted in the loss of an American life. uring the Clinton admin, we had 3 attacks that resulted in the loss of human life. 1 WTC bombing, the coordinated attacks on the embassies in Kenya and Nairobi I believe they were, and the USS Cole.

That safety is because of the attention that Al Qaeda has been paying to Iraq. We have deat severe blows to the leadership in Iraq and internationally. We have severely diminshed their recruiting ability. We have installed a govt that as of right now are aligned with US intrests. The more influance we can have in the mid east the safer we are in the long run.

More immediate problems are stabilizing Iraq now that we did invade. If we leave before the job is done we will only leave the door open for Iran to take control either overtly or covertly. If that happens we will have MUCH bigger problems than we have now. I also think that if Iran makes an overt move towards Iraq it will cause Israel to attack Iran and bring us back into the area under much more unfriendly terms.

But Iraq wasn't do a lot of recruiting for Al Quieda. They'd rather kill each other their over their silly Sunni/Shi'ite bullshit than worry about us. We knew Pakistan, and Afghanistan were where the people who were recruiting those who attacked us were hiding, but we went for Iraq because Bush decided after 9/11 it was time to start worrying about humanitarian issues, like genocide. Which coincided perfectly because all they had to do was tell the American public that our enemy was in Iraq, and that some how some way, Iraq had something to do with it.

We may have destabilized, the networking ability of the terrorist groups over there, but we are chasing the ghosts of the people who really haunt us, not to mention potentially creating a whole new sub sect of people who hate America with just as much deep rooted sociopathic fundamental religious fervor.

And you also have to think, we were made more aware of terrorism by the events of 9/11, not necessarily because of the war we decided to wage afterwards. In some respects we did the right thing, because Saddam was an authoritarian lunatic, and the middle east is better off without him; but Bush choose to capitalize on the opportunities provided by 9/11 in Iraq, rather than addressing the real issues, and root causes for those events. The world is better off without Saddam, no doubt about it, but it should have been the world working to rid themselves of him, rather than the US acting mostly alone.

[4dmin]

The military pays for 3 years of college already after you finish a 4 year contract or you are released from active duty honorably after 1 year. Its called the Montgomery GI Bill. Also if you are still in, you can receive federal tuition assistance to goto school. That will pay 100% of tuition and fees.

i know that but like many countries have other options then military... serve working home or abroad for your country. it is far better and appealing to people who think our wars are pointless like myself...

you can't justify war... there is not such thing. they flew planes in to our buildings why? not b/c they hate democracy which is what the man in the white house says but b/c we F U C K E D them time and time again. you can't expect to keep picking fights and taking sides w/o someone retaliating.

[CobraClone]

dude this is the dumbest statement... this is like saying they caught osama but they aren't going to tell the american public.

if we went to iraq and found some STOCK PILE of WMD which we were sold on then the american public wouldn't have a problem w/ the war. i'm tried of bush nut swingers like yourself give these where's waldo answers... either they have them or they don't. bush has yet to deliver such evidence and same goes for catching the people orginally responsible for 9/11. how about you have your "black ops" connections contact fox news w/ your WMD findings.


I say this because I have spoken with them, and just happened to be on this very subject saturday with a seal, and those were his words, not mine.

These weapons were moved to other countries in advance of our ANNOUNCED entry into iraq. If we were to pull out without removing saddam from power they would have returned to iraq.

[DrivenMind]

I wanted to do the Peace Corps, but unfortunately the government only wants to pay you reasonably if you help people by force, in accordance with their agenda, as in the military. I still might after college.

[4dmin]

I say this because I have spoken with them, and just happened to be on this very subject saturday with a seal, and those were his words, not mine.

These weapons were moved to other countries in advance of our ANNOUNCED entry into iraq. If we were to pull out without removing saddam from power they would have returned to iraq.

this is an awesome statement... truly awesome.

ok so your a dictator and you know you are going to be invaded - you don't leave your own country, but you can send WMD out of the country? com'on dude. if i was a dictator and knew my time was at an end why would i send away the one thing that could destroy my enemy? that doesn't make any sense. furthermore this information would of easily gotten UN/World support for the war if we had such intelligence. i wouldn't trust anything that comes from anyones mouth unless i see it w/ my own two eyes. you do know our gov't ratings are some of the lowest ever this goes for both reps/dems.

[DrivenMind]

Cobra I will respond to you after my beer run.

[BanginJimmy]

i know that but like many countries have other options then military... serve working home or abroad for your country. it is far better and appealing to people who think our wars are pointless like myself...

I would have no problems with the govt providing additional ways to qualify for federal tuition assistance, but IMO it has to have lesser benefits or competitive for the assistance. I would also have no problems with certain non-deployable jobs in the military for people in college. Send them through bootcamp and MOS school, but after that treat it like an internship. Work 3 days a week while going to school full time.


you can't justify war... there is not such thing.

Are you saying you cant justify war period, or the war in Iraq? I dont think there was justification for the war in Iraq, but throughout history we have been in 3 wars




they flew planes in to our buildings why? not b/c they hate democracy which is what the man in the white house says but b/c we F U C K E D them time and time again. you can't expect to keep picking fights and taking sides w/o someone retaliating.


yes and no. Many of them hate us because of the religious teachings of those that manipulate the Koran to fit their ideology. They use hate to further their own egos and send those that aelrn from them to kill innocents. In all reality the only fight we picked was currently in Iraq. In 3 other occations we used them as pawns for our own policies though.

[CobraClone]

What would a dictator with an ego like saddam had, leave his own country for? I'm sure he didn't expect the U.S. to actually come in and remove him from power. This is only speculation of course, but he probably thought the U.S. would just threaten and not follow through. Maybe the U.N. would come in and look around like they had before, but nothing more than a stern letter from them would come from it as usual.

Do you really believe we would get U.N./world support for anything? Have we ever?
The U.S. puts more $$ into the U.N. than any other country in the world, by far, and gets the least support from it. Yes, we have some allies, and we need to support them to the best of our ability, but by no means will the "world" ever support us nor should we expect them to.PERIOD.

[4dmin]

What would a dictator with an ego like saddam had, leave his own country for? I'm sure he didn't expect the U.S. to actually come in and remove him from power. This is only speculation of course, but he probably thought the U.S. would just threaten and not follow through. Maybe the U.N. would come in and look around like they had before, but nothing more than a stern letter from them would come from it as usual.

Do you really believe we would get U.N./world support for anything? Have we ever?
The U.S. puts more $$ into the U.N. than any other country in the world, by far, and gets the least support from it. Yes, we have some allies, and we need to support them to the best of our ability, but by no means will the "world" ever support us nor should we expect them to.PERIOD.

you kinda answered my question. if someone w/ an ego like saddam didn't think we were going to do anything why would he of sent his "WMD" out of the country and why was he hiding in a bunker?

as far as the UN we get the least support b/c we are starting the most shit... sorry but we stick our nose in everyone's business way too much. worst thing for us right now is to get McCain in office b/c we will be in Iran, Pakistan, or Korea w/ in the next 4 years.

[CobraClone]

As much as I disagree with it, we stick our noses in everyone's business, because everyone wants/expects us to. We are too nice. They talk trash behind our backs, but then when they need help, we are the first they call.

I think mccain knows better than to spred us that thin. Obama on the other hand doesn't want to spred us thin either, he just wants to cut defense spending.

[4dmin]

As much as I disagree with it, we stick our noses in everyone's business, because everyone wants/expects us to. We are too nice. They talk trash behind our backs, but then when they need help, we are the first they call.

I think mccain knows better than to spred us that thin. Obama on the other hand doesn't want to spred us thin, he just wants to cut defense spending.

oh i agree in a firm hand... if it was determined iraq was behind 9/11 i suggest go nuclear and worry about clean up later like japan. shit look at what our war did to them ;) (one of world super powers now)

nothing wrong w/ cutting defense... its pretty retarded when we are spending billions like running water. that money should of been pumped into our economy in education, infrastructure, energy, etc. 25% of military budget is like 150 billion dollars (approx)... that money could easily be allocated to put the 40% of unemployed construction workers back to work here in the US repairing bridges/roads and building schools/hospitals/secure border, etc.

[CobraClone]

I agree, we are spending $$ much too freely. I say this because I don't think we could/should reduce defense spending immediately, but the next Pres. has to go over the budget and get things in order. Once this happens, we will be able to reduce these costs.

[BanginJimmy]

nothing wrong w/ cutting defense... its pretty retarded when we are spending billions like running water. that money should of been pumped into our economy in education, infrastructure, energy, etc. 25% of military budget is like 150 billion dollars (approx)... that money could easily be allocated to put the 40% of unemployed construction workers back to work here in the US repairing bridges/roads and building schools/hospitals/secure border, etc.

The military and intelligence was there Clinton got most of his cuts form too and it only made us more vunerable to attack.

Listen to where Obama wants to cut military though. Cuts in the upkeep of the nuke arsenal, cuts in modernizing, cuts in R&D. All of these things are what keeps us from being attacked. Having the best nuke arsenal keeps enemies from using nukes against us (MAD doctrine). Having the best weapons keeps enemies from attacking us conventionally. If anything we need to put moe money into modernizing and R&D for this new type of warfare we are seeing now.


Just payments made to personnel and veteran/retirees totals more than $125B of the $500B budget. That number does not include medical care and individual basic equipment for active and reserve components.

[4dmin]

The military and intelligence was there Clinton got most of his cuts form too and it only made us more vunerable to attack.

Listen to where Obama wants to cut military though. Cuts in the upkeep of the nuke arsenal, cuts in modernizing, cuts in R&D. All of these things are what keeps us from being attacked. Having the best nuke arsenal keeps enemies from using nukes against us (MAD doctrine). Having the best weapons keeps enemies from attacking us conventionally. If anything we need to put moe money into modernizing and R&D for this new type of warfare we are seeing now.


Just payments made to personnel and veteran/retirees totals more than $125B of the $500B budget. That number does not include medical care and individual basic equipment for active and reserve components.


all of the military spending didn't prevent 9/11 ;)

you can't spend money on weapons against terrorism... technology yes weapons no.

[BanginJimmy]

depends on what you call a weapon. As far as the military is concerned, info is every bit as much a weapon as a bomb is. One of the newest weapons is armed unmanned drones that have flight times of 30+ hours. As soon as those can be put to use on the battlefield it will make a large dent in the ability of using radio controlled roadside bombs as these drones can fly over convoy routes hours beforehand and catch some of the people looking to plant or detonate these bombs.