LS/Vtec discussion & Questions

[sakasaku]

Okay as almost the whole ef squad knows i am going to throw a d series in the hatch so i have a driving vehicle and i am going to build my ls/vtec on the side now, and i hhave some questions a a list that i took the time to do i hope its right:D


Ls/Vtec

1)Which head studs do i use? the one for the head i have?

2)What Ecu?

3)Which harnass?

Ls/vtec list

1)Gsr or B16 head
2)B18b1 block(have it)
3)B16 pistons
4)Eagle ls Rods
5) Stock ls crank or should i get the eagle one?
6)eagle ls/vtec kit
7)Eagle ls/vtec head gasket
8)Type-r oil pump
9)Type-r water pump
10)B16 cable trans.....for now:ninja:(Gsr later)
11)Type-r valvetrain
12)B16 flywheel lightened by 3lbs to 15lbs(type-r weight)
13) What clutch do you recommend for All moter ls/vtec?
14)Arp head studs
15)Arp rod bolts
16)ITR cams/maybe which are good aftermarket 4 all mota
17)harnass?
18)ecu?
19)hytech headers
Add more to what you think this setup needs... i know it sucks:D

[00CelicaGT]

ALC rod & main bearings
new thrust washers (use OEM)
new valve seals (use OEM)
good after market cams are skunk2 pro 1's
ferra valve guides (installed by machine shop)

im probably forgetting some stuff, but ill up date as i remember:goodjob:

as far as head studs go! use head studs to match the head u buy!

[VickNotic]

1)Gsr or B16 head
2)B18b1 block(have it)
3)B16 pistons (ITS' FORSALE ON IA)
4)Eagle ls Rods (STOCK IS FINE UNLESS YOU A BEATER)
5) Stock ls crank or should i get the eagle one? (EAGLE IF YOU BALLING)
6)eagle ls/vtec kit
7)Eagle ls/vtec head gasket (STOCK GSR HEAD GASKET)
8)Type-r oil pump (ITR/GSR SAME SH IT NO DIFFERENCE)
9)Type-r water pump (ITR/GSR SAME SH IT NO DIFFERENCE)
10)B16 cable trans.....for now:ninja:(Gsr later)
11)Type-r valvetrain (
12)B16 flywheel lightened by 3lbs to 15lbs(type-r weight)
13) What clutch do you recommend for All moter ls/vtec? (ACT, EXEDY)
14)Arp head studs
15)Arp rod bolts
16)ITR cams/maybe which are good aftermarket 4 all mota SKUNK2'S ARE GOOD, SELL ME UR ITR CAMS<--DEY NO GOOD
17)harnass? YOUR STOCK ONE IS FINE, you'll just have to pinn up knock sensor/vtec solinoid/
18)ecu? p72, p28
19)hytech headers (if your balling great headers fo n/a)
Add more to what you think this setup needs... i know it sucks:D
21) ACl main & rod bearings
22) timing belt kit
and some more misc gasket kit, main seals,
valve guides, valve seals, cam seals, head gasket kit,

[sakasaku]

1)Gsr or B16 head
2)B18b1 block(have it)
3)B16 pistons (ITS' FORSALE ON IA)
4)Eagle ls Rods (STOCK IS FINE UNLESS YOU A BEATER)
5) Stock ls crank or should i get the eagle one? (EAGLE IF YOU BALLING)
6)eagle ls/vtec kit
7)Eagle ls/vtec head gasket (STOCK GSR HEAD GASKET)
8)Type-r oil pump (ITR/GSR SAME SH IT NO DIFFERENCE)
9)Type-r water pump (ITR/GSR SAME SH IT NO DIFFERENCE)
10)B16 cable trans.....for now:ninja:(Gsr later)
11)Type-r valvetrain (
12)B16 flywheel lightened by 3lbs to 15lbs(type-r weight)
13) What clutch do you recommend for All moter ls/vtec? (ACT, EXEDY)
14)Arp head studs
15)Arp rod bolts
16)ITR cams/maybe which are good aftermarket 4 all mota SKUNK2'S ARE GOOD, SELL ME UR ITR CAMS<--DEY NO GOOD
17)harnass? YOUR STOCK ONE IS FINE, you'll just have to pinn up knock sensor/vtec solinoid/
18)ecu? p72, p28
19)hytech headers (if your balling great headers fo n/a)
Add more to what you think this setup needs... i know it sucks:D
21) ACl main & rod bearings
22) timing belt kit
and some more misc gasket kit, main seals,
valve guides, valve seals, cam seals, head gasket kit,







i appreciate it!:D

[00CelicaGT]

here read this, u might even want to join... this fourm helped me alot with my LS/VTEC build, pretty much answered all my questions.

this even goes into detail about wat oil to use when breaking in a freshly rebuilt motor.

http://www.b20vtec.com/forums/b-series-tech/56400-how-build-reliable-lsvtec-b20vtec-guide.html

[EvasiveEF9]

Hope this helps. Double check on your ECU/motor codes. I can't remember. I remember Pr4 is LS, though...

Oh, yeah, and use BNIB ACL or OEM bearings ALL AROUND. Make sure you remember the color codes from the bearings you removed. If you can't, toss them, and get ACLs. Either one is just as good of quality as the other.


Okay as almost the whole ef squad knows i am going to throw a d series in the hatch so i have a driving vehicle and i am going to build my ls/vtec on the side now, and i hhave some questions a a list that i took the time to do i hope its right:D


Ls/Vtec

1)Which head studs do i use? the one for the head i have? ARP studs for the head. ARP rod bolts for...the rod bolts.

2)What Ecu? I think either the GSR or Si (P72?) OBD1. DO THE OBD1 SWITCH! It'll be chipped.

3)Which harnass? If you wanna spend bank, get the hasport OBD0-1 harness. If you wanna get a little crafty and save some money get the Boomslang harness. For your motor, I don't recall which harness you're supposed to use.

Ls/vtec list

1)Gsr or B16 head IA or HT. Check with some local shops, too, as they may have it laying around.
2)B18b1 block(have it)
3)B16 pistons IA/HT. Use ONLY OEM honda pistons. Don't try to save money by buying some afternarket ones. You can sometimes find BNIB ones for sale on HT.
4)Eagle ls Rods HT, but a good set of LS rods will hold up just find.
5) Stock ls crank or should i get the eagle one? K.I.S.S. Use the LS one.
6)eagle ls/vtec kit Check HT, but Ebay is more likely.
7)Eagle ls/vtec head gasket Check HT, but Ebay is more likely
8)Type-r oil pump You can use GSR, or ITR. Just has to be VTEC. Get a NEW one. Direct from Honda, or sometimes Napa (look for stamped logos). Check HT, first.
9)Type-r water pump Same answer as above as far as where to get. But you can also use an Si.
10)B16 cable trans.....for now:ninja:(Gsr later)
11)Type-r valvetrain Save time and money. Do it once, do it right.
12)B16 flywheel lightened by 3lbs to 15lbs(type-r weight) It's easier/better to just buy an aftermarket one that's new or fairly new. Resurface it if it needs it
13) What clutch do you recommend for All moter ls/vtec?
14)Arp head studs You can get these used, and sometimes it's better to. That way, any stretching has already been done. Check HT.
15)Arp rod bolts Same as above. Consider a used set. Check HT.
16)ITR cams/maybe which are good aftermarket 4 all mota
17)harnass? ECU Harness; Boomslang. Motor...I can't recall which you're supposed to use. Check into Hasport.com
18)ecu? Again, check HT, and again, I think it's P72...
19)hytech headers. Check password, as well. Mugen is pretty good. Just don't go egay or DC Sports. Keep in mind the clearance of the front crossmember, under the oil pan, your O2 sensor port location/clearance, and under-car clearance.
Add more to what you think this setup needs... i know it sucks:D

[Papa_Smurf]

hey sakasaku, if you are looking to get rid of ur b16 tranny, the hit me up...

[00CelicaGT]

ALC rod & main bearings
new thrust washers (use OEM)
new valve seals (use OEM)
good after market cams are skunk2 pro 1's
ferra valve guides (installed by machine shop)

im probably forgetting some stuff, but ill up date as i remember:goodjob:

as far as head studs go! use head studs to match the head u buy!


my mistake on this part. here is the correct answer for ur head studs, i had to do a little research.

The ones you need for this hybrid setup are the GSR/ITR studs/bolts. Do NOT use the B16or B18a/b studs. They are the incorrect length.

[sakasaku]

hey sakasaku, if you are looking to get rid of ur b16 tranny, the hit me up...
only got a couple thousand miles since last rebuild to.....dont drool:D
i think about it and hit u up

[sakasaku]

Hope this helps. Double check on your ECU/motor codes. I can't remember. I remember Pr4 is LS, though...

Oh, yeah, and use BNIB ACL or OEM bearings ALL AROUND. Make sure you remember the color codes from the bearings you removed. If you can't, toss them, and get ACLs. Either one is just as good of quality as the other.

Originally Posted by sakasaku
Okay as almost the whole ef squad knows i am going to throw a d series in the hatch so i have a driving vehicle and i am going to build my ls/vtec on the side now, and i hhave some questions a a list that i took the time to do i hope its right:D


Ls/Vtec

1)Which head studs do i use? the one for the head i have? ARP studs for the head. ARP rod bolts for...the rod bolts.

2)What Ecu? I think either the GSR or Si (P72?) OBD1. DO THE OBD1 SWITCH! It'll be chipped.

3)Which harnass? If you wanna spend bank, get the hasport OBD0-1 harness. If you wanna get a little crafty and save some money get the Boomslang harness. For your motor, I don't recall which harness you're supposed to use.

Ls/vtec list

1)Gsr or B16 head IA or HT. Check with some local shops, too, as they may have it laying around.
2)B18b1 block(have it)
3)B16 pistons IA/HT. Use ONLY OEM honda pistons. Don't try to save money by buying some afternarket ones. You can sometimes find BNIB ones for sale on HT.
4)Eagle ls Rods HT, but a good set of LS rods will hold up just find.
5) Stock ls crank or should i get the eagle one? K.I.S.S. Use the LS one.
6)eagle ls/vtec kit Check HT, but Ebay is more likely.
7)Eagle ls/vtec head gasket Check HT, but Ebay is more likely
8)Type-r oil pump You can use GSR, or ITR. Just has to be VTEC. Get a NEW one. Direct from Honda, or sometimes Napa (look for stamped logos). Check HT, first.
9)Type-r water pump Same answer as above as far as where to get. But you can also use an Si.
10)B16 cable trans.....for now:ninja:(Gsr later)
11)Type-r valvetrain Save time and money. Do it once, do it right.
12)B16 flywheel lightened by 3lbs to 15lbs(type-r weight) It's easier/better to just buy an aftermarket one that's new or fairly new. Resurface it if it needs it
13) What clutch do you recommend for All moter ls/vtec?
14)Arp head studs You can get these used, and sometimes it's better to. That way, any stretching has already been done. Check HT.
15)Arp rod bolts Same as above. Consider a used set. Check HT.
16)ITR cams/maybe which are good aftermarket 4 all mota
17)harnass? ECU Harness; Boomslang. Motor...I can't recall which you're supposed to use. Check into Hasport.com
18)ecu? Again, check HT, and again, I think it's P72...
19)hytech headers. Check password, as well. Mugen is pretty good. Just don't go egay or DC Sports. Keep in mind the clearance of the front crossmember, under the oil pan, your O2 sensor port location/clearance, and under-car clearance.
Add more to what you think this setup needs... i know it sucks:D





thanx ben it is p72 for gsr, i hear that type-r and gsr part are pretty much the same?
and almost everything or maybe everything is going to be new!

i a mabout to get my raise from my promoyion so i be make a little more cheese(Qoute from dare) and do this right:yes:

[Papa_Smurf]

only got a couple thousand miles since last rebuild to.....dont drool:D
i think about it and hit u up

o0o0o0o, gimmie gimmie gimmie! :D

[sakasaku]

ummm alan ...... i am seriously considering this deal... you might be in luck... im sad but i may let it go:(

[bigdare23]

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1676914

This is the only set of information you need.

[00CelicaGT]

thats the same motherfucking shit i posted dare, just from the original site the guy posted it on.

[bigdare23]

thats the same motherfucking shit i posted dare, just from the original site the guy posted it on.


I dont think he got the point the 1st time LOL

[EvasiveEF9]

I think I'm gonna rep 00celica, dare...just cuz that way he'll feel better about posting it first. Besides, you're not allowed to have any more boxes...

Reps = life
You know that!

Saka...not EVERYTHING HAS to be new. It's advised, but there are some corners you can safely cut.

[00CelicaGT]

I think I'm gonna rep 00celica, dare...just cuz that way he'll feel better about posting it first. Besides, you're not allowed to have any more boxes...

Reps = life
You know that!

Saka...not EVERYTHING HAS to be new. It's advised, but there are some corners
you can safely cut.

no reps= IA penis size... and im trailing:lmfao:

look @ it this way saka, u can build it right the first time or.... u can build it half ass and then build it again when u blow it up.

u have the D series in the hatch now, which is good cuz ur not without a car anymore... now u can take your time and build it right. i have been planning, researching my build since march. i have been collecting parts since day 1 and now i am almost done. these things take time... unless ur balling!

ben is right not everything has to be new, this build is not going to be cheap. so cut cost when u can, i can get parts @ cost thats why i chose to replace old parts with new ones. i also if im going to build something im going to do it right and not half ass it!

[sakasaku]

as ben told me the day i bought the hatch from him, "Do it once, Do it Right" I plan to stick to it!

[SlamminCRX]

the threades they posted for you on there are the ones i went along with when i built my ls vtec...great thread

get the golden eagle ls vtec kit.

i have a b16 ecu in mine (pr3) but a chipped ecu would work best...i would convert to obd1 as well if you already havent...lots of companies make jumper harnesses...phearable is a good place to get an ecu from, just call them and tell them wat you got and they will send you an ecu with no problems


if i was you i will go ahead and build the bottom end, get eagle rods...get the ones that already come with the arp rod bolts so you dont have to get shotpeen them

i would run a stock ls crank...if your going all motor then get some high compression pistons...i dont think you can run b16 pistons on a 1.8 block.

with that you can rev your motor all day no problem...unlike me i got stock rods and pistons with arp rod bolts, acl bearings and thrust washers...stock b16 ecu, im preety scared to revv past 7500 seeing as how ls redline is like 6500 lol

[southside]

the threades they posted for you on there are the ones i went along with when i built my ls vtec...great thread

get the golden eagle ls vtec kit.

i have a b16 ecu in mine (pr3) but a chipped ecu would work best...i would convert to obd1 as well if you already havent...lots of companies make jumper harnesses...phearable is a good place to get an ecu from, just call them and tell them wat you got and they will send you an ecu with no problems


if i was you i will go ahead and build the bottom end, get eagle rods...get the ones that already come with the arp rod bolts so you dont have to get shotpeen them

i would run a stock ls crank...if your going all motor then get some high compression pistons...i dont think you can run b16 pistons on a 1.8 block.

with that you can rev your motor all day no problem...unlike me i got stock rods and pistons with arp rod bolts, acl bearings and thrust washers...stock b16 ecu, im preety scared to revv past 7500 seeing as how ls redline is like 6500 lolSeems like you are lacking Honda knowledge buddy,Chipped ecu is good and all but tuned is the best way to go.Paying 140$ for a chipped ecu instead of spending another 140$ and getting your car tuned to run safely.Its up to you to protect your investment.Also you can run b16 pistons in a ls block. Unless you go to oversized then you will have to get oversized b16 pistons..25,.50 over from stock bore which is 81mm.Eagle rods are a good way to reliability.But if your el cheapo then arp rod bolts would help you rev safely.The weak part of ls motors is the rod bolts not the rods.Stock ls rods will rev safely to 8k max.Any higher and boom only reason it seems weird is because you dont trust Ls bottom ends due to the fact of people building them wrong and them blowing.Then they blame honda saying they have weak product.When really dumb dumbs try to rev stock ls to 9k 24/7

[00CelicaGT]

i forgot... if ur going N/A i would use a GSR head due to the smaller combustion chambers, which will give u higher compression.

PTY REX wat head r u using? i have a GSR w/ brand new Type R valve train, and all new seals

[SlamminCRX]

Seems like you are lacking Honda knowledge buddy,Chipped ecu is good and all but tuned is the best way to go.Paying 140$ for a chipped ecu instead of spending another 140$ and getting your car tuned to run safely.Its up to you to protect your investment.Also you can run b16 pistons in a ls block. Unless you go to oversized then you will have to get oversized b16 pistons..25,.50 over from stock bore which is 81mm.Eagle rods are a good way to reliability.But if your el cheapo then arp rod bolts would help you rev safely.The weak part of ls motors is the rod bolts not the rods.Stock ls rods will rev safely to 8k max.Any higher and boom only reason it seems weird is because you dont trust Ls bottom ends due to the fact of people building them wrong and them blowing.Then they blame honda saying they have weak product.When really dumb dumbs try to rev stock ls to 9k 24/7

lol dude, who gives a fuk about who knows more about honda knowledge, if your on a budget and have a stock ls vtec then you would go with a chipped ecu... i can see if you were boosting then get like hondata or some type of engine managment...but thats money, plus 140 would just be for some dyno tuning, you still need some kinda shit hooked up that you can tune...you really dont need all that for an ls/vtec to be realiabe...i said in my post that phearable makes very good ecu's...they are safe to run. on the other hand i agree with you about the rod bolts...i have stock ls rods on mine with arp rod bolts and i rev to 8k...dont do it normally but its been done.


00celica

i have a stock b16 head...i want some cams tho!...maybe some stage 2 bc cams.

[jfrolang]

A chipped ECU is nothing without tuning. Do you want your car to run ok, or do you want it to run great? Tuning is mandatory!

[southside]

A chipped ECU is nothing without tuning. Do you want your car to run ok, or do you want it to run great? Tuning is mandatory!I see somone knows where the light is Thank Jfro:goodjob:

[SlamminCRX]

lmao...so if you got a stock ass motor you think tuning is mandatory? wat is there to tune?

i will say it again, phearable makes good ecu's, they just dont take your ecu and chip it, they send you a brand new ecu made for your setup in your car.


i agree with both of you that tuning is necesary but for a stock ls/vtec it really isnt...i can see if you running an all motor set up and you got cams and all that then yes tuning is mandatory

[bigdare23]

lmao...so if you got a stock ass motor you think tuning is mandatory? wat is there to tune?

i will say it again, phearable makes good ecu's, they just dont take your ecu and chip it, they send you a brand new ecu made for your setup in your car.


i agree with both of you that tuning is necesary but for a stock ls/vtec it really isnt...i can see if you running an all motor set up and you got cams and all that then yes tuning is mandatory



Gotta realize a hybrid motor is not a stock motor. Honda didn't make an ECU for a LS/Vtec or B20/Vtec...

[southside]

lmao...so if you got a stock ass motor you think tuning is mandatory? wat is there to tune?

i will say it again, phearable makes good ecu's, they just dont take your ecu and chip it, they send you a brand new ecu made for your setup in your car.


i agree with both of you that tuning is necesary but for a stock ls/vtec it really isnt...i can see if you running an all motor set up and you got cams and all that then yes tuning is mandatoryactually when your car comes from the factory it is tuned already.:lmfao: Just stop talking your sound dumb tuning is necessary for every car.When you do modifications ....:thinking: So what you talking about if you think it doesnt matter.Take the same setup and find somone that got theres tuned.You will be able to tell a difference in numbers...

[southside]

Also chipping a ecu makes your car run better but not as great as it would tuned....

[The BUCKY]

shameless plug but i have a GE ls/v kit for sale

[SlamminCRX]

did i mention honda making ecu's for ls/v b20/v?

if you got a stock ls/vtec i beleive it is safe to run a chipped ecu...if you are on a budget it will save you a couple of dollars to run a chipped ecu instead of getting a bunch of shit to get tuned.

thats all i was trying to say. i wanst trying to say that tuning is useless...if you go back and read the post i never said anythign bad about tuning.

[Grimm Reeper]

actually when your car comes from the factory it is tuned already.:lmfao: Just stop talking your sound dumb tuning is necessary for every car.When you do modifications ....:thinking: So what you talking about if you think it doesnt matter.Take the same setup and find somone that got theres tuned.You will be able to tell a difference in numbers...

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee223/JDM_EK4/worffrustration.gif

lol

[jfrolang]

i agree with both of you that tuning is necessary but for a stock ls/vtec it really isnt...
You're missing the point. An LS/VTEC isn't stock.

[sakasaku]

actually when your car comes from the factory it is tuned already.:lmfao: Just stop talking your sound dumb tuning is necessary for every car.When you do modifications ....:thinking: So what you talking about if you think it doesnt matter.Take the same setup and find somone that got theres tuned.You will be able to tell a difference in numbers...

yeah they came tuned from the factory 16 to 20 years ago noob. Plus when you build a motor like i want to build you should tune it, to make it run the right, like jfro said "Its not a stock motor" and I you need to think before you type.:doh:

[KevinT707]

Get it tuned. End of the thread ..

[sakasaku]

lol no i am not ending this thread its just southside typing before he thinks....

[southside]

lol no i am not ending this thread its just southside typing before he thinks....I see you ask alot of questions which mean you know nothing.So shut your fat a.ss up and listen.Seeing that Honda Researched the engine setup that they built.And created a basemap for your car:thinking: .Hmm Smart guy...You talk more than you know:lmfao:

[sakasaku]

I see you ask alot of questions which mean you know nothing.So shut your fat a.ss up and listen.Seeing that Honda Researched the engine setup that they built.And created a basemap for your car:thinking: .Hmm Smart guy...You talk more than you know:lmfao:



i admited when i bought my first civic that i knew nothing about these cars what so ever, i have learned so much since then, And if it wasn't for EvasiveEF9, Bigdare23,JDMJAY.Jfro,00celica,90_zc_hatch, and numerous others i wouldn,t know half the shit i know now and if you want to tell me i m a noob then do it. if it makes you feel better about your self then fine i am hear to learn and have fun not to deal with your FUCKING BULLSHIT

You always talk big about your shit that's not even done.

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: dude stop being a bit.ch and do a dig since your so fast.And if you beat me ill just get my friend to bring his stock b16 back out for you:chuckles:

Prove

Please stop homie!

This was what I'm talking about. Get your car DONE, then start making callouts. **** talking is worthless if you dont have anything to drive! Also, get off your homie's nuts. Those tactics are very childlish! Get you car finished FIRST, then run your mouth after your car is PROVEN. When you start draggin people by car lengths run your month how much you want, but until then, you're keep quiet and stop diss'n people.

Don't take this the wrong way, cuz you're cool lil homie, but you talk alot!

Boy you are like a younger version of TANK :lmfao:


i Dont pull that bullshit cause if idk what im talking about i try to keep my mouth shut and ask for help. i ask for help so i can learn which is another reason of why this forum is here for.
/rant :rant:

[SlamminCRX]

You're missing the point. An LS/VTEC isn't stock.


no no, i get the point, wat i meant by stock ls/vtec was like stock internals and such in the bottom end.

[jfrolang]

No, you're still missing it. It doesn't matter that you're using all stock parts, you're not using a stock configuration.

[SlamminCRX]

No, you're still missing it. It doesn't matter that you're using all stock parts, you're not using a stock configuration.

i understand that too, honda did not make an ls/vtec or b20/vtec for a reason, so if your running that setup then its not stock...right?

wat i meant by stock ls vtec was stock block and head...i know its not stock but you have everything stock for it so you can say is just a stock ls vtec...i mean everyone should know that an ls/vtec didnt come from factory, if you dont then your stupid...so dont think i dont know wat an ls/vtec is...i built one lol.

[jfrolang]

Ugh.. I'm not arguing over that. I'm saying that you NEED tuning. End of story.

[SlamminCRX]

i agree.

[EvasiveEF9]

No, you're still missing it. It doesn't matter that you're using all stock parts, you're not using a stock configuration.

Gotta realize a hybrid motor is not a stock motor. Honda didn't make an ECU for a LS/Vtec or B20/Vtec...
Quoted for smarts.

i admited when i bought my first civic that i knew nothing about these cars what so ever, i have learned so much since then, And if it wasn't for Bigdare23,JDMJAY.Jfro,00celica,90_zc_hatch,[/B] and numerous others i wouldn,t know half the shit i know now and if you want to tell me i m a noob then do it. if it makes you feel better about your self then fine i am hear to learn and have fun not to deal with your FUCKING BULLSHIT

ARE YOU FRIGGIN' KIDDIN' ME!?!?

[southside]

i admited when i bought my first civic that i knew nothing about these cars what so ever, i have learned so much since then, And if it wasn't for Bigdare23,JDMJAY.Jfro,00celica,90_zc_hatch, and numerous others i wouldn,t know half the shit i know now and if you want to tell me i m a noob then do it. if it makes you feel better about your self then fine i am hear to learn and have fun not to deal with your FUCKING BULLSHIT

You always talk big about your shit that's not even done.


Prove


i Dont pull that bullshit cause if idk what im talking about i try to keep my mouth shut and ask for help. i ask for help so i can learn which is another reason of why this forum is here for.
/rant :rant::lmfao: Once again you talk more than you know....Hmm if im not done would you like to setup a race this weekend...Other than that stay on here and STFU....When have I talked once about what I have :no: other than to Dare,and Jermaine because they dislike my setup other than that Never So once again just sit back and STFU PS.Remember U tried to call me out and you aint know what you were talking about..So stop trying to get smart and just listen sometimes and you will get further than you are now:goodjob:

[sakasaku]

Quoted for smarts.

ARE YOU FRIGGIN' KIDDIN' ME!?!?



SRY!:eek: i cant beleive i forgot my homeskillet bisqiut

Ben AKA EvasiveEF9 <3(no homo) sry

[Grimm Reeper]

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee223/JDM_EK4/niggawhat.gif

[sakasaku]

SO anyways back on topic... i am wantin to build this motor balls to the walls crazy, like barley streetable, cause when i finish this i have a new job and where i make more than 7.28 an hour(soon to bee 8.00)!
i can just by a beater and have this as a weekend car !

this is one additon id like to do!

http://www.obxracingsports.com/products.php?pk=1456#

[00CelicaGT]

not a bad idea, but i would look into there shit, see wat other people think also people who have bought the product aswell. obx is known for knock off items, so buyer beware.

[southside]

I have heard alot of bad things about obx,So I would check around I havent seen anyone with that setup yet...though

[sakasaku]

i have been researching HT:ninja:

[sakasaku]

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee223/JDM_EK4/niggawhat.gif


lol tony

[SlamminCRX]

haha, kind of subject but i got an obx manifold for free,put it on my eg, turbonetics t3 turbo, worked great, changed the turbo to a Precision SC61 on 10 pounds and it blew the welds of the manifold the first time i got on it

LOL, that kinda explains how good obx is. it was free tho so yea :)

[bigdare23]

FUCK OBX!!!

[EvasiveEF9]

Thank you, peanut gallery...

[sakasaku]

i was just stating i wanted ITBs thats the only company i know of that makes them
if you know any can i have a link to them pls?

[Grimm Reeper]

i was just stating i wanted ITBs thats the only company i know of that makes them
if you know any can i have a link to them pls?

ITB's :eek: seriously


Well if you have the money for all that and then the tuning, there's no half assing around on that. :2cents:

[southside]

Yea I heard tuning ITB's is no joke and is expensive...

[sakasaku]

There not a definate yet just a thought

[Grimm Reeper]

There not a definate yet just a thought

A thought huh :thinking: There's nothing wrong with being optimistic, it's if it's within your reach homie. Don't go broke building a Honda :2cents: You'll possibly regret it down the road when you think of what else of a higher priority that you could of had. Some more of my :2cents:

[EvasiveEF9]

A thought huh :thinking: There's nothing wrong with being optimistic, it's if it's within your reach homie. Don't go broke building a Honda :2cents: You'll possibly regret it down the road when you think of what else of a higher priority that you could of had. Some more of my :2cents:
My car would be paid off, or my monthly payments would at LEAST be cut in half...

[slow_hatch]

Scrap all of this if you are wanting to go big.

Your current build < K20

[sakasaku]

Scrap all of this if you are wanting to go big.

Your current build < K20


i am going to build the b series

so any ways ummm......

[southside]

I say you build Poor Man Type-R haha my friend has one and he walks on Ks and H22 hatches....

[colelsvtec]

i have 96 ls itr i plan on slowly building an ls v-tec i just here so much different shit from all my buddies trying to tell me the right way to build it any suggestions and a part list with est. cost

[00CelicaGT]

check the link i posted on page 1, post #5

[sakasaku]

ant, your sig is disgusting,:sicks:

[00CelicaGT]

lol thanx thats wat i was going for.

[sakasaku]

Okay so i Hear that CTR is an aggressive intake cam so whats an aggressive Exhaust cam?

Ant were did you go to have your Oil alley plugged or Welded shut?

and i am thinking...

B16b

OR

B18c5

with CTR intake came
_______exhaust cam
ITR valve train
CTR pistons on LS rods
LS crank
ARP main rod bolts
ARP head studs
B16 Flywheel ( lighted to 15lbs) ITR weight
B16 trans (what i got now)

This is just what i've been thinking about tell me what you think or what would make my setup better?

[jfrolang]

The best OEM exhaust cam is a B17, CTR gets a close second. Unless you're hard up for cash though, or just want to build an all-OEM engine, you should really get some aftermarket cams. Skunk2 Pro-series FTW.

[sakasaku]

The best OEM exhaust cam is a B17, CTR gets a close second. Unless you're hard up for cash though, or just want to build an all-OEM engine, you should really get some aftermarket cams. Skunk2 Pro-series FTW.

I would like to go after aftermarket but i want to see how much power i can make from OEM parts, i will probably upgrade later but for now its OEM.



B16b head
with CTR intake came
B17 exhaust cam
ITR valve train
CTR pistons on LS rods
LS crank
ARP main rod bolts
ARP head studs
B16 Flywheel ( lighted to 15lbs) ITR weight
B16 trans (what i got now)





For this with a B16b head what ECU should i use?

[southside]

I would like to go after aftermarket but i want to see how much power i can make from OEM parts, i will probably upgrade later but for now its OEM.




For this with a B16b head what ECU should i use?p28

[sakasaku]

Civic Type R ECU? i don't think that's right:no:

[00CelicaGT]

u can run a P28 u just have to get it chipped and tuned. u can also use a P72 aswell.

i have a P28 that im going to have it chipped with Hondata S300.

i would suggest u use ITR pistons, if u use CTR u are going to have to clay the motor to check for valve to piston clearence. with the ITR pistion u will be somewhere around 12-12.5:1, which is plenty. if u use the CTR u will have really high compression (almost 13+:1) which will not live off of pump gas, and will cost an arm and a leg to tune the engine properly so that u wont have any detenation.

but it might work in ur favor since ur using a B16 head which has larger combustion chanbers compared to the GSR and might bring down the compression some. but u would still have to clay the motor which is a very hard process which alot of people dont know how to do properly.

i also suggest that u add ACL main and rod bearings and the Golden Eagle LS/VTEC kit with the their head gasket.

also why dony u just buy a ITR flywheel instead if getting the B16 machined

[jfrolang]

I would suggest measuring and ordering the appropriate sized Honda bearings, instead of ACL. ACL bearings are fine for a stock rebuild, but I wouldn't use them for a high-revving custom build.

Also, get an aftermarket flywheel, unless of course you're still stuck on OEM parts.

[00CelicaGT]

why not use ACL race bearings? they're designed for high rev's and last longer aslong as they're lubericated properly.

[sakasaku]

I would suggest measuring and ordering the appropriate sized Honda bearings, instead of ACL. ACL bearings are fine for a stock rebuild, but I wouldn't use them for a high-revving custom build.

Also, get an aftermarket flywheel, unless of course you're still stuck on OEM parts.

on that flywheel i am considering that.... it all depends on wear i am with money then, but if i am short on money i know a guy that will resurface for 25 and lighten for a few extra bucks!

ACL research now:ninja:

[southside]

why not use ACL race bearings? they're designed for high rev's and last longer aslong as they're lubericated properly.I havent seen anyone complain about acl race bearings.But Oem is nice if you have the cash.

[00CelicaGT]

on that flywheel i am considering that.... it all depends on wear i am with money then, but if i am short on money i know a guy that will resurface for 25 and lighten for a few extra bucks!

ACL research now:ninja:

:thinking: i though u were going to take ur time and do it right the first time. money should not be an issue if ur taking ur time to do it right, cuz when i dont have the funds to get wat i want im not going to settle for something less to save some pennies.:goodjob:

[bigdare23]

why not use ACL race bearings? they're designed for high rev's and last longer aslong as they're lubericated properly.


If I'm not mistaking, ACL race bearings don't last longer, but they do allow higher revvs due to a lower frictions.

[southside]

If I'm not mistaking, ACL race bearings don't last longer, but they do allow higher revvs due to a lower frictions.How much are Oem bearings?Compared to Acl

[bigdare23]

How much are Oem bearings?Compared to Acl

Honestly, I never priced OEM bearings.


Check out this site to see if you can find them.


http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/

since this would be the cheapest place.

[southside]

Didnt see them on there.....just have assembled blocks and heads

[jfrolang]

I'd still take properly-sized OEM bearings over ACL "Race." I'd also argue that perfect clearances are more important at high RPM than the bearing material. The crank and rod journals should be riding on a thin film of oil after all.

[00CelicaGT]

well if u decide to use OEM or ACL u still need to add the bearings to ur list.

the best thingto do is... first do all ur research on the different types of setup's the make a list off all the parts u want to run for that setup. after the list is complete then u can begin to bu parts. but do ur research otherwise u will end up buying usless parts. (i.e. using a B16 flywheel and machining it to 15lbs)

also start to price out the work u will need to have a michine shop do, be perpared cuz they're not cheap.

[southside]

Do you plan on getting the block decked and hot tanked?

[00CelicaGT]

i would hope so... it would be stupid if he didnt. he needs to get the head shaved as well, there is no point in putting them together if u dont. thats the quickest was to blow a head gasket!!!

[jfrolang]

You don't hot tank an aluminum block. If you're having the block milled or machined at all, the machine shop will handle the necessary cleaning with an aluminum-safe method.

[southside]

You don't hot tank an aluminum block. If you're having the block milled or machined at all, the machine shop will handle the necessary cleaning with an aluminum-safe method.Thats what the machine shop recommended to me once I took them the block.The guy said would you like me to hot tank it too.:thinking:

[jfrolang]

Well there are alternatives, acid bath solutions are available that are safe to aluminum for example. A traditional "hot tanking" though, is corrosive to aluminum and may even warp it.

[southside]

Well there are alternatives, acid bath solutions are available that are safe to aluminum for example. A traditional "hot tanking" though, is corrosive to aluminum and may even warp it.Thats good to know now lol wish I knew that before.

[BABY J]

^^

I doubt that the shop you took it to is substandard --- that is just the standard term for cleaning and prepping/degreasing the block - no matter how it is done.

[JDMJAYDC2]

^ like he actually knows about building motors sheesh

[Grimm Reeper]

Thats what the machine shop recommended to me once I took them the block.The guy said would you like me to hot tank it too.:thinking:

What shop?

[southside]

What shop?precision machine shop on the end of hwy 85

[00CelicaGT]

ive heard they suck ball's

scotts machine shop FTW

[sakasaku]

location ?
Fone numba?
website?

[sakasaku]

i planned to have it honed, resurfaced, acid dipped... ect ect

[BABY J]

location ?
Fone numba?
website?

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67791

[southside]

ive heard they suck ball's

scotts machine shop FTWI guess it just depends on the application because alot of people have said scotts machine shop cant build and dont know their shit.But I have not had any problems with them.But alot of Ford guys do I guess they didnt realize when they pulled up all the employees cars were CHEVYS:lmfao:

[BABY J]

* sigh *

There is a difference between:

1) a machinist (machine shop)

2) mechanic

3) engine builder

Guys PLEASE learn the difference. Just b/c a guy can mill a head w/ his eyes closed doesn't mean he can spec out your build or assemble a proper bottom end. Just b/c a guy can change your alternator doesn't mean he can install pistons and rings.

[southside]

* sigh *

There is a difference between:

1) a machinist (machine shop)

2) mechanic

3) engine builder

Guys PLEASE learn the difference. Just b/c a guy can mill a head w/ his eyes closed doesn't mean he can spec out your build or assemble a proper bottom end. Just b/c a guy can change your alternator doesn't mean he can install pistons and rings.True but I have noticed alot of people have had motors assembled at machine shops and had zero problems,

[Grimm Reeper]

ive heard they suck ball's

scotts machine shop FTW

x2


Praise White Jesus :bump:

[JDMJAYDC2]

* sigh *

There is a difference between:

1) baby J on importatlanta

2) baby J in real life

3) baby J the car owner

Guys PLEASE learn the difference. Just b/c a guy owns a lot of HONDAS doesn't mean he can spec out your build or assemble a proper bottom end. Just b/c a guy I refuse to change my alternator I'd rather just pay someone to do it doesn't mean he can install pistons and rings. i am da boss and i have spoken you may all now bow down to my greatness as i post and follow my lead. Stop pissin in the wind and PAY somebody to do it for you....errrr i mean build it yourself



:D FIXED

[sakasaku]

True but I have noticed alot of people have had motors assembled at machine shops and had zero problems,

lies everybody's human we all make mistakes

[00CelicaGT]

* sigh *

There is a difference between:

1) a machinist (machine shop)

2) mechanic

3) engine builder

Guys PLEASE learn the difference. Just b/c a guy can mill a head w/ his eyes closed doesn't mean he can spec out your build or assemble a proper bottom end. Just b/c a guy can change your alternator doesn't mean he can install pistons and rings.

^^thats very true. BUT....

i was talking about there machine work though. i know that scott's does great machine work since my job deals with them on a regular basis,and i know alot of people who have had they're machine work done there. plus they did a grea job on the machine work and cleaning or my motor, I dont let anyone assemble my motors, i'd rather do it myself.

asfar as there building skills go i cant comment since i assembled my own motor, i havent heard anything bad or good so got me there.

now precision ive heard some pretty bad things about there shop. i had a friend that used to work there and he said they half assed everything they touched, they're customer service sucks, and nothing is ever completed on time. i went up there one day to go to lunch wit my friend and walked inside and the phones were ringing off the hook and everyone was just standing around talking.:no:

[BABY J]

I know Damon used to work there... as well as Roger... and I know a few good/bad/ugly things about Precision. The simple fact about them is that they are just NOT versed in import stuff. That's the case w/ a lot of machine shops actually. Sure --- they've done a few blocks out of neccessity but it's not exactly what they specialize in. After Damon quit working there I have NO reason to go there again bc most of the guys that were there were domestic-centric types of guys. I knew as long as he was there then there would be some1 there w/ a clue. Speaking of Damon/Roger --- ask Damon how the LS wagovan drug a b20 hatch w/ Crower 403s down the road last weekend - LOL.

[southside]

I know Damon used to work there... as well as Roger... and I know a few good/bad/ugly things about Precision. The simple fact about them is that they are just NOT versed in import stuff. That's the case w/ a lot of machine shops actually. Sure --- they've done a few blocks out of neccessity but it's not exactly what they specialize in. After Damon quit working there I have NO reason to go there again bc most of the guys that were there were domestic-centric types of guys. I knew as long as he was there then there would be some1 there w/ a clue. Speaking of Damon/Roger --- ask Damon how the LS wagovan drug a b20 hatch w/ Crower 403s down the road last weekend - LOL.was the wagovan spraying?:thinking:

[BABY J]

I didn't spray. I unhooked the bottle in front of every1 in the Taco Bell parking lot (I don't run people dirty). I got him by circa 3 cars the 1st run from 40mph. 1 car the 2nd run from 40 (I accidentally bounced off the limiter and gave him some ground). 1st run from dig I missed second but had him cracked through 1st gear. 2nd run from dig a little over a car.:goodjob:

[JDMJAYDC2]

no he wasnt spraying he just has a really really strong ls motor i would love to see him and evasive's old hatch run as his ls was strong as well

[southside]

no he wasnt spraying he just has a really really strong ls motor i would love to see him and evasive's old hatch run as his ls was strong as wellstock ls :thinking: in a wagovan walking on a b20 hatch?Sounds like somone could drive while the other couldnt.

[sakasaku]

stock ls :thinking: in a wagovan walking on a b20 hatch?Sounds like somone could drive while the other couldnt.


:headslap:

[BABY J]

Baby J can drive. Not to mention the Super El Ess is on the prowl.

[Revmaynard]

A wagon doesn't weigh as much as people think. 2349 with ac. No driver. So a driver mod can severely make up for that.

[southside]

A wagon doesn't weigh as much as people think. 2349 with ac. No driver. So a driver mod can severely make up for that.Yea, I thought they weighed alot until I looked it up and they were like 2350lbs.But a b20 hatch wit 403s?Damn I would like to see video of that:lmfao:

[BABY J]

Damon was there --- I think he is hondachick on here, or hondachick22 --- I forget which one. :)

[southside]

pics of wagovan would be nice

[JDMJAYDC2]

search his posts they are posted

[southside]

search his posts they are postedDidnt find them,he makes alot of post and im too lazy to look through

[allmotorX]

single cam ftw!!! Im out

[southside]

^^^GTFO

[BABY J]

LOL

[allmotorX]

^^^GTFOok:taun:

[southside]

LOLWHere can I find pics of that wagovan of yours at?:D

[BABY J]

It's regular EF blue w/ stock height and stock wheels. Nothing spectacular to look at.

[southside]

It's regular EF blue w/ stock height and stock wheels. Nothing spectacular to look at.oh so nothing noticeable...

[BABY J]

Naah. I am from the SSIDE --- lived in Riverdale, Griffin, etc. I know better than to have flashy cars... there are a few crews that don't like to build shit the legit way --- I'm 30, so I'm more incognito these days - lol.

[southside]

Naah. I am from the SSIDE --- lived in Riverdale, Griffin, etc. I know better than to have flashy cars... there are a few crews that don't like to build shit the legit way --- I'm 30, so I'm more incognito these days - lol.LOL yea thats the reason why I cleaned my garage out so I can sleep a whole lot better.But are you still local or no I seen you around one time in the 79 you got but that was months ago.I saw u riding on 85 with JDMGAY.:lmfao:

[BABY J]

Yeah --- I think the writing is on the wall for me to get rid of a few of the cars as well. LMAO!!! Yeah I was driving the 77 pretty regularly, but now it just sits like a lot of my junk - lol. I'm gonna get a conversion van and call it a day - :)

[Revmaynard]

It's regular EF blue w/ stock height and stock wheels. Nothing spectacular to look at.

They should call you BabyBlueJ.

[bigdare23]

LOL

[southside]

Yeah --- I think the writing is on the wall for me to get rid of a few of the cars as well. LMAO!!! Yeah I was driving the 77 pretty regularly, but now it just sits like a lot of my junk - lol. I'm gonna get a conversion van and call it a day - :)Im trying to get me a wago but they are pretty hard to come by now days...

[00CelicaGT]

Im trying to get me a wago but they are pretty hard to come by now days...

giving up on the hatch i guess.

[BABY J]

Wagos are not hard to come by -- but they are a test of patience. Took my 6 years to get a 510 coupe, 4 to get a 1st gen civic --- and 2 to get the right Wago. Just be patient and be ready to buy.

[southside]

giving up on the hatch i guess.Yea might be trying something new soon.

[sakasaku]

Yea might be trying something new soon.

thank god





jk:ninja: lol

[sakasaku]

i d decided i would start pricing stuff last night.
okay i found these Pretty cheap

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc2000search.cgi?what=page&item=10016

and what do u think of a EK9 crank pulley ant? or what would be the best OEM or AM one?
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc2000search.cgi?what=page&item=10014

and for this i am gunna keep looking....
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc2000search.cgi?what=page&item=10001

[bigdare23]

Yea might be trying something new soon.


got $850?


Scotsman is willing to sell his.

[00CelicaGT]

i d decided i would start pricing stuff last night.
okay i found these Pretty cheap

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc2000search.cgi?what=page&item=10016

and what do u think of a EK9 crank pulley ant? or what would be the best OEM or AM one?
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc2000search.cgi?what=page&item=10014

and for this i am gunna keep looking....
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc2000search.cgi?what=page&item=10001


*i would get the pistons from H-motors cuz out of all the places i looked, H-motors was the cheapest. i bought USDM ITR pistons cuz i get OEM parts soo cheap.:D

*personaly i think the crank pully is a waste and u gotta save $$ where u can, from wat i have read it doesn't do anything asfar as HP... it's just for looks, was going to run an AM pully, but after Dare's ordeal i changed my mind. i would run an OEM just incase u run into a situation like Dare's or any other problem instead of possibly be stuck on the side of the road and having to tow the car home.

*ctr cams are probably the best bang for ur buck if ur going wit OEM cams. :thinking: i believe the best cam setup for a B series is a CTR exhaust and a GSR(B17) intake cam, they are the most arrgessive cams of the B series motors.

Ryan ur going in the right direction now!!! just keep doing ur research and crunching number's while u save $. that way when ur done doing research u can start buying parts, then all the time and effort u have put in will start to pay off.:goodjob:

[Revmaynard]

got $850?


Scotsman is willing to sell his.


He better want to stay auto. Not like those manual trans are a dime a dozen like any other D series. LOL

[southside]

got $850?


Scotsman is willing to sell his.Yea I already talked to him he gave me a lower price than that....But only thing its automatic:(



He better want to stay auto. Not like those manual trans are a dime a dozen like any other D series. LOLAnd Rev If I got it sorry but I wouldnt be part of your Dseries wago click for long.I was trying to get my brother and cousins opinion and they was into it until they found out it was auto.Pretty much I'd be stripping the hatch of everything including brakes,motor,transmission,interior that I can spare,suspension.Its just alot of stuff to do with code inforcement on my ass already.

[jfrolang]

i believe the best cam setup for a B series is a CTR exhaust and a GSR(B17) intake cam
You have it backwards, CTR Intake and B17 exhaust is the best OEM combo. Unless you get a great deal though, I still recommend aftermarket cams.

[Revmaynard]

Why would you buy the 4wd then? You wouldn't be able to use it. Unless you're skilled enough to custom fab enough stuff to make it work with a b series. Only one person has mounts for them and they're one off prototypes from Hasport for the b series. Sorry, but I don't think you're that skilled if you can't even get a car with all the parts running. And what D series wagon click are you referring to? The EE Squad has multiple people with b swaps and I believe two H swaps. Dr. Charles had a K swap, even. My two wagons are d series, but only until I sell one of my four cars. :lmao::lmao:

[00CelicaGT]

You have it backwards, CTR Intake and B17 exhaust is the best OEM combo. Unless you get a great deal though, I still recommend aftermarket cams.

i thought i had it backwards but wasn't sure, thanx for the correction.

i think i may got that route since i cant find any ITR cams. i can get the CTR cam off H-motors and get the B17 from a friend that has a set laying around. then i could finish this damn motor.:bump:

[BABY J]

You have it backwards, CTR Intake and B17 exhaust is the best OEM combo. Unless you get a great deal though, I still recommend aftermarket cams.


DING DING DING!!! Idk how many times I tell these kids this.

[southside]

Why would you buy the 4wd then? You wouldn't be able to use it. Unless you're skilled enough to custom fab enough stuff to make it work with a b series. Only one person has mounts for them and they're one off prototypes from Hasport for the b series. Sorry, but I don't think you're that skilled if you can't even get a car with all the parts running. And what D series wagon click are you referring to? The EE Squad has multiple people with b swaps and I believe two H swaps. Dr. Charles had a K swap, even. My two wagons are d series, but only until I sell one of my four cars. :lmao::lmao:Oh no dont get it mixed it I wanted a FWD wago so I wouldnt have to deal with converting:blah: taking 4wd out and stuff.I didnt know the scotsman had the 4wd version.....If I got the wago I was going to throw the Bseries in for now and when I come back from Tenn. I was thinking about doing a K or H,in there but my friends keep telling me racing isnt as fun as it used to.So they kept telling me just get the Rsx,I was planning on buying in May.88-91 Wagovan Or A 03-06 Rsx:thinking: If I got the Rsx I would already have a K Lol no hassle with mounts and other stuff.And could still ride comfy with a/c blasting.So I really dont know I'll have to see how it goes by May.

[BABY J]

^^ You're forgetting the car payment thing. There is almost NO excuse to pay monthly for a high theft car.

[Grimm Reeper]

^^ You're forgetting the car payment thing. There is almost NO excuse to pay monthly for a high theft car.

Can't forget about the Full Coverage Insurance for the yungin's :D

[BABY J]

At the end of the day, it's a car --- gets you from point A to B --- and spends most of it's life outside. I'd rather buy a solid used car that I own outright and then hav emoney left over for crack and Steak N Shake.

[sakasaku]

At the end of the day, it's a car --- gets you from point A to B --- and spends most of it's life outside. I'd rather buy a solid used car that I own outright and then hav emoney left over for crack and Steak N Shake.


lol my two favorite things!

[sakasaku]

i thought i had it backwards but wasn't sure, thanx for the correction.

i think i may got that route since i cant find any ITR cams. i can get the CTR cam off H-motors and get the B17 from a friend that has a set laying around. then i could finish this damn motor.:bump:

no u damn copy cat!!!! lol jk
i want to see this motor in action when its done :ninja: i cant wait till i finish mine( course i have to start first :crazy: ) my brother in law order that tap to day through work so he gets it CHEAP :bump: (odd ball tap for d series on the crank where the flywheel bolts go 12x 100 i think)SOMEBODY cross threaded before i got it... not mad now tho it happens, it wasn't in i 100 piece matco tap and die set) i cant find any one with it its most likely special order tap.... once that comes in i will beable to drive it finally!

[southside]

Can't forget about the Full Coverage Insurance for the yungin's :D:lmfao: This isnt going in my name 45yo DAD FTW!:D and payments I wont have to worry about either....Dads going to pay that also,he didnt want me to get a ef in the first place kept trying to get me a 03 impala when they were new.Said he wanted somthing I would only have to put gas in ,and change the oil.:lmfao: Who knows I wanted to get something else but rsx was the only thing I could think of that was newer.That he would fall for eks,egs,and efs.I know he wont buy because he doesnt like spending his money on stuff thats not fairly new.But if he cuts the check for 8k Ill be going with the used car that if I wreck I dont give two shits about.And pocket the other 7k

[sakasaku]

:lmfao: This isnt going in my name 45yo DAD FTW!:D and payments I wont have to worry about either....Dads going to pay that also,he didnt want me to get a ef in the first place kept trying to get me a 03 impala when they were new.Said he wanted somthing I would only have to put gas in ,and change the oil.:lmfao: Who knows I wanted to get something else but rsx was the only thing I could think of that was newer.That he would fall for eks,egs,and efs.I know he wont buy because he doesnt like spending his money on stuff thats not fairly new.But if he cuts the check for 8k Ill be going with the used car that if I wreck I dont give two shits about.And pocket the other 7k


Spoiled Brat :no:

[southside]

Spoiled Brat :no:Not really spoiled just deserve it:goodjob:

[00CelicaGT]

Have u graduated college yet, wit really good grades? if not then u haven't deserved it yet.

[southside]

A,B's but everyone has there own view of good grades....

[southside]

no u damn copy cat!!!! lol jk
i want to see this motor in action when its done :ninja: i cant wait till i finish mine( course i have to start first :crazy: ) my brother in law order that tap to day through work so he gets it CHEAP :bump: (odd ball tap for d series on the crank where the flywheel bolts go 12x 100 i think)SOMEBODY cross threaded before i got it... not mad now tho it happens, it wasn't in i 100 piece matco tap and die set) i cant find any one with it its most likely special order tap.... once that comes in i will beable to drive it finally!If you havent sent your crank off yet for machine work,I got a b18b crank I can sell ya

[00CelicaGT]

A's & B's!

have u even gone to college i cant ever recall u talking about school?

[sakasaku]

Ressurection!!


Something instore soon:ninja:

[sakasaku]

You have it backwards, CTR Intake and B17 exhaust is the best OEM combo. Unless you get a great deal though, I still recommend aftermarket cams.

Okay lets talk aftermarket cams(lets compare to se what the best choice is) what do u guy suggest ill start researching now!:D

[bigdare23]

Okay lets talk aftermarket cams what do u guy suggest ill start researching now!:D


do you have your d15 running yet...

[sakasaku]

maybe :ninja: i have to fix the ground issue tommorow and its a wrap got the brake lines and i need a another axle bolt, and a few little things and it hits the streets!

[southside]

Im guessing it not the ls/vtec?

[sakasaku]

i am puting a D15 in now why i build the LS/vtec