so sorry for gt-r owners

[DUBSf22c]

GT-R I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=25361





I was driving my gtr two weeks ago and I heard a loud noise coming from the rear. I turned immediately had my gtr towed to crown nissan st. petersburg fl. They didn't touch my car only called some techs from tennessee to look at the car and record the noise, 4 days later two guys from japan to download some info from the car then left. Then I get a call from the dealer to tell me the news, and they told me that the car was driven without vdc too much and nissan will not warranty the transmission which they said was destroyed, I asked them how much to fix it they told me 20k, no freaking way I will pay 20k on top of what i just paid for the car. I called the gtr number and also talked to nissan consumer affairs got nowhere, now the car is sitting at the dealer. I know we shouldn't launch the car but why own it if you cant use this function, don't sell a car that goes 0-60 in 3.4 sec if the only way you can achieve this speed is to void the warranty , false advertising. Here is the bad news people were fearing it has happened to me and Nissan has told me there are already three people in my shoes, if you are one of these people email me, we have got to get together on this. Just think if any of you guys have taken the vdc off just a few times you have already voided your warranty, good luck what a joke nissan.

[SicStang03]

wow... **** that ****

[TIGERJC]

Pwned

[SouthrnStyle]

Damn that sucks

[OneSlow5pt0]

should have bought a Z06,lol

[Revmaynard]

That's awesome for the fanboys and terrible for the owners. LOL

[uproot]

Nissan put a feature on a car that would void the warranty if used = :gay:

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=17628

[Revmaynard]

LOLOLOL GTR FTL LOLOLOL.

[slostang]

wow :lmfao:

[Atlblkz06]

Hello Magnusson-Moss!
"No aftermarket part or accessory that is properly installed on your vehicle will entirely void your original vehicle "

If it can be proven that VDC off does NOT cause problems he will win

[VooDooXII]

The GTR is so pretentious.

[NewGen33]

I'm slowly losing respect for Nissan

[Atlblkz06]

ROFL... 1 case of out-of-warranty work because of unknown causes involving but not limited to VDC-off driving and you guys hate Nissan?

You dont even know what happened or what the folks found when they probed the car.

[pankopp]

there was a big article in Autoweek a few weeks back that went indepth on all this with the GT-R and saying a lot of other manufactures that are going to start. Apparently Nissan and a few others are installing "black boxes" in all their new cars that have the ability to record just about all functions and variables of the car. I will look for the article.

that blows.

Edit:

"Similar so-called black boxes, or electronic data recorders (EDRs), are now standard equipment in a majority of passenger cars and light-duty trucks sold in the United States."

Found the article, see link. http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080924/FREE/809189970

[Ran]

"We made a racecar that comes with a warranty but if you race it, then you void the warranty. Ohohohohoho~!" - Nissan

[pankopp]

same thing when the 2002 Subaru WRXs were released... they gave you a free one year SCCA membership with the car purchase, but if you took part in any SCCA events, your warranty would be void.... crazy.

[Atlblkz06]

"We made a racecar that comes with a warranty but if you race it, then you void the warranty. Ohohohohoho~!" - Nissan

Pretty much. However you're in the same situation with pretty much any car. Its true with a Z06 or ZR1 and I bet its the same with a 911 GT3RS, CGT etc as well.

Technically speaking these are street cars!

[imbatman]

i say "boycot" the nissan gtr's and spread the word until nissan people do something about it.

[imbatman]

....and i forgot to mention............F**k all new sports car.

old skool and new skool FTW!!!!

[Ronsam2006]

....and i forgot to mention............F**k all new sports car.

old skool and new skool FTW!!!!
As dumb as that sounds, I'm with you on that one.

[TaKashi]

GTR........<--------POS

[Random Hero]

Damn, what a bummer.

[JITB]

if you take any car to the dealer and they have a way todetect the driving characteristics of the car since you owned it, and it shows im sure any manufacturer woudl void the warranty. its a little extreme in this case, but for a car like the gtr(price wise) nissan doesnt want to have to pay for people going around beating up their cars. If you take the Sti/Evo and do daily hard launches with the launch control..just because it can do it. Doesnt mean it wont hurt the car, most of the complaints about this stuff is coming from the US owners....its really no suprise to me.. i always expect the dealership to try to get out of paying for something like that. If i had a GTR i dont htink i woudl beat on it like that.. unless i had the pocket to fix it.

[DUBSf22c]

ROFL... 1 case of out-of-warranty work because of unknown causes involving but not limited to VDC-off driving and you guys hate Nissan?

You dont even know what happened or what the folks found when they probed the car.

if you read the thread there are others going through this! :goodjob:

[XLR8NMR2]

Shoulda got an mr-2

[RL...]

lol pwned indeed

but this is nissans first year/attempt at this car. Many brand new cars have problems there first year of production...That is stupid though, nissan should have made the trans/differential stronger, or atleast warranty it

[RL...]

GTR........<--------POS

and what do you drive?! It better be something badass enough to put the gt-r to shame with a comment like that...

[alpine_aw11]

bwahahahahahaha

[Ran]

GTR........<--------POSNissan's flawed warranty is no direct reflection on the vehicle itself. Even if you don't like the car, it's hardly a POS.

[G.C]

man that sucks. 20,000 to fix it.

[Doppelgänger]

I like how Nissan thinks they created some surperb, super-dooper futuristic supercar.... when in all reality all they did was create a over-priced, over-complicated, over-hyped econobox. Seriously. They clearly made a inferior car to the R32/33/34 and and more people drive the GTR, it will be more obvious.

[JR VQ 30 de]

dude thats really gay so much hype for a car that does 3.4 0-60 but if u do it it only means ur warranty will void. ur better importing a r34 from japan and doing wat ever the fawk u want to it ...

[Bruce Leroy]

If i had a GTR i dont htink i woudl beat on it like that.. unless i had the pocket to fix it.


If i paid 70 grand for a car, I would drive the piss out of it. And if its stock, it better be able to do it over and over again for at least 100k miles. Or i want my $$$ back, so i can get something better.

[JITB]

If i paid 70 grand for a car, I would drive the piss out of it. And if its stock, it better be able to do it over and over again for at least 100k miles. Or i want my $$$ back, so i can get something better.


If i had a GTR i dont htink i woudl beat on it like that.. unless i had the pocket to fix it. I mean you beat on any car no matter how well its made it will wear on it..and take damage. its physics.. its kind of messed up that they went thru all that trouble to find out what happened. But he should have known they could find a way to get his driving habits uploaded. hell i knew they could do that. Truth is, if all cars had the technology to pull up driving habits when they come up for warranty service...50% of warranties wouldnt be honored. And most warranties state "under normal driving conditions". You take a car in for a warranty service with a exhaust on it, and they wont touch it.

[alpine_aw11]

If i had a GTR i dont htink i woudl beat on it like that.. unless i had the pocket to fix it. I mean you beat on any car no matter how well its made it will wear on it..and take damage. its physics.. its kind of messed up that they went thru all that trouble to find out what happened. But he should have known they could find a way to get his driving habits uploaded. hell i knew they could do that. Truth is, if all cars had the technology to pull up driving habits when they come up for warranty service...50% of warranties wouldnt be honored. And most warranties state "under normal driving conditions". You take a car in for a warranty service with a exhaust on it, and they wont touch it.

Look at it from that guy's standpoint though, he payed 70k for a car that already needs a 20k tranny replacement, which in itself is insane. I want to find out the extent of what caused this.

[67MercCougar]

Well in Nissans defense they do tell owners not to and they are also selling you a amazing supercar without the really big supercar price. Plus beat the **** out of anything and it will break I don't car how you build it, look at drag cars repaired after each track day. Im sorry to hear this but I mean that tough luck.

[Elbow]

LOL fail

[OnURleft]

I hate to say this...but if you bought a BMW M car they turn the DSP off for you and let you throw it around and launch it all day on there test track in Spartenburg (sp?). Shame the Japanese best can't hold up

[Kaiser]

Jesus christ. This is akin to someone demanding their tires be replaced under warranty after they do a 10 minute burnout in the parking lot of the dealership. Get real. At least let the engine settle in, rather than constantly using launch control and turning VDC off.

[67MercCougar]

Yeah I know alot of guys with Ferrari's and they break alot and it cost alot to fix them, when you buy a supercar it comes with owning it you guys have no idea what is fully involved with a car like that. I think that yeah maybe Nissan should own up and fix it but why should they when they warn you not to the guy is stupid if you ask me. Even with it turned on its 0-60 is like 4.3 I think, I mean you would have to be racing some amazing cars to need it to do better than that.

[Doppelgänger]

I bet my Miata is more robust than the GTR... and i've increased the power by 150% at the wheels:lmao:

[67MercCougar]

I love your Miata don't get me wrong and I have met you and your a cool guy and your car would wax mine but the GTR would take you in every way I am sorry. The amount of technology in the car is amazing and the model that comes out after this one maybe some of the issues will be worked out but I do know it is going to be 400 pounds lighter which is a big deal.

[JITB]

Look at it from that guy's standpoint though, he payed 70k for a car that already needs a 20k tranny replacement, which in itself is insane. I want to find out the extent of what caused this.


it needs a tranny because of the beating its been taking obviously. its not like the tranny went to **** randomly. Im not defending Nissan, but i mean, youhave to look at it from their point of view. The same thing happened with the previous GTR's and every other Hi-perf car released. its just us in the US are making a ruckus over it. ijsut have to repeat mys elf over and over, If nissan did warranty service over every GTR that came back to them with a problem and the owners were driving them like madmen..than they woudl go bankrupt. GTR isnt the only car with the driver data record in it.

[antiv6]

my god 20k for a transmission that cant even hold stock power, and wtf is VDC

[67MercCougar]

Yeah I with JITB I mean every car is that way really it just so happens that the car is expensive to work on and that sucks. I am not defending Nissan so much either but it is like if you owned a shop and rebuilt a motor for someone and they threw a rod in it because they took it straight to the track to rag on it would you take it back and fix it?

[CAdamson16]

As dumb as that sounds, I'm with you on that one.

as am i that 100% eats it

[JITB]

my god 20k for a transmission that cant even hold stock power, and wtf is VDC

You take a stock cobra and just do 4k launches...over and over and over **** will start breaking..

[04sleepa]

soooo pissed would i be! ha


GT-R I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=25361

[antiv6]

You take a stock cobra and just do 4k launches...over and over and over **** will start breaking..
it wont be the transmission:goodjob:, and if it was bone stock even ford would replace it under warranty

[Z33_kid]

if i had money like that i wouldnt really care id be calling up cobb an other aftermarket companys **** warranty lol

[.blank cd]

if i had money like that i wouldnt really care id be calling up cobb an other aftermarket companys **** warranty lolx2. Serisously dont buy a car you cant afford to maintain. and dont beat it up if you cant afford the consequences

but what i wanna know is, why is there a button on the car you cant use? what if i slipped and hit the button and turned the VDC off on accident? now my warranty is void?

[jfman]

Just like when the evo came out and mistubisho quit warrantying the transfer cases.

[Glides]

Hello Magnusson-Moss!
"No aftermarket part or accessory that is properly installed on your vehicle will entirely void your original vehicle "

If it can be proven that VDC off does NOT cause problems he will win

Actually, you might want to rethink that. He could very well lose. It is expressly written in teh manufactures warranty booklet that driving with the VDC off will void the warranty. Right there Nissan and it's army of lawyers have the upper hand.

The thing he should do is find the other owners of the vehicles that are also fubared and get with them. Strength in numbers. If enough people ***** and moan, Nissan will just fix them to get them silenced and not go through it. But him alone, he doesn't stand that much of a chance.

Sad day indeed for GTRs

[RL...]

I like how Nissan thinks they created some surperb, super-dooper futuristic supercar.... when in all reality all they did was create a over-priced, over-complicated, over-hyped econobox. Seriously. They clearly made a inferior car to the R32/33/34 and and more people drive the GTR, it will be more obvious.

You're right. Maybe we should all just be original, not buy the gt-r, and mod an economy car!!! Oh wait...everyone does that....

Over priced? Hardly considering the numbers it puts down. 3.4 0-60:thinking:

Over complicated? As many have stated it drives itself, hard hard is it to paddle shift?:thinking:

And as far s inferiority to the previous gtr's goes, only time will tell...

[RL...]

Yeah I with JITB I mean every car is that way really it just so happens that the car is expensive to work on and that sucks. I am not defending Nissan so much either but it is like if you owned a shop and rebuilt a motor for someone and they threw a rod in it because they took it straight to the track to rag on it would you take it back and fix it?

x2

well said

[RL...]

I bet my Miata is more robust than the GTR... and i've increased the power by 150% at the wheels:lmao:

I bet not. You do have a badass miata though.

[JITB]

it wont be the transmission:goodjob:, and if it was bone stock even ford would replace it under warranty

just imagine..if mustangs had driver data recorders in them.... :eek:

[Atlblkz06]

Jesus christ. This is akin to someone demanding their tires be replaced under warranty after they do a 10 minute burnout in the parking lot of the dealership. Get real. At least let the engine settle in, rather than constantly using launch control and turning VDC off.

I'm assuming you were there when he was "constantly using launch control and turning VDC off" ?:thinking:

Talk about blowing sh!t out of proportion. EVERYONE has the same issues.

BMW S54 engines were blowing up when they first came out

Mustang Cobras were blowing head among many other issues

C6 Z06s had roofs that wouldnt stay on the car, the diff clunked, the axle bolts were loose sometimes... you get the idea.

Why single out Nissan? EVERYONE has growing pains. Surely you didnt expect the first year model to be freakin perfect!

Most of you probably wouldn't buy a GT-R anyway so might as well join the club and talk smack right?

[yungdz]

I bet my Miata is more robust than the GTR... and i've increased the power by 150% at the wheels:lmao:

Mike, you know I love your car, but its not holding nowhere near as much as a GTR is holding. Put 500 hp to it and do a couple of launches and see whats left, it sure as hell wont be bewbies :boobies:


I'm assuming you were there when he was "constantly using launch control and turning VDC off" ?:thinking:

Talk about blowing sh!t out of proportion. EVERYONE has the same issues.

BMW S54 engines were blowing up when they first came out

Mustang Cobras were blowing head among many other issues

C6 Z06s had roofs that wouldnt stay on the car, the diff clunked, the axle bolts were loose sometimes... you get the idea.

Why single out Nissan? EVERYONE has growing pains. Surely you didnt expect the first year model to be freakin perfect!

Most of you probably wouldn't buy a GT-R anyway so might as well join the club and talk smack right?

Agreed :goodjob:


**** WRX's were breaking tranny's when people tried launching them in 02.

And if you go in for brake service and your rotors show burn spots from abuse, they wont touch them, even if your paying for it unless its to buy new rotors.

Everyone knew the GTR would have some kind of flaw just like every first production version of a new car.

[SRCRX]

Actually, you might want to rethink that. He could very well lose. It is expressly written in teh manufactures warranty booklet that driving with the VDC off will void the warranty. Right there Nissan and it's army of lawyers have the upper hand.

The thing he should do is find the other owners of the vehicles that are also fubared and get with them. Strength in numbers. If enough people ***** and moan, Nissan will just fix them to get them silenced and not go through it. But him alone, he doesn't stand that much of a chance.

Sad day indeed for GTRs

Yep, I'm sure they do have the upper hand, But if it voids the warrty why
can a GTR owner even turn off the VDC, thats the part that makes no
sence (sp) to me??

Any one have a clue on that one??

[Kevykev]

Nice Job:

"You workin' today?"

"Yeah"

"what you doin'?"

"Just gotta fly to American to DL some info off of a car that broke"

"Schweet!"

[slow_hatch]

Well this is exciting :rolleyes: If I bought a new, automatic car that would tear the transmission out, under stock power, within 30k miles, VDC or not I would expect the manufacture to warranty it. I can't wait to see what happens when people start to mod the dammn thing. I guess the first mod everyone should do is beef up that transmission since it is obviously not suited for the 3.8 60mph times advertised.

[slow_hatch]

Nice Job:

"You workin' today?"

"Yeah"

"what you doin'?"

"Just gotta fly to American to DL some info off of a car that broke"

"Schweet!"

Yeah no kidding :D

[Ran]

wtf is VDCVehicle Dynamic Control

[slow_hatch]

Vehicle Dynamic Control

Vehicle Destruction Control, turn it off and boom goes your car :D

[MS3ZZ]

look, if you race the car, your on your own. Manufacturer do not have enough fund to support everyone's racing program. They offered the car, it's up to you to do what you want with them.
If manufacturer warrantied damages and any related issues caused by racing, do you think these car would cost the same amt it cost now?
You pay for everything, nothing is free.

[EJ25RUN]

i read some of the other posts from this guy. He had it coming.

[JITB]

i read some of the other posts from this guy. He had it coming.


:goodjob: :goodjob:

[Kevykev]

No car is bullet proof.



Vehicle Destruction Control, turn it off and boom goes your car :D


Hahahaaa

[87 Turbo II]

How nice of Nissan to install a "void warranty" button on the dashboard.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n15/eastermonkey/vdcoff.jpg

[AnthonyF]

the gt-r35 is a piece of sh*t covered in sh*t dipped in sh*t baked in sh*t eaten, the sh*tted out and then thrown up on.

-Ant.

[Atlblkz06]

the gt-r35 is a piece of sh*t covered in sh*t dipped in sh*t baked in sh*t eaten, the sh*tted out and then thrown up on.
-Ant.


Again.. based on 1 car?

And uh, sorry to hear about Leisa.

[AnthonyF]

Again.. based on 1 car?
No, based on all of them. Did you even read the thread were Porsche called nissan's b*tch ass out?


And uh, sorry to hear about Leisa.
Where did that come from? Leisa is Brett's wife.

-Ant.

[JITB]

lol just because they called them out doesnt mean its true. Driving with the VDC off doesnt void the warranty people. its the driving data from the Ecu that did for him..

[87 Turbo II]

lol just because they called them out doesnt mean its true. Driving with the VDC off doesnt void the warranty people. its the driving data from the Ecu that did for him..
yeah it did

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=17628

[Kaiser]

I'm assuming you were there when he was "constantly using launch control and turning VDC off" ?:thinking:

Talk about blowing sh!t out of proportion. EVERYONE has the same issues.

BMW S54 engines were blowing up when they first came out

Mustang Cobras were blowing head among many other issues

C6 Z06s had roofs that wouldnt stay on the car, the diff clunked, the axle bolts were loose sometimes... you get the idea.

Why single out Nissan? EVERYONE has growing pains. Surely you didnt expect the first year model to be freakin perfect!

Most of you probably wouldn't buy a GT-R anyway so might as well join the club and talk smack right?


This is nothing like any of the problems you suggested. I highly doubt that this is in some way a manufacturer's defect considering the circumstances. Why don't you inform yourself a bit more about this particular situation?


PS: Can any of the Ferrari/Lambo/911 (Turbo, GT3, GT3RS, GT2)/Etc. owners chime in with their warranty manuals on whether or not THOSE companies include abuse under their factory warranties? I'd love to know about that.

[JITB]

yeah it did

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=17628


But that wasnt why they voided it, it was becuase he drove Too much with it off.

[kfzemx3]

Look at it from that guy's standpoint though, he payed 70k for a car that already needs a 20k tranny replacement, which in itself is insane. I want to find out the extent of what caused this.

You have to pay to play, and pay attention to the fine print. I'm with JITB, if you buy a car and beat on it, and it brakes, and it specifically states that if you do this you will void your warranty, you better be prepared to dish out the cash. Because after all in the end its nobody else fault but your own, don't run out and buy a car you know nothing about.

And it being the 1st gen of a car like this, yea they are going to be a few problems, but no body twisted your arm and told you, you had to be one of the 1st to own it.

[TIGERJC]

How nice of Nissan to install a "void warranty" button on the dashboard.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n15/eastermonkey/vdcoff.jpg
now that's funny :lmfao:

[alpine_aw11]

You have to pay to play, and pay attention to the fine print. I'm with JITB, if you buy a car and beat on it, and it brakes, and it specifically states that if you do this you will void your warranty, you better be prepared to dish out the cash. Because after all in the end its nobody else fault but your own, don't run out and buy a car you know nothing about.

And it being the 1st gen of a car like this, yea they are going to be a few problems, but no body twisted your arm and told you, you had to be one of the 1st to own it.

I'm not choosing sides here just yet, I also said I want to know what caused this. If it was just driving with VDC off, then Nissan needs to look into the durability of their 70k supercar. All I'm saying is anyone who payed that kind of money for a car and then had to get a 20k tranny replacement soon after will be pissed, I know I would. And really a GT-R's tranny shouldn't be failing that early, unless the guy was using launch control at every red light or something.

[kfzemx3]

I'm not choosing sides here just yet, I also said I want to know what caused this. If it was just driving with VDC off, then Nissan needs to look into the durability of their 70k supercar. All I'm saying is anyone who payed that kind of money for a car and then had to get a 20k tranny replacement soon after will be pissed, I know I would. And really a GT-R's tranny shouldn't be failing that early, unless the guy was using launch control at every red light or something.


I would be pissed as well, I think anyone would have. But still Supercars arn't cheap they arnt reliable and if your spending money on one you should have the money to make sure if something breaks you can fix it.

But really its Nissans Fault anyway, that last minute change button Icon was a little misleading, the original design would of kept him from breaking the car:

[87 Turbo II]

I would be pissed as well, I think anyone would have. But still Supercars arn't cheap they arnt reliable and if your spending money on one you should have the money to make sure if something breaks you can fix it.

But really its Nissans Fault anyway, that last minute change button Icon was a little misleading, the original design would of kept him from breaking the car:
haha nice

[JITB]

haha nice


i think i saw you on buford hwy sunday? was that u?

[87 Turbo II]

Yeah apparently, 2010's dashboard is a bit more honest.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n15/eastermonkey/warranty.jpg

@ JITB, no, wasn't there Sunday. The easiest tell with my 7, is that my front bumper is gray not body colored and my wheelss are black mesh with a polished lip. you HAVE met me if you're who I think you are though. Were you the one that spun out on a patch of mud at last years Pine Mountain meet with the protege guys? If so, I was in my TII then.

[slow_hatch]

Yeah apparently, 2010's dashboard is a bit more honest.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n15/eastermonkey/warranty.jpg

oh my gosh, thats funnny :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :goodjob:

[JITB]

Yeah apparently, 2010's dashboard is a bit more honest.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n15/eastermonkey/warranty.jpg

@ JITB, no, wasn't there Sunday. The easiest tell with my 7, is that my front bumper is gray not body colored and my wheelss are black mesh with a polished lip. you HAVE met me if you're who I think you are though. Were you the one that spun out on a patch of mud at last years Pine Mountain meet with the protege guys? If so, I was in my TII then.


naw that wasnt me.. the fc i saw had black mesh wheels with a polished lip..same color and everything.. maybe you were sleep driving... :lmfao:

[87 Turbo II]

naw that wasnt me.. the fc i saw had black mesh wheels with a polished lip..same color and everything.. maybe you were sleep driving... :lmfao:
oh no more blue FC, now it's a white FB, screen name is old and I don't like explaining I'm someone else.

[JITB]

oh no more blue FC, now it's a white FB, screen name is old and I don't like explaining I'm someone else.

naw man it was the white Fb..lol i promise it was YOU! lol or else someone has a twin of yoru car.

[XanRules]

Actually, you might want to rethink that. He could very well lose. It is expressly written in teh manufactures warranty booklet that driving with the VDC off will void the warranty. Right there Nissan and it's army of lawyers have the upper hand.

Sad day indeed for GTRs

that entirely depends on the judge, though. It's somewhat hidden. Also, Launch Control was a big selling point of the car, they were whoring it up all over television. But you can't use the launch control without turning the VDC off. Technically still legal, but very sneaky.

Also, judging from the SEVEN spaces to record transmission replacements provided in the OM, it's a safe bet that Nissan KNEW the transmission was the GT-R's Achilles Heel.

A lot of you guys might not understand this. The issue is not whether or not he can afford to fix it or whether or not he was beating the shit out of his car.
The issue is that Nissan put a button on the dashboard of their "supercar" that, if pressed, will void your warranty.

[StupidBikerBoy]

Thanks to Magnusson-Moss

It is illegal for any manufacturer to void the warranty unless they can PROVE that the modification/ change in question caused the problem. It is our right as consumers to modify what we pay for without question. :goodjob:

In the case of the GTR, it probably wont be to hard to prove turning off the VDC caused the problems considering it was specifically warned against in the manual. Obviously Nissan already new there were issues regarding this, which speaks a lot about them.

[yungdz]

that entirely depends on the judge, though. It's somewhat hidden. Also, Launch Control was a big selling point of the car, they were whoring it up all over television. But you can't use the launch control without turning the VDC off. Technically still legal, but very sneaky.

Also, judging from the SEVEN spaces to record transmission replacements provided in the OM, it's a safe bet that Nissan KNEW the transmission was the GT-R's Achilles Heel.

A lot of you guys might not understand this. The issue is not whether or not he can afford to fix it or whether or not he was beating the shit out of his car.
The issue is that Nissan put a button on the dashboard of their "supercar" that, if pressed, will void your warranty.

Of course, arguing that he turned it off to use launch control is going to raise red flags with the judge for doing it on the street

[XanRules]

Of course, arguing that he turned it off to use launch control is going to raise red flags with the judge for doing it on the street

yeah, but hopefully the judge won't get that sidetracked :doh:

[J13eck]

LOL fail
x2

[BATMOBL]

it looks to me any way you look at it the transmission is to weak for the driveline... other wise nissan wouldn't need a computer as an insurance policy. Im worried that if a stock GT-r with the vdc off will blow a transmission, the aftermarket wont be very good for this car. To bad they couldn't have just used the tried and true proper manual trans out of the r34 or at least made it an option.

[seanrg1116]

it looks to me any way you look at it the transmission is to weak for the driveline... other wise nissan wouldn't need a computer as an insurance policy. Im worried that if a stock GT-r with the vdc off will blow a transmission, the aftermarket wont be very good for this car. To bad they couldn't have just used the tried and true proper manual trans out of the r34 or at least made it an option.

not just nissan does it "HONDA DOES IT TO"

[IDCoconut]

Pretty much. However you're in the same situation with pretty much any car. Its true with a Z06 or ZR1 and I bet its the same with a 911 GT3RS, CGT etc as well.

Technically speaking these are street cars!


Yea, but they're damn transmissions don't fucking break after 10 launches......

Face it, Nissan fucked up on the tranny. This isn't the only one.

[seanrg1116]

Yea, but they're damn transmissions don't fucking break after 10 launches......

Face it, Nissan fucked up on the tranny. This isn't the only one.


I read all of this guys post and he beat the SH*T out of that car.

Yea the transmissions are weak "AMUSE" was saying that when they began modding theres, but they have cracked 600hp and are still on the original trans.

I believe the diff is seperating from the trans, or at least thats what the gt-r tech at nissan said

less than 5000 miles on the car and it already broke :no:

[DeutscheBAG!]

lol

[Kaiser]

Magnussen-Moss doesn't apply to an option in the car itself really. It applies to the aftermarket, which this isn't. The GT-R is set up so that people who have the money and desire to want to race it, can. Those who want a street-ready supercar get that as well. Nissan was nothing but honest. Only way they could have been more honest is to put in the manual
Driving with the VDC off will not only void your warranty, but break your transmission through the abuse! It's obviously not designed to be driving with the VDC off, but we gave you the option because we love our customers and have heard all the other supercar owners bitch about the fact that the supercar makers have been installing nanny's in their cars to keep people from tearing them up after 5,000 miles. If you want to break your toy, go ahead, we won't stop you. We could have just prevented you from having a launch control system at all, or a way to turn off VDC, but you would have just bitched about that then too, right?

[Dwisforme05]

fuk nissan.

[YokotaS13]

Thanks to Magnusson-Moss

It is illegal for any manufacturer to void the warranty unless they can PROVE that the modification/ change in question caused the problem. It is our right as consumers to modify what we pay for without question. :goodjob:

In the case of the GTR, it probably wont be to hard to prove turning off the VDC caused the problems considering it was specifically warned against in the manual. Obviously Nissan already new there were issues regarding this, which speaks a lot about them.
except when it is written, most likely, in a document signed when you take delivery of a car that Xx and YY and ZZ will voiud your warranty

cant beat it when you sign it.
or if it is in hte owners manual (might be), owners agreements (i knwo the track thing is, where if you go to a track within XXX miles after the day you have to have an inspection done or warranty voided)