Dreaded BumbleBee exhaust

[rrutter81]

So i installed a Vibrant Header, Hi-Flow Cat, GM Performance Exhaust (2.25) which is basicly a borla with a GM stamp on it and now i have the dreaded bumble bee honda sound after 3,000 RPM.

Anyone know of a good resonator to elminate it? To give you an idea this guy has the exact same CAI/Exhaust setup.

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thanks

[rrutter81]

bump for the annoyed sound polluter

[Decepticon™]

I'm not too sure how much different brands of resonators affect the sound, but I know a 30'' inch will do you nice. :goodjob: It will keep the noise down, but best of all you'll get that low grunt at high RPM's.

[flak_monkey]

get a cutout.

[TheChosenOne]

I'm not too sure how much different brands of resonators affect the sound, but I know a 30'' inch will do you nice. :goodjob: It will keep the noise down, but best of all you'll get that low grunt at high RPM's.
LOL, sorry Neil. I posted this on accident. I pulled up the internet, and you were signed in on my computer and I didn't know. :D

[tdurr]

I got the same prob man.. cpt i acutally have a honda lol... someone post info up plz!

[Motivation]

I got the same prob man.. cpt i acutally have a honda lol... someone post info up plz!

for the honda, try and Apexi N1 catback... they sound good, just don't take the resonators off like most people do...

OP, do you just have the stock res. on there now?

[tdurr]

^^ I have the company "Number One" N1 style can. Had a hole in the muffler when i was up there lol, fixed it last wed... sounds better but still sounds more rice then before...

[Motivation]

^^ I have the company "Number One" N1 style can. Had a hole in the muffler when i was up there lol, fixed it last wed... sounds better but still sounds more rice then before...

Honda's usually sound like "rice" as they say, when it is just a can put on. I believe it's the size of the piping that causes this. Try putting bigger piping on back to the "can"... I had 2 1/2 or 2 1/4, can't remember, but it gave it a deep sound. The Apexi, was a 5'' outlet too. The sound usually has nothing to do with the brand, it's the piping and how it's ran/size.

[rrutter81]

for the honda, try and Apexi N1 catback... they sound good, just don't take the resonators off like most people do...

OP, do you just have the stock res. on there now?

No the stock resonator is off it right now. Im using the GM Performance resonator atm. Im debating on adding BOTH and see if it clears it up.

[rrutter81]

Honda's usually sound like "rice" as they say, when it is just a can put on. I believe it's the size of the piping that causes this. Try putting bigger piping on back to the "can"... I had 2 1/2 or 2 1/4, can't remember, but it gave it a deep sound. The Apexi, was a 5'' outlet too. The sound usually has nothing to do with the brand, it's the piping and how it's ran/size.

Ours deepens with larger piping however going beyond a 2.5 is counter productive to our FI engines. I think we lose 14 hp if we go from 2.5-3.0. Resonators/mufflers make a huge difference.

I found a whisper resonator from ZZPerformance and may go with that. Sounded very stockish. Unfortunately its a pricey one. Especially after spending a few grand on this exhaust.

May help hondas i dont know. It is annoying after 3k rpm and makes me feel like a high-schooler again. Thanks guys for the input/help on this.

[Motivation]

Ours deepens with larger piping however going beyond a 2.5 is counter productive to our FI engines. I think we lose 14 hp if we go from 2.5-3.0. Resonators/mufflers make a huge difference.

I found a whisper resonator from ZZPerformance and may go with that. Sounded very stockish. Unfortunately its a pricey one. Especially after spending a few grand on this exhaust.

May help hondas i dont know. It is annoying after 3k rpm and makes me feel like a high-schooler again. Thanks guys for the input/help on this.

Probably not enough back pressure... I have 3 inch coming right off mine into a turn down, but it's actually better for mine (not the honda)... Hopefully you'll get it figured out bro.

[MR.EM1]

DRIVE UR VEHICLE INTO A LAKE AND CALL IT A DAY.

[rrutter81]

DRIVE UR VEHICLE INTO A LAKE AND CALL IT A DAY.

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[tdurr]

Honda's usually sound like "rice" as they say, when it is just a can put on. I believe it's the size of the piping that causes this. Try putting bigger piping on back to the "can"... I had 2 1/2 or 2 1/4, can't remember, but it gave it a deep sound. The Apexi, was a 5'' outlet too. The sound usually has nothing to do with the brand, it's the piping and how it's ran/size.

i acutally think i got 2.25 on there now, think a 4inch tip. Sounded good till 5ish then ricey till 7k. lol.... after hole in can 3k+ it sounds ricey. I just think i need a muffler... hell i might just get a 5th gen prelude exhaust + a magnaflow rez and call it a day...

[AnthonyF]

Seriously...exhaust sounds fine to me. Only thing you can do is get a larger muffler.

-Ant.

[AnthonyF]

Ours deepens with larger piping however going beyond a 2.5 is counter productive to our FI engines. I think we lose 14 hp if we go from 2.5-3.0. Resonators/mufflers make a huge difference.

I found a whisper resonator from ZZPerformance and may go with that. Sounded very stockish. Unfortunately its a pricey one. Especially after spending a few grand on this exhaust.

May help hondas i dont know. It is annoying after 3k rpm and makes me feel like a high-schooler again. Thanks guys for the input/help on this.

Lose HP with larger muffler? Negative. You will gain HP and quicker rpms. You will lose some tq if you open the exhaust all the way. The more mufflers, converters, etc... the more tq (to an extent).

-Ant.

[Motivation]

Lose HP with larger muffler? Negative. You will gain HP and quicker rpms. You will lose some tq if you open the exhaust all the way. The more mufflers, converters, etc... the more tq (to an extent).

-Ant.

Not sure, but I think he might have been referring to the size of the actual piping that comes back to the muffler, which would mean decreased back pressure... I think, not sure what he specifically meant though...

[AnthonyF]

back pressure = tq

free flowing = hp

Hence why turbo guys run 3" wide open exhaust out of a tiny 4 cylinders.

-Ant.

[smote]

can someone explain backpressure to me? I always thought it had to do with exhaust gas scavenging and velocity.

to op: if you don't want that sound you should probably put your stock exhaust back on and get rid of your 4 cylinder, they all pretty much sound like that

[stillaneon]

Ours deepens with larger piping however going beyond a 2.5 is counter productive to our FI engines. I think we lose 14 hp if we go from 2.5-3.0. Resonators/mufflers make a huge difference.

I found a whisper resonator from ZZPerformance and may go with that. Sounded very stockish. Unfortunately its a pricey one. Especially after spending a few grand on this exhaust.

May help hondas i dont know. It is annoying after 3k rpm and makes me feel like a high-schooler again. Thanks guys for the input/help on this.

Umm no. That makes no sense....

Your not going to lose HP (esp not 14) for opening your exhaust.

Your probably thinking losing 14 hp for those ricer ass lambo doors.

[Motivation]

can someone explain backpressure to me? I always thought it had to do with exhaust gas scavenging and velocity.

to op: if you don't want that sound you should probably put your stock exhaust back on and get rid of your 4 cylinder, they all pretty much sound like that

:no: :no: :no:

[OhMyGodfather]

UH, WHO CARES WHAT THE EXHAUST SOUNDS LIKE

I WAS FOCUSED ON THE SUPERCHARGER

[G.C]

^^

stupid. who wants to drive around with a bumble bee rattling farting can?

[JITB]

car doesnt even sound bad...lol It sounds like a car with a nice exhaust system on it. Its a 4cyl. it has a sound to it. its not gonna sound like a VQ, its not gonna rumble like a V8. Its gonna sound like a 4cyl..because its a 4cyl. But to me it sounds fine.. ESPECIALLY! for a car with header/cat/full exhaust.. i can say hondas have more of a bumblebees tone to them.. but thats a honda.. thats what they sound like opened up.

But if you insist a resonator always does the trick..

[Gorilla Eg!]

get a better exhaust ( greddy, apexi, hks, buddy club, etc. ) and go with a magnaflow hi-flo cat.... I have an Apexi n1 catback w/ a magnaflow hi-flo cat and it sounds perfect on my GSR motor!!!!!!!!!!!

[iEvo]

hey rrutter we shoud run again:ninja:......im sure that exhaust made it real fast

[chico78]

hey rrutter we shoud run again:ninja:......im sure that exhaust made it real fast

Thats why he revs it to the redline at least 50 times at the gwinnett sonic meets! :goodjob: He's trying to get your attention to let you know that he's ready to crush you now! :lmfao: I'd be careful though if you decide to show him up. He's drinking and driving at every meet like a F'n D Bag. :2up:



Rrutter, keep your beer and your rice at home dude. :yes:

[iEvo]

Thats why he revs it to the redline at least 50 times at the gwinnett sonic meets! :goodjob: He's trying to get your attention to let you know that he's ready to crush you now! :lmfao: I'd be careful though if you decide to show him up. He's drinking and driving at every meet like a F'n D Bag. :2up:



Rrutter, keep your beer and your rice at home dude. :yes:

hahaha yea for real..."i only drink light beer" lol real men drive real cars and real men drink real beer

[ATL_EG]

Thats why he revs it to the redline at least 50 times at the gwinnett sonic meets! :goodjob: He's trying to get your attention to let you know that he's ready to crush you now! :lmfao: I'd be careful though if you decide to show him up. He's drinking and driving at every meet like a F'n D Bag. :2up:



Rrutter, keep your beer and your rice at home dude. :yes:

it was actually 9 times, me and another guy were keeping count :goodjob:
lol

[iEvo]

niiiiiice

[twinj]

get a better exhaust ( greddy, apexi, hks, buddy club, etc. ) and go with a magnaflow hi-flo cat.... I have an Apexi n1 catback w/ a magnaflow hi-flo cat and it sounds perfect on my GSR motor!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly, buy a quality exahuast system.

[iEvo]

correct. lets start by takin the lambo doors off. that was in like 3 years ago. and next AT LEAST paint thoes chrome wheels black or somthin......

[RL...]

The sounds generally depends on the muffler, and how it's designed. Weld another muffler on maybe?

[RL...]

Exactly, buy a quality exahuast system.

depends, sometimes name brand isn't necessarilly better than a knock off, or even stock parts for that matter. Just do research...

[rrutter81]

can someone explain backpressure to me? I always thought it had to do with exhaust gas scavenging and velocity.

to op: if you don't want that sound you should probably put your stock exhaust back on and get rid of your 4 cylinder, they all pretty much sound like that

Technically you are right. Alot of people confuse or stick with saying it is back pressure when its really velocity.

Faster Velocity = better torque.

Backpressure = bad.


Umm no. That makes no sense....

Your not going to lose HP (esp not 14) for opening your exhaust.

Your probably thinking losing 14 hp for those ricer ass lambo doors.

there is dyno proof on css.net that going from 2.5-3.0 loses 14 hp with the stock charger.

I fixed it by removing the old GM resonator and have 2 reversed glass pack resonators in backwards.

DO NOT CLICK IF YOUR OFFENDED BY REVVING (roflcopter) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbBGkrW4PpU)

/rant


it was actually 9 times, me and another guy were keeping count :goodjob:
lol

dude ur so full of ****. 2 beers isnt gonna do anything, go munch on your granola bar and sip that sparkling water.


hey rrutter we shoud run again:ninja:......im sure that exhaust made it real fast

bolt-on balt vs bolt-on evo, evo is gonna win. No need to be a deuche.

[stillaneon]

what is a deuche? Is that like a german douche?

[rrutter81]

what is a deuche? Is that like a german douche?

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[Sport1.3]

3" piping Does not always benefit a F/I motor. backpressure has nothing to do with it

[stillaneon]

3" piping Does not always benefit a F/I motor. backpressure has nothing to do with it

May not benefit it. but a 14 hp loss?

:no:


If thats true, Im sorry. I know you drive a cobalt, you need all the hp you can get

[rrutter81]

3" piping Does not always benefit a F/I motor. backpressure has nothing to do with it

qft

the eaton m62 is really only effective up to the 2.5 inch exhaust.
the harrop tvs, twincharge, and the hahn turbo swap will warrant the 3"


May not benefit it. but a 14 hp loss?

:no:


If thats true, Im sorry. I know you drive a cobalt, you need all the hp you can get

a simple turbo swap makes over 300 hp, and the harrop TVS makes 350 hp which is max for the stock internals. Im not that bent on being the "Fastest" /w my DD. just quick.

[stillaneon]

Im still a little confused on the function of lambo doors on a dd.

I mean do whatever. I could care less. but thats a lot of:

form
Function

for a daily

[rrutter81]

it functions like a stock door when i want, seals like stock (no wind noise at high speeds), bolt on (if i ever want to go back) etc.

This wasnt a hack job like ive seen /w others. Hell even my wife likes it better than stock and she is only 5'2 105 lbs.

Besides. i like it and i drive it. Should be all that matters.

/threadjack

[jdm>usdm]

If you dont want the annoying rice sound, put back on your stock cat. highflow cats put off a hint of the bumble bee sound like you have, and a straight through exhaust creates the super pissed off bee hive sound. with the stock cat you may lose 1 or 2hp at the most, but come on, you know you want that deep sexy tone :goodjob:

[Motivation]

I'm confused on this part though... Are you FI or NA, cause it's in the all motor section so I figured it was NA, but I keep hearing reference to FI?? just wondering...

[tdurr]

^^ straight through on NA gives off a louder and ricer-er sound cuz there is no turbo to baffle the sound. im getting a res anyways via trade(hehe) so I dont even care anymore haha.

[rrutter81]

If you dont want the annoying rice sound, put back on your stock cat. highflow cats put off a hint of the bumble bee sound like you have, and a straight through exhaust creates the super pissed off bee hive sound. with the stock cat you may lose 1 or 2hp at the most, but come on, you know you want that deep sexy tone :goodjob:

I actually gain 15 hp with the system i have now.

Stock loses 7 of that and listening to the youtube videos it is ALOT worse.

listen how bad it is with stock exhaust (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1KrYX8ZF4U)

My exhaust modified with glasspacks reversed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbBGkrW4PpU)

Big difference imo


I'm confused on this part though... Are you FI or NA, cause it's in the all motor section so I figured it was NA, but I keep hearing reference to FI?? just wondering...

I am FI but i figured this would be a better place to post for relevance. i could have been mistaken?

[tdurr]

ROFL @ first vid. its worse then my honda.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c220/TheDarkDarkRacer/th_HPIM2345.jpg (http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c220/TheDarkDarkRacer/?action=view&current=HPIM2345.flv)

and this is IA. you would think it would work better here, but i say good call on posting it here cuz with turbos u got the actual turbo muffling the sound, but wit superchargers u dont.. so it stays here..
anyways, get a ebay N1 style can, and a res and it should be good. I heard a civic with a no name ebay can on it the other day and it sounded good. so dono do wut u wanna...

[jdm>usdm]

Oh your boosted? well disregard my statement about the ehaust. i figured since this was posted in an NA section you werent FI. my statement was more directed at what happens when you have an intake and exhaust on a all motor honda and then take out the cat
I actually gain 15 hp with the system i have now.

Stock loses 7 of that and listening to the youtube videos it is ALOT worse.

listen how bad it is with stock exhaust (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1KrYX8ZF4U)

My exhaust modified with glasspacks reversed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbBGkrW4PpU)

Big difference imo



I am FI but i figured this would be a better place to post for relevance. i could have been mistaken?