The Difference Between Rap, Hip-Hop, and/or Gangsta Music

[AirMax95]

Ok, so after all the threads pinning the artist of now and then, I want to see where some people heads are.

QD, TwinJ, Big Rick, leobond001, etc.....

WITHOUT USING GOOGLE OR WIKI, let's discuss the difference, if any, of the above music genres.

GO!

[Sammich]

rap - compiliation of words that rhyme

ex. soulja boi

hip hop - telling/speaking of issues/views on a topic that is relevant either to the artists or people that can relate

ex. T.I. Jay Jeezy (i know i'm going to catch slack on this but his new cd is beginning to go along the lines of being an actual hip hop artist) Nas

gangsta music - rapping (see first definition) about the life of living as a gangsta...mix of rap and hip hop..IMO

ex. early snoop, dre

[blackboi50]

my interpretation is.......

rap- putting lyrics together that make sense on a great beat!!!

hip-hop-rhymes but doesnt rilly matter.....its music u hear in the club!!!

gangsta rap- like PBsloot said snoop and dre......but now so jeezy and most southern rappers!!!


:2cents:......1

[Sammich]

my interpretation is.......

rap- putting lyrics together that make sense on a great beat!!!

hip-hop-rhymes but doesnt rilly matter.....its music u hear in the club!!!

gangsta rap- like PBsloot said snoop and dre......but now so jeezy and most southern rappers!!!


:2cents:......1

ur hip hop is a lil screwy...rap is music u'd most likely hear in a club opposed to hip hop...u'd hear soulja boi before u'd hear nas in a club...

[XLR8NMR2]

"Rap is what you do
"Hip hop is something you live"

Truthfully everyone has there own opinions on what "real" rap or what "real" hip hop is what i think is hip hop might be considered garbage or rap and vice versa....there really isn't anyway to tell or judge.

[G.C]

Rap-Rhyming and going with the beat
Hip Hop- To me its type of music. Like Rock,Jazz,etc. You need Rap in a hip hop.A good Dj. Some dancing like in music videos.
Gangsta Music-Gangsta Speaking the truth bout what happened in there life and representing there hood/Set.My Favorite is C-Murder.

[Vteckidd]

rap - compiliation of words that rhyme

ex. soulja boi

hip hop - telling/speaking of issues/views on a topic that is relevant either to the artists or people that can relate

ex. T.I. Jay Jeezy (i know i'm going to catch slack on this but his new cd is beginning to go along the lines of being an actual hip hop artist) Nas

gangsta music - rapping (see first definition) about the life of living as a gangsta...mix of rap and hip hop..IMO

ex. early snoop, dre


/thread

[Dirty Octopus™]

rap - compiliation of words that rhyme

ex. soulja boi

hip hop - telling/speaking of issues/views on a topic that is relevant either to the artists or people that can relate

ex. T.I. Jay Jeezy (i know i'm going to catch slack on this but his new cd is beginning to go along the lines of being an actual hip hop artist) Nas

gangsta music - rapping (see first definition) about the life of living as a gangsta...mix of rap and hip hop..IMO

ex. early snoop, dre
i agree fully for the most part
but i wouldnt even put Soulja boi in the rap category
He's a "pop" star

"Rap is what you do
"Hip hop is something you live"

Truthfully everyone has there own opinions on what "real" rap or what "real" hip hop is what i think is hip hop might be considered garbage or rap and vice versa....there really isn't anyway to tell or judge.
Hip Hop IS a way of life.
from the music to the dance to the art.

IMO "Hip Hop" is a period.
like the Baroque Period or Renaissance Period or Classical Period
everything done during those times related to the name of the period.
the Renaissance Period had its particular music AND art.

Hip Hop has its music and art.

people tend to think as African Americans we only have 2 types of music or 3 as stated but like Caucasians our artists fall into many different catagories

The Roots & Nas id put in the "Hip Hop" music category
Soldier Boy & Comp. id put in the "Pop" or "Crunk" category


50 Cent I suppose you can put in the "Gangsta Rap" and "Pop" category depending on what he's talking about

[BobbyFresco]

Hip Hop: True lyrical content.
Rap: a distant cousin of hip hop, strictly marketed for commercial purposes i.e radio play and selling cd's and ringtones.
Gangster rap: bastard child of hip hop where "artists" delve into issues that are relevant to them i.e selling drugs, the money, cars, and ho's.

[Sammich]

i agree fully for the most part
but i wouldnt even put Soulja boi in the rap category
He's a "pop" star


o i think u like me
better yet i know
have u ever seen teh chevy w/ the butterfly doors

:lmfao:

[Maniacc]

This whole music industry bullsh*t, is just a way for the coco-community to reach baller status.

[alpine_aw11]

Hip Hop IS a way of life.
from the music to the dance to the art.

IMO "Hip Hop" is a period.
like the Baroque Period or Renaissance Period or Classical Period
everything done during those times related to the name of the period.
the Renaissance Period had its particular music AND art.

Hip Hop has its music and art.

people tend to think as African Americans we only have 2 types of music or 3 as stated but like Caucasians our artists fall into many different catagories

The Roots & Nas id put in the "Hip Hop" music category
Soldier Boy & Comp. id put in the "Pop" or "Crunk" category


50 Cent I suppose you can put in the "Gangsta Rap" and "Pop" category depending on what he's talking about

I lol'd at the caucasian remark. But I agree, hip-hop is something the artists live for and use their opinions on what's important to them and relevent to the real world. I don't listen to "gangta rap" because as a suburban whiteboy I don't feel it relates to me at all, and generally think most of those artists are kinda dumb. However I haven't lived through what they have so I can't really pass judgement. I don't like Souja Boy being called "the new generation of hip-hop" because he really shares nothing with the real hip-hop artists of today or the past. When you listen to The Roots, Nas, Atmosphere, POS, Brother Ali, etc... they aren't talking about cranking a stupid dance. There's very clear definitions between rap artists(which is a general description of all styles).

[AirMax95]

This whole music industry bullsh*t, is just a way for the coco-community to reach baller status.

damn....keep it clean please. That comment wasn't needed and was very stupid.

Thanks.

[Maniacc]

damn....keep it clean please. That comment wasn't needed and was very stupid.

Thanks.Jeez, I was joking.

[Sammich]

damn....keep it clean please. That comment wasn't needed and was very stupid.

Thanks.

while maniac is gay..his point has a part truth to it

[AirMax95]

Jeez, I was joking.

Ha, I got you, lol. I was expecting you to continue! Is Manic getting soft, lol.

[Maniacc]

:ninja: he got me. lol

[AirMax95]

This whole music industry bullsh*t, is just a way for the coco-community to reach baller status.

Real talk though, the music industry has become pure garbae as a whole. From hip hop to country! Jazz is the only thing that has kept its roots.

As far as reaching baller-status, its true. Back in the day you had to WORK to get into the industry. Nowadays a beat and a dance will get you a deal.

Sad day, but the TI's, Luda', JayZ, Nas, etc actually are not into main stream hype I feel. TI almost gave in, but he jumped ship!

[Sammich]

^x2

[Dirty Octopus™]

I lol'd at the caucasian remark.
but... it da troof! :o

white people aren’t afraid to label a new type of music.
You guys have a style of music and its followers.
You have

Rock
Metal
Emo
Punk
Math Rock
Indie Rock
New Wave
Screemo
Irish Folk
Rockabilly
Hardcore
Straight Edge hardcore
Post Punk
Mod Rock
Emo core



:crazy:

You even have friggin subcultures!



My point is... there's more than 3 types of music that stems from a race or culture. I did not mean to sound racialist in any way shape or form.

So everyone else besides Brad please don’t misconstrue my Caucasian remark :D :goodjob:

[G.C]

Soulja boy = Garbage.

[alpine_aw11]

but... it da troof! :o

white people aren’t afraid to label a new type of music.
You guys have a style of music and its followers.
You have

Rock
Metal
Emo
Punk
Math Rock
Indie Rock
New Wave
Screemo
Irish Folk
Rockabilly
Hardcore
Straight Edge hardcore
Post Punk
Mod Rock
Emo core



:crazy:

You even have friggin subcultures!



My point is... there's more than 3 types of music that stems from a race or culture. I did not mean to sound racialist in any way shape or form.

So everyone else besides Brad please don’t misconstrue my Caucasian remark :D :goodjob:

Yea I know what you're saying. I listen to mostly Metal, and there's a TON of different styles for that now, with new ones constantly emerging. I just try not to pay attention to it.

[leobond001]

wow. i jumped into this thread late. ok

hip hip ( emcee)- music that brings and up lifts ppl. a way of life. inspiratain. brings a nation together. soulful

ex-little brother, lupe, kanye, nas, talib, common, cool kids and so one

ex- krs-one, nas, leaders of the new schhol, tribe called quest and so on

rap ( rappers)- entertainment, show, not real. entertainment music

Ex- luda, t.i., plies, rick ross, lil wayne, t pain, yound jock and so on

now you can break down rap into lyrics. some rappers have lyrics, pushlines and aren't necessaraly taking about drugs or lives they never lived.

ex- cassidy, dmx, cory gunz, fabulous, clipse, busta rhymes,jada kiss, sheek, styles p and so on

not all rap is trash. lyrical rap is nice, because you kinda get a story, and it makes you think.

now rap such as soulja boi, young joc, rick ross, plies, shawty low, and so one. what does it give you? nothing. might be ok in the club if your into that stuff, but other than that, it's horrible.

P.S- and yes, T.I makes the horrible list. i wish someone could tell me what else he raps about tother than cars and drugs? so what makes him good? he's not a trend setter. just a cocaine flow follwer

[leobond001]

but... it da troof! :o

white people aren’t afraid to label a new type of music.
You guys have a style of music and its followers.
You have

Rock
Metal
Emo
Punk
Math Rock
Indie Rock
New Wave
Screemo
Irish Folk
Rockabilly
Hardcore
Straight Edge hardcore
Post Punk
Mod Rock
Emo core



:crazy:

You even have friggin subcultures!



My point is... there's more than 3 types of music that stems from a race or culture. I did not mean to sound racialist in any way shape or form.

So everyone else besides Brad please don’t misconstrue my Caucasian remark :D :goodjob:

i hear you. as a African american culture, our catagories of music are hip hop, rap, and RnB. oh theres also jazz, neo jazz and neo soul

pop is slowly but surely making its way in. but pop goes to all cultures and races.

[twinj]

rap - compiliation of words that rhyme

ex. soulja boi

hip hop - telling/speaking of issues/views on a topic that is relevant either to the artists or people that can relate

ex. T.I. Jay Jeezy (i know i'm going to catch slack on this but his new cd is beginning to go along the lines of being an actual hip hop artist) Nas

gangsta music - rapping (see first definition) about the life of living as a gangsta...mix of rap and hip hop..IMO

ex. early snoop, dre

x2 da troof^^

Damn I got in late. I am from the south so I will be more biased anyway. Its kind of hard to say cause everyone is going to have their opinion no matter what.
Teens, 20's, and 30 are three different generations(age groups) of music. I do agree with the comment sammich made and some others. Then some others was just ignorant, like the last guy before me.

[leobond001]

:goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: ^^^^^^ hahah i have beef now. yay:boobies: :boobies: :boobies: :boobies:

[quickdodge®]

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You cant end thread with that crap, man. Soulja Boy is NOT rap. He even tells you he isn't.

TI, Jay Z and Jeezy considered hip hop artists? Are you serious? This isn't the WL. None of those make that cut. They fit in the RAP category.

Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

I do agree with the comment sammich made and some others.

How. Dude was waaay off. Later ,QD.

[twinj]

:goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: ^^^^^^ hahah i have beef now. yay:boobies: :boobies: :boobies: :boobies:

I don't have any beef with you. Thats Kiddy/Highschool Sh!t. I do believe you have some valid points in some area's, but then the more you speak it just goes to ignorance in some parts. The funny thing is you are a "producer". My inbox is still empty what happen to my hit record?

[twinj]

How. Dude was waaay off. Later ,QD.
Of course its people missing. I would need sometime to make my list,and I am just tired I can't do it. Thinking hard right now is out of my capability's. I haven't seen anyone post up Andre3000 & BigBoi which is one of my favorites also

I am biased cause of my age/me being from the south. I think everyone will have different opinions regardless ,though.

[quickdodge®]

Of course its people missing. I would need sometime to make my list,and I am just tired I can't do it. Thinking hard right now is out of my capability's. I haven't seen anyone post up Andre3000 & BigBoi which is one of my favorites also

I am biased cause of my age/me being from the south. I think everyone will have different opinions regardless ,though.

Not your list. How can you agree with what PBS put as is "ex" for each type of rap? Do you really place TI, Jeezy and Jay Z in the "hip hop" category?

Me? I wouldn't place anyone in the South or the West Coast in the hip hop genre. Just like I wouldn't place hardly anyone from the South or East Coast in the "gangsta rap" section. But there are artists from all over the country in rap in general.

Some examples:

Rap - West Coast - Digital Underground, Del the Funke Homosapien
East Coast - Jay Z, 50 Cent, Biz Markie, Big Daddy Kane
South - TI, Jeezy, Outkast, Goodie Mob, No Limit artists, Cash Money artists

Hip Hop - Nas, KRS-1, Talib Kwali, Immortal Technique, Melle Mel, Furious Five

Gangsta Rap - NWA, DJ Quik, Above the Law, Ice T, Game, Crooked I

That's just a smidgen of my artists. Don't really feel like getting into this too deep. Later, QD.

[leobond001]

I don't have any beef with you. Thats Kiddy/Highschool Sh!t. I do believe you have some valid points in some area's, but then the more you speak it just goes to ignorance in some parts. The funny thing is you are a "producer". My inbox is still empty what happen to my hit record? don't have any hit records, but i told you were you can find some songs. i'm not in any rush to rush delivery my music. sorry if i don't wanna follow in the same fail catagory as 95% of new artist.

and the U.S market sucks. mt mind has always thought overseas.

[DESTRO_91]

Technically there is only hip-hop. Hip-hop was the name given to the type music that originated in New York in the late 70's and early 80's. Since it (hip-hop) originated in New York, New Yorkers took it upon themselves to claim it as their own music, hence all the New York artists stating that they are trying to "bring it back to New York." Rap, is the label that the New York "powers that be" gave to any hip-hop music outside New York. Gangsta(er) rap, is the term the media gave to hip-hop that depicted graphic descriptions of the lives and environments of the artists ie. NWA, Geto Boys. The lines of hip-hop, rap, gangsta rap, crunk, snap, backpack, underground, bootyshake, hyphy and crunk & B are blurred now. If you ask 100 people their definition of hip-hop or rap and who they think fall into each of the above categories and you'll get 100 different responses. All lot of the other categories were invented by the regions they came from in order to somehow invoke some differentiation from every other region.

[sugarbear]

hip hop is really just more "popular" music therefore rap is more hardcore if you can say...but in a way it depends on where u live in the us you can't really break it down.

[alpine_aw11]

hip hop is really just more "popular" music therefore rap is more hardcore if you can say...but in a way it depends on where u live in the us you can't really break it down.

MASSIVE FAILURE. Real hip-hop is anything but the "popular" music now. The true hip-hop artists pretty much operate in a giant underground network, like the biggest underground artists can get. Wtf do you call hip hop? Jeezy? You're way off base.

[twinj]

MASSIVE FAILURE. Real hip-hop is anything but the "popular" music now. The true hip-hop artists pretty much operate in a giant underground network, like the biggest underground artists can get. Wtf do you call hip hop? Jeezy? You're way off base.
You scaring them away thats a new female.

[quickdodge®]

MASSIVE FAILURE. Real hip-hop is anything but the "popular" music now. The true hip-hop artists pretty much operate in a giant underground network, like the biggest underground artists can get. Wtf do you call hip hop? Jeezy? You're way off base.

100% truth. sugarbear. You need to stick with Britney and Jonas kids. You have no inkling on what you post of. Later, QD.

[leobond001]

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: ^^^^^^^ true. we operate like the underground railraod. granted there is still some hiphop that makes the radio, but you gotta have satillite to get it.

[quickdodge®]

Technically there is only hip-hop. Hip-hop was the name given to the type music that originated in New York in the late 70's and early 80's. Since it (hip-hop) originated in New York, New Yorkers took it upon themselves to claim it as their own music, hence all the New York artists stating that they are trying to "bring it back to New York." Rap, is the label that the New York "powers that be" gave to any hip-hop music outside New York.

Technically, I have to disagree with you, lolol. Seriously, though. Hip hop and rap, on a technical level is one and the same. They both originated out of the same hoods and by the same people. No officials or higher-ups coined the term for hip hop. Now in the late 60's, a man by the name of Abiodun Oyewole, was a founding member of The Last Poets. He has always been regarded as the first rapper. Even back in the late 70s, he was aka-ed that. Rap used to be a DJ's gig. The MC (or emcee) would shout over the DJ and talk about him. Then they decided to try to talk with the beat and then took into poetry and rhyming. That's when the MC became known as the rapper. Later, QD.

[sugarbear]

MASSIVE FAILURE. Real hip-hop is anything but the "popular" music now. The true hip-hop artists pretty much operate in a giant underground network, like the biggest underground artists can get. Wtf do you call hip hop? Jeezy? You're way off base.


true but now a days you can't really find that.i'm new to atl and mostly all i hear here is snap your fingers are some new dumb song by soulja boy or somebody,but i think everyone has they own mind state on what rap/hip hop is it will never be the same as when pac was around and he would actally spit something real or old skool common

[DESTRO_91]

The Last Poets are just that, poets. They chose serious social commentary as their subject matter and set it to music.

[leobond001]

sugarbear, ( no homo). not to discredit you or pac, pac rapped and talked about relevent issues and things, but to me, pac was another iffy artist. he admited and so did his mom, that he never was a gangsta. if you look at his life, pac went to smart schools all his life and joined a happy go lucky rap group when he first came out.

but he did talk about real issues which made him an emcee in my eyes. i'm just pissed he showed ppl a life that wasn't really his when he was on death row.

[quickdodge®]

true but now a days you can't really find that.i'm new to atl and mostly all i hear here is snap your fingers are some new dumb song by soulja boy or somebody,but i think everyone has they own mind state on what rap/hip hop is it will never be the same as when pac was around and he would actally spit something real or old skool common

You're trying so hard. But miserably. Please stop. You're making yourself look worse.


The Last Poets are just that, poets. They chose serious social commentary as their subject matter and set it to music.

I don't know if one 30 year old can discredit at the masses of people say about who the originals are. What did we just say hip hop was? Hip hop is rhyming about social issues over a beat. Serious social issues. It's just that in the late 70s, the rhyming had a more melodic sound to it. And it's really hard to discount the fact that if who we call the originators of hip hop refer to someone else as the originator of hip hop, or the godfather of rap.


pac was another iffy artist.

He wasn't iffy at all. Everyone knew he wasn't who he rapped about. He was on that line at being a hip hop artist and a rapper. He spoke on a lot of issues but in a hugely entertaining way. Later, QD.

[Sammich]

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You cant end thread with that crap, man. Soulja Boy is NOT rap. He even tells you he isn't.

TI, Jay Z and Jeezy considered hip hop artists? Are you serious? This isn't the WL. None of those make that cut. They fit in the RAP category.

Later, QD.

i knew you would say that about my comment, due to you being a 80-90s hip hop rider...yes ti, jay, and jeezy are hip hop artist (jeezy making the switch w/ the recession album)....

what i dont understand is how game is a gangsta rap artist..that boggles my mind. he's more in the hip hop genre if u ask me, but i dont like game, so i'd throw him in the rap category just cuz haha, seriously though, game is not a gangsta rapper, sorry.

what i dont understand is how just because an artist blows up..that they are no longer hip hop artist? ti was underground before he blew up w/'trap musik'...i mean **** his first album 'i'm serious' didnt blow up, but it was definitely on point imo...so...if he remained underground, would that mean that he would have remained hip hop?:thinking: doesnt make logical sense...

[alpine_aw11]

true but now a days you can't really find that.i'm new to atl and mostly all i hear here is snap your fingers are some new dumb song by soulja boy or somebody,but i think everyone has they own mind state on what rap/hip hop is it will never be the same as when pac was around and he would actally spit something real or old skool common

You can't find it?:rolleyes: It's readily available if you know where to look.

[DESTRO_91]

I think there is only Hip-hop. Then there are the thousand and one sub-genres we choose to listen to and label artists: (East Coast: Hip-hop(Wu-Tang Clan, NaS), Underground/Mixtape/Battle(Joe Budden, Cassidy, Papoose), Go-go(don't really know any go-go artists), (South: Crunk(Lil Jon, Three 6 Mafia), Snap(Dem Franchise Boyz), Trap(T.I. & Jeezy), Bootyshake(2 Live Crew), Crunk & B(Ciara), Screw(a Texas thing), Hardcore(Geto Boys) and whatever name "they" decide to give the music that Soulja Boy is doing, (Midwest: Nelly) I left Kanye and Common out because "to me" they don't fit the traditional Midwest description. (West Coast: Hyphy(E-40, Keak da Sneak), Underground(Souls of Mischief, Del the Funky Homosapien), Gangster(N.W.A., Ice Cube), (Horror Rap: Ganksta NIP, Gravediggaz), and the groups like the Shop Boyz "Party Like A Rockstar", Missy Elliot. I'm pretty sure I left out some other examples. Hip-Hop is too diverse to be broken down into either Hip-hop or rap. Every sub-genre is an off-shoot of the original "Hip-hop". This debate will never end, but I do like discussing it.

[Sammich]

I think there is only Hip-hop. Then there are the thousand and one sub-genres we choose to listen to and label artists: (East Coast: Hip-hop(Wu-Tang Clan, NaS), Underground/Mixtape/Battle(Joe Budden, Cassidy, Papoose), Go-go(don't really know any go-go artists), (South: Crunk(Lil Jon, Three 6 Mafia), Snap(Dem Franchise Boyz), Trap(T.I. & Jeezy), Bootyshake(2 Live Crew), Crunk & B(Ciara), Screw(a Texas thing), Hardcore(Geto Boys) and whatever name "they" decide to give the music that Soulja Boy is doing, (Midwest: Nelly) I left Kanye and Common out because "to me" they don't fit the traditional Midwest description. (West Coast: Hyphy(E-40, Keak da Sneak), Underground(Souls of Mischief, Del the Funky Homosapien), Gangster(N.W.A., Ice Cube), (Horror Rap: Ganksta NIP, Gravediggaz), and the groups like the Shop Boyz "Party Like A Rockstar", Missy Elliot. I'm pretty sure I left out some other examples. Hip-Hop is too diverse to be broken down into either Hip-hop or rap. Every sub-genre is an off-shoot of the original "Hip-hop". This debate will never end, but I do like discussing it.

i feel the truth to your post...cuz how i also look at it too...even the dance/snap/etc songs can be traced back to when hiphop first started...there were dance songs, songs that touched on topics of that time, gangsta rap started a lil while after that...so...yea hip hop is wide based...but if i had to say whats rap, hip hop and gangsta rap, i stick by what i said:goodjob:

[AirMax95]

Wow, I didnt expect 3 pages!

My take goes like this:

Hip Hop is the culture, rapping is what ALL artist do. Anyway you slice it, it's a form of art. There are several subcutures that have formed due to the evolution of time. Beebob, battle rap, MC'ing, breaking, rhyming about issues are all apart of hip hop. East/West coast, North, underground, crunk, dirty south, etc are all subcultures of hip-hop

Around 1995 hip hop hit the mainstream media hard and turned into pop music. Yes I said it. Money and toys and fame were the goal to reach for, because the "Struggle" was not as hard to overcome. Not all hip hop artist are to be considered pop, but nearly all are. Outkast (my favorites) turned pop rappers as of late due to the transistion there were swpet into. Early in their career though they rapped about issues and things they did and encountered everyday. All grown up now they see life different, thus focus is different. They are still one of the greatest duos though!

TI, Luda, JayZ, Soulja Boi, Game, 50 pennies, and etc are Pop rappers. Not really a bad thing at all (making big $). The people like Soulja Boi have started a new transition.

Tupac was a pop rapper ......Biggie, i can't really say where he falls.

Gangsta rap, = NWA. Cube, dre, snoop were masters at this. You can't make gangsta rap if you didn't walk the walk. Nowadays people consider a rapper with tats a gangster. Selling dope does NOT make you a gangster, sorry nope. Now if you are moving MAJOR weight FOR REAL, with a network pulling down MAJOR $$, controlling s*it, then you may be gangsta. There are more Gangsta people in the Atlanta business center than in the music industry :lmfao:

Ice Cube dropped his album recently and it is CLASSIC HARDCORE GANGSTA music with ISSUES being addressed on every track. He kept it real. Sadly it wont hit the charts hard (like Common, taleb, Mos bef, etc.) because it is not about selling dope, and a video with a happy dance. He is on some grown man stuff, showing people he still know his roots. encouraging kids to do better than the BS that is out. Telling people to stop blaming issues on gangsta music and hip hop.

Game, 5 dimes aka Mr. shot 9 times, etc are NOT gangsta rappers.

[Sammich]

I'M 50/50 ON YOUR POST...

BUT THAT ICE CUBE CD...YEA JOINT IS HOT FOR REAL, I LOVE IT

[Sammich]

Ice Cube dropped his album recently and it is CLASSIC HARDCORE GANGSTA music with ISSUES being addressed on every track. ...encouraging kids to do better than the BS that is out...

TI HIT ON THIS TOPIC ALSO IN ONE OF HIS SONGS, I BELIEVE IT WAS ON THE TRAP MUSIK CD...SO HOW IS TI POP?:thinking:

[AirMax95]

I'M 50/50 ON YOUR POST...

BUT THAT ICE CUBE CD...YEA JOINT IS HOT FOR REAL, I LOVE IT

50/50 as in I typed to damn much or with agreement?

Cube murdered them. Actually I am going to my car to get it now :goodjob:

[Sammich]

50/50 as in I typed to damn much or with agreement?

I'M SAYING I'M 50/50 IN WHAT I AGREE W/ YOU ON...

[AirMax95]

TI HIT ON THIS TOPIC ALSO IN ONE OF HIS SONGS, I BELIEVE IT WAS ON THE TRAP MUSIK CD...SO HOW IS TI POP?:thinking:

He is still Hip hop, but Pop mainstream.....make sense? Trap Musik was hot, but not all truth to his life. He had to say things to get the hype. Sorry, but its the truth. He is a creative mind that why I like the lyrics and spins he puts on things.

Issues are not the big thing to them anymore, its the fame that drives them, not the passion of the music.

I am a BIG TI supporter, I bought 2 of every album.

[Sammich]

I CAN SEE IF YOU SAID THAT WAYNE WAS IN THE POP MAINSTREAM...I MEAN I DONT SEE HIM TOUCHING ON TOPICS AT ALL...JUST ALOT OF WORDPLAY AND PUNCHLINES

BUT TI TOUCHES ON TOPICS THAT CONCERN HIM AND LET PPLE KNOW OF WHAT HE DID, CONSEQUENCES, 'REASONINGS'/EXCUSE WHY HE DID WHAT HE DID..ACCOMPANIED W/ THE DIS OF SHAWTY LO..BUT I DONT SEE HIM AS POP MAINSTREAM...AT ALL, SORRY.

[alpine_aw11]

Let me clarify, they are still Hip hop, but Pop mainstream.....make sense?

Issues are not the big thing to them anymore, its the fame that drives them, not the passion of the music.

I am a BIG TI supporter, I bought 2 of every album.

I'm with you on TI. The only "mainstream" rapper I support or even listen to at all.

[AirMax95]

I dig you , re-read my edit.

He does hit on lots of issues, but all he did was not true. He was NOT pushing a S-class benz when his first album dropped, lol. He is one of those rappers who doesnt need to spin off fabricated stories to please people. He did it one too many times in my eyes, btu it was still creative lyrics :D

The new TI album he knocked it out of the park! He lost the Pop Mainstream dog leash and did what his is great for, rapping REAL TALK.

lol @ Wayne. When he was younger he was great, now I dont know WTF he is doing.

[Sammich]

I dig you , re-read my edit.

He does hit on lots of issues, but all he did was not true. He was NOT pushing a S-class benz when his first album dropped, lol.

The new TI album he knocked it out of the park! He lost the Pop Mainstream dog leash and did what his is great for, rapping REAL TALK.

lol @ Wayne. When he was younger he was great, now I dont know WTF he is doing.

LOL I CANT SAY WHETHER THE S-CLASS BENZ IS TRUE OR NOT..BUT LOL YEA..THE NEW ALBUM...56 BARZ AND IM ILLY...COMPLETE WHOAZ...JOINT IS CRAZY..ONLY REASON I WANA SKIP SONGS IS TO HEAR ONE IVE BEEN DYING TO HEAR AGAIN

WAYNE...I HAVE TO SAY VICE VERSA ON WHAT U SAID LOL

BTW..I KNOW QD IS GONA NITPICK EVERYTHING I SAID..BUT..I STICK TO WHAT I SAY, JUST LIKE HE DOES

[AirMax95]

I listened to TI twice yesterday at work. I acan actually put the media player on random and not get pissed off, lol.

The stuff wayne spews now is word play and sound effects, lol. Catchy for mainstream, but FAR from his roots.

QD is prolly going to slaughter my post too. Hopefully he elaborates, lol.

[Sammich]

I listened to TI twice yesterday at work. I acan actually put the media player on random and not get pissed off, lol.

The stuff wayne spews now is word play and sound effects, lol. Catchy for mainstream, but FAR from his roots.

yea wayne for me is my entertainment definitely..love to see how he does wordplay...i didnt care for early wayne myself..

but uh yea...TI hit this one on point like what he's known for...:goodjob:

[blackboi50]

ur hip hop is a lil screwy...rap is music u'd most likely hear in a club opposed to hip hop...u'd hear soulja boi before u'd hear nas in a club...

yea but they consider soulja boy a hip hop artist.....he rilly doesnt rap.....he does the Dr suess sh!t!!!! :D

and nas is a rapper which is something u listen to for lyrical content......when im in the club listening to hip-hop im not tryna listen to the words because for the most part i already know them and they are catchy!!

rap u have to listen to over and over again to retain it!!!!...:2cents:...1

[Sammich]

yea but they consider soulja boy a hip hop artist

who considered him a artist..much less a hip hop artist

[AirMax95]

who considered him a artist..much less a hip hop artist

sadly it is art, garbage sounding compared to most, but he is COMPLETELY MAINSTREAM. He raps rhymes if anything, not content. I will NEVER play that trash in my car, stereo, or party.

with that said....he got the fame and the $$ :(

[Sammich]

sadly it is art, garbage sounding compared to most, but he is COMPLETELY MAINSTREAM. He raps rhymes if anything, not content. I will NEVER play that trash in my car, stereo, or party.

with that said....he got the fame and the $$ :(

say what

marco polo

marco polo:lmfao:

[AirMax95]

Bow Wow really killed himself with that colab, lol.

[Sammich]

indeed lol...not to mention him trying to be so hard lolol

[JackMaster]

Rap is something you do
Hip Hip is what you are

All rap is hip hop, BUT, not all hip hop is rap.

[Sammich]

^^deep thought maybe?

[blackboi50]

Bow Wow really killed himself with that colab, lol.

but bow wow will still sell because he has teenage girls all over his d!ck!!!! :2cents:.....1

[leobond001]

now tha ti think about it and have read this topic more, i think there is tasteful rap and untasteful rap.

most snap and souljs boi music and hordcore down south music might fall into the untasteful side. while artist like luda, missy,T.I ( since you guys thinik so), jezzy, might fall into the tasteful side.

the tasteful side can be accepted as listenable, even though they might not be called emcee's or anything.

through out urban music ever since we had it, therer has always been hip-hop and tasteful rap. then of course came gangsta rap and booty dance music.

[AirMax95]

the real gangsta rappers are OG's. the mainstream labels the new people based on image.

Booty music, snap, and soulja boy dancing is for the club, its pop, lol.

[Sammich]

snap ya fingahz..do ya step...u can do it all by yosef

[quickdodge®]

i knew you would say that about my comment, due to you being a 80-90s hip hop rider...yes ti, jay, and jeezy are hip hop artist (jeezy making the switch w/ the recession album)....

The comments I make have nothing to do with what I listen to. And I don't listen to 90s rap. I don't know how you have your head sitting on your shoulders to think that TI, Jay and Jeezy are hip hoppers. Jay is the only one even close to it, but he is more of a pop artist. TI and Jeezy were nowhere near hip hop even before they "blew up."


what i dont understand is how game is a gangsta rap artist..that boggles my mind. he's more in the hip hop genre if u ask me, but i dont like game, so i'd throw him in the rap category just cuz haha, seriously though, game is not a gangsta rapper, sorry.

Game is in the middle of gangsta rap and pop art. He talks a lot of gangsta shiit andhe's been through that shiit as well. Don't be sorry about your opinion. Not that it holds much water.


what i dont understand is how just because an artist blows up..that they are no longer hip hop artist? ti was underground before he blew up w/'trap musik'...i mean **** his first album 'i'm serious' didnt blow up, but it was definitely on point imo...so...if he remained underground, would that mean that he would have remained hip hop?:thinking: doesnt make logical sense...

Who was hip hop and then "blew up" and became NOT hip hop? Not TI. That's for sure. You got your outlook on this genre all fucced up man. That's why I don't think your opinion of things concerning rap is really effective. You make no sense in the WL nor do you outside of it. At least the WL is made for a lot of the "not making sense." So you should stay in there where you fit better. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

yea but they consider soulja boy a hip hop artist..

Who is they? Even Soulja Boy will tell you he isn't a rapper orhip hop dude. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

BTW..I KNOW QD IS GONA NITPICK EVERYTHING I SAID..BUT..I STICK TO WHAT I SAY, JUST LIKE HE DOES

Who cares? You cast out that shiit you think is real and yeah I'll shoot it down. Doesn't mean you have to comment about what you think I'm going to do. Come on, man. Admit that you don't know the half of this type of music. You only "know" what you hear now-a-days. Later, QD.

[blackboi50]

Who is they? Even Soulja Boy will tell you he isn't a rapper orhip hop dude. Later, QD.

BET MTV the source all those music magazines!!!!....cmon dizzle!!!;).....1

[quickdodge®]

BET MTV the source all those music magazines!!!!....cmon dizzle!!!;).....1

So you'll take the word of some media outlet about a person rather than take the word of that person himself? Later, QD.

[blackboi50]

So you'll take the word of some media outlet about a person rather than take the word of that person himself? Later, QD.

so what does soulja boy call himself almighty one??????...

this thread has its opinions ((obviously))......i wrote down my interpretations in the difference between hip-hop/rap/gangter music.........i believe he is a hip hop artist!!!!.......1

[AirMax95]

so what does soulja boy call himself almighty one??????...

this thread has its opinions ((obviously))......i wrote down my interpretations in the difference between hip-hop/rap/gangter music.........i believe he is a hip hop artist!!!!.......1


Last time I remember Soulja Boi said he was hip hop, KRS One agreed.

Hip Hop is a movement that will continue to evolve and shape to the times. There is Old school and New school; always has been and always will be. With that said, there will always be clean breathable air, along with smelly stifling smog. Nah Meeennn!

[AirMax95]

some rappers claim that they got a heart full of anger
how when your lyrics were written by a stranger
fool im the greatest, you just the latest
im loved by ya grandmama, and ya babies

Ice Cube says it best!

Honestly, any hip hop artist that does not write there own lyrics is not qualified to be "hip hop".

Hip Hop is expression of oneself.

[Black R]

Not your list. How can you agree with what PBS put as is "ex" for each type of rap? Do you really place TI, Jeezy and Jay Z in the "hip hop" category?

Me? I wouldn't place anyone in the South or the West Coast in the hip hop genre. Just like I wouldn't place hardly anyone from the South or East Coast in the "gangsta rap" section. But there are artists from all over the country in rap in general.

Some examples:

Rap - West Coast - Digital Underground, Del the Funke Homosapien
East Coast - Jay Z, 50 Cent, Biz Markie, Big Daddy Kane
South - TI, Jeezy, Outkast, Goodie Mob, No Limit artists, Cash Money artists

Hip Hop - Nas, KRS-1, Talib Kwali, Immortal Technique, Melle Mel, Furious Five

Gangsta Rap - NWA, DJ Quik, Above the Law, Ice T, Game, Crooked I

That's just a smidgen of my artists. Don't really feel like getting into this too deep. Later, QD.


I would agree with this post more than the others.

But I guess a lot of the original hip hop "is the lifestyle" whereas rap is "the language of hip hop" sort of old school mentality is most correct.

These days, there's a very blurry line between hip hop and rap.

I call stuff like JayZ's commercial rap and del is more underground - I'm surprised anybody even knew who he is on here. Any ChinoXL fans out there? And of course you can get into the Black Elvis all day with me.

[leobond001]

Ice Cube says it best!

Honestly, any hip hop artist that does not write there own lyrics is not qualified to be "hip hop".

Hip Hop is expression of oneself.


man doughboy hit it hard with this one

[quickdodge®]

so what does soulja boy call himself almighty one??????...

An entertainer. That's what he said at least. But I think Source magazine knows him better than he knows himself, huh?


this thread has its opinions ((obviously))......i wrote down my interpretations in the difference between hip-hop/rap/gangter music.........i believe he is a hip hop artist!!!!.......1

You can have your "beliefs". Wrong or not, they're yours. Soulja Boy is far from hip hop. And everyone that knows anything about the genre of music will agree.

Black R. Of course I know of Del. I listened to him back in the very early 90s. And every West Coast dude knows who Del is. Not to mention he's Ice Cube's cousin. Later, QD.

[blackboi50]

An entertainer. That's what he said at least. But I think Source magazine knows him better than he knows himself, huh?



You can have your "beliefs". Wrong or not, they're yours. Soulja Boy is far from hip hop. And everyone that knows anything about the genre of music will agree.

Black R. Of course I know of Del. I listened to him back in the very early 90s. And every West Coast dude knows who Del is. Not to mention he's Ice Cube's cousin. Later, QD.

haaah.......damn i completely forgot about entertainer!!!!! but uinder that most entertainers are hip-hop artists because they have to keep the crowd entertained!!!! *shruggs*

but yea dizzle i see where u coming from man!!!! :D....1

[JITB]

I think when you categorize music soo much its pointless. They all talk abotu the same thing, from death metal-to punk - to rap to R&B. Its all the same things being talked about. Girls-Life-Feelings-Money, i listen to to soo much **** and it hit me one day that. They all say the same things, just with a different way of expressing themselves. But they all serve a purpose, and they all are targeted at certain groups of people. And there is also phases of music, people go thru. I mean when people were talkin about killing drug dealing, people complained. Than dance songs got popular because people wanted to dance and have fun. The main thing with any genre of music is sticking to what you do best, and what you want to do with your own music, and your fans. Which gets overlooked soo much.