B16A vs LS/VTEC turbo build/ RANT...... CHRIS STAY OUT OF HERE!!!

[dkjohnson04]

ok so i bought a good running B16 from a friend of mine and i plan on going boost. i just bought an engine stand, some GSR cams,a set of JE pistons and a used intercooler so far.........

anyways.. i have a long way to go before completion obviously but my friend is tellin me dont waste my time on the B16 just go LS/vtec. I am really wanting the reliability of the B16 non-frankenstine motor! I am not lookin for a race-car just maybe 240 hp or so to the wheels and a fun car to drive EVERYDAY to school work etc......

discuss! opinions, personal experience, horror stories, all welcome here! :goodjob:

is it really worth it?????

[Captain-Obvious™]

my turbo b16a eg runs fine daily driven... just stay out of boost until someone begs to be embarrassed

[bafbrian]

Reliability is dependent on the quality of the build. If you use quality parts and reputable shop to build it, or build it yourself correctly, then either a B16 or LSV setup will net some fun.

Personally, I say go with the LSV setup since you plan on building it.

[dkjohnson04]

ls/vtec is what i am leaning toward at the moment, i have already bought these pistons.....
http://i38.tinypic.com/e0ohue.jpg
some people tell me as long as i don't go above 10 psi with a good tune this will be an OK C/R...... is this true? seems kinda high to me but a stock B16 is almost that much if im not mistaken???

[SPOOLIN]

you can go way over 10 psi with that compression.

[terrytowe22]

i have a built ls vtec in it was puttin out 321whp at 15psi but my c/o was 9:1

[dkjohnson04]

you can go way over 10 psi with that compression.

so on about 8 psi daily maybe 12 at the track this wouldbe ok with eagle rods and these 10.3:1 pistons and supporting fuel mods and tune? on a un-sleeved block? im a nOOb to this turbo stuff. :D

[dkjohnson04]

ok now if i am reading right this chart shows that with the same pistons in a B16 it would have a lower C/R ???? i thought it would be higher C/R in a B16 because it's a smaller motor. somebody please explain this to me! im stumped. been trying to search before asking but this is a pretty specific question.....

http://i36.tinypic.com/29yjeqv.jpg

[MR.EM1]

build the b16 less sh1t to worry about

[dkjohnson04]

that is what i am thinkin man! chris is a NAZI !!! hahahah

[r_Senik]

build the b16 less sh1t to worry about
x2:cheers:

[boostedy8]

You guys are gay. Don't ask for my advise if your going to under mine all of what I tell you. :thinking:

[MR.EM1]

how are we "undermining" you? You know an ls-vtec isnt cheap right? its not like dustin wants to push godlike numbers.

[dkjohnson04]

You guys are gay. Don't ask for my advise if your going to under mine all of what I tell you. :thinking:

dude no-one is undermining you! i just want other peoples opinions too because you are VERY BIASED toward the LS/vtec. i wanna hear other things as well. i know a boosted B16 has more potential than you give it credit for. Dont take it personal bro its just a engine thread on a forum. lol.:cry:

[josh green]

Honestly, for the street the turbo b16 is going to be better. Its lack of torque will be perfect for daily driven street tires. If you put like a gt28 on it could make 240whp with maybe 15 psi. The spool would be excelent, full spool would probably be around 4k and pull till redline. But that turbo is kinda limiting if you want to make more power. Honestly, 300whp would be perfect on the street with a dual stage controller like the Greddy ProfecB 2. Maybe run like a t04e or something similar. You would still have good spool, they are cheap, and maxed out one will make about 400whp.

[B18c1Turboed]

B16 will be fine, for what you are trying to do!!!

[dkjohnson04]

i think so as well. ^^^ i need to get those cam gears from you mane! i will be in gwinnett tonight........at the meet.

[B18c1Turboed]

i think so as well. ^^^ i need to get those cam gears from you mane! i will be in gwinnett tonight........at the meet.

Yea man, just give me a call, I live about 15 mins from there toward Athens. I can run down there, no problem. Sorry i didnt go to gainsville i forgot about my daughters field trip!!

[bRiAnMcIvIcS]

I vote Ls/Vtec turbo. I would use cp pistons/rings, eagle rods, and acl bearings for whatever build you choose. I would go with around a 10.0:1 CR, anything under that you will be very sluggish out of boost. Use the golden eagle vtec kit for the ls/vtec. If you use the parts listed it will be reliable as long as you get the right shop to build it and tune it for you. Its not worth it to build a b16, you should just toss that lil block and get a b18a/b(cheap$) or a GSR(more$). A b16 head with a GSR block would be nice to...it all depends on what you want.

Two choices you should consider:

Ls/vtec turbo setup.
or
B16 head w/ Gsr block turbo setup.

[jmmx258]

I in due time will be running an LS Vtec boosted. However, a friend of mine is running a b16 boosted at 9 psi running a 14 flat on street tires. He also delivers pizza in the car.

I'm running 10psi in a b20 and i'm having fair luck with it. Infact, i gotta go start my question thread lol.

Myself and him both daily drive our cars, his an EF hatch, myself a CRX.

[KevinT707]

Reliability is dependent on the quality of the build. If you use quality parts and reputable shop to build it, or build it yourself correctly, then either a B16 or LSV setup will net some fun.

Personally, I say go with the LSV setup since you plan on building it.
Quoted for truth. Don Flores Enterprises (DFE) in FL balanced/blueprinted and assembled my B18A block with forged pistons, rods, bearings etc. and MS assembled my B16 head on it along with the rest into my car. I've been running this setup for a good 1.5 years with plenty of abuse at the track and streets, revving to 9200 RPMs and abusing it with nitrous (since it was built for nitrous).

Anyway yeah I've never had a problem with the motor itself, which I'm thankful of! :goodjob:

[dkjohnson04]

that sounds like a really solid motor ^^ i plan on using good quality parts and i know some people that are definately capable of putting it all together for me! i just cant get an unbiased opinion about b16 or ls/vtec from the guy who will be putting it together! lol. thanks for the help!

if you dont mind me asking how much was the assembling and balancing etc of your motor? also where is a good place to get my block bored over and cleaned up real good?

[KevinT707]

if you dont mind me asking how much was the assembling and balancing etc of your motor? also where is a good place to get my block bored over and cleaned up real good?
Yeah it's definitely a solid motor, I have not been let down by this motor at all so I feel that it was worth the money on my block. I paid all at once so I really don't know how much the 'assembling & balancing' was exactly. A good place to get your block bored over & cleaned would be a good question for Mike (VtecKidd).

[turbob20]

the b16 has a shorter stroke and an open cumbustion chamber so compresion will be lower. an ls has a longer stroke so makes for a higher c/r but also a wee bit more torque...

[turbob20]

also thumbs up for the b20, thats what i got on 10 psi too. i know the sleeves are weaker but not as weak as a b20z after you put the vtec head on the already high 10:8:1 and boost then they fail pretty quick sometimes. been running it for over 4 years now and building an ls vtec on the stand too.

[Gilgamesh]

just sleeve your b16 to a 1.8

then you could do rods and pistons to run more boost

[bRiAnMcIvIcS]

just sleeve your b16 to a 1.8

then you could do rods and pistons to run more boost

It cost about $1000 to sleeve a b series. b16, b18a/b, and b18c1 stock sleeve's can handle up to around 400whp(i dont think much more than that).

[4doortypels]

i have a built ls vtec in it was puttin out 321whp at 15psi but my c/o was 9:1

i wanted to do an lsvtec, just build and boosted the gsr... mine put out 430 @ 18 psi. with that same compression ratio.

personally i would get you a greddy turbo kit, and tune for 8 psi daily and 14 for the track. if greddy still sells their bankrupt ****. i loved my old greddy kit, and on the gsr made about 235 on 8 psi, so i would say with an 20g you should make your 240-250 at 10 psi... imo,

fast spool, and quick response. go with your b16, and have fun with it:D

[VickNotic]

hmm i've went back and forth, on doing a turbo build, . @ one point i had everything to put it together and all. But things didn't turn out good, Unexpected bills and etc came looking for me and SOLD it, 2nd chance came around bought some stuff flipped it and traded for a complete turbo kit & i hear the goods and the badds about the turbo. i was like hmm i think i'm getting o'l for this stuff. turned around sold it and now i'm stuck to my little solid build 12 5:1 cpr N/A FTW

but with little knowledge of teh b16 blocks for some reasons the stock sleeves on the b16 looks more thicker then the rest of the Bseries except the ITR block.. 4 some odd reason iono y. but b16 should hold more .. but I dont have any xperience on TURBO myself but thats my xperience! :)

[dkjohnson04]

hmmmmmmmmmmm...interesting... i have already decided im just gonna go with the b16! thanks for all the input!

[08turb@x]

im boosting my b16 crx and i have not seen any bad stories on them i have a book on turbo hondas and there is a guy who put 24psi on stock b16 sleaves and he put down 683whp and it held! but when he pushed the boost to 28psi it blew to ****

[scttydb411]

im boosting my b16 crx and i have not seen any bad stories on them i have a book on turbo hondas and there is a guy who put 24psi on stock b16 sleaves and he put down 683whp and it held! but when he pushed the boost to 28psi it blew to ****

it depends on how long he ran it at 24psi. 683whp won't last long on stock sleeves.