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4dmin
09-12-2008, 10:34 AM
Here is the basic definition of what the president does. Now post up why and how you think your candidates are qualified to take on these challenges.


The President of the United States is the head of state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_state) and head of government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_government) of the United States and is the highest political official in United States by influence and recognition. The President is at the head of the executive branch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_%28government%29) of the federal government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States); his role is to enforce national law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law) as given in the Constitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution) and written by Congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress). Article Two of the Constitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution) establishes the President as commander-in-chief (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander-in-chief) of the armed forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_United_States) and enumerates powers specifically granted to the President, including the power to sign into law or veto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veto#United_States) bills passed by both houses of Congress. The President also has the power to create a cabinet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Cabinet) of advisers and to grant pardons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon) or reprieves. Finally, with the "advice and consent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advice_and_consent)" of the Senate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate), the President is empowered to make treaties (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty) and appoint federal officers, ambassadors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambassador), and federal judges (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge), including Justices of the Supreme Court (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States). As with officials in the other branches of the United States government, the Constitution restrains the President with a set of checks and balances (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers) designed to prevent any individual or group from taking absolute power.

discuss.

4dmin
09-12-2008, 10:45 AM
The President is at the head of the executive branch of the federal government; his role is to enforce national law as given in the Constitution and written by Congress.Obama is more than qualified and holds more experience in Constitutional law then anyone on the ticket. Graduating from Havard Law - Practicing + Teaching Civil Rights and Constitutional Law


President as commander-in-chief of the armed forcesObama has already stated he would work with Generals on the front to pursue actions; he has stated he would like to make a time line for troop with drawl and Bush is now coming around to this. He has also stated he thinks we need to refocus on what the war was supposed to be about and focus on Afghanistan.


power to sign into law or veto bills passed by both houses of CongressAnyone can do this but being check with current economic details and will of the people is what matters. The past 4 years haven't been very fruitful b/c of a breakdown between the white house and opposition in the house. Obama will be able to make the most change due to the fact of support in congress.


The President also has the power to create a cabinet of advisers and to grant pardons or reprieves.I think his VP choice says for the type of cabinet he would chose. He chose VP that was qualified and has a good record over choosing someone for strategy to win votes.


President is empowered to make treaties and appoint federal officers, ambassadors, and federal judges, including Justices of the Supreme Court. This is probably one of the most important and we need a democrat before the republicans take away our RIGHT TO CHOOSE.

man
09-12-2008, 10:48 AM
Sounds like pretty much anyone could do it...


This is probably one of the most important and we need a democrat before the republicans take away our RIGHT TO CHOOSE.

Don't get your hopes up, liberals can be just as restrictive as conservatives...

AirMax95
09-12-2008, 10:50 AM
Sounds like pretty much anyone could do it...

Sounds???? Sure, thats like saying anyone can build a motor (turning bolts, etc..), but will it run?

4dmin
09-12-2008, 10:50 AM
Sounds like pretty much anyone could do it...

by definition yes - its the Washington/Global pressure that is the biggest factor.



Don't get your hopes up, liberals can be just as restrictive as conservatives... well if palin had her way your wife/daughters would have to have their children if raped! :goodjob:

man
09-12-2008, 10:50 AM
Sounds???? Sure, thats like saying anyone can build a motor, but will it run?

How often does the shop manager build anything???

Vteckidd
09-12-2008, 10:55 AM
Ehhhhh good post but i think anyone can make an argument for anyone.


The President is at the head of the executive branch of the federal government; his role is to enforce national law as given in the Constitution and written by Congress.

Mccain has sponsored and written a ton of bills, 20 year senate career i think speaks for itself.


President as commander-in-chief of the armed forces

Mccain Military record, nuff said


power to sign into law or veto bills passed by both houses of Congress
Mccain has sponsored and written a ton of bills, 20 year senate career i think speaks for itself.

He has the ability to reach across party lines and will not let Reed and Pelosi be the wack jobs that they are.


The President also has the power to create a cabinet of advisers and to grant pardons or reprieves.

Whether you like it or not, Palin was a good choice, where she is strong is in Oil and Energy.

Biden to me was a horrible choice. Obama preaches this CHANGE platform and he picks the quintessential PARTISAN 30 year INSIDER politician. BIden has NEVER stepped across party lines, has never been about making things work. Hes voted with his party 100000% of the time and he is the same old politics Obama is trying to "CHANGE".


President is empowered to make treaties and appoint federal officers, ambassadors, and federal judges, including Justices of the Supreme Court.

I agree with the womens right to choose, so no argument there.

I will say the vast majority of Conservatives believe in PRO LIFE, when im not for.

AirMax95
09-12-2008, 10:57 AM
Before the Repubs get in here and mutilate this thread, I will say this:

To me, being President, or any leader, takes 3 things...

1) Knowledge in the form of Education
2) Knowledge in the form of Experience
3) Charisma and Character

To me the combination of Obama/Biden ticket follows Paul's post, and the above. Obama has 1 and 3 100%, number 2 is around 50%. Biden has 1 and 2 100%, number 3 is around 75% (mean old man syndrome).

McCain.....he is better of by himself on the ticket. Palin lacks everywhere. McCain has the first 2, not so much number 3, but he could have chosen someone to make up in that area. As said before, McCain shot himself in the foot.

4dmin
09-12-2008, 10:58 AM
Ehhhhh good post but i think anyone can make an argument for anyone.

well this is what we are voting on make your case republicans, democrats, liberals, conservatives, aliens (illegal and extraterrestrial), etc

alpine_aw11
09-12-2008, 01:15 PM
I think McCain is fit for the job, but he really did **** on his campaign by choosing Palin. She basically fails in all aspects of the job that you posted.

man
09-12-2008, 01:18 PM
by definition yes - its the Washington/Global pressure that is the biggest factor.

well if palin had her way your wife/daughters would have to have their children if raped! :goodjob:

And if Obama wins I can get mugged at gunpoint with no way to defend myself...

4dmin
09-12-2008, 01:24 PM
And if Obama wins I can get mugged at gunpoint with no way to defend myself...

let me guess you think Jesus is coming back too?

dude where do you get your infomation? obama is totally for gun CONTROL and supporting the rights of LAW biding americans to own them. he seeks for tougher gun laws to keep them out of the hands of criminals. :screwy: what is wrong w/ that? facts not opinion - b/c i can totally support tougher guns laws.


In 1999, there were 28,874 gun-related deaths in the United States - over 80 deaths every day. (Source: Hoyert DL, Arias E, Smith BL, Murphy SL, Kochanek, KD. Deaths: Final Data for 1999. National Vital Statistics Reports. 2001;49 (8).) ya thats more deaths then our war against terrorism. :goodjob:

DevilK9
09-12-2008, 01:28 PM
Mccain Military record, nuff said

I'm not degrading his service in any way.....but....

I don't believe being shot down, captured, refusing to be released (which wouldn't have happened anyway) and being tortured are qualifications for the executive branch of US Government. They speak accolades to life of a man, but do not make him more apt to lead than the bagger at Publix.

If that were the measure of Presidential qualification, then there are thousands of citizens with similar or harsher backgrounds that should be on the ballot. And just because those credentials got him elected before, doesn't mean a thing to me.

McCain is one of the most unreliable members to ever walk the Senate floor. He calls it reaching across party lines (every time a new lobbyist shows interest in his campaigns or causes), most of us see it as having a lack of real character.

McCain. :2up:

man
09-12-2008, 01:44 PM
let me guess you think Jesus is coming back too?

dude where do you get your infomation? obama is totally for gun CONTROL and supporting the rights of LAW biding americans to own them. he seeks for tougher gun laws to keep them out of the hands of criminals. :screwy: what is wrong w/ that? facts not opinion - b/c i can totally support tougher guns laws.

ya thats more deaths then our war against terrorism. :goodjob:

Huh, Jesus? Not religious dude, sorry. Gun control will only be effective if they can somehow remove EVERY gun from circulation, good luck with that. And I have no problem with abortion, and I HIGHLY doubt it will be illegal under McCain just as I highly doubt gun control would go too far under Obama. This is what I like to call REALISM. You may want to get yours checked out. You seem to have forgotten that these are presidential candidates, not potential dictators...

BanginJimmy
09-12-2008, 01:55 PM
1. Gun control laws only affect those that have the guns legally.

2. Since when doesn palin not have character and charisma? From what I have seen of her she at elast matches that of Obama, if not more. I also noticed that McCain is MUCH more lively with palin on the ticket.

3. Where does Obama prove to have any character? He voted against a ban on partial birth abortions. He voted against a bill to protect babies born after botched abortions. He is friends with domestic terrorists. He has a close friend and spiritual avdisor that is a racist and hates America. He even threw his grandmother under the bus when he was called on on his racist preacher. Charisma? Yea he is a gret speaker when he has the speech in front of him. Take away the teleprompter and he seems to have A LOT of problems getting his points across in an intelligent manner.

DevilK9
09-12-2008, 02:06 PM
I also noticed that McCain is MUCH more lively with palin on the ticket.

Of course. He's rediscovered himself, and that he have jolly jolly "me" time again.

Love that nitro glycerin/viagra mix!!:cry:

4dmin
09-12-2008, 02:18 PM
Huh, Jesus? Not religious dude, sorry. Gun control will only be effective if they can somehow remove EVERY gun from circulation, good luck with that. And I have no problem with abortion, and I HIGHLY doubt it will be illegal under McCain just as I highly doubt gun control would go too far under Obama. This is what I like to call REALISM. You may want to get yours checked out. You seem to have forgotten that these are presidential candidates, not potential dictators...i wouldn't be so sure of this... if conservative republicans could align the right people in office they could more damage then we have seen in the past 4 years.

SPOOLIN
09-14-2008, 05:53 PM
Presidential Candidates should be required to have been in the military for the standard length of time. How can you be in the Commander in Chief of a military for which you have zero experience with.

McCain +1 Points
Obama -1 Points

Total_Blender
09-14-2008, 06:37 PM
Can we also require candidates to have a degree in economics then, as well as international affairs and constitutional law? Since the president shapes our economic and foreign policy and has the power to sign or veto laws I think this is only fair.:taun:

I don't see a lack of military experience as a dealbreaker when it comes to presidents. There are other ways in which to serve one's country that don't get as much glory but are equally purposeful. Constitutional law and community service are at the top of that list. The military isn't for everyone, and sadly those in our country with military experience are in the minority now that we have an all volunteer Army.

AlanŽ
09-14-2008, 06:40 PM
Can we also require candidates to have a degree in economics then, as well as international affairs and constitutional law? Since the president shapes our economic and foreign policy and has the power to sign or veto laws I think this is only fair.:taun:

I don't see a lack of military experience as a dealbreaker when it comes to presidents. There are other ways in which to serve one's country that don't get as much glory but are equally purposeful. Constitutional law and community service are at the top of that list. The military isn't for everyone, and sadly those in our country with military experience are in the minority now that we have an all volunteer Army.
Ok maybe if you have a basic understanding of the chain of command which Obama doesn't :doh:

DevilK9
09-14-2008, 08:24 PM
Presidential Candidates should be required to have been in the military for the standard length of time. How can you be in the Commander in Chief of a military for which you have zero experience with.

McCain +1 Points
Obama -1 Points

You are a narrow minded, ignorant, dumb f/ck if you truly believe this.

So, if someone has a health problem not acceptable to the US Military, then they are disqualified to be President?

Tell that to Roosevelt dumbass.

If Commander in Chief was the only part of the job, we'd be in a real sh/thole. Do the words, S. Korea, Cuba, and Columbia mean anything to you.

Take your basic understanding of the world and shove it up your ass for some fermentation time.

DevilK9
09-14-2008, 08:28 PM
Ok maybe if you have a basic understanding of the chain of command which Obama doesn't :doh:

Care to explain that open-ended, unjustifiable statement with an actual intelligent example. Maybe you'll be smart enough to actually include a truthful, unbiased, unaltered, factual reference of a time he demonstrated a lack of "understanding the chain of command".

And don't say that he can't know cuz he wasn't in the military.:no:

That would only communicate your overall ignorance.

SPOOLIN
09-14-2008, 08:47 PM
lol, i guess an illness or ailment not allowing you to be in the military would count. You already have to be a minimum age, what difference would other regulations make to make sure we have the right person for the job...and yes, they should have education in economics and law, those are good ideas. Pretty much its setup now so ANYONE 35 and older can be president. I know i sure as hell wouldn't want myself as president.

AlanŽ
09-14-2008, 09:15 PM
Care to explain that open-ended, unjustifiable statement with an actual intelligent example. Maybe you'll be smart enough to actually include a truthful, unbiased, unaltered, factual reference of a time he demonstrated a lack of "understanding the chain of command".

And don't say that he can't know cuz he wasn't in the military.:no:

That would only communicate your overall ignorance.
Dude chill the fucc out.

I'd have to go back and find the video but basically the jist of it was about a year ago or so at the beginning of the campaign he was talking about if he got elected on day 1 he would call in his chief of staff(I think is who he said don't quote me on it) and give the order to start withdrawing from Iraq :doh: .

EDIT: BTW You know I am far from ignorant :goodjob: .

SicStang03
09-15-2008, 03:25 AM
I think McCain is fit for the job, but he really did **** on his campaign by choosing Palin. She basically fails in all aspects of the job that you posted.


Thankfully those are presidential duties ;) But choosing Palin was a low blow

4dmin
09-15-2008, 07:38 AM
Presidential Candidates should be required to have been in the military for the standard length of time. How can you be in the Commander in Chief of a military for which you have zero experience with.

McCain +1 Points
Obama -1 Points

then they should have CONSTITUTIONAL law experience

McCain -1
Obama +1

DevilK9
09-15-2008, 08:44 AM
Dude chill the fucc out.

I'd have to go back and find the video but basically the jist of it was about a year ago or so at the beginning of the campaign he was talking about if he got elected on day 1 he would call in his chief of staff(I think is who he said don't quote me on it) and give the order to start withdrawing from Iraq :doh: .

EDIT: BTW You know I am far from ignorant :goodjob: .

I am chill, I'm just learning new discussion techniques from Palin. They're working great.........you f/cking dumbkunt. :taun:

Yes, I know you are far from ignorant, just tryin' to give you a refund on your :2cents:.

Call in the COS and tell them to start withdrawing from Iraq, IMHTFGO is a VERY good use of executive powers, and in no way violates a chain of command...any more than Bushmaster calling in his COS and saying, "Hey ...let's invade and bomb the f/ck out of a soverign country for no reason...no...let's make up a reason...damn you're doin' a heckuva job!"

I like you GT...you make my days interesting. :cheers:

4dmin
09-15-2008, 09:02 AM
I am chill, I'm just learning new discussion techniques from Palin. They're working great.........you f/cking dumbkunt. :taun:

Yes, I know you are far from ignorant, just tryin' to give you a refund on your :2cents:.

Call in the COS and tell them to start withdrawing from Iraq, IMHTFGO is a VERY good use of executive powers, and in no way violates a chain of command...any more than Bushmaster calling in his COS and saying, "Hey ...let's invade and bomb the f/ck out of a soverign country for no reason...no...let's make up a reason...damn you're doin' a heckuva job!"

I like you GT...you make my days interesting. :cheers:

:lmfao:

AirMax95
09-15-2008, 09:08 AM
Guys, for you to think that 1 person is going to have ALL the know how from Econ to Military command (and everything in between), you are going to dissapoint yourself. Thats what the freaking advisors are for.

On Obama, I know that he is OPEN MINDED enough to surround himself with people that hold the knowledge that he lacks. His military advisor will know ALL he needs to make a decision. Also, he is smart enough to educate himself in the meanwhile.

The same can be said for McCain. He knows he sucks at Econ, so I have faith that he will choose someone whose core compentancy is in Economics.

4dmin
09-15-2008, 09:13 AM
Guys, for you to think that 1 person is going to have ALL the know how from Econ to Military command (and everything in between), you are going to dissapoint yourself. Thats what the freaking advisors are for.

On Obama, I know that he is OPEN MINDED enough to surround himself with people that hold the knowledge that he lacks. His military advisor will know ALL he needs to make a decision. Also, he is smart enough to educate himself in the meanwhile.

The same can be said for McCain. He knows he sucks at Econ, so I have faith that he will choose someone whose core compentancy is in Economics.

that's a bold statement considering his VP pick. in the words of obama "you can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig" :goodjob:

AirMax95
09-15-2008, 09:14 AM
that's a bold statement considering his VP pick. in the words of obama "you can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig" :goodjob:

Hey hey, I said FAITH. I am putting that in God's hand!

DevilK9
09-15-2008, 09:21 AM
Guys, for you to think that 1 person is going to have ALL the know how from Econ to Military command (and everything in between), you are going to dissapoint yourself.

CHUCK NORRIS FOR PRESIDENT FTMFW!!!!!

Total_Blender
09-15-2008, 11:52 AM
Ok maybe if you have a basic understanding of the chain of command which Obama doesn't :doh:

Care to provide a source for that info?

I agree with the others, the president's advisers will provide what is lacking from actual military experience. The golden boy of the GOP himself (Ronald Reagan) relied on his advisers and his staff heavily.

Mik2006
09-15-2008, 03:09 PM
And if Obama wins I can get mugged at gunpoint with no way to defend myself...

and whos stopping anyone from doing it if mccain he gets into possition. then tell think you do have a gun and shoot you without notice.

AznTraitor
09-15-2008, 07:27 PM
I can't wait till Obama waves his magic wand to fix this country, I mean....gosh...why didn't he run sooner! I mean, sunshine, rainbows, and stickers if Obama is president.

Total_Blender
09-16-2008, 07:19 AM
So, if someone has a health problem not acceptable to the US Military, then they are disqualified to be President?

Tell that to Roosevelt dumbass.
.

Actually Roosevelt served in WWI and after that he was Secretary of the Navy for years before seeking the presidency. His health problems didn't start untill later in his life. I get your point, but your example is not 100% correct:goodjob:

DevilK9
09-16-2008, 07:43 AM
Actually Roosevelt served in WWI and after that he was Secretary of the Navy for years before seeking the presidency. His health problems didn't start untill later in his life. I get your point, but your example is not 100% correct:goodjob:

Yes, you are right there. Oversight on my part.

Glad you got the gist though.

DrivenMind
09-16-2008, 10:22 AM
The President of the United States is the head of state and head of government of the United States and is the highest political official in United States by influence and recognition. The President is at the head of the executive branch of the federal government; his role is to enforce national law as given in the Constitution and written by Congress.

Graduate of Harvard, Head of Harvard Law Review, and Constitutional Law Teacher vs. Another Politician Who Passes Bills, and graduated near the bottom of his class.


Article Two of the Constitution establishes the President as commander-in-chief of the armed forces and enumerates powers specifically granted to the President, including the power to sign into law or veto bills passed by both houses of Congress.

You don't have to have experience crashing military aircraft, or getting captured by the enemy during a conflict period to know how the military works, or how to lead it. Edit: Don't we have generals for actually leading the branches of the military? We aren't living in the revolutionary war era anymore, we don't need a General leading our country.


The President also has the power to create a cabinet of advisers and to grant pardons or reprieves. Finally, with the "advice and consent" of the Senate, the President is empowered to make treaties and appoint federal officers, ambassadors, and federal judges, including Justices of the Supreme Court. As with officials in the other branches of the United States government, the Constitution restrains the President with a set of checks and balances designed to prevent any individual or group from taking absolute power.

Sounds like we might need someone mild mannered, and articulate for that one too. A solid education, and actual knowledge of law could prove to be a must have asset.

AirMax95
09-16-2008, 10:28 AM
:cheers:
Graduate of Harvard, Head of Harvard Law Review, and Constitutional Law Teacher vs. Another Politician Who Passes Bills, and graduated near the bottom of his class.



You don't have to have experience crashing military aircraft, or getting captured by the enemy during a conflict period to know how the military works, or how to lead it.



Sounds like we might need someone mild mannered, and articulate for that one too. A solid education, and actual knowledge of law might could prove to be a must have asset.

AWESOME!!!!!