Who Puts A 2JZ Into An FD???

[Elbow]

Why would anyone put a 2JZ into a FD? :???: :???:

Dumb swap IMO

[Catnip]

That's stupid, like putting a discussion about cars in the WL instead of the car talk section.

[Nemesis]

why would you put a 2JZ in an s2000? Seriously.... thats a dumb swap if you ask me.

[Stormhammer]

because you ****ing can

why would you put an F20C into an AE86? Or an NSX?

[alpine_aw11]

I'd drive a 2jz'd fd... Wouldn't do the swap personally, but whatever the owner wants is what they want. At least it's a good motor.

[EuroTra$h]

uhh because it would be bad ass hah ha :goodjob:

[OneSlow5pt0]

20B FD = the titties
26B FD = OMG I CANT BELIEVE SOMEONE DID THAT *faints

[Sport1.3]

Anything is better than a rotary

[PURP]

Who cares... it's not yours...

[mocha latte cupcake]

Why would you drive a rx.... thats stupid. :ninja:

[Elbow]

20B FD = the titties
26B FD = OMG I CANT BELIEVE SOMEONE DID THAT *faints

EXACTLY.

[Elbow]

Anything is better than a rotary

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa no.

[OneSlow5pt0]

Why would you drive a rx.... thats stupid. :ninja:

no redline > 9k redline:goodjob:

[Sport1.3]

i dont agree with that exact chassis, but the motor is bullet proof to the enth degree, has a gigantic aftermarket, decently easy to source, make astounding power, sound 1st class, and swapped in a lighter vehicle can absolutely fly!

[Sport1.3]

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa no.

prove me wrong.

LSX swap > any rotary


you can keep your piece of junk, oil burning, gas guzzling, weed wacker sounding, leaf blower tq making, wankel garbage :D

[Sport1.3]

no redline > 9k redline:goodjob:


making midrange power > 219380129381 rpm redline

[Sport1.3]

a 20b swap would cost more than a 2jz swap......just so you know

[EJ25RUN]

i dont agree with that exact chassis, but the motor is bullet proof to the enth degree, has a gigantic aftermarket, decently easy to source, make astounding power, sound 1st class, and swapped in a lighter vehicle can absolutely fly!
A 2jz weights 500+ pounds and it is as most Inline 6s are, very long. Not all that great for handling. Yes, if all you understand is straight line than that is the motor for you but otherwise, i think it makes a car too front heavy.

[Sport1.3]

A 2jz weights 500+ pounds and it is as most Inline 6s are, very long. Not all that great for handling. Yes, if all you understand is straight line than that is the motor for you but otherwise, i think it makes a car too front heavy.


handling was never really brought up in the discussion, but For daily driving purposes the 2j is more reliable, more fuel efficient, and has low end tq for days

[Elbow]

prove me wrong.

LSX swap > any rotary


you can keep your piece of junk, oil burning, gas guzzling, weed wacker sounding, leaf blower tq making, wankel garbage :D

So you are saying no rotary is better then a LSX swap into a FD? So if I had a R26B in a FD that wouldn't beat a stock LS?

[OneSlow5pt0]

N/A 2.6L = over 700hp

lol

[blackboi50]

why would u put an RB26 in a mustang???:thinking:........oh yea!!! :doh:......1

[Psycho]

Anything is better than a rotary
x2 rx7's are cool cars, but the reliability is ****

[EJ25RUN]

handling was never really brought up in the discussion, but For daily driving purposes the 2j is more reliable, more fuel efficient, and has low end tq for days

That is just how i look at a car. I know it wasn't brought up but balance is more important than anything else to me. Now a rotary isn't very light either. I'm pretty sure an LS1 weights less than both and is more reliable than both.

[Sport1.3]

So you are saying no rotary is better then a LSX swap into a FD? So if I had a R26B in a FD that wouldn't beat a stock LS?


well there was never a car manufactured with a R26B, but if we're going to go there we can......if you're adding 2 rotors than i could easily add displacement, more aggressive tune, aftermarket power adders etc etc...or hell if you're going for a fully race/purpose built motor why not a LS7R or LS9....the LS will always make more power/dollar, its less than 100Lbs heavier than a stock 13b rew......and most importantly it has proven reliability

[Ed]

was this thread created because of a user on here? i saw some guy on here that has a 2jz fd... his sig is something stupid like 2jz + fd = your gf and me or some dumb **** like that.

it's a cool swap though, but i'd go with a lsx or a 3 rotor.

[OneSlow5pt0]

i agree LS6 would been betetr swap than a 2jz

[Sport1.3]

N/A 2.6L = over 700hp

lol


technically (and i know rotor heads will debate this till the cows come home) the 13b is a 2.6 liter. the engine makes more than 1 power stroke per revolution. so its more like a 5 liter+ making 700hp....which is still amazing, but nothing mind blowing

[EJ25RUN]

Yes, in the $/HP debate a Chevy V8 is usually always the best option. I think i read somewhere SCOOT will build you an R26B for $20,000+. Another thing about a rotary. If the right person builds it, it can last a very very long time under the toughest conditions.

[Sport1.3]

That is just how i look at a car. I know it wasn't brought up but balance is more important than anything else to me. Now a rotary isn't very light either. I'm pretty sure an LS1 weights less than both and is more reliable than both.


i dont really remember the specifics, but back when i had my FC the swap into a FD was heavier by about 30 lbs or so....but that was without any creature comforts like a/c p/s etc

[Catnip]

Another thing about a rotary. If the right person builds it, it can last a very very long time under the toughest conditions.

Same with DSM's, that don't mean sht.



:lmfao:

[EJ25RUN]

Same with DSM's, that don't mean sht.
:lmfao:

Sorry but yes it does. Very few mechanics are properly trained to work on a Rotary and not many diy mechanics are up to it either. A rotary is not a failed item from the factory like the 7 bolt dsm was.

[Catnip]

Sorry but yes it does. Very few mechanics are properly trained to work on a Rotary and not many diy mechanics are up to it either. A rotary is not a failed item from the factory like the 7 bolt dsm was.

Sorry, but if there's 3 guys that can make a rotary reliable, that's not win.
IDC about no damn 7 bolts. BTW, bad mpg, high temps, and no reliability (except the few...) is not success.... in fact I think it's called inefficiency.

[Nemesis]

Id swap a D16 into an FD to be originalllllllllllllll lol

[Sport1.3]

Id swap a D16 into an FD to be originalllllllllllllll lol


lulz like a 4age Supra

[OneSlow5pt0]

lulz like a 4age Supra

3sgte eclipse FTW

[The Ninja]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to cgEvan again.

[EJ25RUN]

Sorry, but if there's 3 guys that can make a rotary reliable, that's not win.
IDC about no damn 7 bolts. BTW, bad mpg, high temps, and no reliability (except the few...) is not success.... in fact I think it's called inefficiency.

Think of it like a two stroke, there are easier ways to do something, but you prove more when you take the challenge. And i probably bring this up to much but at Le Mans, no one has a better finishing record than Rotary Mazdas.

[Sport1.3]

3sgte eclipse FTW


lol

Im a toyota man, but i'll have to bow out of swapping out a 4g63 for anything but another 4g63 :D

[OneSlow5pt0]

lol

Im a toyota man, but i'll have to bow out of swapping out a 4g63 for anything but another 4g63 :D

wanna get another 6th gen celica and swap a 3sge beams or 3sgte in........or maybe a 4age blacktop

[Catnip]

Think of it like a two stroke, there are easier ways to do something, but you prove more when you take the challenge. And i probably bring this up to much but at Le Mans, no one has a better finishing record than Rotary Mazdas.


The only races I've watched with rotaries and pistons motors, the rotary cars dropped back about 5 places when the track went uphill :lmfao:

[Sport1.3]

Think of it like a two stroke, there are easier ways to do something, but you prove more when you take the challenge.


there are also hundreds of capable rotary builders, even in the state of GA (we are home to Downing after all)....though most will be found in the aviation field. Rotaries are very popular in small prop type personal aircrafts.

[Catnip]

Rotaries are very popular in small prop type personal aircrafts.

Is that why them bishes always crashin?

[Elbow]

I do like LS swapped FD's...

It's just a 2JZ swapped FD seems weird.

I know people and have heard of cars with rotaries running for a LONG time if you take care of them PROPERLLY.

[OneSlow5pt0]

well when i see another japanesse car win le mans ill give them respect

until then mazda > all others

[EJ25RUN]

The only races I've watched with rotaries and pistons motors, the rotary cars dropped back about 5 places when the track went uphill :lmfao:

I'm not gonna respond cause you obviously haven't a clue, do you really not know anything about racing or are you just being ignorant?

[Elbow]

I'm not gonna respond cause you obviously haven't a clue, do you really not know anything about racing or are you just being ignorant?

lol my thought as well.

[EJ25RUN]

well when i see another japanesse car win le mans ill give them respect

until then mazda > all others

Nissan, Toyota, and Honda all spent millions and millions and Mazda won with a car that wasn't even in the highest class.

[OneSlow5pt0]

Nissan, Toyota, and Honda all spent millions and millions and Mazda won with a car that wasn't even in the highest class.

i guess cause rotary is worthless:rolleyes:

[Catnip]

I'm not gonna respond cause you obviously haven't a clue, do you really not know anything about racing or are you just being ignorant?


Like I said, the races I've seen with both rotary cars and piston cars, the rotaries always dropped back when they had to go uphill. The commentator (sp?) said something to the effect of, "if you pay attention when the track goes uphill, you will notice the rotary powered cars always lose a couple places."

I don't know what is ignorant about anything I said, except the plane crashing comment... but I was joking with that.

[EJ25RUN]

i guess cause rotary is worthless:rolleyes:

Sauber-Mercedes, Jaguar, Peugeot, Kremer Porsche, all lost to the 787B (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir-03gc1LPM)

[EJ25RUN]

Like I said, the races I've seen with both rotary cars and piston cars, the rotaries always dropped back when they had to go uphill. The commentator (sp?) said something to the effect of, "if you pay attention when the track goes uphill, you will notice the rotary powered cars always lose a couple places."

I don't know what is ignorant about anything I said, except the plane crashing comment... but I was joking with that.

then watch what i posted in previous post. That is a 1000 hp Mercedes C11

And here is a link to everyone else that lost.

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Le_Mans-1991-06-23-photo.html

http://www.mazda.com/mazdaspirit/rotary/event/img/event03_9.jpg

The Norton TT F1 champs
http://www.nationalmotorcyclemuseum.co.uk/AdvHTML_Upload/A_line_up_15_7_07_Small.jpg

PETE HALSMER GTU Champion
http://i.pbase.com/v3/61/35561/2/49696553.13.jpg

[Catnip]

then watch what i posted in previous link. That is a 1000 hp Mercedes C11

And here is a link to everyone else that lost.

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Le_Mans-1991-06-23-photo.html

I would, but a rotary motor with 100k+ miles would be faster than my internet.




:ninja:

[Sport1.3]

The only races I've watched with rotaries and pistons motors, the rotary cars dropped back about 5 places when the track went uphill :lmfao:


oh burn! lol


they arent horrible in stock classes....i just have a personal grudge against them being a previous owner. Though i still like the cars

[EJ25RUN]

I would, but a rotary motor with 100k+ miles would be faster than my internet.
:ninja:

2008 Daytona 24 hour GT class winner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk7hcjX8fVU

http://images.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/images/photographs/vehicles/RX8/img_models_rx8Rolex24_1.jpg

[Ronsam2006]

Sorry but yes it does. Very few mechanics are properly trained to work on a Rotary and not many diy mechanics are up to it either. A rotary is not a failed item from the factory like the 7 bolt dsm was.
The Renesis motor from the Rx-8 was definitely a fail. Sure the 7 bolt has its fualts, but which motor doesn't. The 6 bolt 4G63 however, was probably the best 4 cylinder turbo motor ever built.

[EJ25RUN]

And then there is this car that can do oh so much with 300hp.

RE Amemiya Racing Asparadrink Mazda RX-7 FD3S

http://www.imca-slotracing.com/images/GT300-7.jpg

The 2006 GT300 champion car and winner of round 1 in 2008.

[Sport1.3]

And then there is this car that can do oh so much with 300hp.

RE Amemiya Racing Asparadrink Mazda RX-7 FD3S

http://www.imca-slotracing.com/images/GT300-7.jpg

The 2006 GT300 champion car and winner of round 1 in 2008.


What about the GT500 class :D

[EJ25RUN]

The Renesis motor from the Rx-8 was definitely a fail. Sure the 7 bolt has its fualts, but which motor doesn't. The 6 bolt 4G63 however, was probably the best 4 cylinder turbo motor ever built.

I'll explain to you why it wasn;t a fail. Compare it to the N/A 13b that came before it. Compare how much worse the emissions were from that engine to the Renesis. Why else did it win so many awards.

i hate to quote wiki but......

These and other innovative technologies allow the Renesis to achieve 49% higher output and dramatically reduced fuel consumption and emissions (the RX-8 meets LEV-II). It won International Engine of the Year and Best New Engine awards 2003 and also holds the "2.5 to 3 litre" size award for 2003 and 2004, where it is considered a 2.60 L engine. Finally, it was on the Ward's 10 Best Engines list for 2004 and 2005.

The Renesis has also been adapted for a dual-fuel use, allowing it to run either on gasoline or hydrogen.


4G63 is a turbo motor so efficiency cant be compared to an N/A motor. And Honda's F22c is still the highest HP/Liter ever on that front.

[YoshiFD3S]

f*CK YOU HATERS~!!!!

BAHAHHAHAHHAA

*points to his signature*

[EJ25RUN]

What about the GT500 class :D

You are smart enough to know that the GT500 class was created to let the manufactures have a field to compete with unlimited budgets. That is why 2008 GT500 class cars have superior Aero to ACO/FIA GT1 class race cars and the only thing faster around a race track than a GT500 car with closed fenders is a prototype. A tuner like RE Amemiya can't afford a 100 million a year budget on a racing sport. That is why GT300 is fought amongst high end tuner companies.

I mean.....remember my front engined NSX prototype Honda is testing? And to those that say, "we'll isn't MR better weight distribution" go read the GT500 rule book to understand.

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/lemondowner2003/imgs/f/5/f56f874c.jpg

[Sport1.3]

You are smart enough to know that the GT500 class was created to let the manufactures have a field to compete with unlimited budgets. That is why 2008 GT500 class cars have superior Aero to ACO/FIA GT1 class race cars and the only thing faster around a race track than a GT500 car with closed fenders is a prototype. A tuner like RE Amemiya can't afford a 100 million a year budget on a racing sport. That is why GT300 is fought amongst high end tuner companies.

I mean.....remember my front engined NSX prototype Honda is testing? And to those that say, "we'll isn't MR better weight distribution" go read the GT500 rule book to understand.

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/lemondowner2003/imgs/f/5/f56f874c.jpg
:D

no factory backing huh?

remember not even too long ago Toyota was using heavily modified 3sgte's instead of the 6 cylinders......they were retarded fast......then led to a custom 1 off v8 specifically made for the series....and again Domination......its insane the steps they take and or are allowed to take in that series.....but its still insanely competitive and fun to watch :yes:

[1439/2000]

Sorry, but if there's 3 guys that can make a rotary reliable, that's not win.
IDC about no damn 7 bolts. BTW, bad mpg, high temps, and no reliability (except the few...) is not success.... in fact I think it's called inefficiency.

Don't run your mouth.

I get 32 mpg hwy, make 330whp with the stock turbo on a streetport, and haven't had any issues no matter how hard I beat on it.

That plus colonwrecking new DSM people that don't know who I am am is ****ing funny.

[Sport1.3]

Don't run your mouth.

I get 32 mpg hwy, make 330whp with the stock turbo on a streetport, and haven't had any issues no matter how hard I beat on it.

That plus colonwrecking new DSM people that don't know who I am am is ****ing funny.



have fun with your carbon lock see ya in 6 months :D









i kid, i wouldnt wish that on anyone

[EJ25RUN]

:D
no factory backing huh?
remember not even too long ago Toyota was using heavily modified 3sgte's instead of the 6 cylinders......they were retarded fast......then led to a custom 1 off v8 specifically made for the series....and again Domination......its insane the steps they take and or are allowed to take in that series.....but its still insanely competitive and fun to watch :yes:

That motor went in to a Front engine rear drive celica which has now become a mid engined IS-F...notice the air scoop on roof and doors.

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/AntonioAlvendia/Japan/Super%20GT%20Suzuka%202008/Super%20GT%20action/IMG_5649_Bandoh%20IS350%20copy.jpg

The GTR is also running a 4.5L V8 with a F/R setup

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Rod%20Chong/racing/SuperGT/C13B0372.jpghttp://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/02/nismo_v8.jpg

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Rod%20Chong/racing/SuperGT/C13B0102.jpg
the "current" NSX uses a longitudinal Mugen made C32 and new to the series BMW has shoehorned a V8 into a Z4

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Rod%20Chong/racing/SuperGT/C13B0082.jpg

In 2008, im most happy that a TRUE 4WD car has finally won a race since the R34 dropped the RB26 and 4WD for a 3.0tt v6 with F/R.

Symmetric AWD at that. :D
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Rod%20Chong/racing/SuperGT/C13B0338.jpg

[man]

Why would you drive a rx.... thats stupid. :ninja:
:piss: :yourock:

:liar:


:D :taun:

[Sport1.3]

good info/pics :D

[David88vert]

I've probably owned more rotarys than anyone else on this board. I've had several that made over 200K without any engine problems. Out of all of them, one one motor has blown, and that was at the track, and due to my fault. It still drive home from Moroso - and was driving around a month later without a rebuild. Rotarys are reliable if you know how to maintain them.

2JZs are also good reliable motors, but I prefer to keep them in Supras. There is nothing wrong with the Supra either, it's just a different shell.

[Brick]

Anything is better than a rotary

What he said.

[Z33_kid]

maybe they want to be somewhat unique n get on a magazine or something

[Elbow]

What he said.

Yeah you are smart :no:

[EJ25RUN]

maybe they want to be somewhat unique n get on a magazine or something

That seems to be the trend i guess. Am i the only one that thinks motor swaps should atleast come from the same car brand.






Anybody?

[alpine_aw11]

That seems to be the trend i guess. Am i the only one that thinks motor swaps should atleast come from the same car brand.






Anybody?

It depends on how you look at it. Some people will like the chassis of a car, but maybe their favorite motor to work with comes from a different car brand. You can't really speak for everyone on this issue, some people will have legitimate reasons for doing these kinds of swaps. Like this guy, maybe he doesn't prefer a rotary engine, but loves the FD chassis, which happens to be arguably the best to ever come out of Japan. And the 2jz, you can't really argue with that motor except for the weight issue. It's complicated, but it really depends on what the owner wants and I think that's all that matters. What I think the best example for this is Jeeps. A Chevy V8 swap is extremely common, and also very easy to do. The inline 6 can only do so much, and the only other options are from the old CJ's and modern GC's, and those V8's don't compare to the Chevy 350 as far as reliability and ease of modification are concerned.

[EJ25RUN]

It depends on how you look at it. Some people will like the chassis of a car, but maybe their favorite motor to work with comes from a different car brand. You can't really speak for everyone on this issue, some people will have legitimate reasons for doing these kinds of swaps. Like this guy, maybe he doesn't prefer a rotary engine, but loves the FD chassis, which happens to be arguably the best to ever come out of Japan. And the 2jz, you can't really argue with that motor except for the weight issue. It's complicated, but it really depends on what the owner wants and I think that's all that matters.

Basically a kit car mindframe.

[alpine_aw11]

Basically a kit car mindframe.

I don't know if that's an insult, but regardless I would love to built a kit car some day if I ever have the time and money.

[Ronsam2006]

I'll explain to you why it wasn;t a fail. Compare it to the N/A 13b that came before it. Compare how much worse the emissions were from that engine to the Renesis. Why else did it win so many awards.

i hate to quote wiki but......

These and other innovative technologies allow the Renesis to achieve 49% higher output and dramatically reduced fuel consumption and emissions (the RX-8 meets LEV-II). It won International Engine of the Year and Best New Engine awards 2003 and also holds the "2.5 to 3 litre" size award for 2003 and 2004, where it is considered a 2.60 L engine. Finally, it was on the Ward's 10 Best Engines list for 2004 and 2005.

The Renesis has also been adapted for a dual-fuel use, allowing it to run either on gasoline or hydrogen.


4G63 is a turbo motor so efficiency cant be compared to an N/A motor. And Honda's F22c is still the highest HP/Liter ever on that front.
So what are the NA Rx-7s good for? Saying they have low displacement along with low HP tied with horrible gas mileage?

[EJ25RUN]

So what are the NA Rx-7s good for? Saying they have low displacement along with low HP tied with horrible gas mileage?

Not necessarily. You add a 1 more rotor and have a NA motor with 450hp (20b) or add add a 2nd rotor (r26b) and you are north of 600hp. Lightly built and tuned obviously.

I guessing the way you see hp and performance, yes a 1.2 or a 1.3 N/A rotary are just not good enough.

[Catnip]

Not necessarily. You add a 1 more rotor and have a NA motor with 450hp (20b) or add add a 2nd rotor (r26b) and you are north of 600hp. Lightly built and tuned obviously.

I guessing the way you see hp and performance, yes a 1.2 or a 1.3 N/A rotary are just not good enough.


Correct me if I'm wrong, because well, I know nothing of rotaries :D , but aren't multiple rotor motors pretty large... like stuffing an inline 6 in or something?

[redrumracer]

lsx in a rx is > that all other motors put in it.. and dont give me weight bs, the ls is an aluminum motor and is lighter that the stock equipment and they have kits to bolt it right in.

[B_Hoov]

i have seen a rotary in a chevelle...and a nova...and the mustang with the rb from 3fast and furious...seems anything goes now days...

[Sport1.3]

Correct me if I'm wrong, because well, I know nothing of rotaries :D , but aren't multiple rotor motors pretty large... like stuffing an inline 6 in or something?


Rotaries arent light....not at all. its their compact size that gives them an advantage, they can be pushed further back toward the firewall to achieve that 50/50 weight balance. Adding additional rotors does indeed hinder that balance.....but there are always means of adjusting suspension components to compensate

[Black R]

has anyone on here actually DRIVEN a 2jz swapped fd? On a road course?

:/

[Sport1.3]

has anyone on here actually DRIVEN a 2jz swapped fd? On a road course?

:/


99.9% have not

.1% may lie and say they have :D

[EJ25RUN]

has anyone on here actually DRIVEN a 2jz swapped fd? On a road course?
:/

Not the best question because there are those of us on here that have never driven an open wheeler but can explain exactly what it does and how it does on a race track.

[Black R]

i guess you could also explain second-hand how to give birth too.

[OneSlow5pt0]

Not necessarily. You add a 1 more rotor and have a NA motor with 450hp (20b) or add add a 2nd rotor (r26b) and you are north of 600hp. Lightly built and tuned obviously.

I guessing the way you see hp and performance, yes a 1.2 or a 1.3 N/A rotary are just not good enough.

12A get pretty good gas milage,but RX-7s were never built to be straight line car,which is why the rotary is good road course engine ebcause of the smooth tq curve throughout the RPMs........hell USDM FDs only ran low 14s high 13s stock.....these road course cars through and through

[David88vert]

Rotaries arent light....not at all. its their compact size that gives them an advantage, they can be pushed further back toward the firewall to achieve that 50/50 weight balance. Adding additional rotors does indeed hinder that balance.....but there are always means of adjusting suspension components to compensate

Actually, a 12a or 13b shortblock is a lot lighter than a V6 or V8. I've moved plenty of them around over the years.

[Sport1.3]

Actually, a 12a or 13b shortblock is a lot lighter than a V6 or V8. I've moved plenty of them around over the years.


The LS1/T56 is about the same weight as a 13Brew/tranny, and LIGHTER then a 20B/tranny.... the difference in the LS1 is about 30-90lbs depending on accessories still used. At 100lbs heavier thats still only a 3% increase in the cars total weight :dunno:

The cast iron/AL head engines are around 150 lbs heaver (with a T56) and around 225-250 lbs heavier with an auto (though the rotary is heavier with an auto too, obviously).

[Ran]

Anything is better than a rotary:stupid:

[David88vert]

The LS1/T56 is about the same weight as a 13Brew/tranny, and LIGHTER then a 20B/tranny.... the difference in the LS1 is about 30-90lbs depending on accessories still used. At 100lbs heavier thats still only a 3% increase in the cars total weight :dunno:

The cast iron/AL head engines are around 150 lbs heaver (with a T56) and around 225-250 lbs heavier with an auto (though the rotary is heavier with an auto too, obviously).

A shortblock 13B is a lot lighter and easier to move than a shortblock LS1 - if neither is on a stand of course. I have moved both plenty of times, and both are a lot lighter than a 302 or similar block.
I actually had a stock auto tranny that was in a 20B Cosmo. It's about the same weight as the T56.

Personally, I prefer keeping rotarys in the RX7s, and keeping 2JZs in Toyotas. You can make good reliable power with either motor.