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I.G.R Epyon
09-09-2008, 12:22 AM
Saw this and wander what opinions others had
I say since I have no control over it F##k it!!!

By Elizabeth Landau
CNN


(CNN) -- Deep underground on the border between France and Switzerland, the world's largest particle accelerator complex will explore the world on smaller scales than any human invention has explored before.


The collider's ALICE experiment will look at how the universe formed by analyzing particle collisions.

The Large Hadron Collider will look at how the universe formed by analyzing particle collisions. Some have expressed fears that the project could lead to the Earth's demise -- something scientists say will not happen. Still, skeptics have filed suit to try to stop the project.

It even has a rap dedicated to it on YouTube.

Scientists say the collider is finally ready for an attempt to circulate a beam of protons the whole way around the 17-mile tunnel. The test, which takes place Wednesday, is a major step toward seeing if the the immense experiment will provide new information about the way the universe works.

"It's really a generation that we've been looking forward to this moment, and the moments that will come after it in particular," said Bob Cousins, deputy to the scientific leader of the Compact Muon Solenoid experiment, one of six experiments inside the collider complex. "September 10 is a demarcation between finishing the construction and starting to turn it on, but the excitement will only continue to grow."

The collider consists of a particle accelerator buried more than 300 feet near Geneva, Switzerland. About $10 billion have gone into the accelerator's construction, the particle detectors and the computers, said Katie Yurkewicz, spokewoman for CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, which is host to the collider.

In the coming months, the collider is expected to begin smashing particles into each other by sending two beams of protons around the tunnel in opposite directions. It will operate at higher energies and intensities in the next year, and the experiments could generate enough data to make a discovery by 2009, experts say. Check out the collider complex's six detectors »

Testing the unknown

Experts say the collider has the potential to confirm theories about questions that physicists have been working on for decades including the possible existence of extra dimensions. They also hope to find a theoretical particle called the Higgs boson, which has never been detected, but would help explain why matter has mass.


The collider will recreate the conditions of less than a millionth of a second after the Big Bang, when there was a hot "soup" of tiny particles called quarks and gluons, to look at how the universe evolved, said John Harris, U.S. coordinator for ALICE, a detector specialized to analyze that question.

Since this is exploratory science, the collider may uncover surprises that contradict prevailing theories, but which are just as interesting, said Joseph Lykken, theoretical physicist at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory.

"When Columbus sails west, he thought he was going to find something. He didn't find what he thought he was going to find, but he did find something interesting," said Lykken, who works on the Compact Muon Solenoid, one of six experiments inside the collider complex.

Why should the layperson care about this particular exploration? Years ago, when electrons were first identified, no one knew what they were good for, but they have since transformed our entire economy, said Howard Gordon, deputy research program manager for the collider's ATLAS experiment.

"The transformative effect of this research will be to understand the world we live in much better," said Gordon, at Brookhaven National Laboratory. "It's important for just who we are, what we are."

Black hole fears are "baloney"

Fears have emerged that the collider could produce black holes that could suck up anything around them -- including the whole Earth. Such fears prompted legal actions in the U.S. and Europe to halt the operation of the Large Hadron Collider, alleging safety concerns regarding black holes and other phenomena that could theoretically emerge.

Although physicists acknowledge that the collider could, in theory, create small black holes, they say they do not pose any risk. A study released Friday by CERN scientists explains that any black hole created would be tiny, and would not have enough energy to stick around very long before dissolving. Five collider collaborators who did not pen the report independently told CNN there would be no danger from potential black holes.

John Huth, who works on the collider's ATLAS experiment, called such fears "baloney" in a recent interview, and noted that in normal physics, even if the black hole were stable, it could just pass through the Earth without being detected or without interacting at all.

"The gravitational force is so weak that you'd have to wait many, many, many, many, many lifetimes of the universe before one of these things could [get] big enough to even get close to being a problem," said Huth, professor of physics at Harvard University.

At the scene

When visiting the general-purpose detectors CMS and ATLAS at the Large Hadron Collider, Lykken said he was awed that 30,000 tons of electronics would have to work without anyone fiddling with them all the time.

"It just blows you away to look at these things and realize they're not only incredibly complex and huge, but they have to actually work," he said. "They have to work without people banging on them all day because they're sitting underground all by themselves."

With twice as much iron as the Eiffel Tower, CMS will run at full power for the first time in conjunction with the first beam test Wednesday, Lykken said. The magnet serves to bend particles, whizzing by at almost the speed of light, to figure out what kind of particles they are.

Although the detector's parts weigh thousands of tons, in previous trials of CMS at lower power, the magnet actually yanked certain parts around because of its power, Lykken said.

"You're talking about such incredible power inside both the accelerator and detectors that you never really know until you turn it all on what's going to happen," he said.

Scientists around the world are pumped for the first beam. Fermilab, the high energy physics lab in Batavia, Illinois, and major collaborator on the Large Hadron Collider, will be host of a "pajama party" at 1:30 a.m. CT that includes a live connection to CERN to follow the action.


Cousins believes that because the collider pushes the frontiers of science and technology, it would be "amazingly impressive if it works the first try," he said in a phone interview from CERN. Any little disturbance of the magnetic field anywhere in the tunnel could stop the beam from making it all the way around.

Still, after a 25-year wait, he's not complaining. "I personally will be fine if there's some problem that has to be overcome in the next few days," he said.

Me86Rob
09-09-2008, 12:31 AM
after the ass raping i took tonight, im welcoming the end. lol but really c'mon they are scientists. they know what they are doing. we'll be aight

Deke
09-09-2008, 01:13 AM
Sounds exciting. Thanks for putting this on my radar, I'm going to have to read into this more :)

NewGen33
09-09-2008, 02:48 AM
after the ass raping i took tonight, im welcoming the end. lol but really c'mon they are scientists. they know what they are doing. we'll be aight
So did the ones who invented the nuclear bomb and look at the world now.

quickdodge®
09-09-2008, 05:25 AM
Old news. Been posted and reposted on here for almost a year now. Later, QD.

Mike Lowrey
09-09-2008, 06:28 AM
Repost of a repost......

Go home....

Brett
09-09-2008, 06:30 AM
Wouldnt be Wedensday anyways, when the power the system up that day, They will not be doing a full power up, it will be over the next few months before they get it fully up. I have been doing alot of research on this and one thing I am very eager to see is if they can open a door way or get data to back up the theory of alternate dimensions. As far as black holes being produced, Thats people being paranoid

ShooterMcGavin
09-09-2008, 07:37 AM
cliffs? i don't wanna read all that sh*t :D

b18hb
09-09-2008, 08:06 AM
So did the ones who invented the nuclear bomb and look at the world now.

it would have been invented by one person or another, imagine what the world would be like if it were some extremist group rather than the us.

DJ Maestro
09-09-2008, 08:11 AM
Cliffs -

Company builds world's largest particle accelerator outside of Geneva, Switzerland.

First run is Wednesday. (tomorrow)

Accelerator could lead to discoveries of alternate dimensions.

Some believe that the accelerator could produce black holes capable of swallowing the earth.

Scientists think those some are idiots.

LexiZ31 was ass raped last night.


/cliffs

Ran
09-09-2008, 08:23 AM
Gonna be honest, this could be very VERY bad.

DJ Maestro
09-09-2008, 08:26 AM
Gonna be honest, this could be very VERY bad.

That would be very VERY interesting.

Ran
09-09-2008, 08:27 AM
That would be very VERY interesting.Yeah, keep thinking that when this thing produces a bunch of black holes that start swallowing the Earth. Or when an alternate dimension opens up bridging the gap between Earth, Heaven, and Hell. lol

DJ Maestro
09-09-2008, 08:30 AM
Yeah, keep thinking that when this thing produces a bunch of black holes that start swallowing the Earth. Or when an alternate dimension opens up bridging the gap between Earth, Heaven, and Hell. lol

I've got my .40 cal, .270, and 12 ga. ready for any demon spawn that may walk the Earth after tomorrow. :D

Ran
09-09-2008, 08:41 AM
I've got my .40 cal, .270, and 12 ga. ready for any demon spawn that may walk the Earth after tomorrow. :DSomebody played too much DOOM.

DJ Maestro
09-09-2008, 10:24 AM
Somebody played too much DOOM.

AND!!! I just rewatched the really bad movie of the same title starring Teh Rawk. :yes:

DeutscheBAG!
09-09-2008, 11:10 AM
Wouldnt be Wedensday anyways, when the power the system up that day, They will not be doing a full power up, it will be over the next few months before they get it fully up. I have been doing alot of research on this and one thing I am very eager to see is if they can open a door way or get data to back up the theory of alternate dimensions. As far as black holes being produced, Thats people being paranoid

hmmm..kind of along the lines of many ages ago when the world was thought to be flat and one would simply fall off into oblivion if they sailed too far out

or
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r179/Fdaveokc/Mychops/gozerthetraveler.jpg

ShooterMcGavin
09-09-2008, 02:16 PM
I've got my .40 cal, .270, and 12 ga. ready for any demon spawn that may walk the Earth after tomorrow. :D
that's all? you're not ready :D

Reaper
09-09-2008, 02:27 PM
this sh*t makes me laugh. I think our technological advances will be in great numbers....and then a scientist will "turn up the boost" in a sense "just to see what happens" and then were gonna be f*cked 8 ways the hell..lol

Seriously though, this should be interesting haha

Echonova
09-09-2008, 04:13 PM
We are not going to be swallowed in a black hole. Simple physics will not allow it.

HeLLo iM iZzY
09-09-2008, 05:36 PM
I'll give you a big one you can bite on Wednesday.

Echonova
09-10-2008, 06:11 AM
Are we still here, or in an alternate universe yet? I can never tell.

Brett
09-10-2008, 06:13 AM
Was turned on at 7:32 GMT and guess what, we are still here dumb f*cks.

Echonova
09-10-2008, 06:17 AM
Got dammit. Guess I better get ready for work.

I.G.R Epyon
09-10-2008, 11:08 AM
still here, still paying bills,
thanks for the imput guys, wanted to see what u guys thought.
I am looing forward to the test in the next 2 months, and by next year when they turn it up more well see what will really happen.
lata