View Full Version : General Chat Ring Bomb of the Day: Dodge Viper ACR laps 'Ring in record 7:22.1 [w/VIDEO] "Yes!"
EJ25RUN
08-28-2008, 11:16 AM
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x265/106602/nfndgf.jpg
This is still considered unofficial.
Go to Motor Trends Web site to see the Vid. (http://www.motortrend.com/av/features/112_0811_2009_dodge_viper_acr_nurburgring_record_v ideo/index.html)
Much Much lower quality Youtube Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocm0tySUYGM)
Autoblog writes:
We're not terribly surprised that the Dodge Viper ACR has apparently made it around the famed German racing circuit faster than pretty much anything else you'll find on a dealer's lot. After all, the ACR is a race car, as evidenced by the video that Motor Trend has posted. The most venomous Viper has done the deed in 7:22, fast enough to make grown men cry. To this blogger, the Viper is dead gorgeous, even with that yucky-but-functional rear wing on the ACR, and it definitely carries the spirit of hairy-chested cars of yore. The shifter wobbles around horrendously when the driver kisses the rev limiter a few times, and there even appears to be a flubbed shift near the end, so the ACR may have faster laps left in it. We're waiting on confirmation on whether or not this is an official lap, but it's certainly creating a stir, and the Viper wants to know, V-Spec who? Thanks for the tip, Rob.
http://www.fxmedia.us/images/dodge_viper_srt_10_acr_official_image002.jpg
The saying used to be "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday", now it is "We Beat Everybody and i Mean Everybody at the Ring"
alpine_aw11
08-28-2008, 11:18 AM
God I love those cars. Good to see that raw racecars are still being built for production. If that thing had paddle shifters they would be blowing everyone out of the water, wouldn't have been hitting the rev limiter so much. Racing guys correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason for doing that is he didn't have the time to be upshifting when he was going to hit a corner soon, right? So if he had paddles he could shift up and get into that monsterous torque level to help shave time off, no?
Atlblkz06
08-28-2008, 11:29 AM
Thats bad ass, but not surprising. They sure did shave a good bit of weight, and the downforce that thing puts out is just nuts - 1500lb at 150mph or something?
EJ25RUN
08-28-2008, 11:36 AM
God I love those cars. Good to see that raw racecars are still being built for production.
That was great "Real" driving. Autoblog wrote 1 bouched gear change but it was actually 2. He missed coming out of Adenauer Forst.
How much more simple can you get?
http://www.carsandtuning.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/2008-dodge-viper_3.jpg
Again. He is working to drive it and that is what most impresses me. He hasn't got an electronic 4wd system, a chassis developed in part by Lotus, No, it is just him fighting ten cylinders and chassis that could be ranked at best average. Brilliant driving on the part of that man and i hope Vipers will start selling like they used to again. I know that in Japan, the Chevrolet Corvette is sold as its own brand of car. With the financial woes of Chrysler LLC now, i hope they make more of that push to insure the Viper lives on.
Wiki Ring times: Production vehicles
20,832 m (68,350 ft) 7:22.1 Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR Tom Coronel 18 August 2008 Motor Trend manufacturer claimed, Stock ACR specification with Hardcore Package
20832 m 7:26.4 Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 Jim Mero 27 June 2008 General Motors manufacturer claimed, base specification car with stock tires, video confirmed
20832 m 7:27 Pagani Zonda F Clubsport Marc Basseng September 2007 Pagani semi-wet conditions, manufacturer claimed
20832 m 7:29 Nissan GT-R Toshio Suzuki 16 April 2008 Nissan Motors manufacturer claimed, base GTR with stock tires, video confirmed
20600 m 7:32.02 Porsche 911 GT2 2008 Walter Röhrl 2007 Porsche[8] Manufacturer claimed, semi-slicks tires used.
20600 m 7:32.44 Porsche Carrera GT Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2004)
20600 m 7:34 Koenigsegg CCR Horst von Saurma 17 October 2005 Sport Auto (03/2006)
20600 m 7:35 Ruf Rt 12 Sport Auto (02/2008)
7:39 Ferrari 430 Scuderia Sport Auto (07/2008)
20600 m 7:40 Bugatti Veyron 16.4 'Wheels' magazine (12/2005)
20600 m 7:40 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren Klaus Ludwig AutoBild (07/2004)
20600 m 7:40 Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 Giorgio Sanna Lamborghini Autobild (01/2007)
7:40.6 Ford GT Markus Draper Octane Magazine
7:42 Porsche 911/ GT3 Walter Röhrl Automobil (05/2006) Sport Auto (05/2006)
7:42.99 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 Jan Magnussen 2005 Motor Trend
7:43 Porsche 911 GT3 RS 'Motor' magazine
7:44 Pagani Zonda S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (02/2005)
http://www.spykerowner.com/forum/attachments/spyker-discussion/237d1198442235-us-engine-ssuv-08viper_engine.jpg
alpine_aw11
08-28-2008, 11:42 AM
^Exactly what I'm thinking. You have to work to keep an ACR on the track, and I mean work for it. 99% of the people on here, including me, would be completely hopeless pushing that thing at full power around a track.
OnURleft
08-28-2008, 11:47 AM
Nice! All this ZR1 vs GTR talk and the dam.n viper tore them a new one.
Double_0_Rusty
08-28-2008, 11:54 AM
MOPAR POWAH!
mocha latte cupcake
08-28-2008, 11:57 AM
amazing simply amazing! i'm not surprised @ all and i'm glad to see that it did it with no technology help either, just driver skill and brute american strength :D
SLOWR/T
08-28-2008, 12:15 PM
The guy need to learn to shift. this is something Id take over both the ZR1 and GTR. I looooooooove Vipers!!
Nerdsrock22
08-28-2008, 12:15 PM
thats just about the meanest looking car I have ever seen. Reps to Dodge and OP.
RL...
08-28-2008, 12:22 PM
That was great "Real" driving. Autoblog wrote 1 bouched gear change but it was actually 2. He missed coming out of Adenauer Forst.
How much more simple can you get?
http://www.carsandtuning.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/2008-dodge-viper_3.jpg
Again. He is working to drive it and that is what most impresses me. He hasn't got an electronic 4wd system, a chassis developed in part by Lotus, No, it is just him fighting ten cylinders and chassis that could be ranked at best average. Brilliant driving on the part of that man and i hope Vipers will start selling like they used to again. I know that in Japan, the Chevrolet Corvette is sold as its own brand of car. With the financial woes of Chrysler LLC now, i hope they make more of that push to insure the Viper lives on.
Wiki Ring times: Production vehicles
20,832 m (68,350 ft) 7:22.1 Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR Tom Coronel 18 August 2008 Motor Trend manufacturer claimed, Stock ACR specification with Hardcore Package
20832 m 7:26.4 Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 Jim Mero 27 June 2008 General Motors manufacturer claimed, base specification car with stock tires, video confirmed
20832 m 7:27 Pagani Zonda F Clubsport Marc Basseng September 2007 Pagani semi-wet conditions, manufacturer claimed
20832 m 7:29 Nissan GT-R Toshio Suzuki 16 April 2008 Nissan Motors manufacturer claimed, base GTR with stock tires, video confirmed
20600 m 7:32.02 Porsche 911 GT2 2008 Walter Röhrl 2007 Porsche[8] Manufacturer claimed, semi-slicks tires used.
20600 m 7:32.44 Porsche Carrera GT Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2004)
20600 m 7:34 Koenigsegg CCR Horst von Saurma 17 October 2005 Sport Auto (03/2006)
20600 m 7:35 Ruf Rt 12 Sport Auto (02/2008)
7:39 Ferrari 430 Scuderia Sport Auto (07/2008)
20600 m 7:40 Bugatti Veyron 16.4 'Wheels' magazine (12/2005)
20600 m 7:40 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren Klaus Ludwig AutoBild (07/2004)
20600 m 7:40 Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 Giorgio Sanna Lamborghini Autobild (01/2007)
7:40.6 Ford GT Markus Draper Octane Magazine
7:42 Porsche 911/ GT3 Walter Röhrl Automobil (05/2006) Sport Auto (05/2006)
7:42.99 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 Jan Magnussen 2005 Motor Trend
7:43 Porsche 911 GT3 RS 'Motor' magazine
7:44 Pagani Zonda S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (02/2005)
http://www.spykerowner.com/forum/attachments/spyker-discussion/237d1198442235-us-engine-ssuv-08viper_engine.jpg
If you look at that list the GT-R and C6 z06 vette are the only 2 cars that cost less than 100k from factory...consider how much more the viper acr costs than the gt-r and it only laps it 7 secs quicker...especially when the gt-r is in it's 1st model year of production, and the spec v isn't even out yet...:goodjob: O yeah, wheres honda on that list?:thinking:
EJ25RUN
08-28-2008, 12:26 PM
If you look at that list the GT-R and C6 z06 vette are the only 2 cars that cost less than 100k from factory...consider how much more the viper acr costs than the gt-r and it only laps it 7 secs quicker...especially when the gt-r is in it's 1st model year of production, and the spec v isn't even out yet...:goodjob: O yeah, wheres honda on that list?:thinking:
Nissan's Sand in Vag representative is here.
Oh, and can you not quote the entire thing. It is waste of space.
OneSlow5pt0
08-28-2008, 12:29 PM
damn nice times......hows the cost look? compared to the 105K ZR1?
EJ25RUN
08-28-2008, 12:29 PM
Made a pic thread. Nissantuner, if you persist on being an idiot, stay out of that one.
http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?p=37104794#post37104794
EJ25RUN
08-28-2008, 12:37 PM
If you look at that list the GT-R and C6 z06 vette are the only 2 cars that cost less than 100k from factory...consider how much more the viper acr costs than the gt-r and it only laps it 7 secs quicker...especially when the gt-r is in it's 1st model year of production, and the spec v isn't even out yet...:goodjob: O yeah, wheres honda on that list?:thinking:
You really are a tool. You come into my threads and get owned EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Do you ever get tired of being such an idiot. I actually consider myself pretty civil compared to the rest of the people on this forum but i just cant resist the opportunity to trashed upon you since you make it so easy.
I remember i told you when you first got on go learn something before you post what ever. Stop being such a tool. Coming over here with some damn Maxima preaching the word of the GTR. I have driven real cars before and i've done it on the track, so what ever i say comes form fact or personal experience. You just like to shoot the sh!t out your mouth.
damn nice times......hows the cost look? compared to the 105K ZR1?
Motor Trend: 2008 Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR gets $98,110 MSRP
*T-Bag* Nissan tuner.
Spec- V isn't even confirmed...idiot.
alpine_aw11
08-28-2008, 12:40 PM
Ok Nissan, keep your precious GTR. You can criticize the cost but an ACR Viper is SO MUCH BETTER. PULL THE GTR NISSAN SHOVED UP YOUR ASS OUT OF THERE AND REALIZE THIS IS A REAL CAR. This guy doesn't need the car to drive for him, that is how a real man's car works. I'm not downing the GTR, but no need to get all butt hurt over something beating it. Point out price as much as you want, anyone with a nutsack would take an ACR over a GTR hands down.
OneSlow5pt0
08-28-2008, 12:42 PM
damn even better,think id still take a Z06 and pocket the extra 30k..........but im ready for some ZR1 vs ACR
guess what we talked bout yesterday is coming back.........Viper vs Vette YAY!
Revmaynard
08-28-2008, 01:16 PM
They don't even use paddle shifters to achieve those times. *cough* GTR *cough*
Ive always been a viper fan... but im still a gtr fan as of now.. out of all 3 zr1-acr-gtr im in the bunch.
i think some have forgotten the characteristics of these cars, the ZR1-Viper-GTR, all which had to be there in order for them to succeed.
At the end when the dust settles, the ACR-ZR1-Vspec will all be around the same price.
nsany(atl)
08-28-2008, 05:57 PM
wonder how much of this is a publicity stunt to raise the asking price for the Viper name and legacy since Chrysler is looking to sell the brand.
Elbow
08-28-2008, 07:53 PM
If you look at that list the GT-R and C6 z06 vette are the only 2 cars that cost less than 100k from factory...consider how much more the viper acr costs than the gt-r and it only laps it 7 secs quicker...especially when the gt-r is in it's 1st model year of production, and the spec v isn't even out yet...:goodjob: O yeah, wheres honda on that list?:thinking:
Oh look the dumb **** fanboy is here!
ONLY 7 seconds :lmfao:
Spec V...**** the Spec V it doesnt have **** on this.
I can give you SO many Hondas that will blow you away btw...lol
EJ25RUN
08-28-2008, 08:07 PM
wonder how much of this is a publicity stunt to raise the asking price for the Viper name and legacy since Chrysler is looking to sell the brand.
How do you make sense out of that? Of course this is something Chrysler should yell at the top of their advertising power.
This is the supreme record for street cars, Publicity stunts are for politicians. Ring times are a measure of world acclaim respect .
Echonova
08-28-2008, 08:07 PM
@ 5:45 on the Moter Trend vid. He could have shaved another 3-4 seconds by cutting across the grass. I learned that on Gran Turismo.
EJ25RUN
08-28-2008, 08:10 PM
@ 5:45 on the Moter Trend vid. He could have shaved another 3-4 seconds by cutting across the grass. I learned that on Gran Turismo.
We put people like you on the blacklist on the Gtplanet forum. :tongue1:
@ 5:45 on the Moter Trend vid. He could have shaved another 3-4 seconds by cutting across the grass. I learned that on Gran Turismo.
did u use to drive thru the grass on Gt4 at the end of trial mountain? :D
alpine_aw11
08-28-2008, 08:17 PM
wonder how much of this is a publicity stunt to raise the asking price for the Viper name and legacy since Chrysler is looking to sell the brand.
:screwy:Running that time at the Ring is anything but a publicity stunt. As much as I have hated Chrysler lately, they did it right with this. They built a car for racing purists, and they did a damn good job. That time wasn't given, it was earned. I would love to see an explanation as to how that would be just a publicity stunt, when they just tore apart the competition that had all but forgotten them.
OneSlow5pt0
08-28-2008, 08:19 PM
did u use to drive thru the grass on Gt4 at the end of trial mountain? :D
i killed that one,lol....then u hit the little hill and pop 2 wheels off the ground:D
i killed that one,lol....then u hit the little hill and pop 2 wheels off the ground:D
:lmfao: :lmfao:
RL...
08-29-2008, 12:39 AM
Oh look the dumb **** fanboy is here!
ONLY 7 seconds :lmfao:
Spec V...**** the Spec V it doesnt have **** on this.
I can give you SO many Hondas that will blow you away btw...lol
...lol you guys are idiots...You guys really like talking ****. I would def take the Gt-R over a any viper, whether the viper is faster or not. I just like GT-R's. I could care less about having the fastest car out there, because I don't have a small **** to compensate for. Simon and EJ, you guys try to act so smart and badass on here. If you guys really want to talk ****, let's meet up and handle this. I hate mother****ers with napolean complex's. You guys are the dumbass's, I'm just giving my opinion, you're the ones getting upset because I like the GT-R...Why does it bother you so much I like the GT-R? BTW the viper is ugly as ****...:D
bmw>nissan>honda,dodge,toyota, ford,gm:cheers:
black_e92
08-29-2008, 01:28 AM
ive always had a thing for vipers since i was little ... i think the ACR is pure sexyness :boobies: lol
Atlblkz06
08-29-2008, 02:24 AM
...lol you guys are idiots...You guys really like talking ****. I would def take the Gt-R over a any viper, whether the viper is faster or not. I just like GT-R's. I could care less about having the fastest car out there, because I don't have a small **** to compensate for. Simon and EJ, you guys try to act so smart and badass on here. If you guys really want to talk ****, let's meet up and handle this. I hate mother****ers with napolean complex's. You guys are the dumbass's, I'm just giving my opinion, you're the ones getting upset because I like the GT-R...Why does it bother you so much I like the GT-R? BTW the viper is ugly as ****...:D
bmw>nissan>honda,dodge,toyota, ford,gm:cheers:
Go buy yourself a GT-R and shut up about it already...no one cares what you think, figure it out...
EJ25RUN
08-29-2008, 07:58 AM
...lol you guys are idiots...You guys really like talking ****. I would def take the Gt-R over a any viper, whether the viper is faster or not. I just like GT-R's. I could care less about having the fastest car out there, because I don't have a small **** to compensate for. Simon and EJ, you guys try to act so smart and badass on here. If you guys really want to talk ****, let's meet up and handle this. I hate mother****ers with napolean complex's. You guys are the dumbass's, I'm just giving my opinion, you're the ones getting upset because I like the GT-R...Why does it bother you so much I like the GT-R? BTW the viper is ugly as ****...:D
bmw>nissan>honda,dodge,toyota, ford,gm:cheers:
Instead of pointless banter. I want you to prove what you say.
*How am I an Idiot?
*Where am i talking ****?
*So the guy driving the Viper around the Ring has a small penis?
*So you are proposing "meeting" up about an internet debate?
*I like the GT-R, I already said i do, so why would it bother me you like it?
Nothing bothers me, it's that as a forum member i can post whatever opinion i want and, when i bring facts over your opinions, can usually prove you wrong.
If your "opinion" is false cause facts say it is wrong, it is a disproven theory.
OneSlow5pt0
08-29-2008, 01:04 PM
we dont care ur the biggest GTR fanyboy,but when u state fact about it which arnt true..............well yea
HiPSI
08-29-2008, 06:35 PM
i'd like to see what it could do with a bit of re-gearing. impressive none the less, piloting any high powered car around the ring has got to be the ultimate rush.
Echonova
08-30-2008, 03:26 PM
...lol you guys are idiots...You guys really like talking ****. I would def take the Gt-R over a any viper, whether the viper is faster or not. I just like GT-R's. I could care less about having the fastest car out there, because I don't have a small **** to compensate for.Yes you do...
Simon and EJ, you guys try to act so smart and badass on here.I personally know Simon would tear you a new as$hole on a racetrac with his POS miata, doesn't matter what you drive...
If you guys really want to talk ****, let's meet up and handle this. I hate mother****ers with napolean complex's. If you're serious about this I'm down...
You guys are the dumbass's, I'm just giving my opinion, you're the ones getting upset because I like the GT-R...Why does it bother you so much I like the GT-R? BTW the viper is ugly as ****...:D
bmw>nissan>honda,dodge,toyota, ford,gm:cheers:Instead of giving your opinion, stick to what you're best at giving...
Head.
Revmaynard
08-30-2008, 03:32 PM
Yes you do...I personally know Simon would tear you a new as$hole on a racetrac with his POS miata, doesn't matter what you drive... If you're serious about this I'm down...Instead of giving your opinion, stick to what you're best at giving...
Head.
Uh oh, Echo! lol
This thread is here to talk about the Viper and it being the fastest around the track. If this thread were talking about ''what car you like a lot but isn't the fastest car'', you would fit right in. Geez, stfu and go make your own thread where you can make up useless sht.
Elbow
08-30-2008, 09:00 PM
...lol you guys are idiots...You guys really like talking ****. I would def take the Gt-R over a any viper, whether the viper is faster or not. I just like GT-R's. I could care less about having the fastest car out there, because I don't have a small **** to compensate for. Simon and EJ, you guys try to act so smart and badass on here. If you guys really want to talk ****, let's meet up and handle this. I hate mother****ers with napolean complex's. You guys are the dumbass's, I'm just giving my opinion, you're the ones getting upset because I like the GT-R...Why does it bother you so much I like the GT-R? BTW the viper is ugly as ****...:D
bmw>nissan>honda,dodge,toyota, ford,gm:cheers:
I HAVE MET YOU BEFORE I HAVE TOLD YOU THAT 50X NOW EVEN IN PM'S LOL.
I obviously don't have a small ****, I have the balls to drive a Miata. And laugh at gay comments. If I had a small **** i'd probably drive something like a GTR.
Big Baller
08-30-2008, 10:36 PM
Its a mans car....I mean a real mans car, not like a gay ass skyline metrosexual mans car....but like a hairy chested, thick necked, 400 plus pound bench press kind of mans car. Its a car that takes skill to drive you don't just point it in the general direction you want to go and stand on the gas like you do with the GTR. You actually have to put some thought into driving it. You turn it in and ask it politely if it wouldn't mind if you went around this turn quickly...sometimes it say yes sometimes it says no...and when it says no you grab it with your big ass man arms and you tell it listen here you are going to fukking go where I tell you and your going to like it.....then it crashes you into a wall and you go backward through the pearly gates in a fireball.....yes its that kind of ****ing cool.
You shouldn't even be allowed to mention the gtr in the same breath as the Viper or the Corvette for that matter.
Elbow
08-30-2008, 11:06 PM
Its a mans car....I mean a real mans car, not like a gay ass skyline metrosexual mans car....but like a hairy chested, thick necked, 400 plus pound bench press kind of mans car. Its a car that takes skill to drive you don't just point it in the general direction you want to go and stand on the gas like you do with the GTR. You actually have to put some thought into driving it. You turn it in and ask it politely if it wouldn't mind if you went around this turn quickly...sometimes it say yes sometimes it says no...and when it says no you grab it with your big ass man arms and you tell it listen here you are going to fukking go where I tell you and your going to like it.....then it crashes you into a wall and you go backward through the pearly gates in a fireball.....yes its that kind of ****ing cool.
You shouldn't even be allowed to mention the gtr in the same breath as the Viper or the Corvette for that matter.
:eek: :eek: End thread.
Nothing can match that
Revmaynard
08-30-2008, 11:50 PM
Its a mans car....I mean a real mans car, not like a gay ass skyline metrosexual mans car....but like a hairy chested, thick necked, 400 plus pound bench press kind of mans car. Its a car that takes skill to drive you don't just point it in the general direction you want to go and stand on the gas like you do with the GTR. You actually have to put some thought into driving it. You turn it in and ask it politely if it wouldn't mind if you went around this turn quickly...sometimes it say yes sometimes it says no...and when it says no you grab it with your big ass man arms and you tell it listen here you are going to fukking go where I tell you and your going to like it.....then it crashes you into a wall and you go backward through the pearly gates in a fireball.....yes its that kind of ****ing cool.
You shouldn't even be allowed to mention the gtr in the same breath as the Viper or the Corvette for that matter.
QFET
Quote For Epic Truth.
cwhiteboy
08-31-2008, 08:07 PM
Its a mans car....I mean a real mans car, not like a gay ass skyline metrosexual mans car....but like a hairy chested, thick necked, 400 plus pound bench press kind of mans car. Its a car that takes skill to drive you don't just point it in the general direction you want to go and stand on the gas like you do with the GTR. You actually have to put some thought into driving it. You turn it in and ask it politely if it wouldn't mind if you went around this turn quickly...sometimes it say yes sometimes it says no...and when it says no you grab it with your big ass man arms and you tell it listen here you are going to fukking go where I tell you and your going to like it.....then it crashes you into a wall and you go backward through the pearly gates in a fireball.....yes its that kind of ****ing cool.
You shouldn't even be allowed to mention the gtr in the same breath as the Viper or the Corvette for that matter.
OMG, just made my week man, that was some of the funniest ****. :lmfao:
I have to agree, I do love the GTR, its a "pretty" car, but what I hate the most about it is its not a drivers car. The Viper is just the basic, no bullsh!t. Man, and that time on the ring is just astounding, great thread EJ. :goodjob:
EJ25RUN
08-31-2008, 08:41 PM
Its a mans car....I mean a real mans car, not like a gay ass skyline metrosexual mans car....but like a hairy chested, thick necked, 400 plus pound bench press kind of mans car. Its a car that takes skill to drive you don't just point it in the general direction you want to go and stand on the gas like you do with the GTR. You actually have to put some thought into driving it. You turn it in and ask it politely if it wouldn't mind if you went around this turn quickly...sometimes it say yes sometimes it says no...and when it says no you grab it with your big ass man arms and you tell it listen here you are going to fukking go where I tell you and your going to like it.....then it crashes you into a wall and you go backward through the pearly gates in a fireball.....yes its that kind of ****ing cool.
You shouldn't even be allowed to mention the gtr in the same breath as the Viper or the Corvette for that matter.
I'm sad my writing skills cant match that.
Big Baller
08-31-2008, 09:33 PM
I'm sad my writing skills cant match that.I'm just glad you post this stuff, its nice to see a true enthusiast on here. Shoot me a PM of the other boards you post on Ill send you a link to a board you will like, its a no B.S. kind of board but theres lots of good racing talk.
Matt
RWD164
09-01-2008, 06:12 PM
My biggest problem with the GTR is it is WAY too heavy. The GTR needs all that motor stock just to get out of its own way. 3900 lbs from the factory?? Are you kidding, I have seen Buicks from the 50's that are lighter. Sports cars should not be heavy and save. I drive a BMW 2002 (and I may speak for the guy with the miata above) and I know if I have a serious accident on the street, I am probably going to die. However, while I am driving, there is no more direct and involved driving experience than a light, front engine RWD sports car/coupe.
MA
My biggest problem with the GTR is it is WAY too heavy. The GTR needs all that motor stock just to get out of its own way. 3900 lbs from the factory?? Are you kidding, I have seen Buicks from the 50's that are lighter. Sports cars should not be heavy and save. I drive a BMW 2002 (and I may speak for the guy with the miata above) and I know if I have a serious accident on the street, I am probably going to die. However, while I am driving, there is no more direct and involved driving experience than a light, front engine RWD sports car/coupe.
MA
this isnt 1978 cars are heavier and alot more powerful.....
acr is 3,366 lbs
ZR1 is 3,350lbs
gt2 is 3175lbs
Z06 is 3246lbs
GTR is 3836lbs
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