All-motor setup

[sakasaku]

B18b1 93 ls block -94-01 head

okay apparnetly u can tell this is my first engine build so would u help me figure out a good setup?

[Vteckidd]

what motor?

[sakasaku]

sry forgot

[Grimm Reeper]

Is this for the LS :thinking:


Editing at the moment I make my post FTL :lmfao:

[Vteckidd]

Pretty much all of it is wrong to tell you the truth LOL

Here we go:
SPrings and Retainers are fine

Cams, not a big fan of BC but as long as they are close to 404s then thats fine.

The amount of work youll have to do to get the valves to work negates them. and you wont see that much of a power gain if any.

Stock Injectors are fine. They will support 200whp and you will be nowhere near that.

Aem Fuel rail is good if you like to waste money. It doest absolutely NOTHING. Stock rails are good for 600whp. If you want an aftermarket Rail buy the SKunk2 Composite rail, at least it lowers Fuel Temps.

GSR transmission, not as bad as an LS but still sucks. B16 is what you are going to want since you have a low HP engine with ok TORQUE youll want the shortest gears possible.

DC Sport header, its ok, not the best obviously. Tri-Y is much better.

Whale Penis is proven to NOT make power. Its a fad, the Regular AEM CAI DESTROYS it.

I would rather you purchase a Competition Clutch Stage 2 than an Exedy Stage 1. FLywheel is fine, id go with the lightest you can find.

All Motor LSs dont make a ton of power, and with you keeping a stock bottom end, dont expect much, youll be lucky to hit 150whp.

Personally, you can save a TON OF MONEY if instead of buying cams, springs, ret, you buy a $350 GSR head an do an LSVTEC.

Youll make MORE POWER with a VTEC head over a NON VTEC ANY DAY and it costs less than the build you have posted.

I dont see the point in being DIFFERENT if DIFFERENT means being slow

[sakasaku]

i am still a baby in the game so thanx

[JDMJAYDC2]

i dont always agree with mike but ryan your part choices are all over the place some expensive some cheap if you want the ls just to have a motor then do all oem and drive it till you can build a head worth building ie gsr head , itr head if your not going for boost forget about doing cams and such in a ls its pointless. Do a oem rebuild on the motor drop it in drive and be happy while you get another motor on the stand hence what i am in the process of doing

[AnTi-PooN]

^^^x2 mr. kidd is exactly right. i took my time doing my ls vtec and it sucked haveing to wait on funds for the parts but in the end it's worth it trust me. and if you need a machine shop lmk cuz i can hook it up :)

[southside]

i dont always agree with mike but ryan your part choices are all over the place some expensive some cheap if you want the ls just to have a motor then do all oem and drive it till you can build a head worth building ie gsr head , itr head if your not going for boost forget about doing cams and such in a ls its pointless. Do a oem rebuild on the motor drop it in drive and be happy while you get another motor on the stand hence what i am in the process of doingIm going to make you eat those words:chuckles:

[jfrolang]

Jay's right. Cams that make good power at the top will idle like crap on a non-VTEC engine, and you'll hate driving on the street.

[sakasaku]

EDit read first post to help!?!?!?! kinda lost

[southside]

I say ctrs pistons,get cranks balanced and blueprinted.Get everything like piston rings,main bearings,rod bearings and thrust washers.Pretty much everything needed for stock rebuild.Oil pump,timing belt and other etc. alot of people underestimate low mileage Honda motors.

[Vteckidd]

Im going to make you eat those words:chuckles:
no youre not, Cams in a stock block ls make little to no power.

EJALLMOTA who has prob the best OEM setup motor (B16 Pistons, Crower 403s, JDM 2.5in Header, PR8 Head)

And he made like 154whp. It was a fun car, but dont think, its some magical stupid fast ride. We talked about doing 404s in his car, but he would have had a crappy idle and he might have made another 5-8whp if he was lucky.

[Vteckidd]

,get cranks balanced



Only 1 crank in a honda motor playa

[southside]

no youre not, Cams in a stock block ls make little to no power.

EJALLMOTA who has prob the best OEM setup motor (B16 Pistons, Crower 403s, JDM 2.5in Header, PR8 Head)

And he made like 154whp. It was a fun car, but dont think, its some magical stupid fast ride. We talked about doing 404s in his car, but he would have had a crappy idle and he might have made another 5-8whp if he was lucky.:thinking:I've seen his set up what was it at the crank?and just like mustang guys say what Honda is magically stupid fast?:lmfao:


Only 1 crank in a honda motor playaThanks for being spell check :cheers:

[jfrolang]

CTR pistons are too much compression in an LS. B16 pistons are actually the better choice.

[sakasaku]

CTR pistons are too much compression in an LS. B16 pistons are actually the better choice.

Aren't b16 pistons 84 mm bore? if i can find them ill get the bore

[jfrolang]

Aren't b16 pistons 84 mm bore? if i can find them ill get the bore
No dude, all B-series are 81mm, except for the B20B/Z (those are 84).

[southside]

my friend had ctr pistons in his ls and etc., It ran pretty wild only problem was he had a slight tap.He ran 13.9 with that setup in a Da with ls tranny.I wonder whos got the highest hp N/A Ls in GA.

[sakasaku]

No dude, all B-series are 81mm, except for the B20B/Z (those are 84).

o kay should i swap the crank to? in that case ill buy some b16 pistons!!!! and crank!!!!!

[southside]

No just use b16 pistons with ls crank.If you get a b16 crank it will destroke your motor I think thats the right term.

[sakasaku]

k wat about rods ls or b16 rods?

[sakasaku]

if so i might buy these
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/B16-B16A-PR3-Pistons-and-Rods-for-Civic-and-Integra_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33623QQihZ013QQ itemZ230283004537QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVWQQtcZphoto

[southside]

You use everything from your ls except pistons.Pistons give a bump in compression and ls motors have lowest compression of b series I believe.So you will use your ls rods unless you wanna go aftermarket.

[southside]

You could buy the shortblock joshuaase has. He had a ls shortblock with type-R pistons and everything in it already.I dont know if he has sold it or not .

[southside]

if so i might buy these
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/B16-B16A-PR3-Pistons-and-Rods-for-Civic-and-Integra_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33623QQihZ013QQ itemZ230283004537QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVWQQtcZphoto Just find the pistons and take your ls rods to a machine shop and get them to put them on.Or you could buy them new for 125$ with wrist pins and rings.

[sakasaku]

what about valve clearance? i am reading on another forum that it will hit the valves? probly cause its talking about ls vtec idk?

[sakasaku]

Just find the pistons and take your ls rods to a machine shop and get them to put them on.Or you could buy them new for 125$ with wrist pins and rings.
just got to go to the machine shop and get the rods pressed on

[southside]

Ls with b16 pistons I dont think the dome is that big to worry about valve clearance.Maybe if they were Ctr then you would have to worry about Valve clearance

[southside]

just got to go to the machine shop and get the rods pressed onYea I got mine done for 40$ just took them the b16 pistons and my rods and they did it.But they will tell you the pistons might break in the process.In that case I would just buy them new but mines didnt break.Or anyone else I know that has had it done.

[sakasaku]

wat about valve clearance? and i have some b seires cams Pr3 little scorn trade for tanabe medallion

[turbob20]

try an ls block crank and rods,b16 or type r pistons to bump compression, a gsr head for its smaller combustion chambers and better quench area and even more compression, stock gsr cams to start off, and a chipped p28 or stock p30 or something to get you going. then later to help build power with these all motor setups you can add cams that will better suit this compression to help add some but perhaps as KIDD said earlier very little power as fatr as ls heads and cams.the only way is to build an ls vtec because you can go more agressive on your secodary profiles and still have a crisp idle. mine put down 212hp to the wheels on all stock internals with p 30 pistons and gsr cams. i finally stepped up to a b20 bottom end and opened up my intake valve dishes a tad in the pistons for the bigger gsr valves,revhard t3 t4 kit on 8 psi tunned by scotty at mainstream with the same stock gsr head,cams and stock internals of the b20 wich is same as ls with exeption of 3mm bigger pistons, on pump gas and am puttin down 260whp @ only 8 psi. this is what i know to work with all stock intenal honda parts and not have to go stupid crazy and get caught up in the after market bullcrap!

[turbob20]

i think those are b16 cams my friend.just like p30 is also. then i think p3 is type r. all you need is a vtec head for all these parts
wat about valve clearance? and i have some b seires cams Pr3 little scorn trade for tanabe medallion

[sakasaku]

Do the pistons come out of top or bottom cause i really don't want to take the head off if its not nessary.:D dudw there ls cams it doesnt have the extra lobe for Vtak.

[southside]

Lol whos building your motor for you?Its easier to just take the head off and get the pistons out.You will still have to disassemble the whole motor tho:thinking:

[turbob20]

Do the pistons come out of top or bottom cause i really don't want to take the head off if its not nessary.:D dudw there ls cams it doesnt have the extra lobe for Vtak. NO THAT PART # PR3 IS B16 AS WELL AS P30. SOMEONES CHANGED THE CAM GEARS. L/S IS PR4

[sakasaku]

Lol whos building your motor for you?Its easier to just take the head off and get the pistons out.You will still have to disassemble the whole motor tho:thinking:

me i was just wondering

[southside]

me i was just wonderingThe way your talking I dont think that is a wise decision.If you dont know I would recommend you going to somewhere they will do it correct.

[KevinT707]

This LS talk makes me wanna barf, anyway .. (to SouthSide) go ahead & build your LS & when it puts down 155 WHP then we can do a hwy pull to see whos car is quicker but don't be mad if I pull by a bus.

[southside]

This LS talk makes me wanna barf, anyway .. (to SouthSide) go ahead & build your LS & when it puts down 155 WHP then we can do a hwy pull to see whos car is quicker but don't be mad if I pull by a bus.:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: dude stop being a bit.ch and do a dig since your so fast.And if you beat me ill just get my friend to bring his stock b16 back out for you:chuckles:

[bigdare23]

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: dude stop being a bit.ch and do a dig since your so fast.And if you beat me ill just get my friend to bring his stock b16 back out for you:chuckles:


Please stop homie!

This was what I'm talking about. Get your car DONE, then start making callouts. **** talking is worthless if you dont have anything to drive! Also, get off your homie's nuts. Those tactics are very childlish! Get you car finished FIRST, then run your mouth after your car is PROVEN. When you start draggin people by car lengths run your month how much you want, but until then, you're keep quiet and stop diss'n people.

Don't take this the wrong way, cuz you're cool lil homie, but you talk alot!

Boy you are like a younger version of TANK :lmfao:

[00CelicaGT]

Please stop homie!

This was what I'm talking about. Get your car DONE, then start making callouts. **** talking is worthless if you dont have anything to drive! Also, get off your homie's nuts. Those tactics are very childlish! Get you car finished FIRST, then run your mouth after your car is PROVEN. When you start draggin people by car lengths run your month how much you want, but until then, you're keep quiet and stop diss'n people.

Don't take this the wrong way, cuz you're cool lil homie, but you talk alot!



Boy you are like a younger version of TANK :lmfao:
x2

u and kevin keep going back and forth about who is going to drag who, but u dont have an engine in ur car yet so... it's pointless to argue about who is going to win, it's kinda like the special olympics. it doesn't matter who wins cuz at the end of the day they are all still retards.:lmao:

so like dare said... finish ur car, beat some people who are actually fast not the mexican's in riverdale w/ a Dseries running on 3 cyl. then u can talk sh1t, cuz it never looks good when u talk a bunch of **** while building and u either get walked by everthing or blow ur sh1t sky high when it does come out the garage.:goodjob:

[sakasaku]

The way your talking I dont think that is a wise decision.If you dont know I would recommend you going to somewhere they will do it correct.

i no how to doit it just first honda and still dont no all the combonations of interchangable

[southside]

Please stop homie!

This was what I'm talking about. Get your car DONE, then start making callouts. **** talking is worthless if you dont have anything to drive! Also, get off your homie's nuts. Those tactics are very childlish! Get you car finished FIRST, then run your mouth after your car is PROVEN. When you start draggin people by car lengths run your month how much you want, but until then, you're keep quiet and stop diss'n people.

Don't take this the wrong way, cuz you're cool lil homie, but you talk alot!



Boy you are like a younger version of TANK :lmfao:
:lmfao: Man Dare I think you need to read,if you noticed Kevin tried to talk about him putting buses on me.So before you try to put me in my place you need to spread the place putting.:cry:

[southside]

i no how to doit it just first honda and still dont no all the combonations of interchangableOk well if you got questions ask because if you dont ask then you might mess up.And I wouldnt want to see after a whole build somthing messes up because somthing small.

[southside]

x2

u and kevin keep going back and forth about who is going to drag who, but u dont have an engine in ur car yet so... it's pointless to argue about who is going to win, it's kinda like the special olympics. it doesn't matter who wins cuz at the end of the day they are all still retards.:lmao:

so like dare said... finish ur car, beat some people who are actually fast not the mexican's in riverdale w/ a Dseries running on 3 cyl. then u can talk sh1t, cuz it never looks good when u talk a bunch of **** while building and u either get walked by everthing or blow ur sh1t sky high when it does come out the garage.:goodjob::lmfao: What you know about Mexicans in Riverdale.:lmfao: They usually end up blowing they shi.t up.Mostly all of them are spraying:2up: damn spray:no: .I dont know but I have noticed i've been talking alot of junk maybe its because I havent had my car running in so long.:cry: I just dont like how he trying to diss ls if he doesnt like it then keep it to yourself.You dont have to come out of nowhere trying to diss.

[bigdare23]

:lmfao: Man Dare I think you need to read,if you noticed Kevin tried to talk about him putting buses on me.So before you try to put me in my place you need to spread the place putting.:cry:


See the thing is Kevin's car is proven, so I can't really say anything to him. (just search through some of his old threads and watch his videos).


Plus, I expect him to put buses on you (from a roll) :lmfao: and if he doesn't I'm clowning him! :lmfao:

[bigdare23]

Anyways, get your car together so you can ride out :cheers:

[sakasaku]

Ok well if you got questions ask because if you dont ask then you might mess up.And I wouldnt want to see after a whole build somthing messes up because somthing small.

thanx i appreciate the help

[southside]

Well I dont do rolls anyways so.:cheers: I guess he already won then.

[southside]

Hopefully when your done we can let the two ls's go at it

[southside]

Anyways, get your car together so you can ride out :cheers:Man im looking forward to just riding to Qt and getting gas.Lol which I will proble be disappointed when I see gas prices.:no:

[AnTi-PooN]

CTR pistons are too much compression in an LS. B16 pistons are actually the better choice.

i have ctr pistons in mine

i <3 them

[jfrolang]

my friend had ctr pistons in his ls and etc., It ran pretty wild only problem was he had a slight tap.He ran 13.9 with that setup in a Da with ls tranny.I wonder whos got the highest hp N/A Ls in GA.
Even with a 3-layer head gasket and no head or block machining, CTR pistons in an LS will put the compression above 13:1, too high for most street cars.

[jfrolang]

You definitely want to keep the LS crank too, there's no reason to put a B16 crank in a B18 block unless you're trying to build a B16B type screamer.

There is one OEM crank that offers more stroke than an LS, it's the B21A crank from 3rd gen Preludes, but I probably wouldn't do that without a sleeved block (high lateral cylinder forces at higher RPM).

[00CelicaGT]

:lmfao: What you know about Mexicans in Riverdale.:lmfao: They usually end up blowing they shi.t up.Mostly all of them are spraying:2up: damn spray:no: .I dont know but I have noticed i've been talking alot of junk maybe its because I havent had my car running in so long.:cry: I just dont like how he trying to diss ls if he doesnt like it then keep it to yourself.You dont have to come out of nowhere trying to diss.

man i live in henry county, but all my friends stay in clay co and i work in jonesboro. so im always riding around the southside. so i know all about the mexican's in riverdale. i used to go to the publix meets every sunday, untill the mexicans went crazy and started shooting each other.

[southside]

man i live in henry county, but all my friends stay in clay co and i work in jonesboro. so im always riding around the southside. so i know all about the mexican's in riverdale. i used to go to the publix meets every sunday, untill the mexicans went crazy and started shooting each other.:lmfao: I was there when that dude got shot seen it upclose and it was no joke.But the next weekend we went out and couldnt find nobody.I figured ithe people that didnt have anything to do with it would still come out.But to my suprise everyone got scared.But they hangout down here again now its just not like the old days though.:no: Not to many people wanna run

[jfrolang]

Not to [sic] many people wanna run
I think you're infatuated with street racing, there's more to life than having a faster car than the next guy. Anyway, head to a drag strip on a test and tune night, everyone you see will be willing to line up.

[southside]

I think you're infatuated with street racing, there's more to life than having a faster car than the next guy. Anyway, head to a drag strip on a test and tune night, everyone you see will be willing to line up.WHen did I post that comment :thinking: Hmmmmmmm

[KevinT707]

Yo SouthSide, I think I'm not going to let you race me until you actually have proven yourself by beating a few ppl like all the B16 guys in the EF Squad but forreal though what did your friend's stock B16 EF run a best of at SDR?

[southside]

Yo SouthSide, I think I'm not going to let you race me until you actually have proven yourself by beating a few ppl like all the B16 guys in the EF Squad but forreal though what did your friend's stock B16 EF run a best of at SDR?Naw it was a cream colored eg,and his best time was 14.1 that day.

[sakasaku]

You definitely want to keep the LS crank too, there's no reason to put a B16 crank in a B18 block unless you're trying to build a B16B type screamer.

There is one OEM crank that offers more stroke than an LS, it's the B21A crank from 3rd gen Preludes, but I probably wouldn't do that without a sleeved block (high lateral cylinder forces at higher RPM).


i think i might just do the b16 pistons

[AnTi-PooN]

Yo SouthSide, I think I'm not going to let you race me until you actually have proven yourself by beating a few ppl like all the B16 guys in the EF Squad but forreal though what did your friend's stock B16 EF run a best of at SDR?

what if we all 3 line up?

[southside]

what if we all 3 line up?:D Ill just let yall go at it

[southside]

what if we all 3 line up?:D Ill just let yall go at it:cheers:

[sakasaku]

okay i am going to just build this motor oem, then once it is running i am going to find a ls block then i can take my time and build the badass motor i want from scratch and do it right! so ill do litlle mods on this motor as i build the the other motor peice by peice. so thats it. turning over a new leaf and lets go!

[southside]

Wise decision I am deciding if I should use this other block I have for what I want to do.:ninja:

[AnTi-PooN]

^^^^ good idea

[southside]

yea slow but steady

[sakasaku]

yup this next motor is going to be the shat!!!!!!
but this one is so stock.....:ninja:

[southside]

yup this next motor is going to be the shat!!!!!!
but this one is so stock.....:ninja:So how long will it take for you to get it done and running?

[JDMJAYDC2]

i said that so 200 posts ago but who listens to the ice cream guy sheesh!

[southside]

i said that so 200 posts ago but who listens to the ice cream guy sheesh!haha I heard ya but im like BLOX imma take your idea:D :goodjob:

[SlamminCRX]

haha, you guys just totally turned buddys thread into a **** talking one lol

anywas man, i advice going with a gsr or b16 head, ls dont make good power all motor.

i almost went the ls way until i realized those ****s are slow, so i have an ls vtec now.

go for it, build it right and its worth it. but if your going ls i have a clean ass vw green ls valve cover ill sell to you.

[southside]

haha, you guys just totally turned buddys thread into a **** talking one lol

anywas man, i advice going with a gsr or b16 head, ls dont make good power all motor.

i almost went the ls way until i realized those ****s are slow, so i have an ls vtec now.

go for it, build it right and its worth it. but if your going ls i have a clean ass vw green ls valve cover ill sell to you.Yea thats what usually happens on IA:goodjob: