LOL @ MOTIVATION = IMPORTS > ALL

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

Actually imports have the best handling, quickest Acceleration, Highest WHP, and most expensive vehicles... Honda's aren't the only import...

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

I can't believe he just said this.

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

[TheGrillMan]

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

I can't believe he just said this.

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:


umm i think he was speaking for stock from the factory

and bmw owns most american cars in those catagories

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

umm i think he was speaking for stock from the factory

and bmw owns most american cars in those catagories


Really? Name one BMW car that outruns a new z06? or zr1? Straightline or track?


:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

[slostang]

ferrari's, lamborghini's, porche's, etc are all imports.

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

ferrari's, lamborghini's, porche's, etc are all imports.

They all out dyno, and outperform american cars?

:lmfao:

[alpine_aw11]

They all out dyno, and outperform american cars?

:lmfao:

Overall exotics blow American cars away in pretty much every aspect. There's a couple American cars that compete, but in general exotics are much more performance oriented and it's pretty stupid to say otherwise.

[slostang]

They all out dyno, and outperform american cars?

:lmfao:


no need to jump on my nuts man. I simply stated a fact.

[TheGrillMan]

Really? Name one BMW car that outruns a new z06? or zr1? Straightline or track?


:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:


pretty much any m series

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

no need to jump on my nuts man. I simply stated a fact.

Domestic > Import.

I just stated a fact too. Can we be friends?

[slostang]

and I do believe that the koiensegg ccr (import) holds the world record for the fastest production car made.

[matthewAPM]

Really? Name one BMW car that outruns a new z06? or zr1? Straightline or track?


:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

BMW M3 GTR

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

pretty much any m series

LOL.

Name one M series car that has lapped the Nurburing faster than a z06 or a ZR1?

NONE.

Name any M Series car that is capable of 10's BONE Stock off the showroom floor like "Ranger" was able to get out of his bone stock z06? Let alone what the Zr1's will do.

NAME ONE.

[Motivation]

Umm... Yeah... They do... What is the highest dyno numbers of an american car from the factory compared to the highest dyno number of an Import? I would have to believe it's not an American car.

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

BMW M3 GTR

lmao.

C6R > M3 GTR.

[hydroshutter]

I think the Bugatti still holds that title.

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

Umm... Yeah... They do... What is the highest dyno numbers of an american car from the factory compared to the highest dyno number of an Import? I would have to believe it's not an American car.
How about you go look it up instead of spouting off BULL****.

:goodjob:

[Motivation]

edit: The Saleen S7 is at the top of some of the lists and it's origin is US.

[slostang]

Domestic > Import.

I just stated a fact too. Can we be friends?


LOL sure...

[Motivation]

lol, who the hell are you to talk about other's talking bull****? lol oh well, it's all in fun. I can't get mad over the internet, my life is above that.

[Z28]

I thought that the Veyron was fastest "production" still?

E: ^^ What hydroshutter said.

[TheGrillMan]

LOL.

Name one M series car that has lapped the Nurburing faster than a z06 or a ZR1?

NONE.

Name any M Series car that is capable of 10's BONE Stock off the showroom floor like "Ranger" was able to get out of his bone stock z06? Let alone what the Zr1's will do.

NAME ONE.

1. the ring is only one track and doesnt hold the bar for whats fast and what isnt even tho all these gtr fanboys will disagree

2. " like ranger was able to get out of his zo6"

drivers are differnt mah man not everyone is gods gift to driving like yourself

and as matthew said

m3 gtr

[eraser4g63]

didn't the new GTR toast the ZR-1? i may be wrong though.

[matthewAPM]

lmao.

C6R > M3 GTR.

you ask what BMW was faster than a *ZR1*. not a C6R

and if you wanna play that game Porsche RS Spyder > C6R

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

1. the ring is only one track and doesnt hold the bar for whats fast and what isnt even tho all these gtr fanboys will disagree

2. " like ranger was able to get out of his zo6"

drivers are differnt mah man not everyone is gods gift to driving like yourself

and as matthew said

m3 gtr

So I can walk down to my local dealer and order an M3 GTR, like I can a production z06 or zr1?

LOL.

You = owned.

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

didn't the new GTR toast the ZR-1? i may be wrong though.
You are. The GTR "beat" the z06, however the Zr1 left them both.

:goodjob:

[TheGrillMan]

So I can walk down to my local dealer and order an M3 GTR, like I can a production z06 or zr1?

LOL.

You = owned.


so you can get a zr1 allready?

this i didnt know

and sure you can go to a dealer and buy a m3 gtr

you wont beable to drive it home that day but you can still pay for it

[Z28]

didn't the new GTR toast the ZR-1? i may be wrong though.

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=22031

[matthewAPM]

I thought that the Veyron was fastest "production" still?

E: ^^ What hydroshutter said.

nope the SSC Ultimate Aero TT is the fastest.

[Z28]

nope the SSC Ultimate Aero TT is the fastest.

Oh, I'm mistake then. :cheers:

That SSC looks ferocious.

[Motivation]

The Veyron's tires will melt after 15 minutes of being at it's top speed. The fuel will run out in 12 as a safety precaution if at top speed... Must have a little power behind it and be able to reach some sort of high speed :rolleyes:

[FlipKing]

yeah, motivation has alot of good points, i'd like to see a chevy hold its own against a lambo or somthing of that nature, just saying, those really are "race" cars not just "weekend" cars.

[VTECking]

As much as I like imports I will have to take the side of only one domestic car, the c6 corvette. It is pretty much the only american sports car that has been done right. The Z06 and now the ZR1 have pushed the corvette to new benchmarks that only a few imports could ever dream of.

[OneSlow5pt0]

and I do believe that the koiensegg ccr (import) holds the world record for the fastest production car made.

no,its the veyron now.......plus the ccr has a ford v8

*edit aero now,forgat bout that

[Motivation]

As much as I like imports I will have to take the side of only one domestic car, the c6 corvette. It is pretty much the only american sports car that has been done right. The Z06 and now the ZR1 have pushed the corvette to new benchmarks that only a few imports could ever dream of.

I never said they weren't awesome cars. Like I said in the other thread, I think there should be a respect for all vehicles. A true enthusiast doesn't hate on something else cause he thinks something is better. They may have their preferences but when they see someone with a nice car, they will tell the person. I love domestic cars. I just love imports also.

[FlipKing]

I never said they weren't awesome cars. Like I said in the other thread, I think there should be a respect for all vehicles. A true enthusiast doesn't hate on something else cause he thinks something is better. They may have their preferences but when they see someone with a nice car, they will tell the person. I love domestic cars. I just love imports also.

QFT, I actually have a blog saying the same things on here. I think thacker is the worst car person I've ever heard of, he doesnt know how to appreciate a car that isnt his and doesnt have a V8. Most cars have good things or potential

[VTECking]

I never said they weren't awesome cars. Like I said in the other thread, I think there should be a respect for all vehicles. A true enthusiast doesn't hate on something else cause he thinks something is better. They may have their preferences but when they see someone with a nice car, they will tell the person. I love domestic cars. I just love imports also. I wasnt refering what I typed to you, I was just stating my opinion about the corvette in this argument.

[OneSlow5pt0]

yeah, motivation has alot of good points, i'd like to see a chevy hold its own against a lambo or somthing of that nature, just saying, those really are "race" cars not just "weekend" cars.

what?

:thinking:

[Motivation]

I wasnt refering what I typed to you, I was just stating my opinion about the corvette in this argument.

Oh I know... tis all good bro :goodjob:

[BobbyFresco]

IMO a true enthusiast can appreciate a car for what it is, a car, regardless of whether it's an import or domestic.

I don't even know why you guys continually give away minutes of your lives that you can't get back, to respond to anything Thacker has to say.:2cents:

[Motivation]

IMO a true enthusiast can appreciate a car for what it is, a car, regardless of whether it's an import or domestic.

I don't even know why you guys continually give away minutes of your lives that you can't get back, to respond to anything Thacker has to say.:2cents:


same reason you just did. :tongue1: lol jk

[OneSlow5pt0]

yea like imports and domestics,but i mean different strokes for different folks

but dont put down the Z06 or ZR1 both of these cars have left Ferrari,Lambo and Porsche not able to sleep

Chevy has been raising the bar everyyear for over 50 years,without changing thier market,this speaks volumes for them,such an amazing machine yet as simple as any chevy that come before it

[BobbyFresco]

Really? Name one BMW car that outruns a new z06? or zr1? Straightline or track?


:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:


Ok, I'll bite....

You're comparing a ZR1 to any M model BMW?

That's like comparing my diiiick to yours....
It's not a fair comparison, now is it?:lmfao:

[BobbyFresco]

same reason you just did. :tongue1: lol jk


Sadly enough, you're right and I have.:(

[Motivation]

Sadly enough, you're right and I have.:(


lol.

[Atlblkz06]

I thought this forum would be FILLED with threads like this one.
Thankfully its not!

No car is perfect, each is built to satisfy a certain need.

You can throw numbers on paper, but no car can really be compared on paper.
This is my take:

Imports: I have respect for them. It takes a lot of money, time and talent to build a good one. Any fool can go out, throw money and buy a fast car. Building one yourself is COMPLETELY different. That Supra I saw at the Varsity - hats off to that guy, that thing is a monster!

However, I'm not a fan of turbo-kitted cars that blow up in 2 years. Thats not what I'm talking about.


BMW M3 (E46): Boost that thing and make MAD power! Expensive parts though.
BMW M3 (E92): Classy car. I was on the list, but backed off when I remembered the first year nightmares with the S54. I didnt want to wait that long to get a car at MSRP either.
BMW M6: What can I say, DROOL.

Subaru STI/mods: I dont know much about them but a 400HP AWD car is a force to reckon with! I HATE the boy-band looks but I think the performance of the car will compel me to overlook that and buy one eventually.

R35: Freakin kick-ass car. Uses an ass ton of technology to beat physics. My kinda car! Only problem is the specialized oil changes etc etc. Its still brand new so its hard to get, dealer mark-ups etc. I want one, and might have one- ~2011...lol

Z06: Straight-line, not much can touch it. Surprisingly great with the curves. MAD power. BIG BIG DISCOUNTS at the dealership. My drive-out price was thousands less than sticker, and this was in Nov.
Biggest con? God damn it, someone get the cops off the street! :police:

Simply, I couldnt argue with a 500hp 3150lb car that came with a warranty :)


Gallardo: I've been in one - does that count?

Murcielago: I've seen one...thats about it

Saleen, C6R, C6RS, ZR1, etc etc - yea yea they cost 3 arms and 5 legs. FORGET IT!
You guys are comparing cars all over the board. WTF? You cant compare a 650k car to a $50k car. And NO, you cant go to a dealership and buy an M3 GTR that you can drive on the street.:thinking:

Fight on! This is quite fun to read :lmfao:

[Motivation]

I thought this forum would be FILLED with threads like this one.
Thankfully its not!

No car is perfect, each is built to satisfy a certain need.

You can throw numbers on paper, but no car can really be compared on paper.
This is my take:

Imports: I have respect for them. It takes a lot of money, time and talent to build a good one. Any fool can go out, throw money and buy a fast car. Building one yourself is COMPLETELY different. That Supra I saw at the Varsity - hats off to that guy, that thing is a monster!

However, I'm not a fan of turbo-kitted cars that blow up in 2 years. Thats not what I'm talking about.


BMW M3 (E46): Boost that thing and make MAD power! Expensive parts though.
BMW M3 (E92): Classy car. I was on the list, but backed off when I remembered the first year nightmares with the S54. I didnt want to wait that long to get a car at MSRP either.
BMW M6: What can I say, DROOL.

Subaru STI/mods: I dont know much about them but a 400HP AWD car is a force to reckon with! I HATE the boy-band looks but I think the performance of the car will compel me to overlook that and buy one eventually.

R35: Freakin kick-ass car. Uses an ass ton of technology to beat physics. My kinda car! Only problem is the specialized oil changes etc etc. Its still brand new so its hard to get, dealer mark-ups etc. I want one, and might have one- ~2011...lol

Z06: Straight-line, not much can touch it. Surprisingly great with the curves. MAD power. BIG BIG DISCOUNTS at the dealership. My drive-out price was thousands less than sticker, and this was in Nov.
Biggest con? God damn it, someone get the cops off the street! :police:

Simply, I couldnt argue with a 500hp 3150lb car that came with a warranty :)


Gallardo: I've been in one - does that count?

Murcielago: I've seen one...thats about it

Saleen, C6R, C6RS, ZR1, etc etc - yea yea they cost 3 arms and 5 legs. FORGET IT!
You guys are comparing cars all over the board. WTF? You cant compare a 650k car to a $50k car. And NO, you cant go to a dealership and buy an M3 GTR that you can drive on the street.:thinking:

Fight on! This is quite fun to read :lmfao:


Very well put sir. :goodjob: oh and the arguement earlier was if he could go to the dealer and ORDER one... so technically yes... But your answer shows you are an ACTUAL car enthusiast. I've seen the pics of your car. Thing is bad ass. No denying that.

[ranger250x]

well if we can order factory "ready-to-race" cars i want to hear opinion on the FR500C( ya know the mustang)

[alpine_aw11]

well if we can order factory "ready-to-race" cars i want to hear opinion on the FR500C( ya know the mustang)

Those things are ballin. They showed all of the new Mustangs that are out in a recent issue of Grassroots, some pretty badass specialized Mustangs are starting to come out for relatively low costs.

[hydroshutter]

Aren't the 500C's $125,000?

For that kind of change I'd buy a Z06 and still murder it. (assuming the FR500C has a 420hp cammer 5.0L engine according to my research- I could be wrong)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_FR500C

[alpine_aw11]

Aren't the 500C's $125,000?

For that kind of change I'd buy a Z06 and still murder it. (assuming the FR500C has a 420hp cammer 5.0L engine according to my research- I could be wrong)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_FR500C

With that motor it is, but the base v8 is around 70k I think. Other companies have come out with better options for a lot less, just they aren't race ready.

[hydroshutter]

With that motor it is, but the base v8 is around 70k I think. Other companies have come out with better options for a lot less, just they aren't race ready.

I guess the 125k was for a race-ready FR500. I still don't see the cost justification. I like some fords, but I'm going with Chebby on this one.

[.::UNKNOWN::.]

wow just wasted 3 pages of my life..... what i can get out of thacker is that he has no life... he comes on to an import site just to bash imports:thinking:..... dont get me wrong i love all cars the same.... all of which have pros and cons.... i had a 89 trans am that would run low 12s in the 1/4 mile but would drive str8 off a mountain in a mountain run..... my prelude will run low 15s but will make it down the mountain before the trans am hit the ground.... that is the great thing about cars every car has its pros and cons but it is what you make it.... and any true car "guy" will notice that.... :goodjob:

[alpine_aw11]

I guess the 125k was for a race-ready FR500. I still don't see the cost justification. I like some fords, but I'm going with Chebby on this one.

Both are race ready, just different motors. I would have to say I remain a Ford loyalist when it comes to domestics though.

But to get back on topic, it's impossible and also retarded to say that either domestics or imports are better than the other. I personally would have to lean towards imports, but both have pros and cons. Domestics are generally extremely inefficient, but in a straight line they're gonna win. Overall domestics can't compete with imports on a track, but it goes both ways. Mustangs are becoming really common for Koni and other series, and the Corvette team has been dominating in LeMans. It really goes both ways, just depends on your personal preference(or downright ignorance when it comes to most) on which you will side with. Any true car enthusiast will recognize the pros and cons of both sides, so this argument is pretty much meant for the ricers vs. the rednecks.

[Atlblkz06]

The drunk redneck will bring an 8 guage sawed-off shotgun and kill that crazy ricer with his 8th degree black belt in 1 fell swoop. GO REDNECK!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/142/319768281_f6e226ce7a.jpg?v=0
Merry Christmas RICER! :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

[hydroshutter]

There's a difference between "Rednecks", and people who own Domestics.

Domestics are just as competitive around the track and drag strip, so I will leave it at that to avoid having a biased opinion.

I like Imports, and I like Domestics. To continue this thread would be the equivalent to beating a dead horse.

[alpine_aw11]

There's a difference between "Rednecks", and people who own Domestics.

Domestics are just as competitive around the track and drag strip, so I will leave it at that to avoid having a biased opinion.

I like Imports, and I like Domestics. To continue this thread would be the equivalent to beating a dead horse.

I understand the difference, I'm just saying those are the people that will get into the retarded arguments about it.

[Nerdsrock22]

Well Car and Driver says:

What truly set the Fit apart was its handling — not a pretense of handling but the real deal, with springs and struts that allowed one gentle rebound and no more, the only car here that felt happy storming the switchbacks. We later confirmed this when the Fit sailed through our lane-change test 6 mph faster than anything else here — faster, in fact, than a Corvette Z06.

:taun:

*runs*

[Alan®]

Well Car and Driver says:


:taun:

*runs*
:eek:

[OneSlow5pt0]

that fit must have had a hemi

[Nerdsrock22]

Maybe I should run against Thacker.

I mean if its 6 mph faster than a Z06, I pity the GTO. :boxing:






























:lmfao:

[81911SC]

I see why everybody thinks Thacker is a b1tch.

[Atlblkz06]

2500lb, that's pretty impressive for a car with so much room. What kinda mileage do you get?

I'll go first.. uhh 17.

[Nerdsrock22]

right about 30 if i drive normal.

45 if I hypermile. :D

BTW I love Vette's, just playing around. :goodjob:

[OneSlow5pt0]

right about 30 if i drive normal.

45 if I hypermile. :D

BTW I love Vette's, just playing around. :goodjob:

holy shat.......thats nice milage,the fit is pretty nice.....for a honda:ninja:

[87 Turbo II]

who gives a **** where your car was made?

[Thighs]

all cars have their pros and cons, and you cant compare across classes. honda COULD have made the civic outhandle and outperform a zr-1, but they didnt because its a civic. it works that way no matter what car.

[Catnip]

LOL at people saying one is better than the other.

My dad's camaro will rape any car of thackers and shep's dsm will rape any car of thackers and the AEM sponsored 6 second "civic" will rape any car of thackers. My car tuned would probably rape thackers car. He's not the shiit, get off his nuts whenever he shows us he has a small pee pee.

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

LOL at people saying one is better than the other.

My dad's camaro will rape any car of thackers and shep's dsm will rape any car of thackers and the AEM sponsored 6 second "civic" will rape any car of thackers. My car tuned would probably rape thackers car. He's not the shiit, get off his nuts whenever he shows us he has a small pee pee.

Nothing you own, will ever compete with what I own.

If you believe otherwise, make the callout.. and lets see it happen.

[81911SC]

Yep, clearly a ******.

[.::UNKNOWN::.]

Yep, clearly a ******.
agreed he speaks like a true douche nozzle



oh and btw nerdsrock i read that same motor trend artcle

[Alan®]

I don't understand why people still debate this crap. There are good cars from both camps.

Domestic:
Mustang
Camaro
Challenger
SRT-4
SS Cobalt
SRT-8 Charger
GTO(Although really if you think about it it's an import with the heart of domestic)
Corvette
CTS-V
Solstice GXP
G8(same as the GTO)
Sky Redline
Ford GT

Import:
ITR
S2000
Civic SI
NSX
Supra
GTR(R33 IMHO is the best ever made despite the vast accomplishments of the new one)
Silvia
MR2
Celica GT4
TT
R8
S4
S5
A8
R32
GTI
135i
335i
M3
M6
M5
C63
E(forget the number)AMG
SL55
CLK63
SLK63

the list goes on and on. The point is there is no comparing one to the other because the cars are simply so different it's not even funny and their's no point. But if you want to compare certian ones then you can but like I said incredibly difficult.

[Nerdsrock22]

oh the shiz is about to hit the fan when somebody finds out their car isn't listed.

Like me. :cussing:

lol.

[DieselNuts]

I just read all 4 pages of this thread. Im pretty sure everyone has repeated what everyone else has said....and as usual, thacker is the only one with his view...

[Catnip]

Nothing you own, will ever compete with what I own.

If you believe otherwise, make the callout.. and lets see it happen.

LOL. like they said, you're a douche. You aren't familiar with AWD DSM's are you?

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g146/84_318i/DSC00004-14.jpg
that's all.

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

LOL. like they said, you're a douche. You aren't familiar with AWD DSM's are you?

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g146/84_318i/DSC00004-14.jpg
that's all.

I am very familiar with DSM's, enough to know that the **** you own, can't outrun the **** I own.

Want to prove me otherwise?

Make the call out.

:goodjob:

[stillaneon]

LOL.

Name one M series car that has lapped the Nurburing faster than a z06 or a ZR1?

NONE.

Name any M Series car that is capable of 10's BONE Stock off the showroom floor like "Ranger" was able to get out of his bone stock z06? Let alone what the Zr1's will do.

NAME ONE.

Who needs to
Three Letters:


G T R

[stillaneon]

I don't understand why people still debate this crap. There are good cars from both camps.

Domestic:
Mustang
Camaro
Challenger
SRT-4
SS Cobalt
SRT-8 Charger
GTO(Although really if you think about it it's an import with the heart of domestic)
Corvette
CTS-V
Solstice GXP
G8(same as the GTO)
Sky Redline
Ford GT

Import:
ITR
S2000
Civic SI
NSX
Supra
GTR(R33 IMHO is the best ever made despite the vast accomplishments of the new one)
Silvia
MR2
Celica GT4
TT
R8
S4
S5
A8
R32
GTI
135i
335i
M3
M6
M5
C63
E(forget the number)AMG
SL55
CLK63
SLK63

the list goes on and on. The point is there is no comparing one to the other because the cars are simply so different it's not even funny and their's no point. But if you want to compare certian ones then you can but like I said incredibly difficult.

When did the mustang becaome a sports car?

The only mustang that matters is a Cobra.

[Nemesis]

Who needs to
Three Letters:


G T R


Unless Im wrong, but the GT-R was beaten by the Zr-1 according to lap times on the Nurburgring.

[Nemesis]

When did the mustang becaome a sports car?

The only mustang that matters is a Cobra.


When did an SRT-4? or a Camaro? That list wasnt for "sports cars" The Mustang has never been classified as a "sports car" persay.

The only Mustang that matters is a Cobra? Matters in what? 1/4 mile times? Road racing? What? Top Ford cars in the Koni Challenge are S197s. Cobras are awesome, if we're talking about 03-04s.... is that what you are reffering to?

[Alan®]

When did the mustang becaome a sports car?

The only mustang that matters is a Cobra.
In case you didn't notice I didn't just put sports cars up there.

[Nemesis]

In case you didn't notice I didn't just put sports cars up there.

No, he didnt.

[Nemesis]

The whole entire argument between what is better, imports or domestics is stupid. Maybe 10-20 years ago, there would have been a clear and cut line, but FACE IT people, times have changed. Automotive tech, tuning, and advancements have come leaps and bounds above what it used to be.

You can take a turd box of a Honda and toss thousands of dollars at it, and it will become a nice/quick car. But face it, no matter how much you polish a turd, its still a turd. Not meaning to offend with that last comment, but this whole argument comes down to what cars handle well out of the box. In my opinion I think there are more imports that can rip domestics apart in most forms of motorsports, OUT OF THE BOX, however any car can be made to handle well/rip a quick 1320/ or tear up a lap record with enough money. But what I just said is my opinion. Ive owned imports and domestics, and I like both, even though Ive never ridden or driven in a Honda I liked, power wise thats for sure, and handling.

[Alan®]

The whole entire argument between what is better, imports or domestics is stupid. Maybe 10-20 years ago, there would have been a clear and cut line, but FACE IT people, times have changed. Automotive tech, tuning, and advancements have come leaps and bounds above what it used to be.

You can take a turd box of a Honda and toss thousands of dollars at it, and it will become a nice/quick car. But face it, no matter how much you polish a turd, its still a turd. Not meaning to offend with that last comment, but this whole argument comes down to what cars handle well out of the box. In my opinion I think there are more imports that can rip domestics apart in most forms of motorsports, OUT OF THE BOX, however any car can be made to handle well/rip a quick 1320/ or tear up a lap record with enough money.
QFT

[Nerdsrock22]

Not to mention, its dumb to compare cars from one country, to cars from every other country in the world.

Buy the car. Be happy with the strengths, but be willing to admit the weaknesses. Everybody ends up with good conversation instead of pointless bickering.

[Nemesis]

I dont know, I see where Thacker is coming from. This board is filled with people that will spout off,

"mustangs cant turn", "gtos cant turn" , " I can school your domestic at any road course", "my domestic will tear all imports a new one"

Its ignorant comments like that, that get threads like this going. Theres always someone faster then you, theres always someone with more money than you, but blanket statements about other makes and models will get you nowhere.

I get a kick out of the guy that says, "I beat a Mustang"..... do they even know how many makes/years/models/motors a Mustang is?!

[DrivenMind]

Domestic > Import.

I just stated a fact too. Can we be friends?

No good.

Domestic manufactures do a very poor job of extracting the same amount of energy per liter of displacement as their foreign counter parts. My old AE86 Corolla made the same horsepower per liter as a Z06.

If Honda were to make a engine as big as the one found in a Z06, I assure you it would probably do filthy things to American egos. It's nothing personal. GM just isn't big on energy efficiency. And don't be a dummy, there are lots of exotics that can hang with, if not outrun American supercars. I hope you haven't forgotten about the new GT-R, and the

Now don't get my wrong, I think a big rumbling V8 is hard to beat when it comes to that grab you by the balls kind of feel and sound. But a Fearrai, or still screams like an angry hot woman during sex, will run with a Corvette on the track, and will get you laid eight times as fast as a Corvette too. And don't forget about the 911 GT2, or anything from Ruf.

Although I think the Viper's V10 sounds really cool too. (same for the new M5)

Although I agree with everyone else. This is a really dumb argument.

[OneSlow5pt0]

I dont know, I see where Thacker is coming from. This board is filled with people that will spout off,

"mustangs cant turn", "gtos cant turn" , " I can school your domestic at any road course", "my domestic will tear all imports a new one"

Its ignorant comments like that, that get threads like this going. Theres always someone faster then you, theres always someone with more money than you, but blanket statements about other makes and models will get you nowhere.

I get a kick out of the guy that says, "I beat a Mustang"..... do they even know how many makes/years/models/motors a Mustang is?!

yea i agree,lot people dont think domestic can handle ,but imo,my camaro handles well for stock car ,but my tires give out way before my car does..well least i like how it handles and having the TQ to push it through corners

yep,like u said thiers always someone faster

[OnURleft]

Only the most successful American cars could sell in Europe. European roads are insanely windy, tight, demand a tight turning circle and are fast. The European market demands small peppy, fun to drive and fuel efficient cars that will put up with the most grueling cold weather. It's why you can rent your basic A3 in Germany, go 140, fly through the Alps and get 45mpg. Most all of OUR American cars wouldn't suffice, except for maybe an SVT/Cosworth Focus or Cobalt SS...two cars in which their companies invested millions in to be a successful in Europe.

U.S roads are "mostly" stop and go and flat per square mile compared to all of Europe. Our current domestics (except a few) would be a joke to most Europeans and the reason we have imports and why imports are here is because our own economy can't produce good enough vehicles. It's hard to find our imports in Europe that are not our cars specifically made for their market, and it is nearly impossible to find our American domestics (STS, Malibu, Century) in Europe...yet imports here are a dime a dozen and most perferred by American Magazines comparison after comparison. The quality American cars out now are simply copies of European sedans, hot hatches, wagons etc..except for the legendary Vette/Viper/Stang. Those are in a class of their own.

[Nemesis]

Only the most successful American cars could sell in Europe. European roads are insanely windy, tight, demand a tight turning circle and are fast. The European market demands small peppy, fun to drive and fuel efficient cars that will put up with the most grueling cold weather. It's why you can rent your basic A3 in Germany, go 140, fly through the Alps and get 45mpg. U.S roads are "mostly" stop and go and flat per square mile to all of Europe. Our current domestics (except a few) would be a joke to most Europeans and the reason we have imports and why imports are here is because our own economy can't produce good enough vehicles.

I dont know about other makes but Ford has a completely different line of a vehicles sold in Europe and a lot of special versions for that region.

Such as the Mondeo, ST200 series vehicles, RS, etc etc.

[Alan®]

I dont know about other makes but Ford has a completely different line of a vehicles sold in Europe and a lot of special versions for that region.

Such as the Mondeo, ST200 series vehicles, RS, etc etc.
I saw a mondeo in Atlanta awhile back and they really should bring that here.

[OnURleft]

I dont know about other makes but Ford has a completely different line of a vehicles sold in Europe and a lot of special versions for that region.

Such as the Mondeo, ST200 series vehicles, RS, etc etc.

edited. you got me before i finished

[Nerdsrock22]

http://www.damascusroadchurch.org/mediafiles/hank-hill.jpg

So are you chinese or japanese?

[Deke]

Only the most successful American cars could sell in Europe. European roads are insanely windy, tight, demand a tight turning circle and are fast. The European market demands small peppy, fun to drive and fuel efficient cars that will put up with the most grueling cold weather. It's why you can rent your basic A3 in Germany, go 140, fly through the Alps and get 45mpg. Most all of OUR American cars wouldn't suffice, except for maybe an SVT/Cosworth Focus or Cobalt SS...two cars in which their companies invested millions in to be a successful in Europe.


I'll agree wih everything except the "peppy" part. With the exception of Germany (out of the countries I've seen), Europe was flooded with Smart cars and the like. Lots of econo-boxes with tiny engines and very little get up. Basically small things that can fit on the congested roads, but horsepower was definitely not a focus. I'm not saying you didn't see fast cars here and there, I'm just saying the majority of autos had fuel efficiency in mind.

[Rican219]

Cobalier OWnZ U ALLL!!!

[OnURleft]

I'll agree wih everything except the "peppy" part. With the exception of Germany (out of the countries I've seen), Europe was flooded with Smart cars and the like. Lots of econo-boxes with tiny engines and very little get up. Basically small things that can fit on the congested roads, but horsepower was definitely not a focus. I'm not saying you didn't see fast cars here and there, I'm just saying the majority of autos had fuel efficiency in mind.

True, but most of these diesels and econo cars make full torque near idle all the way to redline and have a very smoothe powerband which makes it very easy to drive fast regardless of their lack of actual hp. If you don't believe me go drive the new Legacy turbo diesel or a TDI Jetta...They drive amazing and will fly down the highway with zero power. European cars utilize the most with the least. ..unlike most coffee grinding American shi.t boxes which take 3 seconds for the 4 speed autobox to slam down a gear before you barrel down the road in your flying sofa. It humorous driving almost any used or older American sedan with an autobox.

[David88vert]

Thacker's car is an import.

Out of the box, and at a similar price, an Ariel Atom will beat a ZR1. It's available as both a domestic and an import. Oh yeah, I like Vettes, and am not downing the ZR1 in any way. There is just always something faster.

[Z28]

Domestic manufactures do a very poor job of extracting the same amount of energy per liter of displacement as their foreign counter parts. My old AE86 Corolla made the same horsepower per liter as a Z06.

If Honda were to make a engine as big as the one found in a Z06, I assure you it would probably do filthy things to American egos. It's nothing personal. GM just isn't big on energy efficiency. And don't be a dummy, there are lots of exotics that can hang with, if not outrun American supercars.

HP per Liter solely wins races now? A pushrod motor has a flatter torque curve, and makes more HP per pound.

But you might want to look down on BMW and Mercedes V12s and V10s too, since they have "less than stellar" HP/L. When I had my 240SX I used to hear people say what you said, and I disagreed then, and I do now.

[Catnip]

I am very familiar with DSM's, enough to know that the **** you own, can't outrun the **** I own.

Want to prove me otherwise?

Make the call out.

:goodjob:

What exactly does my shiit have done to it? Race me, 0-60.

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

What exactly does my shiit have done to it? Race me, 0-60.
You've got a callout in the killsforum.
:goodjob:

[81911SC]

Thacker,
Who the hell told you were a badass?