Which car is the greatest racer of all time?

[RWD164]

I thought I would post this thread to see what kind of responses it generates. Here is the question, Which car do you think is the greatest racecar of all time? Can be from Rally, Lemans, or Touring cars.

MA

[OneSlow5pt0]

Le Mans

Mazda 787B

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Mazda-787B.JPG/800px-Mazda-787B.JPG

[EJ25RUN]

This is too broad.

LeMans -

Porsche 956
http://news-images.caradisiac.com/IMG/jpg/7/6/9/1/3/Porsche-956-1_grande.jpg

F1 -

Lotus type 72
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Lotus_72_JPS.jpg/771px-Lotus_72_JPS.jpg

Rally -

Ford Escort MKII

http://www.mantaworld.com/img/gallery/classic-cars/beaulieu2005/images/DSCF0050_JPG.jpg

Touring Car -

1987 BMW M3 1987-1991
http://www.zandbak.net/classic/89dtm/004.jpg


There are many more because this is way to subjective.

[OneSlow5pt0]

agreed.......but id knew u wuld bring out some nice cars ej

[EJ25RUN]

Honorable Mention

LeMans -

1966 Ford GT40 MKII

http://mygt40.com/myPictures/66_daytona_winner.jpg

F1 -

1988 Mclaren MP4/4

http://www.in.gr/auto/agwnistika/big/in_Ayrton_Senna_12.jpg

Rally -

Lancia Delta S4/Integrale 1986-1991

http://www.puntosportivo.it/public/lanciadeltaS4588202.jpg

Touring Car -

1973 3.0 CSL

http://www.autotrend.com/pic/p655.jpg

[81911SC]

This is too broad.

LeMans -

Porsche 956
http://news-images.caradisiac.com/IMG/jpg/7/6/9/1/3/Porsche-956-1_grande.jpg


2nd vote for the 956 and I'll post the

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w94/81911/porsche_917k_le-mans.jpg

[RWD164]

Here is a link for your Porsche viewing pleasure

http://www.rennsport2007.com/groupphoto.htm

MA

[EJ25RUN]

Here is a link for your Porsche viewing pleasure

http://www.rennsport2007.com/groupphoto.htm

MA

That's a wallpaper on one of my laptops.

[81911SC]

Here is a link for your Porsche viewing pleasure

http://www.rennsport2007.com/groupphoto.htm

MANow that's what I'm talking about.

[81911SC]

EJ, there is a road legal 962 for sale if you want it. lol

[RWD164]

Is it one of the Dauer 962's?

[81911SC]

If a Carrera GT is just a bit too dull for you, and a Pagani Zonda is too common, then may I recommend that you investigate the Porsche 962 which is currently for sale at the Elms Collection. These type of cars do not come up for sale very often, so Lusso investigated.

The Porsche 962 is a legendary car, having numerous Le Mans and IMSA wins to its name. The car was a sports-prototype racing car built by Porsche to replace the 956. It was introduced at the end of 1984 and quickly gained success through privateer owners. It is very rare that a 962 comes up for sale, nevermind one that has a tax disc!

This particular model has the honour of gaining the approval of 962 maestro Derek Bell, and was constructed between 2001 and 2005 by ex Sauber engineer Ernest Schlaepfe in New Zealand. The build cost was 2million dollars, and was built utilising an aluminium genuine IMSA chassis supplied by Porsche Le Mans winner Hurley Haywood.

The interior even has leather trimmed bucket seats with six point harnesses, a collapsible steering column and detachable Momo racing wheel. The body is the 'long tail' version in full carbon fibre. The quality of engineering and workmanship is second to none.

The car is fully road legal, coming with a valid UK V5 and MOT documents. The car is a barely disguised racing car for the road, and has to be the ultimate car to ever carry number plates and makes a Ferrari F40 seem quite sedate.

Investment wise, this car's value is only ever going to increase.

For further enquiries please contact Dion Speak at Elms Collection on 01245 426587

[Nemesis]

The Honda






























Civic.

[OneSlow5pt0]

lol,i like the 1st line..........man i love Zondas

[EJ25RUN]

Now that's what I'm talking about.
This is of the top of my head.....

white car - 917 - Canam v16 prototype
#23 - 917k1970 Le Mans winner with Richard Attwood and Hansd Herman
#22 - 917k 1971 Le Mans winner
#3 - 917L 2nd place 1970 Le Mans
#48 - 917/10 1973 Interserie Champion
#6 - 917/30 Can Am champ
#59 - 917/10 1972 Can Am Champ
#20 - Steve Mcqueen 917
#23 - 917/20 Pink Pig 1971 LeMans
#21 - 1971 LeMans
# 1 - 917 Spyder Interserie 1971

*Checks if they are right*

http://www.supercars.net/Pics?viewPic=y&source=gal&uID=119513&gID=1618&pgID=1&pID=689530&first=true

[EJ25RUN]

The Honda
Civic.

Damn right.

In the mid 80's the AE86 vs Civic vs what DIV. 1 of Group A was all about.

You guys gotta remember that because of things like homoligation, Vtec and 4AG made their way into street cars. HRC had already developed a two lobe system for their bikes in an attempt to make the 4stroke as fast as a 2stroke. Honda had to develop a 1600cc engine for this class. Hmm a twin cam 1.6L Vtec motor???? I wonder what that is? ;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Mugen-MOTUL-CIVIC-Si-racecar..JPG/800px-Mugen-MOTUL-CIVIC-Si-racecar..JPG
http://img330.imageshack.us/img330/8732/aya7.jpg
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00459/Chilton_682x400_459037a.jpg

[EJ25RUN]

If a Carrera GT is just a bit too dull for you, and a Pagani Zonda is too common, then may I recommend that you investigate the Porsche 962 which is currently for sale at the Elms Collection. These type of cars do not come up for sale very often, so Lusso investigated.

The Porsche 962 is a legendary car, having numerous Le Mans and IMSA wins to its name. The car was a sports-prototype racing car built by Porsche to replace the 956. It was introduced at the end of 1984 and quickly gained success through privateer owners. It is very rare that a 962 comes up for sale, nevermind one that has a tax disc!

This particular model has the honour of gaining the approval of 962 maestro Derek Bell, and was constructed between 2001 and 2005 by ex Sauber engineer Ernest Schlaepfe in New Zealand. The build cost was 2million dollars, and was built utilising an aluminium genuine IMSA chassis supplied by Porsche Le Mans winner Hurley Haywood.

The interior even has leather trimmed bucket seats with six point harnesses, a collapsible steering column and detachable Momo racing wheel. The body is the 'long tail' version in full carbon fibre. The quality of engineering and workmanship is second to none.

The car is fully road legal, coming with a valid UK V5 and MOT documents. The car is a barely disguised racing car for the road, and has to be the ultimate car to ever carry number plates and makes a Ferrari F40 seem quite sedate.

Investment wise, this car's value is only ever going to increase.

For further enquiries please contact Dion Speak at Elms Collection on 01245 426587

None of the 962...dauer, Koenig, Schuppan or DP were legal for U.S. But that didn't stop Mclaren F1 buyers. :D

[industrial_1]

http://files.automotiveforums.com/racingandbeyond/uploaded_images/kpgc10-797044.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3192/2306757754_e1bf66efb4.jpg


http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/950196.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19390335F8FA9CA92A6D0857BD26BA8063C A40A659CEC4C8CB6
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/ARTA_NSX_01.jpg/800px-ARTA_NSX_01.jpghttp://www.datsun510.net/gallery/photo/nismo/03r32cal.jpghttp://farm1.static.flickr.com/121/289094295_0652b585ed.jpg?v=0

Most of my other favs are already mentioned.

[EJ25RUN]

Japan fan ey?

Ill do one with the best Japan cars later.

[OneSlow5pt0]

Japan fan ey?

Ill do one with the best Japan cars later.

its already been posted:D

[industrial_1]

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/4305/pic021sc.jpg

http://www.autosrapidos.com/superautos/s/suzuki-escudopikespeak01.jpg

http://totalcar.index.hu/images/testbemutato/alfa155/dtm1.jpg

few others came to mind.

[RWD164]

This is of the top of my head.....

white car - 917 - Canam v16 prototype
#23 - 917k1970 Le Mans winner with Richard Attwood and Hansd Herman
#22 - 917k 1971 Le Mans winner
#3 - 917L 2nd place 1970 Le Mans
#48 - 917/10 1973 Interserie Champion
#6 - 917/30 Can Am champ
#59 - 917/10 1972 Can Am Champ
#20 - Steve Mcqueen 917
#23 - 917/20 Pink Pig 1971 LeMans
#21 - 1971 LeMans
# 1 - 917 Spyder Interserie 1971

*Checks if they are right*

http://www.supercars.net/Pics?viewPic=y&source=gal&uID=119513&gID=1618&pgID=1&pID=689530&first=true

Pretty Much Spot on. Only 2 errors (1 for sure, 1 maybe). The 1972 Can-Am champion car was sponsored by L&M Cigarettes, and then rebodied and sponsored by RC cola in 1973. The other is the #48 car is a 917/30. Don't mean to nitpick :rolleyes:

MA

[EJ25RUN]

Pretty Much Spot on. Only 2 errors (1 for sure, 1 maybe). The 1972 Can-Am champion car was sponsored by L&M Cigarettes, and then rebodied and sponsored by RC cola in 1973. The other is the #48 car is a 917/30. Don't mean to nitpick :rolleyes:

MA

Good eye.

#48 is a 917/30. i was thinking about the Willie Kausen 917/10 cause that's how i remmeber it......i didn;t even look at it right :doh:

the other 917/10 in the pic looks to wear Brumos paint. I think your one of FEW that could call me on that.

[primespark22]

http://www.motorsportphotos.de/Gallerie/00ELMS_ORECA_Viper2.jpg


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2323/2400011867_2169ac9c69.jpg?v=0
my favorite not the best but i like

[EJ25RUN]

http://www.motorsportphotos.de/Gallerie/00ELMS_ORECA_Viper2.jpg

my favorite not the best but i like

Because the French build the best Vipers :D


Ok Ok OK.....The Germans too.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/84/242711856_08ca888cee.jpg?v=1191316301

[Atlblkz06]

HATS OFF TO AUDI!
http://digiads.com.au/car-news/images/2007/03/thumbs/lrg_article_9663-img_0.jpg

DIESEL POWER!!

[RWD164]

HATS OFF TO AUDI!
http://digiads.com.au/car-news/images/2007/03/thumbs/lrg_article_9663-img_0.jpg

DIESEL POWER!!

I think the R10 is a good car, but they would be taken to the next level in my eyes if they had some real competition. peugeot took it to them this year, but reliability hurt them. If someone like a Porsche or Volkswagen or Ferrari put some cash into an LMP1 car, I don't think the Audi would be so dominant.

[v3rd1g0]

http://adisney.go.com/disneyvideos/animatedfilms/cars/us/portraits/mcqueen3_large.jpg

[JITB]

my picks

http://www.comp.co.uk/gallery/pics/FORD%20ESCORT%20COSWORTH%208X18%20CXT.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Mazda-787B.JPG/800px-Mazda-787B.JPG
http://k43.pbase.com/u43/yelferrari/large/33667482.RealtimeAcuraIntegraTypeRPaddock.jpg
http://www.offroad.no/snitz/uploaded/9inchisking/Suzuki%20Escudo%20Pikes%20Peak%20Version!!.jpg
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_bEuD40OPZV0/R2zhKa2tWUI/AAAAAAAAAzw/xc8Jha-DBjk/CHEVROLET+CORVETTE+C5R+1.jpg

[EJ25RUN]

I think the R10 is a good car, but they would be taken to the next level in my eyes if they had some real competition. peugeot took it to them this year, but reliability hurt them. If someone like a Porsche or Volkswagen or Ferrari put some cash into an LMP1 car, I don't think the Audi would be so dominant.

Here is the issue..... VW and Audi are under the same group that makes those decisions and it wouldn't make financial sense to market TDI with two different LMP1 cars.

Porsche can be considered the tip of this umbrella as they will have 51% of VW group by the end of this year. It's just too much money to throw at a sport that you already dominate. Besides, Porsche isn't in desperate need to bring back their racing pedegree as they are still king in LMP2 in ALMS and ELMS.

Ferrari is busy with their F1 program. (Something they fund without the help of Fiat) and are using Maserati to handle the higher levels of sports car and GT racing duties. The Vitaphone MC12 just won the Spa 12 hours. But the biggest hurdle for Ferrari/Maserati is the fact that the diesels are the cars to beat and i doubt the Prancing Horse and the Trident have any desire to build a diesel.

The mark that has the higgest chance to take the fight to Audi is Jaguar. With them being purchaced by TATA, Ratan TATA has said he would like to see Jaguar return to the pinnacle of sports car racing but it is unclear which class. This is all speculation though.