Powershifting...Skill or Stupidity?

[Reaper]

This is an extension from ThackerSS's thread in the Killsforum O.T.

He said that DieselNuts "granny shifts" and isn't as skilled as himself, posted a video of his "skill" which is nothing but powershifting.

IMO:
-It's terrible for your car
-Not hard to learn
-Not a skill in any way shape or form, in turn not making you a "good driver"

Discuss.

[DieselNuts]

agreed on all accounts. My clutch is more important to me than 1 mph and .1-.2 in the 1/4 mile...

[mocha latte cupcake]

WEK SOS. welcome to power shifting... my buddy has been doing it for quite some time and his technique is OH MY GODLIKE! and yet... he wonders why his shifter is bent... not to mention he broke his shift fork :D GO POWERSHIFTING! it makes you have a bigger balls too!

[Reaper]

I mean honestly, I taught myself how to "powershift" in my POS mustang when I was 16. Its not hard. Woopdeefreakingdoo...you may be ahead in the race, my sh*ts gonna last 10k miles longer though(atleast).

Here's another thing, a REAL driver, wouldn't have to result to powershifting. If you can launch the car properly(not saying he can't b/c we all know he can), and shift QUICK ENOUGH NOT POWERSHIFTING I PROMISE there is little to NO difference.

just my:2cents:

[JITB]

i woudl do that to my ole protege on hwy runs... and when i swapped the motor, a friend of mine got my old tranny , and it locked up about 3 days after...lol And as much as i hate working on anything tranny related, ill refrain!

[LightningSpeed]

what is a good definition of "POWER SHIFTING"?
a. Shifting really fast and hard
b. Shifting with both throttle and clutch on the floor as quickly as possible

IMO both A and B are pointless, only place where these techniques might be viable is at the 1/4 mile track, wouldn't even be necessary on a circuit.

and really there are very few cases on the streets where the 2 cars that are racing will have the same everything. resulting in a (driver vs driver) or (shifting vs shifting) race.

So to whoever is racing a car with a different hp/tq why bother? you either gonna win or lose with the power you have under the hood.

and to be honest, i love granny shifting vs a slower car, gives them hope during my 3 second shifts.

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

and to be honest, i love granny shifting vs a slower car, gives them hope during my 3 second shifts.

I am guilty of that against Dieselnuts's Cobra..... when you look out your side and you can see the car your racing in full view in the side view you just know its not close nor is it worth messing up.

Just run out the race, and let them think they were closer then they would have been.

:lmfao:

[Maniacc]

This is an extension from ThackerSS's thread in the Killsforum O.T.

He said that DieselNuts "granny shifts" and isn't as skilled as himself, posted a video of his "skill" which is nothing but powershifting.

IMO:
-It's terrible for your car
-Not hard to learn
-Not a skill in any way shape or form, in turn not making you a "good driver"

Discuss.
Actually. I disagree with your logic.

-People that claim it's bad for your car, aren't doing it right. I know people who no lift shift all the time and have had no problems what so ever with their transmission. If you don't know how to do it, then yes, you will damage your tranny or worse. Since a lot of people bounce on the rev limiter when attempting it.

-It's not hard to learn, if you know exactly what you have to do to do a perfect NLS(no-lift-shift). I can bet it would take numerous time's for someone to actually master it, go ahead, try it next time you're driving. I can bet $100 that you fail. (This comment is for anyone, not just the OP, and Im being sarcastic about the $100 bet btw)

-I agree that you don't have to know how to NLS to be considered a good driver. But if you're into street racing it could help you out a ton. Help you out at the track too. On a turbo car, you would hold boost through out all the gears(how ever many you use). :2cents:

As a side note, no lift shifting is super fun! :D

[Arm&hammer]

Actually. I disagree with your logic.

-People that claim it's bad for your car, aren't doing it right. I know people who no lift shift all the time and have had no problems what so ever with their transmission. If you don't know how to do it, then yes, you will damage your tranny or worse. Since a lot of people bounce on the rev limiter when attempting it.

-It's not hard to learn, if you know exactly what you have to do to do a perfect NLS(no-lift-shift). I can bet it would take numerous time's for someone to actually master it, go ahead, try it next time you're driving. I can bet $100 that you fail. (This comment is for anyone, not just the OP, and Im being sarcastic about the $100 bet btw)

-I agree that you don't have to know how to NLS to be considered a good driver. But if you're into street racing it could help you out a ton. Help you out at the track too. On a turbo car, you would hold boost through out all the gears(how ever many you use). :2cents:

As a side note, no lift shifting is super fun! :D


yeah i agree with him
shift with your brain, not muscle

[Brown Man]

i dont do it. i like my clutch.

[TS240]

Actually. I disagree with your logic.

-People that claim it's bad for your car, aren't doing it right. I know people who no lift shift all the time and have had no problems what so ever with their transmission. If you don't know how to do it, then yes, you will damage your tranny or worse. Since a lot of people bounce on the rev limiter when attempting it.

-It's not hard to learn, if you know exactly what you have to do to do a perfect NLS(no-lift-shift). I can bet it would take numerous time's for someone to actually master it, go ahead, try it next time you're driving. I can bet $100 that you fail. (This comment is for anyone, not just the OP, and Im being sarcastic about the $100 bet btw)

-I agree that you don't have to know how to NLS to be considered a good driver. But if you're into street racing it could help you out a ton. Help you out at the track too. On a turbo car, you would hold boost through out all the gears(how ever many you use). :2cents:

As a side note, no lift shifting is super fun! :D

X2!!!!!:cheers:
Im pretty sure Thacker has mentioned that his Camaro is a "RACE CAR"
Why would you NOT power shift in a "race car"????:doh:

[G.C]

When it comes to racing for money i say power shift. But other than that Granny shift is good enough.
You can always tell how there shifting by the engine noise too.

The Granny Shifters sound like this- Waaaaaaaaa! -moment of silence- Wuh, Waaaaaaaaa!

The good Speed Shifters sound like this- Waaaaaaa !-tiny delay- Waaaaaaaa! With less rpm drop the engine does not bog down going into the next gear-

The Power Shifters sound like this Waaaaaaa! WHAA! Waaaaaaa! WHAA! Waaaaaa! WHAA! Waaaaa! The rpms not only don’t drop- they actually go up between shifts since the throttle is wide open the whole time!

[slostang]

Actually. I disagree with your logic.

-People that claim it's bad for your car, aren't doing it right. I know people who no lift shift all the time and have had no problems what so ever with their transmission. If you don't know how to do it, then yes, you will damage your tranny or worse. Since a lot of people bounce on the rev limiter when attempting it.

-It's not hard to learn, if you know exactly what you have to do to do a perfect NLS(no-lift-shift). I can bet it would take numerous time's for someone to actually master it, go ahead, try it next time you're driving. I can bet $100 that you fail. (This comment is for anyone, not just the OP, and Im being sarcastic about the $100 bet btw)

-I agree that you don't have to know how to NLS to be considered a good driver. But if you're into street racing it could help you out a ton. Help you out at the track too. On a turbo car, you would hold boost through out all the gears(how ever many you use). :2cents:

As a side note, no lift shifting is super fun! :D


I will seriously bet $1,000 I can "NLS" all day long. never miss a shift and never lift at all. :ninja:

[Brown Man]

When it comes to racing for money i say power shift. But other than that Granny shift is good enough.
You can always tell how there shifting by the engine noise too.

The Granny Shifters sound like this- Waaaaaaaaa! -moment of silence- Wuh, Waaaaaaaaa!

The good Speed Shifters sound like this- Waaaaaaa !-tiny delay- Waaaaaaaa! With less rpm drop the engine does not bog down going into the next gear-

The Power Shifters sound like this Waaaaaaa! WHAA! Waaaaaaa! WHAA! Waaaaaa! WHAA! Waaaaa! The rpms not only don’t drop- they actually go up between shifts since the throttle is wide open the whole time!

and this is how v-tec sounds mmmmmmmmbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Sorry i could not help my self

[kouki]

no lift shifting ftw. People who dis it, can't do it. boost + no lift shifting = great success :goodjob:

[Ol' Gregg]

i like to kick my car intogear with my big LEFT FOOT!

[slostang]

I will seriously bet $1,000 I can "NLS" all day long. never miss a shift and never lift at all. :ninja:


anyone accept my bet?

[G.C]

and this is how v-tec sounds mmmmmmmmbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Sorry i could not help my self

ahhaha its true. ricers sound worse. rattling like a bumble bee.

I have a feeling a ricer is reading this thread and going to try and powershift but end up over reving there engine and spin a rod or fuk there valves up.

[kouki]

anyone accept my bet?
I accept... remember, you can't drive through redlights. not even in an automatic, so sooner or later you'll have to remove your foot from the gas pedal. :goodjob:

[greasemunkey]

take it to the curves>>heel toe ftw!

[OneSlow5pt0]

no lift shifting ftw. People who dis it, can't do it. boost + no lift shifting = great success :goodjob:

vep,just like automatic w/ boost = :D

well in some cases

[mp5o]

I thought power shifting also referred to the light use of the clutch pedal. I.E. 50% rather than to the floor during shifts.

[slostang]

I accept... remember, you can't drive through redlights. not even in an automatic , so sooner or later you'll have to remove your foot from the gas pedal. :goodjob:


you caught me :(

:lmao:

[Nang]

Actually. I disagree with your logic.

-People that claim it's bad for your car, aren't doing it right. I know people who no lift shift all the time and have had no problems what so ever with their transmission. If you don't know how to do it, then yes, you will damage your tranny or worse. Since a lot of people bounce on the rev limiter when attempting it.

-It's not hard to learn, if you know exactly what you have to do to do a perfect NLS(no-lift-shift). I can bet it would take numerous time's for someone to actually master it, go ahead, try it next time you're driving. I can bet $100 that you fail. (This comment is for anyone, not just the OP, and Im being sarcastic about the $100 bet btw)

-I agree that you don't have to know how to NLS to be considered a good driver. But if you're into street racing it could help you out a ton. Help you out at the track too. On a turbo car, you would hold boost through out all the gears(how ever many you use). :2cents:

As a side note, no lift shifting is super fun! :D

so i get 100$ if i power shift for you? alright, give me a call

[kouki]

so i get 100$ if i power shift for you? alright, give me a call
lol i would show him too but...

meepmok
(This comment is for anyone, not just the OP, and Im being sarcastic about the $100 bet btw) :(

[Revmaynard]

I will seriously bet $1,000 I can "NLS" all day long. never miss a shift and never lift at all. :ninja:

Don't you drive auto!? lol

edit- Damn, didn't finish reading the thread.

[japan4racing]

i am mixed on it....i can see both sides of this arguement..however i have been doing this to my gsr tranny for years and it shifts like butter. while you may not depend on it to set any records it is still not bad as long as you know what you are doing. i wouldnt say its a skill but you gotta admit there are alot of ppl that cant even master the quick 1-2 or 3-4 shift..thats the easiest **** ever! if you can hit a 2-3 shift with out lifting and gain a little time in the 1/4 why not do it? after all..you paid all that money to mod your car so you could get the best out of it. im all for "power shifting" if **** breaks then it was obviously too weak and was meant to be modified so it wont break again!!

[slostang]

Don't you drive auto!? lol

edit- Damn, didn't finish reading the thread.


nice self ownage bro :cheers:

[southside]

Well I asked many Honda Gurus many say it tears up your clutch and flywheel.But they say you should do it only if need be.But not just all the time when racing.And NLS I read about a lil while back.That was programmed in ecu you can full throttle shift ,but the ecu cut out throttle for slight second.I read it somewhere trying to find it now.

[mp5o]

Well I asked many Honda Gurus many say it tears up your clutch and flywheel.But they say you should do it only if need be.But not just all the time when racing.And NLS I read about a lil while back.That was programmed in ecu you can full throttle shift ,but the ecu cut out throttle for slight second.I read it somewhere trying to find it now.

2 step rev limiter..

[DieselNuts]

I am guilty of that against Dieselnuts's Cobra.....
you are so full of **** your breath smells like the sewage plant. You out launched me. End of story. Now you are scared to run me from a roll without running nitrous :gay:

[redrumracer]

you caught me :(

:lmao:
and here i thought you meant that as in you werent going to drive anywhere and then just shift through the gears in your yard.

[dabuilding]

powershifting even sounds like a bad idea

[tdurr]

^^^ its only bad if its ur car that your powershifting in lol.... If its someone elses tell em, meh, its alright
T-durr

[sikfricks]

isnt it called heal toe thats how japenese race car drivers shift it takes some skill

[DieselNuts]

isnt it called heal toe thats how japenese race car drivers shift it takes some skill
you give japan too much credit....its done all over the world...

[Kaiser]

NLS is perfectly safe and fine as long as you hit the gears perfectly. The first time you miss a gear, or let the clutch out a half-second too early, and you've lost a gear, if not the whole gearbox. The problem is that it doesn't actually make you much faster than half-lifting on the throttle to rev-match when your clutch reconnects. Reason why is the jerkiness true NLS causes. If you lift partially, enough to let the rev's start to drop while the clutch engages, you can link up more smoothly. On VERY high-horsepower engines this also helps keep speed up by making sure the tires don't spin in higher gears, something I'm sure Thacker knows plenty about. If you've ever listened to the way cars like Miata Cup cars sound while they're accelerating down straights, there's a soft lift followed by a pickup again as the gears engage, and the car doesn't buck back and forth like you see on some of these brainless kid-racers in civics with nitrous on them pretending to have fast cars. There's a big difference between shifting for minimal shift time and simply keeping your throttle to the floor the whole way down the quarter.

Edit: Heel-Toe is the technique of placing your right side of your foot on the gas pedal with your left side of your foot on the brakes to slow down into a curve that requires a gear change. Since you NEVER want to have the car go in/out of gear during a turn (It upsets the stability of the car and will cause lots of issues with traction at the absolute maximum turning speed), you shift as you slow down approaching the turn. The way you downshift and brake is to use one foot on both right pedals to blip the throttle up right before you let off the clutch. It's also just about the only way to shift and decelerate if you don't have a synchronized gearbox, so every race-built car in the world that has a race gearbox with straight gears almost requires it. The european rally-car drivers were probably the first to start playing with heel-toe ages and ages ago. Regardless, most people on IA that heel-toe probably do it to differentiate us from the masses of people who drive manual transmissions and don't have a clue that you can avoid burning your clutch out on a steep hill or using your parking brake if you just practice with your footwork a bit.

[tdurr]

^^ i tired to heel toe starting on a hill and failed at it. Im not that good at it... yet..:ninja::ninja:

But you sir are right about letting the revs drop when shifting(i do that all the time hehe) I like when passangers go "tim you shift so smooth..." :boobies:
T-durr

[DieselNuts]

^^ i tired to heel toe starting on a hill and failed at it. Im not that good at it... yet..:ninja::ninja:

But you sir are right about letting the revs drop when shifting(i do that all the time hehe) I like when passangers go "tim you shift so smooth..." :boobies:
T-durr
why would you heel toe when starting out? :thinking: You are only suppose to do it when downshifting...

[Alan®]

something else to consider is the stress you put your engine and transmission mounts under.

[ct9a gsr]

It seems that most of the people in this threads talking about NLS drive NA cars... and cars under 500whp.

Honestly, I don't see much of a point NLS'n on a NA car... at all. The main purpose is to reduce transient lag between shifts due to loss of boost from closing the throttle body. Also, the more power your cars, the bigger your turbo probably is... and the bigger the turbo, the harder it is to NLS but also the more beneficial it is. NLS is super easy on low power cars because it takes awhile to travel through your whole rpm range and your tach rises at a consistent range... try NLS'n on a car that goes from 5k to 9k before you can finish blinking and you'll realize it actually is a lot harder than you think.

Moral of the story?... another reason why automatic's are faster in a straight line. =D

[SiRed94]

^^ i tired to heel toe starting on a hill and failed at it. Im not that good at it... yet..:ninja::ninja:

yes you did...

[tdurr]

why would you heel toe when starting out? :thinking: You are only suppose to do it when downshifting...

it isnt the heel toe ur thinking out. i didnt slam the peadels , it was a gental thing. but you would do that to stop your car from rolling backwards and not burn ur clutch when starting... u apparntly didnt read the post above mine:tongue1:
T-durr

[DieselNuts]

it isn't the heel toe ur thinking out. i didnt slam the peadels , it was a gental thing. but you would do that to stop your car from rolling backwards and not burn ur clutch when starting... u apparntly didnt read the post above mine:tongue1:
T-durr
Yeah, I did read it, and if you are any good at driving a stick at all, you don't need your parking break nor will you burn your clutch when starting from on a hill. All it takes is a quick transfer from brake to throttle and knowing where your clutch releases.

[tdurr]

lol i was just messing around when i did it goodness... but it was kinda spur of moment idea i tired and failed at....
T-durr

[Jaimecbr900]

I agree with Charles. Everyone is talking like A: its difficult to do on a low power car, and/or B: is going to some how miraculously help you "win" any race.

#1. Straight line racing involves skills that are not measured the same way as any other kind of car racing. It's about getting thru 1320 feet without breaking and first. That's it. How you do that is where the "skill" of the sport comes in. Most, if not all, straight line races are won in the first 60-120 feet (all other things held equal). Missing gears, breaking motors/trannies, and sleeping at the light are all part of that equation. If you have a car that has 100 HP more than the other, then all the "skill" in the world is not going to matter if both of you do your jobs. You can powershift all you want, but if your opponent put 2 cars on you at the start.....you'll need a hellva lot of HP to make that up in a 1000 feet.

#2. A lot of you act like 200 whp in some street car is a lot. It's not. Keep a 1000 HP car under control, that's impressive. Keeping a 200 HP car from wheel hopping and torque steering is no great feat. So stop making yourselves out to be some "great" driver because you merely "launched" a relatively weak street car once or twice. Go launch that car week after week, month after month against people that are your equal.....THEN talk. Until then, anyone can be beat in any street race.....even those that have a big mouth and think they're some kind of "driver" because he slammed a couple of gears.



BTW, Thacker.....if you're such a great "driver".....why is it that you never go to a REAL track where the slip doesn't lie? Are the lights too bright there? Scared of the tree or the print out at the end? :rolleyes: I'm getting really tired of hearing all the mouth and credit about you "launching" your car, yet you don't dare go where the playing field is level. Wonder why that is? You think you're the only one that's ever lured a race using a cheater car? Whatever. :rolleyes:

Newsflash folks: "Launching" a STREET car using SLICKS is NO GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT. You rev up the motor, dump the clutch, and shift gears. Give me a break already. Quit making a mountain out of a mole hill. The only reason Thacker is winning is because A: He only picks on people he knows he can beat, B: He only races that play into HIS car's strengths, C: Because he gets so much into everyone's head with mouth that everyone wants to beat him so badly that they make stupid mistakes, and finally D: He has way more in his car than he is telling. It's not rocket science folks. Quit making him into some street racing hero. He's not. All of you that buy into his hype are just a big a fool as he is.

Bet you money that Mr. Super Launch Thacker won't come out to race REAL cars at a REAL track......say......on the 23rd at Commerce where there will be REAL race cars. Anyone wanna bet?

[DieselNuts]

BTW, Thacker.....if you're such a great "driver".....why is it that you never go to a REAL track where the slip doesn't lie? Are the lights too bright there? Scared of the tree or the print out at the end? :rolleyes: I'm getting really tired of hearing all the mouth and credit about you "launching" your car, yet you don't dare go where the playing field is level. Wonder why that is? You think you're the only one that's ever lured a race using a cheater car? Whatever. :rolleyes:

Newsflash folks: "Launching" a STREET car using SLICKS is NO GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT. You rev up the motor, dump the clutch, and shift gears. Give me a break already. Quit making a mountain out of a mole hill. The only reason Thacker is winning is because A: He only picks on people he knows he can beat, B: He only races that play into HIS car's strengths, C: Because he gets so much into everyone's head with mouth that everyone wants to beat him so badly that they make stupid mistakes, and finally D: He has way more in his car than he is telling. It's not rocket science folks. Quit making him into some street racing hero. He's not. All of you that buy into his hype are just a big a fool as he is.

Bet you money that Mr. Super Launch Thacker won't come out to race REAL cars at a REAL track......say......on the 23rd at Commerce where there will be REAL race cars. Anyone wanna bet?

I'm so over this Thacker BS. I know he is getting off on all the attention he is getting. I think I'm just gonna put him on my ignore list....actually, I think everyone should do that. Basicly its like banning him w/o banning him :yes:

[willum14pb]

agreed on all accounts. My clutch is more important to me than 1 mph and .1-.2 in the 1/4 mile...


as commonly misconstrued, power shifting is more damaging to your tranny, not your clutch.

[DieselNuts]

as commonly misconstrued, power shifting is more damaging to your tranny, not your clutch.
okay, so my tranny is worth more to me than 1mph & .1-.2 in the 1/4mi...

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

BTW, Thacker.....if you're such a great "driver".....why is it that you never go to a REAL track where the slip doesn't lie? Are the lights too bright there? Scared of the tree or the print out at the end? :rolleyes: I'm getting really tired of hearing all the mouth and credit about you "launching" your car, yet you don't dare go where the playing field is level. Wonder why that is? You think you're the only one that's ever lured a race using a cheater car? Whatever. :rolleyes:

Newsflash folks: "Launching" a STREET car using SLICKS is NO GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT. You rev up the motor, dump the clutch, and shift gears. Give me a break already. Quit making a mountain out of a mole hill. The only reason Thacker is winning is because A: He only picks on people he knows he can beat, B: He only races that play into HIS car's strengths, C: Because he gets so much into everyone's head with mouth that everyone wants to beat him so badly that they make stupid mistakes, and finally D: He has way more in his car than he is telling. It's not rocket science folks. Quit making him into some street racing hero. He's not. All of you that buy into his hype are just a big a fool as he is.

Bet you money that Mr. Super Launch Thacker won't come out to race REAL cars at a REAL track......say......on the 23rd at Commerce where there will be REAL race cars. Anyone wanna bet?

I go to the track plenty. Very few people know my real times on this site and even when I give my "real times" I know exactly what they were but I construe them enough *claim my car is slower* just to throw people off.

I will say that my car was exactly what I said it was when I raced Diesel and Collins.

I hold the intake / exhaust fastest trap & ET for the 05-06 GTO's. Nationwide as confirmed by our LS2GTO website.

I also hold the cam only record *cam only, factory heads, factory weight* in my LS1 camaro for Georgia. Note... this might have been beaten within the past 3 years.. I haven't checked.

As I said... I go to the track plenty. If you honestly think all you have to do is rev a car up and dump it on slicks... well... that is pretty funny. :lmfao:

apparently I go to the track enough to know exactly what my car is capable of. And what do you mean I only call out cars I know I can beat? I call out cars that are a fair race. Both collins and diesel made A LOT more HP then my car at the time of their beatings.
:cheers:

The reason I ran on street tires and beat dieselnuts so bad that night was to prove a point. So guys like you didn't think I was just a good driver on slicks.

Oh... and real racers don't go to the ice rink aka commerce. You won't find me on that track until they actually prep it. Silver dollar hooks better and runs .2-.3 CONSISTENTLY faster then that POS track of commerce.

[SandM]

i agree with charles as well. NLS in an NA car doesn't do too much for ya with such a small power band. as for me, "quick shifting" works just fine. im also not a drag racer either.

[Kaiser]

Yeah, I did read it, and if you are any good at driving a stick at all, you don't need your parking break nor will you burn your clutch when starting from on a hill. All it takes is a quick transfer from brake to throttle and knowing where your clutch releases.

If you're on a significant hill (Not just a small hill, but an actual steep incline, think something you'd have to trudge up not just walk easily) no matter what you want to claim about your clutch and engine, a simple transfer with the clutch at engagement point will cause you to roll back and going from dead-idle to trying to climb that hill will burn your clutch, or cause you to stall. You can avoid that by revving the engine without taking your foot off the brake as you disengage the clutch, then just pick up your foot and you'll get a no-roll, no-spin, no-slip start up the hill.

Believe it or not, driving techniques can have multiple uses. You can use the same technique to do a higher RPM launch than idle on a hill without rolling before you release the clutch. Which I guess you could use for street-racing when the road isn't flat like a racetrack. Regardless, assuming that being able to control the brake and the gas with one foot can only be used for downshifting is sortof close-minded, isn't it?

[Jaimecbr900]

I go to the track plenty. Very few people know my real times on this site and even when I give my "real times" I know exactly what they were but I construe them enough *claim my car is slower* just to throw people off.

You go to the track so much, yet not many people know your times???? A: That's an oxymoron, and B: What do you do? Rent out the whole track so that there is not a single person there that can tell on you??? Give me a break.


I will say that my car was exactly what I said it was when I raced Diesel and Collins.

I don't believe that for a minute.

Yall are not racing in NASCAR. You know good and well noone is going to tear down your car for inspection. Therefore, you can SAY all you want with pretty good immunity that noone is going to find out what INSIDE your motor, right? Anybody ever checked UNDER your intake to see if there are nitrous lines? Anybody ever flow your heads to find out if they are REALLY stock? Anybody measure your cams to see if they are stock? Not, right? So stop all the lawyer splitting hairs talk with me. It's one thing to sand bag and trash talk, but it's another to take credit for what you don't have. That's my problem with you.



I hold the intake / exhaust fastest trap & ET for the 05-06 GTO's. Nationwide as confirmed by our LS2GTO website.

You're a bigger fool than I thought.

You honestly really think that ALL people that race actually go on the internet and post about their times????......:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: You really are an arrogant fella. Cars faster than yours are a dime a dozen in the domestic world. 99% of them either don't know about the internet or don't care enough to sign up to some site to brag about their times. You really are a fool if you think that some website is the reference book of racing.....:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

Tell you what.....If you really are the "fastest" :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: whatever you want to claim....How come I've never seen YOU win any public race at ANY event? Hmmm, so you got this uber fast car that is the "fastest:blah: :blah: :blah: in the NATION" , yet you don't WIN any of the public events at any track. Hmmmm, seems like an easy "win" to me if you REALLY are that fast.....Right? :rolleyes:


I also hold the cam only record *cam only, factory heads, factory weight* in my LS1 camaro for Georgia. Note... this might have been beaten within the past 3 years.. I haven't checked.

:blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: Don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back for a self given award there bud. :rolleyes:


As I said... I go to the track plenty. If you honestly think all you have to do is rev a car up and dump it on slicks... well... that is pretty funny. :lmfao:

Yes, for a STREET car that is all you have to do. Don't flatter yourself Mr. "Driver". :rolleyes:

I've driven both autos and sticks, fwd and rwd, 2 door and 4 doors, foreign and domestics ON THE TRACK......STREET cars are NOT all that hard to "launch" on SLICKS. That's the whole purpose of SLICKS. Any idiot can launch with SLICKS in a STREET CAR. You don't have some 1000 HP monster. You have a STREET CAR that ACCORDING TO YOU is "stock". Right? So why would it be sooooo hard to launch, especially on SLICKS.

You wanna know what a REAL driver is? Cut a .400 or .500 light on the tree more than once. THAT is a driver. Wheelie your car for the first 60 feet and still keep control of your car with your foot thru the floor the whole time. THAT is a driver. Brake an axle at triple digit speeds on the big end of the track and STAY OFF THE WALL. THAT is a driver. Blow a motor half way down the track and still keep the car from fish tailing into the wall. THAT is a driver.

YOU "launching" your "stock" GTO on some dark street road behind some warehouse while on SLICKS......does NOT a "driver" make.

Like I said, bring your monkey a$$ to Commerce on the 23rd and run REAL cars on a track. Where the light doesn't give YOU the "jump" and the time slips don't lie. Bring all the "driving" prowess for everyone to SEE. Matter of fact....bring out that busted a$$ Camaro you always brag about. I got a handful of cars that will be there that night that will put it back on the trailer with the quickness. You brag so much about it. Then bring it and shut everybody up. Watch how many excuses pop up now.:rolleyes:


And what do you mean I only call out cars I know I can beat? I call out cars that are a fair race. Both collins and diesel made A LOT more HP then my car at the time of their beatings.
:cheers:

Really? Is that why YOU said yourself that "I knew that I'd beat them...."? So which is it? Fair race or "you knew you would beat them"? Flip flopper. You any relation to John Kerry or Obama? :lmfao: :lmfao:



The reason I ran on street tires and beat dieselnuts so bad that night was to prove a point. So guys like you didn't think I was just a good driver on slicks.

Oh... and real racers don't go to the ice rink aka commerce. You won't find me on that track until they actually prep it. Silver dollar hooks better and runs .2-.3 CONSISTENTLY faster then that POS track of commerce.

Why? Just WHO prepped the empty warehouse public road you STREET race on??? :rolleyes:

So you will street race on a public road that has only the rubber you and your buddies put down every other weekend instead of going to a real track that ONLY has fresh rubber put on every week from cars racing on them?????? Hmmmm, a genius you are....says Yoda. :rolleyes:

Come on, tell me just WHO super prepped the road you raced Collins or Diesel on???? What's the excuse now?

Sounds to me like you're more scared of a time slip that doesn't stroke your ego like you'd like.

Whatever dude. You're a hero in your own mind. Good job. :goodjob:

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

You are really missing the point of my response.. but that's ok.

My GTO's far from the fastest in the country. However, it is the fastest GTO when the only mods are intake / exhaust. There might be some joe smo out there that has done a faster time... but most of the guys serious about it do visit the internet and post up about it.

I am not taking my street car daily driver to the track often. I went on ONE night to get a time for my car. I have a total of 5 passes in the GTO and I made my best pass on the second run of that night.

My camaro is slow... and if I did drive it anywhere it wouldn't be on the trailer.

I don't race to have the "fastest car around" I race to maximise the potential of the mods that I do. My camaro is still running the factory heads. I liked racing it to see how fast I could get it with minimal mods. It went 11.6 @ 117 @ 3550 raceweight with only 376 rwhp. Consequently that was the Georgia CAM ONLY record for ALL LS1 cars. That includes c5 vettes, Ls1 GTO's and LS1 Camaros / Trans Ams.

[Jaimecbr900]

:blah: :blah: :blah: .

Whatever dude. Say what you want. It all sounds to me like you're scared of the time slips.

You'll race on an unprepped public road, but you "refuse" to go to the track because it's not "prepped" right???? :rolleyes:

Whatever man. Keep double talking. That crap may work on other people, but I have a keen sense of smell.

So you're some kind of great "driver" on the street, yet the track suddenly zaps that great "skill" from you when you go there????? :thinking: :lmfao:

Like I said, you can try and double talk these young bucks here, but you aint fooling me. You can try, but it won't work. Come to the track and shut me up. Otherwise, I'll call it like I see it every time your bragging gets on my nerves.

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

Whatever dude. Say what you want. It all sounds to me like you're scared of the time slips.

You'll race on an unprepped public road, but you "refuse" to go to the track because it's not "prepped" right???? :rolleyes:

Whatever man. Keep double talking. That crap may work on other people, but I have a keen sense of smell.

So you're some kind of great "driver" on the street, yet the track suddenly zaps that great "skill" from you when you go there????? :thinking: :lmfao:

Like I said, you can try and double talk these young bucks here, but you aint fooling me. You can try, but it won't work. Come to the track and shut me up. Otherwise, I'll call it like I see it every time your bragging gets on my nerves.

I just told you I've put down the fastest times for my cars for their mods.

I've offered people on here to race me at the track... they declined.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4871433501268687605&hl=en

Theres an 11.6 @ 117 pass in my camaro.

Me bragging gets on your nerves? What do you want me to come to the track and prove?

If I do go to the track... all it will prove is that my GTO runs exceptionally well for the mods that is has... however its still in the 12's.

[tdurr]

Thacker, may i point out that a tune/chip that isn't stock on a car is called a mod and a tune and/or chips is not counted as part of exhaust/intake.





That is all
T-durr

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

Thacker, may i point out that a tune/chip that isn't stock on a car is called a mod and a tune and/or chips is not counted as part of exhaust/intake.





That is all
T-durr


:lmfao:

Nit picky sum *****.

[tdurr]

http://www.bustatoons.com/blog_images/blog_got_ya_now.jpg
T-durr

[RL...]

Why can't we all just get along! Power shifting....haha I've never been in a race that was so close that "power shifting" could've changed the outcome. If you are that anal about .1 sec then go put a wing on your car for 50whp. :gay:

[Fox351]

Thacker I am sorry to inform you I know a friend of mine personally put down a 11.4 with a cam and drag radials with an automatic and LS1 powered camaro....so that record is pointless...and have video if needed. I don't understand how you think Dieselnuts and Collins was a "fair race." Your suspension and drivetrain mods make you faster without raising your horsepower level. I'll explain it to you as simple as I can. Having these mods means you can't claim to be stock, basically stock, intake/exhaust, be truthful. This is something that my parents told me when I was around 3-4 years old,"half truths are still whole lies." I personally feel that DieselNuts could take you from a roll leaving you looking stupid...not that this is a hard thing to accomplish due to your unbelievable talent of doing it yourself....but from a dig you will win due to your purchase of aforementioned modifications. Regardless of your thoughts on roll racing I think it would be a gentlemanly gesture and I think you would gain more respect if you did. All I want from you Thacker is think before you speak and/or type. Its not difficult...I promise.


The moral of the story Thacker is that you lack the one thing that a true car guy, street racer, gentleman, and human being has....respect....you don't know how to give it and you are incapable of getting it. I feel really sad for you.

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

Thacker I am sorry to inform you I know a friend of mine personally put down a 11.4 with a cam and drag radials with an automatic and LS1 powered camaro....so that record is pointless...and have video if needed. I don't understand how you think Dieselnuts and Collins was a "fair race." Your suspension and drivetrain mods make you faster without raising your horsepower level. I'll explain it to you as simple as I can. Having these mods means you can't claim to be stock, basically stock, intake/exhaust, be truthful. This is something that my parents told me when I was around 3-4 years old,"half truths are still whole lies." I personally feel that DieselNuts could take you from a roll leaving you looking stupid...not that this is a hard thing to accomplish due to your unbelievable talent of doing it yourself....but from a dig you will win due to your purchase of aforementioned modifications. Regardless of your thoughts on roll racing I think it would be a gentlemanly gesture and I think you would gain more respect if you did. All I want from you Thacker is think before you speak and/or type. Its not difficult...I promise.


The moral of the story Thacker is that you lack the one thing that a true car guy, street racer, gentleman, and human being has....respect....you don't know how to give it and you are incapable of getting it. I feel really sad for you.

What "drivetrain mods" do I have that make up for the 40 RWHP advantage both of those cars have on me?

I have a SHIFTER. And a pair of drag bags to keep my car from wheel hopping.

Both dieselnuts and collins both had an aftermarket shifter also.

:cheers:

And good for your friend. I haven't checked on the record in a long time but @ 11.4 he still doesn't hold it. My car has been faster than the 11.6 still "cam only" the only difference is it has a solid forged bottom end thats ready for the big shot of giggle juice. I don't claim that record anymore for that reason.. and to be honest it really doesn't matter to me.

BTW. Dieselnuts car would be lucky to trap 109-111 with his power level... something I was able to geto ut of my car completely bone stock. He would get pulled from a roll no matter what and when he mans up to the race we will prove that.

[DunDunSkeert]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5807627847346034297&hl=en
Theres the video.

[speedminded]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5807627847346034297&hl=en
Theres the video.I do have to say that is some pretty good shifting, looks like the rpm's are dropping about 1k or so rpm's each gear...helps to have torque with a larger flywheel! I'd be real curious to see a data log to showing what percentage the throttle lift is.

With my little 8,700rpm 1.8L and a 55% lighter flywheel I drop 2k rpm's from 1st to 2nd then about 1k each gear after that. If I had the closer ratio ITR gearing it would barely drop at all.

2 year old vid...
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=18422764#

[tdurr]

lol @ myspace comments on that vid... ppl are dumb.
T-durr

[Init2winit]

This is an extension from ThackerSS's thread in the Killsforum O.T.

He said that DieselNuts "granny shifts" and isn't as skilled as himself, posted a video of his "skill" which is nothing but powershifting.

IMO:
-It's terrible for your car
-Not hard to learn
-Not a skill in any way shape or form, in turn not making you a "good driver"

Discuss.Actually it is more harmful to your transmission and drivetrain to "granny shift" a car under acceleration, than power shifting. When you "granny shift", it creates slack in the drivetrain components, and then the initial shock of the acceleration puts stress on componets. Think of it like this.....you take two bricks and mash them together as hard as you can, and then take those bricks and smash them together. Tell me which does the most damage? And no, it isn't hard to learn how to power shift in a slow car, but get behind the wheel of something with a little power and it will change.

[DieselNuts]

BTW. Dieselnuts car would be lucky to trap 109-111 with his power level... something I was able to geto ut of my car completely bone stock. He would get pulled from a roll no matter what and when he mans up to the race we will prove that.
WTF are you talking about "when I man up"? You are the one that is scared to run me w/o nitrous. How about you man up and run me with the same setup as last time?

[mocha latte cupcake]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5807627847346034297&hl=en
Theres the video.

thats power shifting? :thinking: man i was thinking i was going to be impressed, i guess i've always power shifted then :thinking:

~disappointment~

[DieselNuts]

WTF are you talking about "when I man up"? You are the one that is scared to run me w/o nitrous. How about you man up and run me with the same setup as last time?
well?

[mocha latte cupcake]

~THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME~ :eek:

[The Creeper]

LS2 super stock
What isn't allowed:headers, aftermarket torque converters. No gear lower then 3.46.

What is allowed: Tuning, exhaust mods after manifolds, underdrive pulley, shifters, ported intake manifold, drag radials, CAI, Throttle body,

1) Lord Vador 12.52 @ 111.091 MPH removed MAF screen, no mufflers, air bags, DRs
2) Slow Sho 12.54 @ 111.74 Catback, Nitto's
3) 8100hammer [email protected] A4 tune only
4) 05 Red Tomcat [email protected] preadator tune,nittos ,slp loudmouth II
5) fjpelkey2001 12.700 @ 116.334 MPH K&N drop in, catback, stock tires, gutted cats
6) hellhammer 12.76 @ 108.5 MPH headlight removed and DRs
7) Phutty2000 12.79@ 109 CAI, Super 40's, Predator, and DR's
8) Joe6pt0 12.807 @ 107.94 MPH borla cb, tune
9) speedracer33 [email protected] P&P TB, Ported Intake, Nitto DR, Tune
10) ironmancan 12.837 @ 108.60 Ripshift, Nittos, Drag bags
11) 05GTOM6 12.838 @ 108.31 MPH - MTs, CAI
12) SloNlo_350 12.870 @ 109.51 MPH RWTD dyno tune
13) Vhaulin 12.90 @ 107 tune, DRs
14) '91 formula [email protected] volant cai, MAF descreened, tune
15) TJT 12.916 @ 107.1 mph GMM ripshift, magnaflow cb, nittos, drag bags
16) spicered06 12.93@ 107.7 Ripshift, KN drop in, drag bags.
17) SS44 13.01 @ 105.27 Tune, Nittos


Thacker I dont see you on there:thinking:

[tdurr]

^^ lol pwnt
T-durr

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

LS2 super stock
What isn't allowed:headers, aftermarket torque converters. No gear lower then 3.46.

What is allowed: Tuning, exhaust mods after manifolds, underdrive pulley, shifters, ported intake manifold, drag radials, CAI, Throttle body,

1) Lord Vador 12.52 @ 111.091 MPH removed MAF screen, no mufflers, air bags, DRs
2) Slow Sho 12.54 @ 111.74 Catback, Nitto's
3) 8100hammer [email protected] A4 tune only
4) 05 Red Tomcat [email protected] preadator tune,nittos ,slp loudmouth II
5) fjpelkey2001 12.700 @ 116.334 MPH K&N drop in, catback, stock tires, gutted cats
6) hellhammer 12.76 @ 108.5 MPH headlight removed and DRs
7) Phutty2000 12.79@ 109 CAI, Super 40's, Predator, and DR's
8) Joe6pt0 12.807 @ 107.94 MPH borla cb, tune
9) speedracer33 [email protected] P&P TB, Ported Intake, Nitto DR, Tune
10) ironmancan 12.837 @ 108.60 Ripshift, Nittos, Drag bags
11) 05GTOM6 12.838 @ 108.31 MPH - MTs, CAI
12) SloNlo_350 12.870 @ 109.51 MPH RWTD dyno tune
13) Vhaulin 12.90 @ 107 tune, DRs
14) '91 formula [email protected] volant cai, MAF descreened, tune
15) TJT 12.916 @ 107.1 mph GMM ripshift, magnaflow cb, nittos, drag bags
16) spicered06 12.93@ 107.7 Ripshift, KN drop in, drag bags.
17) SS44 13.01 @ 105.27 Tune, Nittos


Thacker I dont see you on there:thinking:

I kept my times off that site for a reason... mostly due to the racing I had coming up on this site and I knew collins visited that site.

I did post my 12.79 @ 109 run the first time at the track. They didn't put it up on their list though.

Do a search for it.

[The Creeper]

No, I realize you did post up a thread with your runs and stuff, I just found it funny you claimed "fastest" in that class, yet you would rank around what, 5th?

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

No, I realize you did post up a thread with your runs and stuff, I just found it funny you claimed "fastest" in that class, yet you would rank around what, 5th?
I ran the "5th" fastest time the first time I ever took the track to the car. I went back in cooler weather about a month later and dropped the 60 ft .22


I won't post up my times or my trap speed... but with the exact same setup I am ahead of that record by over .1 - .15 in the 1/4th.

:goodjob:

[EJ25RUN]

back in the days when syncros wern't mainstream. With crashboxes like in the original Rover Mini, people would shift without pressing the clutch. Now you can do this even today if you know your car very well.

I thought that was relevant.

[The Creeper]

so, secretly you are the fastest?:screwy:

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

so, secretly you are the fastest?:screwy:
I've got the video and timeslip to prove it. :thinking:


I'd rather this forum not know the real times my car has put down. Soon as I am finished with the new set up I will post the old times when I have some new times to compare them too.

[SandM]

I've got the video and timeslip to prove it. :thinking:


I'd rather this forum not know the real times my car has put down. Soon as I am finished with the new set up I will post the old times when I have some new times to compare them too.

wait, you hide your times so you can "race cars you know you can beat"?

[DieselNuts]

wait, you hide your times so you can "race cars you know you can beat"?
thats what Im getting from this

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

thats what Im getting from this
The only thing you should be getting out of it is why you got pulled as bad as you did by a stock GTO with intake and exhaust with your Offroad X pipe, intake and exhaust Cobra.

That offroad X pipe gave you about 10-15 rwhp over that 404 you dynoed before... :goodjob:

[DieselNuts]

holy shiit man, you just wont quit. We both know you pulled your entire lead from the launch and your car length head start+jump

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

holy shiit man, you just wont quit. We both know you pulled your entire lead from the launch and your car length head start+jump
You were not gaining.
Even with me baby shifting and looking over my shoulder WONDERING if you were still in the gas.

:gay:

[DieselNuts]

the lies just don't stop coming.... :no:

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

the lies just don't stop coming.... :no:
What LIES. Go back, listen to the video.

Go back, watch the video. Watch the headlights... through second gear I pulled a full car on you.

:lmfao:

[DieselNuts]

you are so full of shiit its not even funny.

if your car is here:

----------------THACKER

and my car is here:

-------DieselNuts

And you get the jump and I spin through ALL of 1st gear, naturally you are gonna pull a good lead on me.

You are not a man of your word. You are 2 faced and a liar. Everyone knows that here and even though you did beat me, at least I am still respected and liked by people on this forum and in real life. The complete opposite can be said for you.

[Jaimecbr900]

Don't yall find it ironic that this guy KNOWS, as shown by his constant quoting of mods and RWHP numbers:rolleyes: , what everybody supposedly has? Why do you think that is? Gee, I wonder.

Like I said before, he has a cheater car that he sand bags with that he only uses to pick races only HE can win under HIS terms, HIS rules, HIS time. Funny how that works.

Noticed that when I challenged him to bring it to the track so we can all see first hand how much a "driver" he really is......he backpedalled faster than a husband who gets caught by his wife with his pecker in the secretary's glory hole. :rolleyes:

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

Don't yall find it ironic that this guy KNOWS, as shown by his constant quoting of mods and RWHP numbers:rolleyes: , what everybody supposedly has? Why do you think that is? Gee, I wonder.

Like I said before, he has a cheater car that he sand bags with that he only uses to pick races only HE can win under HIS terms, HIS rules, HIS time. Funny how that works.

Noticed that when I challenged him to bring it to the track so we can all see first hand how much a "driver" he really is......he backpedalled faster than a husband who gets caught by his wife with his pecker in the secretary's glory hole. :rolleyes:
I didn't back pedal at all? I told Willum14b I'd love to race him at the track in another thread but he back pedaled and said he "only raced for 10k"


You are obsessed dude.

[tdurr]

Thacker, there was a call out by onebadGT, and his friend, all for 500ish, u never responded. Just thought u should kno, they will race on ur terms lol. Soooo step up or shut up(and if u step up to them id shut uop at the same time, it seems onebadgt has a anger problem.)
Just a FYI

Back to topic, power shifting is fun to do in other peoples car
/Thread
T-durr

[Ol' Gregg]

wow im freaking out.... ahhh

So inform me this is my friend justin in his integra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMm1NkynFPg
Was that power shifting??? cause if so thats what ive been doing my whole life.

Oh yea and Thacker... just from reading this your just making yourself sound more and more like a idot. Just stop while your ahead. Stop digging yourself a hole.

[seriousb13]

no

[speedminded]

wow im freaking out.... ahhh

So inform me this is my friend justin in his integra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMm1NkynFPg
Was that power shifting??? cause if so thats what ive been doing my whole life.

Oh yea and Thacker... just from reading this your just making yourself sound more and more like a idot. Just stop while your ahead. Stop digging yourself a hole.no tach? Power shifting is no lift or virtually no lift off the throttle, just enough to keep the rpm's from skyrocketing to redline as the gears are changed. Switching the gears will bring the rpm's down some but the closer the gear ratios are to each other the less the rpm's will drop.

The key is to modulate the throttle just enough to allow extra rpm's during the shift so when the next gear is engaged you'll be back to the exact same RPM.

[Jaimecbr900]

I didn't back pedal at all? I told Willum14b I'd love to race him at the track in another thread but he back pedaled and said he "only raced for 10k"


You are obsessed dude.

I'm not obsessed at all. I was the one that told you to bring it to the track on the 23rd and you started with all your excuses which you've yet to reply to. Remember....."....just WHO preps the public street YOU like to race on?..." That's exactly what I asked when you used the excuse that Commerce wasn't "prepped" right. Remember that? I do. That's the backpedalling I was talking about. YOU are more than willing to take it to the street where there are no lights, no slips, plenty of room for excuses, and damn sure no "prepping", yet you won't race at the track.

I also told you that since YOU were claiming to be the "fastest stock" GTO to come on out and PROVE IT. YOU won't. So that means you're claiming something only YOU think you've proven to some ghosts down at Silver Dollar. Ironically enough, someone else came in and posted the actual list of people WHO DO have slips to back their claims up and YOUR name was no where on it. Why is that? :thinking:

It's funny that you pound on your chest about your racing prowess and how "fast" your car is, yet you only back it up when YOU think you know exactly what that other person has. Just like I said, you only race races that YOU think YOU can win. That's a rosy world you live in....that is until you man up and race where there is no chance for excuses, i.e. the track.

How much more clear than that can I be?

[southside]

f
no tach? Power shifting is no lift or virtually no lift off the throttle, just enough to keep the rpm's from skyrocketing to redline as the gears are changed. Switching the gears will bring the rpm's down some but the closer the gear ratios are to each other the less the rpm's will drop.

The key is to modulate the throttle just enough to allow extra rpm's during the shift so when the next gear is engaged you'll be back to the exact same RPM.I just keep it to the floor and im quick with the clutch.:D sounded nice in my friends type-r.Almost made me nut

[southside]

wow im freaking out.... ahhh

So inform me this is my friend justin in his integra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMm1NkynFPg
Was that power shifting??? cause if so thats what ive been doing my whole life.

Oh yea and Thacker... just from reading this your just making yourself sound more and more like a idot. Just stop while your ahead. Stop digging yourself a hole.No and that k spins alot:D :goodjob: sounds nice too

[DieselNuts]

I just keep it to the floor and im quick with the clutch.:D sounded nice in my friends type-r.Almost made me nut
try that with something that actually makes power. If you are at your shift point and hit the clutch with the throttle @ 100% You are gonna hit the rev limiter with the quickness...if its equiped w/one.

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

try that with something that actually makes power. If you are at your shift point and hit the clutch with the throttle @ 100% You are gonna hit the rev limiter with the quickness...if its equiped w/one.
I keep it on the floor... and don't hit the rev limiter :)

[DieselNuts]

try that with something that actually makes power. If you are at your shift point and hit the clutch with the throttle @ 100% You are gonna hit the rev limiter with the quickness...if its equiped w/one.



I keep it on the floor... and don't hit the rev limiter :)

re-read

[Sport1.3]

isnt it called heal toe thats how japenese race car drivers shift it takes some skill


lulz, heel toe is for downshifting. i.e using the heel of your foot to rev match the engine to the tranny and the ball of your foot (toe) to apply needed braking force. Its used to keep your engine in a healthy spot of the powerband to blast in and out of a corner with greater entrance and exit speeds

[Sport1.3]

try that with something that actually makes power. If you are at your shift point and hit the clutch with the throttle @ 100% You are gonna hit the rev limiter with the quickness...if its equiped w/one.


try it in something that rev's alittle faster than that bulky dinosaur drinker :D


my 20v 4age in the mr2 with 7.2lbs flywheel would hit 8900rpms faster than most bikes :lmao:

[DieselNuts]

Regardless, assuming that being able to control the brake and the gas with one foot can only be used for downshifting is sortof close-minded, isn't it?
uhhh....some things are only used for one purpose....you wouldnt use a pencil to write on a dry erase board, would you? If you did, it wouldnt work very well, would it? Do you consider that close-minded? Same thing applies to the heel-toe. Everyone has heard of "heel-toe downshifting", but I never heard of "heal-toe accelerating" untill this thread.

[Sport1.3]

uhhh....some things are only used for one purpose....you wouldnt use a pencil to write on a dry erase board, would you? If you did, it wouldnt work very well, would it? Do you consider that close-minded? Same thing applies to the heel-toe. Everyone has heard of "heel-toe downshifting", but I never heard of "heal-toe accelerating" untill this thread.


:lmao: applying the brakes to accelerate....what a troll :lmao:


ib.omgwhataboutbrakeboosting :eek:

[mocha latte cupcake]

so wait... since i'm following this thread with a grain of salt and don't feel like re reading the whole thread...

why would you heel toe to accelerate? where does that even make sense?!? you're going to put on the brakes while trying to go faster? :thinking: seems like a fail to me

danny: yeah but in brake boosting you AREN'T in the midst of racing... you're "preparing" for your race... unless you magically brake boost in the middle of racing and STILL win :lmfao:

[Sport1.3]

so wait... since i'm following this thread with a grain of salt and don't feel like re reading the whole thread...

why would you heel toe to accelerate? where does that even make sense?!? you're going to put on the brakes while trying to go faster? :thinking: seems like a fail to me


Duh bro didnt u you know!! slamming the brakes on clears vacuum and allows you to hit vtak fastarz!!! :lmfao:

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

re-read
It drug your car down the street.


My camaro makes plenty of power too... never hit the limiter in that one. :lmfao:

[DieselNuts]

It drug your car down the street.


My camaro makes plenty of power too... never hit the limiter in that one. :lmfao:

re-read f@ggot


you are so full of shiit its not even funny.

if your car is here:

----------------THACKER

and my car is here:

-------DieselNuts

And you get the jump and I spin through ALL of 1st gear, naturally you are gonna pull a good lead on me.

You are not a man of your word. You are 2 faced and a liar. Everyone knows that here and even though you did beat me, at least I am still respected and liked by people on this forum and in real life. The complete opposite can be said for you.

[Sport1.3]

It drug your car down the street.


My camaro makes plenty of power too... never hit the limiter in that one. :lmfao:

I'd love to see you at a track. Both you and the person challenging you, in rental cars. The same exact car. Last time i checked hurtz rents GT mustangs in a manual.....this would create an even playing field and really prove your driver prowess.....if in fact that is what helps you win races

[Ol' Gregg]

I wanna see yall at the track!

[Jaimecbr900]

I wanna see yall at the track!

Who?

[Ol' Gregg]

well mostly thacker... and i wanna see him on street tires.

thats all

[southside]

try that with something that actually makes power. If you are at your shift point and hit the clutch with the throttle @ 100% You are gonna hit the rev limiter with the quickness...if its equiped w/one.:thinking: Like I said if you hit the clutch fast enough then it wont.How do I know dont got a rev limiter.:D

[southside]

I've heard of brake boosting but not heeltoe upshifting haha

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

well mostly thacker... and i wanna see him on street tires.

thats all
I raced diesel nuts on street tires.

[DieselNuts]

I raced diesel nuts on street tires.
and dont believe him when he tells you he cant get traction. just one more lie of his.

[eViLMunkey]

I'll stick to a nice smooth quick shift over Banging("Power Shift") anyday I went through 4 clutches in my taco when I had it, from "power shifting".. quick shift = still on same clutch for 4 years in civic and I don't know how long it was in before I bought it...

[jwrape]

IMO> It definately not good for your tranny and if you know how to use your clutch you can definately shift just as fast.

I do remember that Nissan pickups back in the day were VERY easy to power shift though. That is what I did it on when I was a kid. I think it is more of a young driver thing. I wouldn't do it on my cars.:(

[RL...]

LOL thacker seems hated by the whole community. I wonder if he shows his face to any meets...Thacker why don't you just race some1 and prove that you're the fastest/slowest.

[DieselNuts]

LOL thacker seems hated by the whole community. I wonder if he shows his face to any meets...Thacker why don't you just race some1 and prove that you're the fastest/slowest.
He beat 2 reputable cars under his conditions, but refuses to run those same two cars again under their terms even after saying he would:rolleyes: :gay:

[SandM]

<back on topic>
i believe the heel-toe other than downshifting argument was about heel-toeing it on a steep incline so that when you stage the clutch you're not rolling too far back without reving at the clutch too hard.
oh, and the newer drive-by-wire cars, NLS is almost needed for any quick shifting. with my experience, the dbw cars seem to loose more rpm's in a shift because of the data transfer lag. toyotas are very bad about this (x-runner)

[Coy]

you may be ahead in the race

I thought that was the point of racing...

Actually. I disagree with your logic.

-People that claim it's bad for your car, aren't doing it right. I know people who no lift shift all the time and have had no problems what so ever with their transmission. If you don't know how to do it, then yes, you will damage your tranny or worse. Since a lot of people bounce on the rev limiter when attempting it.

-It's not hard to learn, if you know exactly what you have to do to do a perfect NLS(no-lift-shift). I can bet it would take numerous time's for someone to actually master it, go ahead, try it next time you're driving. I can bet $100 that you fail. (This comment is for anyone, not just the OP, and Im being sarcastic about the $100 bet btw)

-I agree that you don't have to know how to NLS to be considered a good driver. But if you're into street racing it could help you out a ton. Help you out at the track too. On a turbo car, you would hold boost through out all the gears(how ever many you use). :2cents:

As a side note, no lift shifting is super fun! :D

+1. I have put over 30k miles on a stock clutch in a 98 TA (which I shifted with my foot planted firmly on thegas) and never had an issue with the clutch/trans.

[man]

Its used to keep your engine in a healthy spot of the powerband to blast in and out of a corner with greater entrance and exit speeds

:???: Since when?

[JITB]

this thread forced me to dig up time slips... and count my .605 R/t :)

[Sport1.3]

:???: Since when?


since well, always...




Heel-toe or heel-and-toe double-declutching is used before entry into a turn while a vehicle is under braking, preparing the transmission to be in the optimal gear to accelerate out of the turn. One benefit of downshifting before entering a turn is to eliminate the jolt to the drivetrain, or any other unwanted dynamics. The jolt will not upset the vehicle as badly when going in a straight line, but the same jolt while turning may upset the vehicle enough to cause loss of control if it occurs after the turn has begun. Another benefit is that "heel-and-toeing" allows you to downshift at the last moment before entering the turn, after you have started braking and the car has slowed, so the engine speed when the lower gear is engaged will not be too high.



As the power band of most rally cars is high in the rev range, this technique can also be used to ensure that engine rpm does not drop below the power band of the car while under braking. If this happened there would be a delay between the driver accelerating after the corner and when the car responds; this is especially true in turbocharged cars. This technique ensures that maximum power can be reached the instant the brake pedal is released and the accelerator fully depressed



read up son

[Deke]

I always thought you were supposed to double-clutch when street racing :rolleyes:

[ttman]

ah the smell of burnt clutch....

[dabuilding]

hey i actually tried it in my friends ep3 the other day its not hard at all i got it down now

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

hey i actually tried it in my friends ep3 the other day its not hard at all i got it down now

It's always easier, in cars that make no power.

[dabuilding]

It's always easier, in cars that make no power.
its better than a domestic:gay:

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

its better than a domestic:gay:
LOL.

If by better you mean, handles worse. Accelerates slower, supports a foreign economy, and is made for guys with low testosterone levels. Then yes... it is in fact better.

[Nemesis]

LOL.

If by better you mean, handles worse. Accelerates slower, supports a foreign economy, and is made for guys with low testosterone levels. Then yes... it is in fact better.


lmfao

[OneSlow5pt0]

its better than a domestic at mpg

fixed* bout it,lol

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

fixed* bout it,lol
Considering the 27-29 MPG both my camaro, and GTO get... I don't think its too bad.

[Motivation]

fixed* bout it,lol


You can't talk. You drive an automatic. :tongue1: lol

[Motivation]

LOL.

If by better you mean, handles worse. Accelerates slower, supports a foreign economy, and is made for guys with low testosterone levels. Then yes... it is in fact better.


Actually imports have the best handling, quickest Acceleration, Highest WHP, and most expensive vehicles... Honda's aren't the only import...

Tell me one car manufacturer that is not helping out a foreign economy whatsoever please? Unless you have an OLD domestic vehicle, you really can't. Sad to say but all American automotive companies are at least some what dependent on foreign soil. Whether it be parts or manufacturing.

There shouldn't be Domestic is better than Import... There should just be a mutual respect for all vehicles. If there was only one kind of vehicle out there, (i know it sometimes seems all you see is civics, or 240's, or whatever depending on where you live) but the roads would be boring, no one would have their own style. That's what it all comes down to. What the person that owns the car likes.

[OneSlow5pt0]

You can't talk. You drive an automatic. :tongue1: lol

lol yep

[Ronsam2006]

I love NLS...its just that I did it for about 6 months or so...and due to my car being so old, it cracked the transmission. When I would keep NLS, it would put so much shock on the transmission, that the 5th gear shaft that was locked in by a nut got loose, and the 5th gear itself kept getting pushed out of the tranny. Eventually it cracked and I had to re-do that nut and shaft and tig-weld the aluminum casing.

One thing I would tell anyone who hasn't tried it is to take your time, your aren't going to become awesome at it overnight. Also, if your car is as old as mine, I would think twice before I did it.

[Paree4g63]

powershiftn may help reduce drag times but kill your clutch. unless you're a baller, getting a very good clutch will make you limitless in anything you do. but who says modifying cars is cheap? :2cents:

[kaotickaozpunk]

agreed on all accounts. My clutch is more important to me than 1 mph and .1-.2 in the 1/4 mile...

power shifting wont even give you 1 extra mph