For those who say Michelle Obama is unpatriotic

[tony]

Do you hold John McCain to the same standard?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/25274602#25274602

[EJ25RUN]

Just like i refuse to listen to Bill Oreilly, i refuse to listen to Dan Abrams.

Both of them like to just twist information.

To add, Obama's proposals don't work for me, i refuse to pay anymore taxes and could careless about those that can't afford healthcare. My family has been through bad and we got through it.

After watching.......

Dan Abrams is proving that a compent made by someone can be twisted to purposefully use it against them.

The problem with a Michele Obama's comments about "average people cant make it"

My Mother and I arrived in the U.S. in 1994 and after living in slum like apartments in Chamblee she worked her way by herself to afford a nice house in Gwinnett and raise me the whole time. She never asked the govt to give her money, never had unemployment and worked for everything she has. We were below middle class when we got here and now are upper middle class. Anyone has the capability, my mother had to deal with having to learn fluent English and now we have every dollar she worked for taken away with more taxes. We have had no problems with the Bush admin and the only thing Obama represents to us is more and more taxes.

I feel that Michele Obama has a hard time taking about average people. Not many "average" people attend Princeton.

[Spektrewing386]

i think he ment he didnt appriciate our freedom until it was taken away

[tony]

i think he ment he didnt appriciate our freedom until it was taken away

But he SAID he didn't LOVE his country until he was captured.. how do people read something different from what he said but take what Michelle Obama said verbatim?

Again.. and this question hasn't been answered, is John McCain held to the same standard you hold Michelle Obama???

[EJ25RUN]

But he SAID he didn't LOVE his country until he was captured.. how do people read something different from what he said but take what Michelle Obama said verbatim?

Again.. and this question hasn't been answered, is John McCain held to the same standard you hold Michelle Obama???

Yes, because we know more about McCain then we don't about her.

Sooo, when ever she opens her mouth, even if she doesn't mean what she says, that's how it comes out and that's all we have to go by her opinion.

Why do you think that McCain and Obama have people help them put together speeches. Obama's wife just needs to shut her mouth if he wants this issue not becoming like the Reverend Wright.

One other thing about the vid, notice how they cut McCain off right when he says the last word. Before he has his explanation.

[tony]

Yes, because we know more about McCain then we don't about her.


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Then you don't hold her to the same standard? Even though at the end of the day they are both human right?

[Lucky DAWG]

Just like i refuse to listen to Bill Oreilly, i refuse to listen to Dan Abrams.

Both of them like to just twist information.

To add, Obama's proposals don't work for me, i refuse to pay anymore taxes and could careless about those that can't afford healthcare. My family has been through bad and we got through it.

After watching.......

Dan Abrams is proving that a compent made by someone can be twisted to purposefully use it against them.

The problem with a Michele Obama's comments about "average people cant make it"

My Mother and I arrived in the U.S. in 1994 and after living in slum like apartments in Chamblee she worked her way by herself to afford a nice house in Gwinnett and raise me the whole time. She never asked the govt to give her money, never had unemployment and worked for everything she has. We were below middle class when we got here and now are upper middle class. Anyone has the capability, my mother had to deal with having to learn fluent English and now we have every dollar she worked for taken away with more taxes. We have had no problems with the Bush admin and the only thing Obama represents to us is more and more taxes.

I feel that Michele Obama has a hard time taking about average people. Not many "average" people attend Princeton.




Much Much Much respect for you man.

I feel the majority people who are "have nots" simply want a "handout" from the people who have it. Someone down the line had to work for that money even if it is old money, they just got lucky and inherited it... thats how life is, its a *****. But you don't cry about it and put your hand out.


I couldn't agree with you more man, How can you connect with the "average" person if you went to Princeton, I have no problem with people who are highly educated and wealthy, i find them admirable if they worked for it. But to claim she is in touch with the average person is blasphemous at best.


McCain 08, the lesser of two evils, and i agree with you... Bush isn't nearly as bad of a president as everyone makes him out to be, i think people mainly put things on the president when they don't know why or how something bad happens to the country as a whole. If you know anything about politics or the economy there are a lot more facets to it.




You sir just got + reps for intelligent comment of the day

[Lucky DAWG]

But he SAID he didn't LOVE his country until he was captured.. how do people read something different from what he said but take what Michelle Obama said verbatim?

Again.. and this question hasn't been answered, is John McCain held to the same standard you hold Michelle Obama???


I also find it funny that this is a NEGATIVE??? :thinking:



What he is saying is that you don't appreciate something until it is taken away from you, thats a pretty common theme we all can relate to that can be taken from freedom american's experience here or even to the fact that your parents hold a roof over your head as a child.


If anything i'd say this is a nice sense of national pride that i feel like a lot of people these day's lack.

[EJ25RUN]

Then you don't hold her to the same standard? Even though at the end of the day they are both human right?

That's what i meant. I DONT.

How can you hold her to the same standard? She's not the one running for office. If anything, he opinions are making me stay further away from Obama.

[tony]

I also find it funny that this is a NEGATIVE??? :thinking:



What he is saying is that you don't appreciate something until it is taken away from you, thats a pretty common theme we all can relate to that can be taken from freedom american's experience here or even to the fact that your parents hold a roof over your head as a child.


If anything i'd say this is a nice sense of national pride that i feel like a lot of people these day's lack.

Nobody said it was negative.. strange that you would think that since I never implied it. All I asked was, is he held to the same standard Mrs. Obama is and it seems to be a pretty difficult question because out of all these responses I've only seen one yes or no and I'm still waiting for clarification on that one since it was a contradiction.

Michelle Obama says it and its negative and unpatriotic, McCain says it and its a nice sense of national pride. hmmm :thinking:

[Lucky DAWG]

Nobody said it was negative.. strange that you would think that since I never implied it. All I asked was, is he held to the same standard Mrs. Obama is and it seems to be a pretty difficult question because out of all these responses I've only seen one yes or no and I'm still waiting for clarification on that one since it was a contradiction.

Michelle Obama says it and its negative and unpatriotic, McCain says it and its a nice sense of national pride. hmmm :thinking:



Very different things said if you noticed what the people were talking about in the intereviews on MSNBC.


Michelle said that this place was mean, and the average person couldn't make it... that is making a comment about the state of America, McCain is saying that he is in love with what it is and what it stands for at its PRESENT STATE. Very different thing.

Loving something and liking it are two different things.

You can love America and still have a problem with it and want to fix some things but you stay by its side for all of its flaws. Its just like a spouse or a family, you love them so you stand by them even through all its flaws.


What the two candidates said is very different and i don't know how you don't see that.


And i love how the guy pulls "what you are saying is slanderous and i hate to say it, but racist".


How the hell is quoting Michelle Obama racist... I'm sorry but things like this fuel my dislike of the Democrats. Race has nothing to do with it and i can not stand when someone tries to pull that card to guilt someone or earn pity.


Its a matter of policy and personal integrity which is in this case lacking.

[tony]

That's what i meant. I DONT.

How can you hold her to the same standard? She's not the on running for office. If anything, he opinions are making me stay further away from Obama.

She's not running for office but you hold her to a higher standard? Sounds perfectly logical to me.. :rolleyes:

He leaves his wife when he comes back to the U.S after she has been in an accident and waited on his ass for 6 years, marries a younger woman a month after his divorce is final who.. to fuel her addiction to pain killers stole from a non profit organization but Michelle Obama is the evil princeton grad?

I got the answer I was looking for here, another reason why I have lost respect for the right. Rather than admit wrong and just say there is an unfair double standard you'd rather defend and dig an even deeper hole of nonsense.

Thanks

[Lucky DAWG]

She's not running for office but you hold her to a higher standard? Sounds perfectly logical to me.. :rolleyes:

He leaves his wife when he comes back to the U.S after she has been in an accident and waited on his ass for 6 years, marries a younger woman a month after his divorce is final who.. to fuel her addiction to pain killers stole from a non profit organization but Michelle Obama is the evil princeton grad?

I got the answer I was looking for here, another reason why I have lost respect for the right. Rather than admit wrong and just say there is an unfair double standard you'd rather defend and dig an even deeper hole of nonsense.

Thanks



I honestly do not give a damn what Michelle has to say, but it obviously rubs off on the Mr. at some point and time, it has to when you live together.





And i like the condescending thankyou at the end, as if i care to win you over. My mind is set and i love it when dems try and speak nonsense to me about Obama.




Wasn't looking to earn your vote for McCain, but enjoy the taxes :goodjob:

[EJ25RUN]

She's not running for office but you hold her to a higher standard? Sounds perfectly logical to me.. :rolleyes:

He leaves his wife when he comes back to the U.S after she has been in an accident and waited on his ass for 6 years, marries a younger woman a month after his divorce is final who.. to fuel her addiction to pain killers stole from a non profit organization but Michelle Obama is the evil princeton grad?

I got the answer I was looking for here, another reason why I have lost respect for the right. Rather than admit wrong and just say there is an unfair double standard you'd rather defend and dig an even deeper hole of nonsense.

Thanks

Since you quoted me i'll explain, just like they dont seem to add up for you, they don't add up for me.

Really, i could care less about Michele because the "hole" is the plan Obama has made that i can't agree with.

I'm fully about politics that make sense to me.

This whole deal with Obama's wife is just a ridiculous thing that lets Dan Abrams keep his job.

I lost my faith in Obama a long time ago......can you really blame me for taking a blind eye to Obama's wife when she says things like this.

Again, if Obama realizes that America has middle class people along with poor people, then i'll consider Michelle's words more seriously.

I cant even go to say im with the "right", i just look at this with how it affects me.

Tony, if your main concern with the next election is our "double standard for the pres' wife, i worry for you.

[Dr.G35]

Much Much Much respect for you man.

I feel the majority people who are "have nots" simply want a "handout" from the people who have it. Someone down the line had to work for that money even if it is old money, they just got lucky and inherited it... thats how life is, its a *****. But you don't cry about it and put your hand out.


I couldn't agree with you more man, How can you connect with the "average" person if you went to Princeton, I have no problem with people who are highly educated and wealthy, i find them admirable if they worked for it. But to claim she is in touch with the average person is blasphemous at best.


McCain 08, the lesser of two evils, and i agree with you... Bush isn't nearly as bad of a president as everyone makes him out to be, i think people mainly put things on the president when they don't know why or how something bad happens to the country as a whole. If you know anything about politics or the economy there are a lot more facets to it.




You sir just got + reps for intelligent comment of the day
thank you!!!!! both of you just got repped

[blaknoize]

Well I kno an average person who is at Princeton. He just so happens to be smart.

[tony]

I honestly do not give a damn what Michelle has to say, but it obviously rubs off on the Mr. at some point and time, it has to when you live together.





And i like the condescending thankyou at the end, as if i care to win you over. My mind is set and i love it when dems try and speak nonsense to me about Obama.




Wasn't looking to earn your vote for McCain, but enjoy the taxes :goodjob:

I don't make over $250k so I surely will enjoy the lower taxes. :goodjob:

Its not me being condescending but rather frustration, not even a year ago I considered myself republican and totally agreed with the views of the right but as I started reading.. researching and became more educated my position changed. So now when I try to look for logic in what is considered conservative views I am becoming very disappointed.

This election has shined a light on the GOP like never before and its become apparent that the intentions are to win at any cost, and though I may be wrong I do take it personal when it seems like the black candidate has to be flawless while the white one can get away with any and everything and still get praised for it.

The Obama's have had a microscope on their ass through this whole election but when McCain does the EXACT same thing or worse he's a hero. Call a spade a spade.

[Lucky DAWG]

I don't make over $250k so I surely will enjoy the lower taxes. :goodjob:

Its not me being condescending but rather frustration, not even a year ago I considered myself republican and totally agreed with the views of the right but as I started reading.. researching and became more educated my position changed. So now when I try to look for logic in what is considered conservative views I am becoming very disappointed.

This election has shined a light on the GOP like never before and its become apparent that the intentions are to win at any cost, and though I may be wrong I do take it personal when it seems like the black candidate has to be flawless while the white one can get away with any and everything and still get praised for it.

The Obama's have had a microscope on their ass through this whole election but when McCain does the EXACT same thing or worse he's a hero. Call a spade a spade.




I think people overestimate the amount of racism today, I really don't care if you are black.




Until black people realize that any educated white person doesn't care if you are black and a presidential candidate, then they will never EARN those votes. It just alienates the voters when people go on the air talking about it being a race issue.



to break the boundary the candidate has to play on an even playing field and not think the world is out to get him.



i have tried to argue with people of ethnicity who are to put it bluntly lower or lower middle class and they pull the card on me that i don't want Obama because he's black. That usually ends any kind of educated argument i will have with a person at that point and furthermore gets me away from supporting him.

[tony]

I think people overestimate the amount of racism today, I really don't care if you are black.




Until black people realize that any educated white person doesn't care if you are black and a presidential candidate, then they will never EARN those votes. It just alienates the voters when people go on the air talking about it being a race issue.



to break the boundary the candidate has to play on an even playing field and not think the world is out to get him.



i have tried to argue with people of ethnicity who are to put it bluntly lower or lower middle class and they pull the card on me that i don't want Obama because he's black. That usually ends any kind of educated argument i will have with a person at that point and furthermore gets me away from supporting him.

Anyone who knows me personally knows race does not matter to me, I'm the last person to call out racism.. I'm not even saying THIS is racism but ray charles can see that Obama has had to be perfect, catching hell for things that don't even come out of his mouth and I believe the color of his skin one major reason.

Race card is played when someone tries to make up for their shortcomings.. all I'm saying is mysteriously Barack and his wife is held to this super high standard (Surely higher than their opponents as we have seen in this thread) and there seems to be no explanation for why. When I look for the differences between Obama and his opponents one seems to always stand out.. :thinking:

You'd be lying to yourself to say race has not played a part in this election.

[EJ25RUN]

Anyone who knows me personally knows race does not matter to me, I'm the last person to call out racism.. I'm not even saying THIS is racism but ray charles can see that Obama has had to be perfect, catching hell for things that don't even come out of his mouth and I believe the color of his skin one major reason.

Race card is played when someone tries to make up for their shortcomings.. all I'm saying is mysteriously Barack and his wife is held to this super high standard (Surely higher than their opponents as we have seen in this thread) and there seems to be no explanation for why. When I look for the differences between Obama and his opponents one seems to always stand out.. :thinking:

You'd be lying to yourself to say race has not played a part in this election.

Tony, again, it comes down to politics. Color of skin doesn't affect me or my paycheck. But Obama's political agenda will.

He lost my vote there.

And Tony, great that you dont use the race card but let me ask you this....

I was listening to V103 the other week and one the the guests ( i dont know who, i typically never listen to dj's) said

"common, yall gotta get out and vote, this is our chance to see a black man as president"

Is there something wrong with that? Because i see a problem.

I'm worried allot of the black community is looking at the election like this.


If a white person is voting for McCain cause he is white, that's a waste of a human being and i dont want to know that he helped McCain to office.

[tony]

"common, yall gotta get out and vote, this is our chance to see a black man as president"

Is there something wrong with that? Because i see a problem.



I cringe when I hear that.. yes its totally wrong to say that and those that do are idiots and I will quickly call them out on it. If they vote based on race they are no better than those who are against Obama for what he is.

But understand this, Hillary Clinton had 60% of the black vote going into south carolina, after Bill Clinton's comments aligned with the fact that Obama was changing his perception in the black community (He was originally criticized as not being black enough) that changed everything..

Essentially blacks had nobody else since the alternative was a republican and blacks are loyal to the democratic party. So I wouldn't be quick to say most blacks are voting for Barack because he is black although I know a lot are... the majority did not in the beginning.

[EJ25RUN]

I cringe when I hear that.. yes its totally wrong to say that and those that do are idiots and I will quickly call them out on it. If they vote based on race they are no better than those who are against Obama for what he is.

But understand this, Hillary Clinton had 60% of the black vote going into south carolina, after Bill Clinton's comments aligned with the fact that Obama was changing his perception in the black community (He was originally criticized as not being black enough) that changed everything..

Essentially blacks had nobody else since the alternative was a republican and blacks are loyal to the democratic party. So I wouldn't be quick to say most blacks are voting for Barack because he is black although I know a lot are... the majority did not in the beginning.

Do you ever listen to Herman Cain?

http://wsbradio.com/inside/herman_cain.html

[tony]

Herman Cain annoys me, I can deal with Hannity, Boortz.. but Cain doesn't interest me.

[EJ25RUN]

Herman Cain annoys me, I can deal with Hannity, Boortz.. but Cain doesn't interest me.

His tone might not be radio friendly but i feel the content is good.

[redrumracer]

he didnt say he wasnt proud of the country until then, he was merely making a statement that he did fully appreciate the type of society that he lived in until it was taken away from him. so no they arent on the same playing field.

[Vteckidd]

that the intentions are to win at any cost, and though I may be wrong I do take it personal when it seems like the black candidate has to be flawless while the white one can get away with any and everything and still get praised for it.

The Obama's have had a microscope on their ass through this whole election but when McCain does the EXACT same thing or worse he's a hero. Call a spade a spade.

Tony i think this is the first time ive ever seen you bring up race.

Im not going to comment much, but i agree with EJ25 and Lucky Dawg.

We all have our opinions, but i have one question to ask you tony...

You are joining the military right? you can honestly sit here an say YOU will be better off with OBAMA than MCAin?

[Lucky DAWG]

he didnt say he wasnt proud of the country until then, he was merely making a statement that he did fully appreciate the type of society that he lived in until it was taken away from him. so no they arent on the same playing field.


my point exactly



and thankyou Mr. Kidd





also i think there Obama is taken into question so much because we know a lot about McCain, he has been around the block and in the spotlight for years. Obama is getting scrutinized simply because he hasn't before, he got into washington and started campaigning for president from day one.



McCain has been under the gun for years, any kind of dirt you bring up on him is old news.


People don't know anything about Obama for the most part, so they naturally are going to be putting a spotlight on him, especially now. I would rather know every aspect about him before you blindly put him in the office only seeing his good sides.


Ofcourse McCain has flaws, he was apart of a committee in the early 1990's that was a big part of the blame of the recession then. This has been pointed out plenty of times and any educated person has already researched or heard of his downsides over the years.


So ofcourse Obama is going to be looked at more closely, its just common sense.

[tony]

You are joining the military right? you can honestly sit here an say YOU will be better off with OBAMA than MCAin?


Honestly I don't know.. I do think about that and I can't say how I feel about Obama while participating in the military. I do know that once I get in the process I probably wont talk politics any more for a while.

[tony]

So ofcourse Obama is going to be looked at more closely, its just common sense.


I digress, I certainly hope you all are right. I do think what McCain stated is no different than what Michelle Obama said.

[Vteckidd]

Honestly I don't know.. I do think about that and I can't say how I feel about Obama while participating in the military. I do know that once I get in the process I probably wont talk politics any more for a while.
Fair enough ;)

I appreciate your opinion and i love reading your posts even if i do disagree sometimes, they are always informative and with a certain passion. I respect that.

I will say that i think if anyone gets a break in the media its the Dems. The media is 99% liberal and they tend to side and push their agenda very well.

So do i feel she is treated unfairly? I mean not really when you are on the stage that she is on, you have to be carefull what you say. Mcain has gotten bashed before, i used to live in AZ and ive heard it all. I think someone else said it right, we KNOW where Mccain stands, so when he says somethingwe have a context to put with it. We know NOTHING about Obama an his Wife for the most part, so anythingthey say is going to be taken apart and criticized.

But thats politics

[Firefightin_tC]

I think people overestimate the amount of racism today, I really don't care if you are black.

If, I'm taking this out of context, then let be the first to apologize, but are you a minority?

To say that Racism is of all things, overestimated, I have to strong disagree with that statement. Ask any Hispanic, let alone black person, if racism is overestimate and they'll disagree with you. Racism is alive, granted it's not the sixites where it was out in the open but to think that it's just misunderstanding is a joke.

I will admit, listening to the radio I do shake my head especially when listening to V103.3 or Hot 107.9 but yet I listen to Rock100 and it's the same thing on the other side of specturm.

Granted, I plan on voting on the guy who will benefit me the most because it's my vote. I'm liberal about some sh!t and I'm conservative about some sh!t. IMO, I do think that Barack and Michelle are held to a different standard in terms of speech and like it was said earlier...that's politics for you.

[EJ25RUN]

If, I'm taking this out of context, then let be the first to apologize, but are you a minority?

To say that Racism is of all things, overestimated, I have to strong disagree with that statement. Ask any Hispanic, let alone black person, if racism is overestimate and they'll disagree with you. Racism is alive, granted it's not the sixites where it was out in the open but to think that it's just misunderstanding is a joke.

I will admit, listening to the radio I do shake my head especially when listening to V103.3 or Hot 107.9 but yet I listen to Rock100 and it's the same thing on the other side of specturm.

Granted, I plan on voting on the guy who will benefit me the most because it's my vote. I'm liberal about some sh!t and I'm conservative about some sh!t. IMO, I do think that Barack and Michelle are held to a different standard in terms of speech and like it was said earlier...that's politics for you.

Racism exists in low class people, for the rest of us, all i see is black people that are just looking for excuses when i cant agree with Obama's policy.

If anything, racism in this country is nothing compared to the rest of the world. Just look at certain African countries.

Rock100 had an actual comment that told white people to vote for McCain?....i seriously doubt that. A radio station has a right to give a comment based on politics and i listen to rock100 all the time and i have yet to hear any of this white unity talk.

Right, the double standard comes from what lucky dawg said. We have known about McCain since 2000. But we have known about Michele since she started running her mouth a short time ago.

And its not considered taking something out of context when a person says one thing and thats all we get to think about. We have nothing else to compare it to.

When i watched the McCain vid, i knew instantly the lies Abrams was pushing because i know about McCain.

[BB6dohcvtec]

Racism exists in low class people, for the rest of us, all i see is black people that are just looking for excuses when i cant agree with Obama's policy.

If anything, racism in this country is nothing compared to the rest of the world. Just look at certain African countries.

Rock100 had an actual comment that told white people to vote for McCain?....i seriously doubt that. A radio station has a right to give a comment based on politics and i listen to rock100 all the time and i have yet to hear any of this white unity talk.

Right, the double standard comes from what lucky dawg said. We have known about McCain since 2000. But we have known about Michele since she started running her mouth a short time ago.

And its not considered taking something out of context when a person says one thing and thats all we get to think about. We have nothing else to compare it to.

When i watched the McCain vid, i knew instantly the lies Abrams was pushing because i know about McCain.

Since you've known McCain since 2000 you should know this when the run for president starts getting really tough after the conventions he will loose his cool and I don't know if I am comfortable with a loose cannon running this country. Oh yea what do you know about McCain's wife? not much because she is scared to voice her opinions whenever she talks in a interview it sounds like she is reading from cue cards.

[stephen]

thanks tony for finding/posting that video. as everyone has said (either directly, or in some beat around the bush type of way), michelle's comments are looked at way differently than mccain's. i honestly believe that her comments should be viewed the same as his. he got to a point in his life where he finally had a wonderful feeling about his country, and now she's saying she feels that way.

it's funny how everyone talks negatively about her statements towards "middle class" people, because she isn't middle class. i don't know about the rest of you, but i'm not the richest dude in the world...YET i can damn sure gurantee you that it's a harder life for people who are "socially" lower than me. how wrong can her comments be??? we've got gas at $4 a gallon, un-employment has jumped, housing is all messed up...those are some of the ESSENTIAL ingredients to determining what class you belong to in the first place. you've got millionaires losing their homes now...EVERYBODY is losing..all classes.

lastly, we ALL know race has played a role in this election man. the dude on the video, his FIRST attack was that the obama's have a friendship with a "terrorist." seriously man, how many times have we seen "muslim" attacks on obama. even down to making fun of the man's name. if the man's skin wasn't brown, and he still had that SAME name, would people really be able to make these "muslim" attacks? how many white politicians are KNOWN affiliates with "terrorist." i mean damn, OUR COUNTRY gave these folks some of the same weapons they're shooting us with.

[Firefightin_tC]

Racism exists in low class people, for the rest of us, all i see is black people that are just looking for excuses when i cant agree with Obama's policy.

If anything, racism in this country is nothing compared to the rest of the world. Just look at certain African countries.

Rock100 had an actual comment that told white people to vote for McCain?....i seriously doubt that. A radio station has a right to give a comment based on politics and i listen to rock100 all the time and i have yet to hear any of this white unity talk.

Right, the double standard comes from what lucky dawg said. We have known about McCain since 2000. But we have known about Michele since she started running her mouth a short time ago.

And its not considered taking something out of context when a person says one thing and thats all we get to think about. We have nothing else to compare it to.

When i watched the McCain vid, i knew instantly the lies Abrams was pushing because i know about McCain.

In terms of racism is in the Lower Class, what proof or what examples do you have to support that statement? Of course, I'm not trying to start a arguement or anything but to say that Racism is a more-less a 'lower class' thing is frankly...horsesh!t to be honest.

And you're dead on point that racism in the rest of world is more rampant that here but then again, look what black people, just as an example had to go through just to get to where they are now in America. I.E. The Civil Rights Movement.

In terms of radio, I'm not speaking in terms of Black Unity or White Unity, but it's easy to see that in terms of Democrats and Republicans, especially when it comes to the Morning Talk Shows, who's on who's side. But then again, we'd be going on and on in circles with this one.

[Lucky DAWG]

If, I'm taking this out of context, then let be the first to apologize, but are you a minority?

To say that Racism is of all things, overestimated, I have to strong disagree with that statement. Ask any Hispanic, let alone black person, if racism is overestimate and they'll disagree with you. Racism is alive, granted it's not the sixites where it was out in the open but to think that it's just misunderstanding is a joke.

I will admit, listening to the radio I do shake my head especially when listening to V103.3 or Hot 107.9 but yet I listen to Rock100 and it's the same thing on the other side of specturm.

Granted, I plan on voting on the guy who will benefit me the most because it's my vote. I'm liberal about some sh!t and I'm conservative about some sh!t. IMO, I do think that Barack and Michelle are held to a different standard in terms of speech and like it was said earlier...that's politics for you.




ofcourse Racism is alive, don't get all preachy on me.




And no i'm not a minority, i'm white down the line, Mom was raised in Ireland, and my dad's side is all farmer's from alabama.




I'm saying most white people i know will crack some jokes but its not nearly as bad as it used to be. I know just as many if not more minorities are just as racist towards white people, but white people can't pull the race card can we? because thats racist.



Thats what makes me sick when someone claims i don't like black people because i hate obama

[Lucky DAWG]

Racism exists in low class people, for the rest of us, all i see is black people that are just looking for excuses when i cant agree with Obama's policy.

If anything, racism in this country is nothing compared to the rest of the world. Just look at certain African countries.

Rock100 had an actual comment that told white people to vote for McCain?....i seriously doubt that. A radio station has a right to give a comment based on politics and i listen to rock100 all the time and i have yet to hear any of this white unity talk.

Right, the double standard comes from what lucky dawg said. We have known about McCain since 2000. But we have known about Michele since she started running her mouth a short time ago.

And its not considered taking something out of context when a person says one thing and thats all we get to think about. We have nothing else to compare it to.

When i watched the McCain vid, i knew instantly the lies Abrams was pushing because i know about McCain.




I'm with you there bro.



I can't stand people who can't speak proper english and think they are some OG Rapper talking about being in a gang and all this other crap.




Its not if you are a minority.

I dislike people like that who are white, black, hispanic, asian who have a bad attitude and poor outlook on life. I just don't like trashy people who have no ambitions in life.




race holds no boundaries

[Alan®]

Do you hold John McCain to the same standard?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/25274602#25274602
dont really care about michelle obama's level of patriotism or lack there of according to some. to me having her in the white house is worse than supposedly "having to clinton's in the white house"

[EJ25RUN]

In terms of racism is in the Lower Class, what proof or what examples do you have to support that statement? Of course, I'm not trying to start a arguement or anything but to say that Racism is a more-less a 'lower class' thing is frankly...horsesh!t to be honest.


I don't need to show you proof, any self respecting human being that has any real dignity will not hate another person for a reason such as race. That's all there is to it. I'm assuming you think of low class as having to do with money. But it doesn't. I don't respect racist no matter who they are.




And you're dead on point that racism in the rest of world is more rampant that here but then again, look what black people, just as an example had to go through just to get to where they are now in America. I.E. The Civil Rights Movement.

Well my family has a long Jewish back ground and, i dont know if you've heard, but Jewish people have had it pretty bad too. But i'm not looking at Germans with a negative eye. I feel if i do that, it only makes things worse.



In terms of radio, I'm not speaking in terms of Black Unity or White Unity, but it's easy to see that in terms of Democrats and Republicans, especially when it comes to the Morning Talk Shows, who's on who's side. But then again, we'd be going on and on in circles with this one.

You shouldn't concern yourself with the media. I feel like i am more of a republican but i don't watch too much fox news. I like to get straight facts and make my opinions that way.

[EJ25RUN]

thanks tony for finding/posting that video. as everyone has said (either directly, or in some beat around the bush type of way), michelle's comments are looked at way differently than mccain's. i honestly believe that her comments should be viewed the same as his. he got to a point in his life where he finally had a wonderful feeling about his country, and now she's saying she feels that way.

it's funny how everyone talks negatively about her statements towards "middle class" people, because she isn't middle class. i don't know about the rest of you, but i'm not the richest dude in the world...YET i can damn sure gurantee you that it's a harder life for people who are "socially" lower than me. how wrong can her comments be??? we've got gas at $4 a gallon, un-employment has jumped, housing is all messed up...those are some of the ESSENTIAL ingredients to determining what class you belong to in the first place. you've got millionaires losing their homes now...EVERYBODY is losing..all classes.

lastly, we ALL know race has played a role in this election man. the dude on the video, his FIRST attack was that the obama's have a friendship with a "terrorist." seriously man, how many times have we seen "muslim" attacks on obama. even down to making fun of the man's name. if the man's skin wasn't brown, and he still had that SAME name, would people really be able to make these "muslim" attacks? how many white politicians are KNOWN affiliates with "terrorist." i mean damn, OUR COUNTRY gave these folks some of the same weapons they're shooting us with.

You are the type of person that thinks "white people" still think of things the way you described.

Again, when you realize an election is about politics and how they make sense to someone, you'll get why i'm saying this. McCain makes sense to me Obama doesn't.

Abrams is famous for twisting things and even if he was talking about Michelle Obama in a negative way, i could care less because i don't respect his journalism.

[Firefightin_tC]

ofcourse Racism is alive, don't get all preachy on me.[/QOUTE]

Not trying to get preachy with you at all. That's not my place, it was just coming off as if you were saying that Racism was yesteryear.

[QUOTE]
And no i'm not a minority, i'm white down the line, Mom was raised in Ireland, and my dad's side is all farmer's from alabama.

I'm saying most white people i know will crack some jokes but its not nearly as bad as it used to be. I know just as many if not more minorities are just as racist towards white people, but white people can't pull the race card can we? because thats racist.


You're right it's not as bad as it used to be, things have come a long way indeed. And I'll gladly agree that on the flipside there are minorities that use it a excuse for thier own shortcomings but there is a percentage that are held down, sadly enough, by the color of their skin, sexual preference, religious creed...etc.



Thats what makes me sick when someone claims i don't like black people because i hate obama


If you don't like Obama, that's your opinion and you're more than happy to have it. I just wanted to get a better understand of how the other side sees things in terms of racism...it just so happened that it happened in a political thread.

[Firefightin_tC]

I don't need to show you proof, any self respecting human being that has any real dignity will not hate another person for a reason such as race. That's all there is to it. I'm assuming you think of low class as having to do with money. But it doesn't. I don't respect racist no matter who they are.

Thank you for clarifying that point.


Well my family has a long Jewish back ground and, i dont know if you've heard, but Jewish people have had it pretty bad too. But i'm not looking at Germans with a negative eye. I feel if i do that, it only makes things worse.

Yeah, I've heard...the last thing I want to do is get into a pissing contest about who's had it the worst.



You shouldn't concern yourself with the media. I feel like i am more of a republican but i don't watch too much fox news. I like to get straight facts and make my opinions that way.

Reps for you, sir. Nice to know I have a conversation without people getting too sensitive or overly defensive.

[Lucky DAWG]

anyway you spin it though whether you are watching Fox News or NBC...



there is ALWAYS going to be a bias unless you witnessed something for yourself first hand. Books, Movies, TV, Magazines, The internet, anything. Not really a bad thing if you can shift through it and compare multiple sources

[stephen]

You are the type of person that thinks "white people" still think of things the way you described.

Again, when you realize an election is about politics and how they make sense to someone, you'll get why i'm saying this. McCain makes sense to me Obama doesn't.

Abrams is famous for twisting things and even if he was talking about Michelle Obama in a negative way, i could care less because i don't respect his journalism.

i stated facts, NOT OPINION. never once did i describe "white people's" thinking...you took it that way. you OBVIOUSLY don't get why i said what i said, so do you not understand elections and politics either? i just don't think A LOT of your points make any sense. some of them seem so blatently ridiculous, it's not even funny. just educate yourself...it'll end up working out for you.

[Lucky DAWG]

i stated facts, NOT OPINION. never once did i describe "white people's" thinking...you took it that way. you OBVIOUSLY don't get why i said what i said, so do you not understand elections and politics either? i just don't think A LOT of your points make any sense. some of them seem so blatently ridiculous, it's not even funny. just educate yourself...it'll end up working out for you.



you have twenty posts and you are being cynical





schedule a date with a bottle of bleach

[stephen]

you have twenty posts and you are being cynical





schedule a date with a bottle of bleach


what does post count have to do with anything? this is EXACTLY what this thread is about. people like you, who have no logical reasoning skills, and turns a battle of opinions into something personal. i told that man to do the same thing he told me to do; he claims i'm not educated when it comes to politics and voting, and i told him to continue educating himself in the same field. i wish it were that easy for you, but it's starting to seem like a lost cause. i tell you what, i'll have my bleach on tuesday, i'll have a glass or two for you also. do you want ice?

[Lucky DAWG]

what does post count have to do with anything? this is EXACTLY what this thread is about. people like you, who have no logical reasoning skills, and turns a battle of opinions into something personal. i told that man to do the same thing he told me to do; he claims i'm not educated when it comes to politics and voting, and i told him to continue educating himself in the same field. i wish it were that easy for you, but it's starting to seem like a lost cause. i tell you what, i'll have my bleach on tuesday, i'll have a glass or two for you also. do you want ice?



no i'll pass.
but i'll video tape your going away video if you want.



just looking out for you pal:goodjob:



be sure to include me in the will. Preferably your whole estate valued at 5 dollars

[stephen]

no i'll pass.
but i'll video tape your going away video if you want.



just looking out for you pal:goodjob:



be sure to include me in the will. Preferably your whole estate valued at 5 dollars

wow...congratulations on the comebacks and personal shots. in all fairness man...the election...isn't something you should be worried about this year man. you don't have any facial hair right now man... i'm not even sure why you're in this thread right now...how many other elections have you voted in? have your nutz even dropped yet? are you still sh!tting yellow? these are very important events in a man's life...i'm just not sure you're ready for all of that yet....

[Lucky DAWG]

wow...congratulations on the comebacks and personal shots. in all fairness man...the election...isn't something you should be worried about this year man. you don't have any facial hair right now man... i'm not even sure why you're in this thread right now...how many other elections have you voted in? have your nutz even dropped yet? are you still sh!tting yellow? these are very important events in a man's life...i'm just not sure you're ready for all of that yet....




I can vote if thats what that run on sentence was about.


:idb:


did i get someone's pantie's in a wad? The internetz is cereal bizness

[stephen]

I can vote if thats what that run on sentence was about.


:idb:


did i get someone's pantie's in a wad? The internetz is cereal bizness

it wasn't a question as to whether you can vote. it was guidance...from a man to a boy. i can get you an entire list of other accomplishments you must achieve in order to become a man, lmk. also, you shoud do a search...there's a topic that has the term "ellipsis" in it. study it, learn it, use it. nah, you didn't get anyone's panties in a wad. i think your mommy forgot to tell you to take off your sunday dress, before you came on the net to play.

[SLOWR/T]

Well Im coming in alittle late here but better late than never ;)

I dont think Mcain can be held to the same standard as her. Mainly because Mcain was a POW. I can completely agree with his statment. Alot of us were born here in the US. Freedom is given to us but for those who have joined a branch of the Military and been to other Countrys have seen how good we have it. To then become a POW I can see how a new found love for the US would come about. I love my Country since I new what it was. Theres things I dont agree with but it doesnt make me hate it. Thats a pretty shitty thing for her to say now that I think about.

[tony]

Well Im coming in alittle late here but better late than never ;)

I dont think Mcain can be held to the same standard as her. Mainly because Mcain was a POW. I can completely agree with his statment. Alot of us were born here in the US. Freedom is given to us but for those who have joined a branch of the Military and been to other Countrys have seen how good we have it. To then become a POW I can see how a new found love for the US would come about. I love my Country since I new what it was. Theres things I dont agree with but it doesnt make me hate it. Thats a pretty shitty thing for her to say now that I think about.

He didnt say a new found love, he said he didn't love his country.

POW doesn't give you a pass to say whatever the hell you want.

[EJ25RUN]

He didnt say a new found love, he said he didn't love his country.

POW doesn't give you a pass to say whatever the hell you want.

Tony, you picked a bad example to compare. I think your one of very few that sees a problem with that statement. I felt patriotic hearing it.

I feel the point of your thread is to give everyone a fair view on what people say.

1. I heard from Michelle (and after further review thanx to this thread) i feel the same way i did about her opinion even with all that has been written.

2. I feel like McCain has nothing to be ashamed of with his statement. There is no law that says you cant have your own opinion. McCain grew to a person that really found what America represents and it was this that made him love it.

3. Imagine if Obama were to say the same thing, i would treat it the same way i am McCain, because people change and their believes change.

We are humans, we do that.

[tony]

Tony, you picked a bad example to compare. I think your one of very few that sees a problem with that statement. I felt patriotic hearing it.

I feel the point of your thread is to give everyone a fair view on what people say.

1. I heard from Michelle (and after further review thanx to this thread) i feel the same way i did about her opinion even with all that has been written.

2. I feel like McCain has nothing to be ashamed of with his statement. There is no law that says you cant have your own opinion. McCain grew to a person that really found what America represents and it was this that made him love it.

3. Imagine if Obama were to say the same thing, i would treat it the same way i am McCain, because people change and their believes change.

We are humans, we do that.


Then why was it wrong for Michelle Obama to say for the first time in her adult life she is really proud of her country?

[stephen]

Well Im coming in alittle late here but better late than never ;)

I dont think Mcain can be held to the same standard as her. Mainly because Mcain was a POW. I can completely agree with his statment. Alot of us were born here in the US. Freedom is given to us but for those who have joined a branch of the Military and been to other Countrys have seen how good we have it. To then become a POW I can see how a new found love for the US would come about. I love my Country since I new what it was. Theres things I dont agree with but it doesnt make me hate it. Thats a pretty shitty thing for her to say now that I think about.

if being a POW gives you a leg up on things you can say about this country, then maybe the obamas should be held to the same standards. how many different cultures/races were prisoners right here in this very country? asians...native americans...african americans...AND WOMEN. these groups at some point had to FIGHT for freedom, just like our beloved military does for us. did anyone think about the fact that maybe michelle obama FELT like a POW? think about it like this (this is what i hate about people calling things "the race card"), just 40 years ago, blacks were regarded as a lesser people...not being able to share water fountains in some areas, and specific riding positions on buses, their votes only counted as 2/3...and that's not even touching on the women's rights issues. now that's just 40 years ago...do you not think maybe she witnessed some of this stuff first hand? so for her to finally be proud at america for getting to a major turning point is very well justified. we are at a point where RACE AND SEX were no longer an issue amongst the MASSES. i think we should ALL feel the same way she feels, finally being proud of this country. even though hilary didn't make it, it's still an achievement for this country and i bet she's finally proud too.

it's just food for thought...

[Total_Blender]

but there is a percentage that are held down, sadly enough, by the color of their skin, sexual preference, religious creed...etc.
.

+1 for this. It doesn't take much time browsing on IA to see that people still have the capacity to hate. Every other post I see some kind of hate for Muslims and gays. Don't think for a minute that racism is over with Just because it is currently not fashionable to express racism does not mean that that racist hate does not exist :goodjob:

[Lucky DAWG]

Then why was it wrong for Michelle Obama to say for the first time in her adult life she is really proud of her country?



Appreciating something for what it is (McCain) and liking something because it will hopefully change to the view you want of it (Michelle Obama) are two very different things.



You seem intelligent Tony, i don't understand how you don't see the difference, one involves appreciating something in its present state and the other involves molding it to what you want it to be.


its really a simple concept.

[stephen]

Appreciating something for what it is (McCain) and liking something because it will hopefully change to the view you want of it (Michelle Obama) are two very different things.



You seem intelligent Tony, i don't understand how you don't see the difference, one involves appreciating something in its present state and the other involves molding it to what you want it to be.


its really a simple concept.

let's say you're right, and she is now proud of this country for getting her closer to that goal....is that still wrong? i bet you were more proud of this country when you got your stimulus check this year right? i know i was! were we wrong for that? how many presidents do you think were more proud of their country for being elected "I'M PROUD OF MY AMERICAN PEOPLE". i just think people are intentionally taking what she said the wrong way. i SERIOUSLY doubt that she FINALLY was proud of her country, just like i SERIOUSLY doubt that mccain FINALLY fell in love with his country.

[man]

Everyone in this thread is full of ****

[SLOWR/T]

Everyone in this thread is full of ****

Discuss....

[SLOWR/T]

No being a American gives you a pass to say whatever you want. Then you have to face the press on how they will interpit (sp) it. Mcain has more ground to stand on with a comment like that than Michelle. He has been in other countries, seen whats its like from a prisoners stand point (for 6 years). Michelle grew up in Chicago. She went to average schools and lived in the average house. She later went on to Princeton and Harvard Law. If she grew up in any other country, I doubt she would have had the opportunity to do what she has done here. She is a very smart woman but how can you say something like that about a country that has given her so much?

[Lucky DAWG]

let's say you're right, and she is now proud of this country for getting her closer to that goal....is that still wrong? i bet you were more proud of this country when you got your stimulus check this year right? i know i was! were we wrong for that? how many presidents do you think were more proud of their country for being elected "I'M PROUD OF MY AMERICAN PEOPLE". i just think people are intentionally taking what she said the wrong way. i SERIOUSLY doubt that she FINALLY was proud of her country, just like i SERIOUSLY doubt that mccain FINALLY fell in love with his country.




to the 1st bold: Probably a lot back in the day when the average person knew as much about politics as the brick laying next to you. No internet and no national news source made that kind of hard to educate them on politics.


to the 2nd bold: She said it, not me or you. So if you want to assume that then you are putting words in their mouths.

[Lucky DAWG]

No being a American gives you a pass to say whatever you want. Then you have to face the press on how they will interpit (sp) it. Mcain has more ground to stand on with a comment like that than Michelle. He has been in other countries, seen whats its like from a prisoners stand point (for 6 years). Michelle grew up in Chicago. She went to average schools and lived in the average house. She later went on to Princeton and Harvard Law. If she grew up in any other country, I doubt she would have had the opportunity to do what she has done here. She is a very smart woman but how can you say something like that about a country that has given her so much?



because she is an ungrateful snob

[man]

Discuss....

Media monkeys crack me up, political debaters included (they go hand in hand)

What ever happened to thinking for one's self?

[Lucky DAWG]

Media monkeys crack me up, political debaters included (they go hand in hand)

What ever happened to thinking for one's self?



I think me and the person you quoted both have thought for ourselves.




Wouldn't not thinking for yourself constitute the side agreeing with what the news station said?



Any way you want to twist this it will be contradictory, because everything you know about this topic has gotten to you through some kind of news outlet. I mean unless you know the candidates personally, which i highly doubt :goodjob:

[Turbo04]

Then why was it wrong for Michelle Obama to say for the first time in her adult life she is really proud of her country?

Because again, it took McCain being captured and held as a POW to fully make him love and appreciate his country, I'm sure before that he just took for granted all the freedom and opportunities his country allowed him just for being born on this side of the Atlantic.

Mrs. Obama on the other hand is only proud "for the first time in her life" because her husband is moving closer (and her by association) to one of the most powerful positions in the world. I wonder if she would be un-proud if they lost the bid for the white house?

If the comments made by both parties were on par with each other situation wise, then I agree both should be viewed and treated the same. However saying that McCain's comments about his changing view and love for a country that came about due to his time as a POW is no where even close to being on the same lvl as off the cuff comments made by Obama's wife about her feelings on america, while she is 100% safe and sound in that same country she was never proud of until that moment. :lmfao: