Miata or SE-R?

[FlipKing]

I have 1800 and want a car. Found early 90's Miatas for around 1200 and can get a 91 SE-R for 1600. Any thoughts?

[KPowerEP3]

rwd>fwd, all day long.

[AnthonyF]

hmmmm...I say Miata!!

RWD > FWD

-Ant.

EDIT: ^^^post above lolol i didnt even see urs

[Barefoot]

rwd>fwd, all day long.
hmmmm...I say Miata!!

RWD > FWD

-Ant.

EDIT: ^^^post above lolol i didnt even see ursenough said

[cdhtang]

miata

[FlipKing]

is stock, SE-R has headers and Intake and runs 15.1, while the Miatas are slloooow stock

[Bruce Leroy]

is stock, SE-R has headers and Intake and runs 15.1, while the Miatas are slloooow stock

We don't live in FL!
Real roads have turns!!!

[FlipKing]

true, just havent had anything quick, and want speed. lol, i'd have alot of extra money to drop in the miata tho

[Roadster]

Having owned both...

The B13 SE-R is the only fwd I've ever had and pretty much the only one I would ever want to have again. You'll be surprised how quick it is. Considerably quicker than the Miata. Great handling, good brakes, incredible motor.

But the Miata is in a different league. Less power, but you won't miss it. Kick the ass end out one time and you'll be glad you went rwd.

I vote Miata.

[Elbow]

Miata

[FlipKing]

so buy 1k miata and drop 800 in engine and suspension?

[Elbow]

Good luck finding many 1k Miata's

[FlipKing]

found one running on CL posted a week ago.lol, emailed asking if they still had it, waiting on reply. want 1100 obo, offer 1k, lower miata, and do intake, exaust and header

[Elbow]

Hurry and snatch that up then cheap ones dont last when they come around

[FlipKing]

i'm trying,lol, they email me back, ill have it tomorrow
lol. Hows the plan sound about upgrades?

[Thighs]

miata FTW.

if you go FWD, you will regret it when you get bored. plus the se-r is a heavy ***** in stock form.

your miata plan sounds good. tires, suspension, intake and exhaust. its all you really need.

[Roadster]

miata FTW.

if you go FWD, you will regret it when you get bored. plus the se-r is a heavy ***** in stock form.

your miata plan sounds good. tires, suspension, intake and exhaust. its all you really need.

And a blower, you left that out. :)

[Thighs]

And a blower, you left that out. :)

oh yeah... he did say he wants to go fast... lol

[FlipKing]

i considered that,lol, but idont know how the stock motors hold turbo

[FlipKing]

if the miata is sold, or doesnt email me by tomorrow,guess ima go with the SE-R with header and intake and runs low 15s, maybe they will email me back though. maitas also get great mpg.

[mocha latte cupcake]

yeah Se-Rs are heavy :rolleyes: B13 SE-R's only have 1 problem... 5th gear pop out... other than that Stock SR20's with no mods have been tuned to 150 hp no mods... and up to 175 with a great tune and good bolt ons... not to mention full turbo kits can be done for less than 1200 bucks and making 180+ whp...

miatas are fun too... rwd... but if your looking for a good street contender get the SE-R.... track = miata b/c rwd is better for it but pound for pound i'd run the SE!R

[Roadster]

B13's also have the notorious lack of suspension travel. But yeah, mine never felt heavy by any means. But it was completely gutted...

It's a tough call really. The SE-R would be a HELL of a lot more livable as a daily drive/sole means of transportation, once again speaking from experience. You've really got to be in love with the Miata to drive it every day.

[FlipKing]

SE-R actually has no 5th gear,lol, but comes with an extra tranny. I've heard of that alot actually. Just depends on if the Miata people email me back, b-c I have to have a car by tomorrow

[Roadster]

Lol, I've had my eye on both of those cars on Craigs as well. Good luck! :goodjob:

[FlipKing]

thanks,lol. yeah SE-R is on here too. Meeting me tomorrow in ATL unless I tell him otherwise. I like the SE-R speed, but i like the rwd, convertible top, 700-800 left over to upgrade with for the Miata.

[redrumracer]

maita and add boost

[mocha latte cupcake]

thanks,lol. yeah SE-R is on here too. Meeting me tomorrow in ATL unless I tell him otherwise. I like the SE-R speed, but i like the rwd, convertible top, 700-800 left over to upgrade with for the Miata.


lol yeah i have a SE-R and a S2k lol lol i couldn't resist so i got one of each :D

[FlipKing]

haha, niiice, idk, need a car soon though. just found this too. [email protected]

[OneSlow5pt0]

for $1k u might be spending 800 on a top

[FlipKing]

nahh, miata is in great mech condition. only 127k miles. needs paint.

[1SOL2NV]

miata ... then v8 ..... have fun .enough said

[Dirty Octopus™]

rwd>fwd, all day long.
:werd:

[1SOL2NV]

:werd: never thought id see that from a soler ..lol .:taun: jus because erbody is saying rwd>fwd imma disagree ... but only exception is a Supra .... my :2cents: tho .

[csmiths]

id say miata, bc its so damn light, just lower it with some nice wheels and it will look alot better than the sentra, and like everyone else has said, you can make that **** quick.

[FlipKing]

lol, well miata people havent emailed me back yet. so right now its between eclipse and SE-R. Eclipse has intake, exaust, header, and shift kit, but still prob lots slower than SE-R

[Dirty Octopus™]

never thought id see that from a soler ..lol .:taun: jus because erbody is saying rwd>fwd imma disagree ... but only exception is a Supra .... my :2cents: tho .
Dude... if i didnt have a Honda it'll be RWD awll damn day!

not to mention i have a thing for Miatas. i wish sols were RWD i would be tooo happy!

[Roadster]

Dude... if i didnt have a Honda it'll be RWD awll damn day!

not to mention i have a thing for Miatas. i wish sols were RWD i would be tooo happy!

Back when the Miata was being designed the other project that it was up against was a FWD "CRX killer" (and a mid engine MR2 competitor). Glad there were RWD fans within Mazda back in the day, the automotive world would be a lot different if they'd made a front driver instead of the Miata.

[Thighs]

i considered that,lol, but idont know how the stock motors hold turbo

miata motors are great for boost. ive seen guys run 15-16lbs with stock everything and have no problems.

[kfzemx3]

mx-5 such a wonderful car

[Thighs]

for $1k u might be spending 800 on a top

any top for 800 bucks better be a hard top. and it better have a defroster. lol

[Catnip]

ummm, what is the weight difference in a miata and b13SER?

I vote SER and I'm gonna kick your ass if you get a miata...

[Thighs]

WTF ELCIPSE FTL.

HEAVY fwd v. not as heavy but still heavy FWD v. light RWD? is it that hard??

i ran a stock SE-R once from 50-100 and my front wheels were at his rears, so there isnt a HUGE difference. i do like SE-Rs though as far as FWD goes.

[kfzemx3]

oh come on, look at the miata's racing history and say that realisticly Eclipse vs a miata HAH

[FlipKing]

looking like ima get the SE-R. for 1800 i can have a mech perfect SE-R. So yeahhh. not that heavy, only abt 2300 lbs. decent power, and great handling....so yeah.

[kfzemx3]

take 650 buy a mx-3 take the 1150 drop a bpt in it and zoom zoom zoom away from the se-r

[FlipKing]

lol, only mazda ill get is a miata or rx-8. Honda or Nissan ftw

[Catnip]

WTF ELCIPSE FTL.

HEAVY fwd v. not as heavy but still heavy FWD v. light RWD? is it that hard??

i ran a stock SE-R once from 50-100 and my front wheels were at his rears, so there isnt a HUGE difference. i do like SE-Rs though as far as FWD goes.

What the fuck? I didn't say shit about he should be getting an eclipse, I didn't even bring eclipse up. Don't diss my car bitch because I didn't diss your's. I said I'd kick his ass because I've wanted a SER for like 10 years and if he got this I'd get one too.

Last time I checked a 91 ser isn't all that heavy, my car is heavy for a 4 cyl (yet not as heavy as the 4 cyl tbird I had was), and a miata isn't OMFG light. But I commonly hear that a miata has no balls what-so-ever. Hell, my dad has had a few miatas and dogs them harder than any other car he's had for more than just the slow ass nature of them.

[kfzemx3]

it seemed like you said you were going to kick his ass if he got a miata IE saying that your car would out run his etc...

[FlipKing]

noo,he jsut wants me to get the SE-R. Its the fastest best handling thing I can get for the money

[Catnip]

it seemed like you said you were going to kick his ass if he got a miata IE saying that your car would out run his etc...

he assumed, but it's IA so I expect dumbassery.

[kfzemx3]

its a car forum what would you expect lol, its not dumbassery, it is what it is, he took it that you were saying something specific about a car

[Catnip]

its a car forum what would you expect lol, its not dumbassery, it is what it is, he took it that you were saying something specific about a car

no, it's dumbassery.
plain and simple.

[Motivation]

I would go with the se-r. I didn't know anything about them until I picked mine up about two months ago. I enjoy it... They weigh around 2400 lbs so it's not like they are a brick. The only problem I had with mine was alternater and had to replace the harmonic balancer... Seems to be a good deal for the money if you get it...

[01CDMLUDER]

i've raced both miatas and SE-Rs and they're not that bad. for daily driving i think the SE-R would be better though.

[Halonemojsrat]

miata! lower it and put some nice wheels and later on boost it it will be quick :)

[Thighs]

What the fuck? I didn't say shit about he should be getting an eclipse, I didn't even bring eclipse up. Don't diss my car bitch because I didn't diss your's. I said I'd kick his ass because I've wanted a SER for like 10 years and if he got this I'd get one too.

Last time I checked a 91 ser isn't all that heavy, my car is heavy for a 4 cyl (yet not as heavy as the 4 cyl tbird I had was), and a miata isn't OMFG light. But I commonly hear that a miata has no balls what-so-ever. Hell, my dad has had a few miatas and dogs them harder than any other car he's had for more than just the slow ass nature of them.

okay chief, you are in the ****ing zone right now.

i wasnt talking about what you said. he said it was between an eclipse and the SE-R, and i stated my opinion about the 2 cars mentioned and a miata.

i know your car is heavy.

whos the ASSuming dumbass now?

[Doppelgänger]

Miatas are GAY.

Oh, g/l doing even half decent suspension AND engine mods for $800. You'll sink that into suspension (unless you're like 80% of the other broke ass kids buying miatas and get all the ebay brand/super pooooper Tein Sh!t-Tech springs and KYB's). You sound like you don't really care do research proper modification and just want a car that is fast in straight lines.... get the SE-R.... and change your sig. Also, 1.6 L (90-93 aka "the cheap ones") Miatas suck major ass... they ARE slow as balls.

If you even have to ask 8937459843 other people which car you "should" get, you need a reality check. You are the one buying the car.

[Elbow]

Miatas are GAY.

Oh, g/l doing even half decent suspension AND engine mods for $800. You'll sink that into suspension (unless you're like 80% of the other broke ass kids buying miatas and get all the ebay brand/super pooooper Tein Sh!t-Tech springs and KYB's). You sound like you don't really care do research proper modification and just want a car that is fast in straight lines.... get the SE-R.... and change your sig. Also, 1.6 L (90-93 aka "the cheap ones") Miatas suck major ass... they ARE slow as balls.

If you even have to ask 8937459843 other people which car you "should" get, you need a reality check. You are the one buying the car.

1.6 > 1.8

[Thighs]

^^ FAILERCOPTERS. lol

id trade my 1.6 for a 1.8 any day.

[Elbow]

Why? 1.6's are better motors, and I have never had a problem beating one with similar mods.

Faster revving>a tad more torque

[OneSlow5pt0]

take 650 buy a mx-3 take the 1150 drop a bpt in it and zoom zoom zoom away from the se-r

agree MX-3s kickass,one of the msot underrated platforms.......ive been thinking bout getting one to mess round with my honda friends

[Thighs]

Why? 1.6's are better motors, and I have never had a problem beating one with similar mods.

Faster revving>a tad more torque

torque. a flywheel/clutch can make a 1.8 a fast revving torquey motor. thats the best of both worlds.

honestly id rather have a 1.6 with a TLSD than a 1.8 with a VLSD. but thats a different story. lol

[Jecht]

First off, I say get the Miata. RWD>FWD in the end. If you plan to make much more power than stock on the SE-R, you will have to worry about breaking the transmission since they are notoriously weak.

The SE-R weighs around 2470 lbs and has 140hp/132ft-lbs of torque stock. A stock 1.6 NA miata weighs around 2100 lbs and has 121hp/100ft-lbs of torque stock. The Miata has a lower stance and a shorter height without much weight at the top. The Miata is marginally wider than the SE-R (~.2" wider) and has a shorter wheelbase than the SE-R.

About doppelganger's suspension comment, the best/most expensive suspension setup is not always the best. I do agree that proper research is necessary to decide what kind of setup to buy. The spring rate and drop of the springs you pick entirely depends on how you drive and what you plan to do with the car. I would also say a decent set of adjustable dampening shocks is mandatory if you are going to lower a Miata. And like he said, don't buy crap off of ebay - invest in quality suspension components and they will perform well and last.

About the comment about tops - anyone who pays $800 for a soft top is an idiot. You can buy good quality tops for $300 to $450 easily. Like Jesse said, I wouldn't pay $800 for a top unless it was a good hard top.


torque. a flywheel/clutch can make a 1.8 a fast revving torquey motor. thats the best of both worlds.

honestly id rather have a 1.6 with a TLSD than a 1.8 with a VLSD. but thats a different story. lol

It isn't just the flywheel/clutch that makes the car rev faster you know - the crankshaft is heavier in the 1.8. I have to agree with Simontibbett, I like the 1.6 engines better. The 1.6 revs quicker than the 1.8, plus the 1.8 isn't much more powerful than the 1.6 despite the increase in displacement. The 1.8 does have more torque, but the 1.6 responds better to FI.

[Thighs]

^^true about the clutch/flywheel, but i was just saying that with one small mod you can get the quick revving of a 1.6.

[Doppelgänger]

Why? 1.6's are better motors, and I have never had a problem beating one with similar mods.

Faster revving>a tad more torque

10lb flywheel + 1.8 = problem solved.

Also,
2001+ BP has a main bearing support cradle
1.8's also get a solid lifter/better flowing head (and can be swapped to ANY 1.8)
Progressive TPS sensor
Better AFM


1.8>1.6

[Doppelgänger]

honestly id rather have a 1.6 with a TLSD than a 1.8 with a VLSD. but thats a different story. lol
W T F? Really? The 1.6's came with a POS 7" diff.
The 1.8's get the 4.10/ 8" diff

[Doppelgänger]

About doppelganger's suspension comment, the best/most expensive suspension setup is not always the best.

So the best....really isn't the best? :thinking: :thinking:


You know, there is a point at which your average Joe won't notice the difference or care about the ride quality between a full custom Ohlins and a Tokico/Tein S-Tech suspension nor would they care to know what makes one better than the other as long as it can go "speed bump scraping high".

But then you get to a level where you can utilize the design of the most expensive suspension..... like me, and care about what's happening under the car.

[Elbow]

^So you are saying you are better then all other Miata owners right?

[Doppelgänger]

^So you are saying you are better then all other Miata owners right?


Negative Ghostrider.....

I'm saying that i, myself, have gotten to the level that I can utilize the higher end suspension that is on my car.

[Jecht]

So the best....really isn't the best? :thinking: :thinking:


You know, there is a point at which your average Joe won't notice the difference or care about the ride quality between a full custom Ohlins and a Tokico/Tein S-Tech suspension nor would they care to know what makes one better than the other as long as it can go "speed bump scraping high".

Well, I meant that buying an expensive coilover setup is not always the best way to go. Like you said, a lot of people won't be able to take advantage of high-end components. Sometimes having such a good setup can be detrimental to the way that said average person drives.

E.g. taking advantage of higher spring rates, properly adjusting bound/rebound dampening on shocks, etc.

Also the argument of 1.6 vs. 1.8 really only applies to those of us that can't afford to go buy a later 1.8 to swap in. Its the same reason Honda guys decide to boost their D-series rather than swap a K-series in: money.

[Spectic Tank]

Back when the Miata was being designed the other project that it was up against was a FWD "CRX killer" (and a mid engine MR2 competitor). Glad there were RWD fans within Mazda back in the day,the automotive world would be a lot different if they'd made a front driver instead of the Miata.

lmao...Can you elaborate on that?

I didn't know the miata's drivetrain had such an impact on the automotive world.

[Roadster]

lmao...Can you elaborate on that?

I didn't know the miata's drivetrain had such an impact on the automotive world.

Don't freak out. :goodjob:

The drivetrain didn't, the concept of the car did. The whole idea of a rwd convertible 2 seater sports car was virtually gone. It brought back the open-top roadster. The Boxster, BMW Z's, S2K, and Solstice/Sky might not exist if the Miata hadn't revived that market.

[Jecht]

Don't freak out. :goodjob:

The drivetrain didn't, the concept of the car did. The whole idea of a rwd convertible 2 seater sports car was virtually gone. It brought back the open-top roadster. The Boxster, BMW Z's, S2K, and Solstice/Sky might not exist if the Miata hadn't revived that market.

Plus its had its impact on the motorsports world... when it came out the Miata was a cheap and competitive car. Meaning the people who can't afford other cars can still compete with them.

[Roadster]

Also true. ^

There'd be a pretty big gap in the 90's if it weren't for the Miata. Those of us that love rwd (and don't have a ton of money) would have no choice but to own a 240sx, a BMW E30/E36, or a Camaro/Mustang.

[SleepinEj1]

Se-r all day! I've owned a few and they've suprised a lot of gsr's w/ bolt ons. Who said ser's are heavy. 2350-2400lbs is perfect for that motor. Best bang for the bucks if you ask me when it comes to fwd.

[Spectic Tank]

Don't freak out. :goodjob:

The drivetrain didn't, the concept of the car did. The whole idea of a rwd convertible 2 seater sports car was virtually gone. It brought back the open-top roadster. The Boxster, BMW Z's, S2K, and Solstice/Sky might not exist if the Miata hadn't revived that market.



I'm sure Porsche and BMW were looking for inspiration from Mazda:rolleyes:

And I wouldn't attribute the "revival" of the roadster to the Miata...that's a pretty bold statement. Don't freak out, but it's not quite the Automotive Icon you're making it out to be.

[Spectic Tank]

Plus its had its impact on the motorsports world... when it came out the Miata was a cheap and competitive car. Meaning the people who can't afford other cars can still compete with them.

I agree, completely.

But, If it was never put in production i doubt the automotive world would that much different than it is now.

[Catnip]

I'm sure Porsche and BMW were looking for inspiration from Mazda:rolleyes:

And I wouldn't attribute the "revival" of the roadster to the Miata...that's a pretty bold statement. Don't freak out, but it's not quite the Automotive Icon you're making it out to be.


lol.
:goodjob:

stock old miata < old SE-R with slips and header
and to the "the SER tranny won't hold much power" I love him like a brother, but I doubt he boosts or builds it.

We picked up the SE-R tonight anyways...

[Catnip]

okay chief, you are in the ****ing zone right now.

i wasnt talking about what you said. he said it was between an eclipse and the SE-R, and i stated my opinion about the 2 cars mentioned and a miata.

i know your car is heavy.

whos the ASSuming dumbass now?

I won't lie, he mentioned a POS 420a car and we made so much fun of him that I didn't even think he'd mention it here. Besides, you posted right after me, lol.

so my bad.
:cheers: ??

[Elbow]

Don't freak out. :goodjob:

The drivetrain didn't, the concept of the car did. The whole idea of a rwd convertible 2 seater sports car was virtually gone. It brought back the open-top roadster. The Boxster, BMW Z's, S2K, and Solstice/Sky might not exist if the Miata hadn't revived that market.

Truth, people who don't believe are just dumb asses

[StraightSix]

I'm sure Porsche and BMW were looking for inspiration from Mazda:rolleyes:

And I wouldn't attribute the "revival" of the roadster to the Miata...that's a pretty bold statement. Don't freak out, but it's not quite the Automotive Icon you're making it out to be.

Um, pretty much every major automotive magazine disagrees with you.

Think about it, how many manufacturers offered relatively inexpensive drop top in 1990? It was only after the introduction and market success of the Miata that other manufacturers took note and began build competitors to the Miata. I doubt BMW's Z3 would have been built, or Honda's S2000, among others. The Miata really brought to the fore that consumers wanted a fun, rwd, convertible that wasn't astronomically expensive.

Heh, in fact, I remember when the Miata was introduced, automotive journalists were absolutely smitten with them.

Another thing to think about....in amateur road racing there are now several spec classes...SpecE30, Spec944, SpecNeon, SpecFocus, Spec7 and the one that started the Spec racing craze in amatuer motorsports SpecMiata. As it turns out, the Miata makes a really fun race car, too, whodathunkit.

To the OP: Having driven a Miata a time to two, Miatas are really, really a blast to drive. The handling is pretty neutral, but it is not a rocket in a straight line. Miatas are the epitome of a momentum car on a road course. My vote would be for the Miata, but it's your money and you have to be happy with your purchase. I would recommend test driving all the cars in question and buy the one that "speaks" to you.

[metalman]

And I wouldn't attribute the "revival" of the roadster to the Miata...that's a pretty bold statement. Don't freak out, but it's not quite the Automotive Icon you're making it out to be.

Hahahaha...thats the funniest uninformed nonsense in this thread. :D

You need to study your automotive history just a bit. StraightSix has it right.
The Miata not only revived the whole class of affordable rear wheel drive roadsters, inspired all manner of amateur spec racing, it has gone on to become the worlds top selling sportscar.
So, like it or not, the ghey little Miata/MX5 is an icon.

[Spectic Tank]

Hahahaha...thats the funniest uninformed nonsense in this thread. :D

You need to study your automotive history just a bit. StraightSix has it right.
The Miata not only revived the whole class of affordable rear wheel drive roadsters, inspired all manner of amateur spec racing, it has gone on to become the worlds top selling sportscar.
So, like it or not, the ghey little Miata/MX5 is an icon.

I said it wasn't quite the Icon Straight6 was making it out to be. He said something to the effect "...if it wasn't for the Miata the automotive world would be A LOT different...". Now, that IS nonsense. There is a WHOLE lot more to the entire 'Automotive world" than a couple RWD roadsters.

[Elbow]

No, he said the world about rwd roadsters and such. And it did add to the list of RWD cars and the ones that were made after it.

[StraightSix]

I said it wasn't quite the Icon Straight6 was making it out to be. He said something to the effect "...if it wasn't for the Miata the automotive world would be A LOT different...". Now, that IS nonsense. There is a WHOLE lot more to the entire 'Automotive world" than a couple RWD roadsters.

The Miata IS the automotive icon that Straight6 was making the car out to be. I agree with him that the automotive world that we are living in now would be a lot different if the Miata hadn't come along.

I suppose a better question at this point in the thread is what makes a car an automive icon? An automotive icon is something that has a great influence and impact on the market place.

[Spectic Tank]

The Miata IS the automotive icon that Straight6 was making the car out to be. I agree with him that the automotive world that we are living in now would be a lot different if the Miata hadn't come along.

I suppose a better question at this point in the thread is what makes a car an automive icon? An automotive icon is something that has a great influence and impact on the market place.

How? because there wouldn't be as many RWD roadsters? I'm sorry, but I fail to see how that equates to A LOT of difference in the ENTIRE automotive world. Maybe A LOT of difference in one specific category, but the entire Automotive world...not hardly.

I never said that the Miata wasn't an Icon or that it didn't influence the marketplace. It's just the fact that there is a lot more to the automotive industry than sportscars, and I refuse to believe that the Miata had any impact on anything aother than a few roadsters (which is only a small fraction of the automotive industry).

Man, you miata guys are defensive...

[Motivation]

The Miata IS the automotive icon that Straight6 was making the car out to be. I agree with him that the automotive world that we are living in now would be a lot different if the Miata hadn't come along.

I suppose a better question at this point in the thread is what makes a car an automive icon? An automotive icon is something that has a great influence and impact on the market place.

Actually this would be a better question for ANOTHER thread... The original question for this thread was the opinion between two cars and then later on added a third car. The question was not what would have happened if Miata was never manufactured, or what would have happened to the roadster scene, or if it is an automotive icon. I think his answer was already answered. He's already picked up the car.


Good luck with the car you bought man. Hope ya like it and it works out for what ya wanted.

[FlipKing]

Yeah, Got the SE-R. just bought a clutch and tires for it, tranny swap and clutch with in a few days hopefully. Thing pulls pretty damn hard,lol. I think his ad was right about low 15's, feels it anyway. Did a test run the other night, spun in first, second, then broke loose in 3rd. It is rough around the edges but it has potential. I love it.

[Paree4g63]

Se-R FTW!! I used to own one, my bros & cousins all have one! fastest se-r in my family is 13's all motor. So much you can do to a se-r....I've had about 4 cars in my past, so I just wanted one reliable long term car..the EVO! no car searching for me for awhile. :goodjob: Good luck and nice choice!

[JITB]

10lb flywheel + 1.8 = problem solved.

Also,
2001+ BP has a main bearing support cradle
1.8's also get a solid lifter/better flowing head (and can be swapped to ANY 1.8)
Progressive TPS sensor
Better AFM


1.8>1.6

all protege Bp's from 90-95 have mbsc's :)!

20B>FE3>bp>b6

only thing b6's have over the bp is their thicker rods, and u can throw those in a bp// :tongue1:

BUT, se-r's are one of my favs also..

[Doppelgänger]

I think his ad was right about low 15's, feels it anyway. Did a test run the other night, spun in first, second, then broke loose in 3rd. It is rough around the edges but it has potential. I love it.

I LOL'ed.

Spinning tires only means the thing has PISS POOR grip.... just want you need when bragging about the awesome power of a 15 second car. Since you got mad powers, i'll run you.... i can't even spin 1st gear in my car.

[FlipKing]

What do you drive then?I'm not saying its the greatest car on earth. I said it pulls pretty hard, and I loved it, dont remember saying you had too....hmmm, must of forgot i said that.

[redrumracer]

It isn't just the flywheel/clutch that makes the car rev faster you know - the crankshaft is heavier in the 1.8. I have to agree with Simontibbett, I like the 1.6 engines better. The 1.6 revs quicker than the 1.8, plus the 1.8 isn't much more powerful than the 1.6 despite the increase in displacement. The 1.8 does have more torque, but the 1.6 responds better to FI.
1.8>1.6

just look at how many more people are making more power on stock 1.8's that 1.6's
http://www.miataturbo.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20544

[Doppelgänger]

What do you drive then?I'm not saying its the greatest car on earth. I said it pulls pretty hard, and I loved it, dont remember saying you had too....hmmm, must of forgot i said that.

I drive one of those gay ass girly Miatas.

[Sunny_B13]

so ur the one who got my cousins se-r..hope u do the right things to it to make it where u want it to be..and it seems like most people here don't know the potential of a se-r..my bro's se-r runs close to mid 13s all motor and is aiming for 12s all motor..they're also great for autocross events..but the decision was already made..gl with it

[Elbow]

1.8>1.6

just look at how many more people are making more power on stock 1.8's that 1.6's
http://www.miataturbo.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20544

That link proves nothing... :???:

...and how many times have I beat you? ;)

[Motivation]

That link proves nothing... :???:

...and how many times have I beat you? ;)

uh oh... I hear a call out...

*instigates*

[redrumracer]

That link proves nothing... :???:

...and how many times have I beat you? ;)
once and it was only to about 40 roughly , plus thats when i had my 40+ lbs rims and tires. and that link does prove quite a bit ;)

[N/A EK]

Had both, well still got the se-r... Both cars are fun to drive, but im more comfortable in the se-r then the miata.

[Doppelgänger]

That link proves nothing... :???:

...and how many times have I beat you? ;)

i got a 1.8 for ya ;)

[JITB]

i got a 1.8 for ya ;)


x2~! i got a stock one..

[Doppelgänger]

my engine is stock too.....

[JITB]

my engine is stock too.....
ah ha the secrets out!