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Jecht
06-08-2008, 11:05 AM
Kimiyuki Suda should be a perfect customer for Japan's carmakers. He's a young (34), successful executive at an Internet-services company in Tokyo and has plenty of disposable income. He used to own Toyota's Hilux Surf, a sport utility vehicle. But now he uses mostly subways and trains. "It's not inconvenient at all," he says. Besides, "having a car is so 20th century." Suda reflects a worrisome trend in Japan; the automobile is losing its emotional appeal, particularly among the young, who prefer to spend their money on the latest electronic gadgets. While minicars and luxury foreign brands are still popular, everything in between is slipping. Last year sales fell 6.7 percent—7.6 percent if you don't count the minicar market. There have been larger one-year drops in other nations: sales in Germany fell 9 percent in 2007 thanks to a tax hike. But analysts say Japan is unique in that sales have been eroding steadily over time. Since 1990, yearly new-car sales have fallen from 7.8 million to 5.4 million units in 2007.

Alarmed by this state of decay, the Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association launched a comprehensive study of the market in 2006. It found a widening wealth gap, demographic changes—fewer households with children, a growing urban population—and general lack of interest in cars led Japanese to hold their vehicles longer, replace their cars with smaller ones or give up car ownership altogether. "Japan's automobile society stands at a crossroads," says Ryuichi Kitamura, a transport expert and professor at Kyoto University. He says he does not expect the trend to be reversed, as studies show that the younger Japanese consumers are, the less interested they are in having a car. JAMA predicts a further sales decline of 1.2 percent in 2008. Some analysts believe that if the trend continues for much longer, further consolidation in the automotive sector (already under competitive pressure) is likely.

Japanese demographics have something to do with the problem. The country's urban population has grown by nearly 20 percent since 1990, and most city dwellers use mass transit (the country's system is one of the best developed in the world) on a daily basis, making it less essential to own a car. Experts say Europe, where the car market is also quite mature, may be in for a similar shift.

But in Japan, the "demotorization" process, or kuruma banare, is also driven by cost factors. Owning and driving a car can cost up to $500 per month in Japan, including parking fees, car insurance, toll roads and various taxes. Taxes on a $17,000 car in Japan are 4.1 times higher than in the United States, 1.7 times higher than in Germany and 1.25 times higher than in the U.K., according to JAMA. "Automobiles used to represent a symbol of our status, a Western, modern lifestyle that we aspired for," says Kitamura. For today's young people, he argues, "such thinking is completely gone."

Cars are increasingly just a mobile utility; the real consumer time and effort goes into picking the coolest mobile phones and personal computers, not the hippest hatchback. The rental-car industry has grown by more than 30 percent in the past eight years, as urbanites book weekend wheels over the Internet. Meanwhile, government surveys show that spending on cars per household per year fell by 14 percent, to $600, between 2000 and 2005, while spending on Net and mobile-phone subscriptions rose by 39 percent, to $1,500, during the same period.

For Japanese car companies, the implications are enormous. "Japan is the world's second largest market, with a 17 to 18 percent share of our global sales. It's important," says Takao Katagiri, corporate vice president at Nissan Motor Co. The domestic market is where Japanese carmakers develop technology and build their know-how, and if it falters, it could gut an industry that employs 7.8 percent of the Japanese work force.

While surging exports, particularly to emerging markets, have more than offset the decline in domestic sales so far, companies are looking for ways to turn the tide. Nissan, for example, is trying to appeal to the digital generation with promotional blogs and even a videogame. A racing game for Sony's PlayStation, for example, offers players the chance to virtually drive the company's latest sporty model, the GT-R—a new marketing approach to create buzz and tempt them into buying cars. Toyota Motors has opened an auto mall as part of a suburban shopping complex near Tokyo, hoping to attract the kinds of shoppers who have long since stopped thinking about dropping by a car dealership. It's a bit akin to the Apple strategy of moving electronics out of the soulless superstore, and into more appealing and well-trafficked retail spaces. It worked for Apple, but then Apple is so 21st century.



http://www.newsweek.com/id/112735/output/print

I wish the U.S. would head down the same path.

Thoughts/opinions?

quickdodge®
06-08-2008, 11:13 AM
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Thoughts/opinions?

For this, you should ask to have this moved to WALLSTREET. This is a good topic that will get destroyed in the WL.

I think it all falls into place with the overall decline in interest in cars all over. Most of the Import trends we see here come from Japan styling. We've often commented, lately, on how it seems the "scene" here is dying off and it is evident in what we see cruising the streets. Well, this article makes sense with the mentioning of this comment:

"the automobile is losing its emotional appeal, particularly among the young, who prefer to spend their money on the latest electronic gadgets."

The young. These are the people that come up with and design new styling for the cars we mod. It seems to be a trickle-down effect. With the huge advancements in video and other electronic gadgets, I can see this happening.

Of course here in the USA, the modding of American cars, will never go away. The old Mustangs, Camaros and such will always be worked on. Later, QD.

Jecht
06-08-2008, 11:24 AM
For this, you should ask to have this moved to WALLSTREET. This is a good topic that will get destroyed in the WL.

I think it all falls into place with the overall decline in interest in cars all over. Most of the Import trends we see here come from Japan styling. We've often commented, lately, on how it seems the "scene" here is dying off and it is evident in what we see cruising the streets. Well, this article makes sense with the mentioning of this comment:

"the automobile is losing its emotional appeal, particularly among the young, who prefer to spend their money on the latest electronic gadgets."

The young. These are the people that come up with and design new styling for the cars we mod. It seems to be a trickle-down effect. With the huge advancements in video and other electronic gadgets, I can see this happening.

Of course here in the USA, the modding of American cars, will never go away. The old Mustangs, Camaros and such will always be worked on. Later, QD.

Someone can move it if they feel like it, I know the thread will get some stupid replies in the WL but its the first place I clicked. lol

I completely agree though - some people will never stop. But I have a feeling the next few generations won't want much to do with cars. None of my younger brothers have the desire to drive, and many of their friends don't show any interest in driving.

quickdodge®
06-08-2008, 11:49 AM
Someone can move it if they feel like it, I know the thread will get some stupid replies in the WL but its the first place I clicked. lol

I completely agree though - some people will never stop. But I have a feeling the next few generations won't want much to do with cars. None of my younger brothers have the desire to drive, and many of their friends don't show any interest in driving.

I have a son turning 16 next month and he's not even in any hurry to get his DL. And that really doesn't bother me at all. He's into more physical activities which is great. Later, QD.

tron
06-08-2008, 12:11 PM
i agree
i just turned 18 and for me my love for cars has been with me since i can remember idk exactly why no one in my family is into modding cars or even any motor sports but right now all the money i earn goes into tech and electronics since i dont have a car at this moment but i plan to buy some sort of sports car most likely a s2k when i finish basic and tech

ironchef
06-08-2008, 12:15 PM
If I didn't need a car to get places, I wouldn't have one either. Its quite the expense :(.

EJ25RUN
06-08-2008, 12:25 PM
i feel it has to do with the cost of owning a car, it exceeds the want vs need principle as there are cheaper ways to get round.

blackshine007
06-08-2008, 01:06 PM
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This is part of the reason why the auto trend in the US won't die down anytime soon. We are growing lazier by the day. No one wants to work hard and everybody wants everything handed to them. That's why immigrants make a killing here. They see that and cater to it. Cars by the day are getting heavier and less fuel efficient. The engines might actually be way more efficient but the average economy car weighs as much as the average midsized car from 10 years ago. I'd never thought I'd live to see a VW Golf weighing over 3000 lbs. These new cars are looking good nowadays, but I wouldn't even consider purchasing one just because of the weight issues. The most fuel efficient non hybrid vehicle on the road gets 41-43 mpg (Smart four2). 10 years ago the Geo Metro 3 cylinder got 49. I don't like where this new trend of vehicles is going and I can't knock having a good transit system. Our problem consists of our own diets. SO the auto industry will continue to carry on it's legacy here.

Jecht
06-08-2008, 01:14 PM
So who wants to start a business importing Kei cars? :lmao:

SOHC MONSTER
06-08-2008, 01:18 PM
If I didn't need a car to get places, I wouldn't have one either. Its quite the expense :(.


I agree %100! Its become to much of a hassle paying, maintaning and fueling vehicles these days. I see more and more businesses selling the hell out of scooters and cheaper motorcycles. Even out here hybrids and more fuel efficient cars are becoming more popular by the day. If we had a clean and decent train system out here I would ride it to get places.

Frög
06-08-2008, 01:21 PM
I wish the U.S. would head down the same path.

Little hypocritical since this is a forum for car enthusiasts.. I mean, I know I hope to own a fat garage when im older..

But U.S. IS going down that path!! Its just a matter of time..

SOHC MONSTER
06-08-2008, 01:36 PM
I wish the U.S. would head down the same path.

It would be better on people who can't afford a car or are barely getting by with owning a car but need it depending on place of residence.



Little hypocritical since this is a forum for car enthusiasts.. I mean, I know I hope to own a fat garage when im older..

I want to own a custom garage when I come close to retirement. Even if the U.S. does head in that direction sites like this will still be a hot spot. Gear heads will more than likely use public transportation or other alternatives more than driving their car but will still keep their car they have worked so hard to build. I plan on it. When I pay this truck off I am parking this Bish. I am also on the hunt for beetle between 68-70 and I plan on restoring it and driving it on the weekends like I do with my truck.

TAKE HOME COMPANY TRUCK FTW!!

green91
06-08-2008, 02:02 PM
They aren't saying that cars are going to disappear anytime soon. Personally i wish there was a better transit system for metro areas. This could ease the oil predicament, traffic, environmental issues and many other problems.

Psycho
06-08-2008, 04:13 PM
Little hypocritical since this is a forum for car enthusiasts.. I mean, I know I hope to own a fat garage when im older..

But U.S. IS going down that path!! Its just a matter of time..
Actaully, I feel the same way as jecht does.

fewer cars on the street = more open road for me :cheers:

man
06-08-2008, 05:26 PM
It's is impossible for the general US public to stop using cars.

Crazy Asian
06-08-2008, 10:12 PM
Id honestly ride a bicycle in this sweltering heat if my work was closer

Bruce Leroy
06-08-2008, 10:14 PM
If I lived someplace where my car would be obsolete. I would still have one, simply for personal enjoyment.

Jecht
06-08-2008, 10:50 PM
Little hypocritical since this is a forum for car enthusiasts.. I mean, I know I hope to own a fat garage when im older..

But U.S. IS going down that path!! Its just a matter of time..

Well my line of thought is similar to that of Sohc Monster and Psycho:
-I wouldn't have to drive the car I've put time and money into every day in traffic
-When I do want to drive my car, there would be fewer people on the road
-Fewer cars would mean less pollution, and thus less smog in Atlanta.
etc.

I don't see why you can't enjoy cars and still use public transportation. :goodjob:

TheProfiteer
06-09-2008, 05:20 AM
I would love to see the day when in our american society cars become nothing but toys, and not necessities.

I suggest that a mod add a poll to this thread.

Question: Could you survive with out a car?
Yes or No simple as that.

I guarantee its gonna be at 99% No as long as people answer truthfully.

Jecht
06-09-2008, 09:25 AM
I would love to see the day when in our american society cars become nothing but toys, and not necessities.

I suggest that a mod add a poll to this thread.

Question: Could you survive with out a car?
Yes or No simple as that.

I guarantee its gonna be at 99% No as long as people answer truthfully.

Good idea. Mods add said poll plz? :goodjob:

Lucky DAWG
06-09-2008, 09:29 AM
I have a son turning 16 next month and he's not even in any hurry to get his DL. And that really doesn't bother me at all. He's into more physical activities which is great. Later, QD.



is he gay?
when i turned 16, i was all about getting the DL and having physical activities in the back seat