View Full Version : Southside V-Meet Convoy Recruiting Thread
JBizzlebone
06-02-2008, 07:10 PM
As the title states, who wants to meet up and ride up to the Varsity. We're going to meet at the Taco Bell on 138 in Stockbridge, right beside interstate 75. Just meet in the parking lot beside Taco Bell.
Goldvolvo240
06-02-2008, 07:54 PM
sounds good...want to meet up at the ingles at 138 and 279(old national)
FriskyWalrus
06-02-2008, 08:10 PM
JBONE! about time i find out what your username is. but you know me and bryce are in. chris is in since he lives around he corner from me. you taking the messed up fit or the 240 this time?
sidewayz13b
06-02-2008, 09:06 PM
ILL BE THERE GUM!!
JBizzlebone
06-03-2008, 12:03 AM
Ingles on 138 at 6:30 it is. See yall fellers there.
PhatbacK
06-03-2008, 12:06 AM
dumb question. whens the varsity meet? i havent been to one in years
Goldvolvo240
06-03-2008, 01:10 AM
dumb question. whens the varsity meet? i havent been to one in years
every first thursday. its this thursday...
PhatbacK
06-03-2008, 11:24 AM
duh!.....its been forever since ive gone and i knew it was a certain day at the beginging of the month but i thought it was wed. hmmm.....might have to come by......maybe
bandydesign
06-03-2008, 12:28 PM
Cool, I will be there! I wonder... could anyone give me a ride to the V? Then back afterwards? If so, then I could hang out of their car and get pictures of everyone as we roll up to the V. Just an idea.
stillaneon
06-03-2008, 02:48 PM
I wish this was closer to 75
Goldvolvo240
06-03-2008, 04:05 PM
Cool, I will be there! I wonder... could anyone give me a ride to the V? Then back afterwards? If so, then I could hang out of their car and get pictures of everyone as we roll up to the V. Just an idea.
maybe if i dont have 50 people ridin in my car...lol
Goldvolvo240
06-03-2008, 04:07 PM
i hope people truly come out...everytime we've done this in the past it was only 10- 15 cars...
stillaneon
06-03-2008, 04:38 PM
again, you would probably have more success somewhere off 75
JBizzlebone
06-03-2008, 07:06 PM
Yeah, I just realized were exactly Goldvolvo was talking about. **** that. Lets meet at the Taco Bell in stockbridge, it's right beside the interstate. Just gather in the little parking lot beside Taco Bell.
JDMB20
06-03-2008, 08:57 PM
YA thats much better and its along the way for most of us i will be there at 6:30
stillaneon
06-03-2008, 11:25 PM
Lets shoot to leave by about 7. that will give some of us that work late to get there
boostleak
06-03-2008, 11:31 PM
I'm down, by the way jbone its the GOLDEN noose.... lol good to see you on the forums man!
bandydesign
06-04-2008, 12:19 AM
lol, so what is the final decision; time? address?
Goldvolvo240
06-04-2008, 12:25 AM
ok..ok..taco bell in stockbridge at 6:30...
Goldvolvo240
06-04-2008, 12:32 AM
I'm down, by the way jbone its the GOLDEN noose.... lol good to see you on the forums man!
lol....yeah, its been a while. been busy building another car :yes: . you all will see it on the drift tracks soon.
boostleak
06-04-2008, 12:42 AM
^^^ Kick ass man
bandydesign
06-04-2008, 12:58 AM
ok..ok..taco bell in stockbridge at 6:30...
Which one? Better yet, can I meet you in Fayetteville?
Goldvolvo240
06-04-2008, 02:32 AM
Which one? Better yet, can I meet you in Fayetteville?
sure...ill p.m. you
LightsOut
06-04-2008, 06:25 AM
LIKE I STATED mines was up 1st who eva said their was already on i posted mine like 6 hrs be4 this ****..... READ THE THREADS 1st be4 making one about something already tryin to get together an **** meeting their i aint driving south from north to just drive right past where i was saying meet up... its stupid 4 me to waste all that gas... the location i picked was perfect 4 all southsiders from riverdale on back to Locas grove.... ITS RIGHT OFF THE ON RAMP TO 75 NORTH... easy as **** to find
JBizzlebone
06-04-2008, 08:26 AM
LIKE I STATED mines was up 1st who eva said their was already on i posted mine like 6 hrs be4 this ****..... READ THE THREADS 1st be4 making one about something already tryin to get together an **** meeting their i aint driving south from north to just drive right past where i was saying meet up... its stupid 4 me to waste all that gas... the location i picked was perfect 4 all southsiders from riverdale on back to Locas grove.... ITS RIGHT OFF THE ON RAMP TO 75 NORTH... easy as **** to find
First of all, please be somewhat coherent when you are posting. While I got the jist of what were trying to portray, it hurt the eyes trying to decode it.
Second, I didn't see your post before I made one and I went back one page. Someone told me to make a Southside thread which means more than one person didn't see your thread and going by the way you responded to my thread, I can see why the thread was lost in the busy array of forum fodder.
Anyway, the Taco Bell in question is located on 138 near Northern Tools(old K-mart) and I-75. If you're coming from the interstate, get off on the Stockbridge exit and make a right. The Taco Bell will be a little ways down on your left. See yunsuns there.
AlanŽ
06-04-2008, 09:25 AM
I MAY be there. depends on how i'm feelin
JBizzlebone
06-04-2008, 10:36 AM
BTW Lightsout look at the time ur post was made(6-3-08) this thread was made 6-2-08.
bandydesign
06-04-2008, 10:37 AM
^you should man (Souza)
Goldvolvo240
06-04-2008, 11:54 AM
LIKE I STATED mines was up 1st who eva said their was already on i posted mine like 6 hrs be4 this ****..... READ THE THREADS 1st be4 making one about something already tryin to get together an **** meeting their i aint driving south from north to just drive right past where i was saying meet up... its stupid 4 me to waste all that gas... the location i picked was perfect 4 all southsiders from riverdale on back to Locas grove.... ITS RIGHT OFF THE ON RAMP TO 75 NORTH... easy as **** to find
check ur facts before u bring bu#^$h*t in another tread
boostleak
06-04-2008, 12:22 PM
^^^lol ^^
LightsOut
06-04-2008, 12:31 PM
i havent sleep 4 5 days i been working straight im sry 4 my reaction i didnt see a southside thread up when i came on my fault i do apoligize im ****ing sleepy as hell..... an what time you trying to meet up ....... and stock is so ****in far outa my way..... im goin north from south then goin south again to go north im a lil bit pissed i need something to put me to sleep... o an i have like a few mins to type so i rush an miss spell things an **** so lets not get talking about my fukin gramer plz its a fourm not college
itsnotarex
06-04-2008, 12:38 PM
I'm living in stockbridge now so I may be there. Depends on when I can get out of work, though.
FriskyWalrus
06-04-2008, 01:20 PM
First of all, please be somewhat coherent when you are posting. While I got the jist of what were trying to portray, it hurt the eyes trying to decode it.
Second, I didn't see your post before I made one and I went back one page. Someone told me to make a Southside thread which means more than one person didn't see your thread and going by the way you responded to my thread, I can see why the thread was lost in the busy array of forum fodder.
Anyway, the Taco Bell in question is located on 138 near Northern Tools(old K-mart) and I-75. If you're coming from the interstate, get off on the Stockbridge exit and make a right. The Taco Bell will be a little ways down on your left. See yunsuns there.
johnny. that made laugh so damn hard. you sir, deserve reps on that one
stillaneon
06-04-2008, 03:00 PM
So this is final?? What time are we heading out?
Goldvolvo240
06-04-2008, 03:01 PM
i havent sleep 4 5 days i been working straight im sry 4 my reaction i didnt see a southside thread up when i came on my fault i do apoligize im ****ing sleepy as hell..... an what time you trying to meet up ....... and stock is so ****in far outa my way..... im goin north from south then goin south again to go north im a lil bit pissed i need something to put me to sleep... o an i have like a few mins to type so i rush an miss spell things an **** so lets not get talking about my fukin gramer plz its a fourm not college
no prob...lets just have a good southside meet
JBizzlebone
06-04-2008, 03:38 PM
i havent sleep 4 5 days i been working straight im sry 4 my reaction i didnt see a southside thread up when i came on my fault i do apoligize im ****ing sleepy as hell..... an what time you trying to meet up ....... and stock is so ****in far outa my way..... im goin north from south then goin south again to go north im a lil bit pissed i need something to put me to sleep... o an i have like a few mins to type so i rush an miss spell things an **** so lets not get talking about my fukin gramer plz its a fourm not college
While I can forgive the misunderstanding, I cannot forgive the horrible spelling and complete lack of any punctuation what so ever. You'll just have to get used to me scolding you though because I do it to everyone. Only advice I can give you is to put on your scolding armor and prepare to be beaten mercilessly with the grammar stick.
So this is final?? What time are we heading out?
Yes, it's final. We'll head out around 7:00-7:30.
stillaneon
06-04-2008, 03:41 PM
While I can forgive the misunderstanding, I cannot forgive the horrible spelling and complete lack of any punctuation what so ever. You'll just have to get used to me scolding you though because I do it to everyone. Only advice I can give you is to put on your scolding armor and prepare to be beaten mercilessly with the grammar stick.
:gay: lol
Yes, it's final. We'll head out around 7:00-7:30.
Sounds good. ASAP will hopefully be there in time to meet up before hand
Goldvolvo240
06-04-2008, 03:54 PM
While I can forgive the misunderstanding, I cannot forgive the horrible spelling and complete lack of any punctuation what so ever. You'll just have to get used to me scolding you though because I do it to everyone. Only advice I can give you is to put on your scolding armor and prepare to be beaten mercilessly with the grammar stick.
Yes, it's final. We'll head out around 7:00-7:30.
thats funny...ill be there
FriskyWalrus
06-04-2008, 04:19 PM
trust me. johnnys got a good hit with his grammar stick. it hurts
sidewayz13b
06-04-2008, 05:22 PM
me and the black eye pea will be there!!
no pistons hell yeah!
Kamelyn
06-04-2008, 07:28 PM
for those around jonesboro, riverdale, college park or union city that want to roll out to the V but dont want to go south to stockbridge.
I'll be at ingles on 138 and Old Nat'l until 7pm then I'm rolling out with whoever meets me there.
Goldvolvo240
06-04-2008, 09:49 PM
for those around jonesboro, riverdale, college park or union city that want to roll out to the V but dont want to go south to stockbridge.
I'll be at ingles on 138 and Old Nat'l until 7pm then I'm rolling out with whoever meets me there.
its easier for me cause i live 5 minutes away from there. i dont want to throw off anything but we could meet there if we have enough people. if we cant get enough, ill roll down to stockbridge.
JBizzlebone
06-04-2008, 09:49 PM
for those around jonesboro, riverdale, college park or union city that want to roll out to the V but dont want to go south to stockbridge.
I'll be at ingles on 138 and Old Nat'l until 7pm then I'm rolling out with whoever meets me there.
There ya go, two locations to make sure no one has to ride up alone. :cry:
:idb:
Goldvolvo240
06-04-2008, 09:52 PM
There ya go, two locations to make sure no one has to ride up alone. :cry:
:idb:
then no hard feelings jbizzlebone? ill host a side meet at ingles.....sounds good!
redmanhart
06-04-2008, 10:18 PM
I'll be there after I pick up the children lol.
JBizzlebone
06-04-2008, 10:25 PM
then no hard feelings jbizzlebone? ill host a side meet at ingles.....sounds good!
Hell naw, no hard feelings. I don't want to inconvenience people more than need be.
boostleak
06-04-2008, 10:59 PM
I'll be there after I pick up the children lol.
Mhmm till we get on live im the tea baggin MAN but now im a child soo mean :cry: Now im going to cut my self and cry about how the world hates me...
sharo227
06-04-2008, 11:03 PM
so me my bf n my son might take a ride up tomorrow.. hopefully traffic dont kick us in the ass from augusta.. im trying to experiment with my new camera so hopefully if we make it i can get some good pics if yall dont mind
btw i see there is more than 1 location so which one is everyone going 2??
boostleak
06-05-2008, 12:37 AM
so me my bf n my son might take a ride up tomorrow.. hopefully traffic dont kick us in the ass from augusta.. im trying to experiment with my new camera so hopefully if we make it i can get some good pics if yall dont mind
btw i see there is more than 1 location so which one is everyone going 2??
Awesome, but people are going to which everone is closer. We still are making it to the same place though! So for the ones you dont get you'll see at the v meet!!
FriskyWalrus
06-05-2008, 12:40 AM
Awesome, but people are going to which everone is closer. We still are making it to the same place though! So for the ones you dont get you'll see at the v meet!!well i know for sure its at least a 3 car convoy for us since chris is coming over here at 5:30 or so so he can follow us to meet up with jbone
bandydesign
06-05-2008, 12:46 AM
OMG this is insane! Can we have some maps of the two locations, times and then a roster of who is going where? I have no idea which of these to go to, when or where to go! OMG OMG :dizzy:
FriskyWalrus
06-05-2008, 12:49 AM
well me, boostleak, jbizzlebone, redmanhart, slovic-fcc and my cousin will be at the taco bell one. i think stillaneon is going to be there as well
slostang
06-05-2008, 12:50 AM
well i know for sure its at least a 3 car convoy for us since chris is coming over here at 5:30 or so so he can follow us to meet up with jbone
IM NOT GOING!!! sorry.
FriskyWalrus
06-05-2008, 12:51 AM
ok so scratch chris off that list
slostang
06-05-2008, 12:54 AM
ok so scratch chris off that list
yeah I gotta ride to winder Friday afternoon to get some rims. :D :D :D
FriskyWalrus
06-05-2008, 12:56 AM
chris you do realize the meet is tomorrow night. you'll be home in time to go to bed early enough to get your wheels if you leave when we do
EDIT: bigasian will more than likely be with us at taco hell
boostleak
06-05-2008, 12:58 AM
chris you do realize the meet is tomorrow night. you'll be home in time to go to bed early enough to get your wheels if you leave when we do
He is right. come on man sleeps for pussys! be a man and drink 5 Hour Engery drinks and monster and rockstar.. **** if you want to be a real big man drink red balls.. coke in a can baby..
FriskyWalrus
06-05-2008, 01:01 AM
bryce. noose. NOOSE! GOLDEN NOOSE! BRING IT! lmao
slostang
06-05-2008, 01:07 AM
chris you do realize the meet is tomorrow night. you'll be home in time to go to bed early enough to get your wheels if you leave when we do
EDIT: bigasian will more than likely be with us at taco hell
the last thing I'm worried about is sleep (referring to the newb) and gas is $4.00 a gallon and I have no job, so I have to pick meet or rims. I think I'll go with rims.
FriskyWalrus
06-05-2008, 01:09 AM
eh its bryce. you'll learn he never sleeps. hes always over here and is always up before i am lol. i would say you could ride with us buuut. the wagon will be crowded. our friend brian is coming with us
slostang
06-05-2008, 01:09 AM
He is right. come on man sleeps for pussys! be a man and drink 5 Hour Engery drinks and monster and rockstar.. **** if you want to be a real big man drink red balls.. coke in a can baby..
... or I can stick to extra strength 5-hour energy shots and cocaine! :goodjob:
slostang
06-05-2008, 01:13 AM
eh its bryce. you'll learn he never sleeps. hes always over here and is always up before i am lol. i would say you could ride with us buuut. the wagon will be crowded. our friend brian is coming with us
thanks for the offer man, I should be at the next one if my car is not in the paint booth.
FriskyWalrus
06-05-2008, 01:15 AM
you also need a lip kit on that thing. CF lip kit ftw
slostang
06-05-2008, 01:16 AM
you also need a lip kit on that thing. CF lip kit ftw
I also need a job. money ftw...
FriskyWalrus
06-05-2008, 01:20 AM
yeah hopefully im getting a job at mellow mushroom soon
slostang
06-05-2008, 01:22 AM
yeah hopefully im getting a job at mellow mushroom soon
ive almost given up.
FriskyWalrus
06-05-2008, 01:26 AM
yeah my friend is going to hook me up with a job. then i can afford to get the FC and start suspension mods on it
slostang
06-05-2008, 01:27 AM
I can't even afford gas for a HONDA...
sleepys4
06-05-2008, 01:40 AM
I'll be at 138 also, look for me in something far foreign.
FriskyWalrus
06-05-2008, 01:46 AM
I can't even afford gas for a HONDA...that is sad lol
Goldvolvo240
06-05-2008, 01:48 AM
Hell naw, no hard feelings. I don't want to inconvenience people more than need be.
how is it an inconvenience? two meets for the southside people who dont want to drive down to stockbridge then to the varsity. we'll meet up with you all at the varsity. but if theres no people there at ingles...ill gladly ride down to stockbridge.:goodjob:
JBizzlebone
06-05-2008, 08:21 AM
how is it an inconvenience? two meets for the southside people who dont want to drive down to stockbridge then to the varsity. we'll meet up with you all at the varsity. but if theres no people there at ingles...ill gladly ride down to stockbridge.:goodjob:
No, no, I wasn't refering to having two meets as being inconvenient. I was talking about people having south to stockbridge then back up. Two meets makes it MORE convenient.
JBizzlebone
06-05-2008, 08:31 AM
OMG this is insane! Can we have some maps of the two locations, times and then a roster of who is going where? I have no idea which of these to go to, when or where to go! OMG OMG :dizzy:
Just go to the one thats closer to you. Hell, we might even meet up on the interstate.
Bigasian will be there, driving my zenki.
bigasian
06-05-2008, 09:59 AM
Bigasian will be there, driving my zenki.
NOPE bigasian will be driving his own zenki with pick wheels HahAhahA (as he is rubing his hands togather)
sharo227
06-05-2008, 12:24 PM
ok well since there are some other augusta people going im jus gonna go straight to varsity from augusta i assume its the one on north ave. where do u park? bc some one told me 2 park in one place n someone else said elsewhere im so lost haha
FriskyWalrus
06-05-2008, 12:29 PM
NOPE bigasian will be driving his own zenki with pick wheels HahAhahA (as he is rubing his hands togather)
but kerry. you're not bryce. you just cant do it like that :lmfao:
OUTLAW
06-05-2008, 01:01 PM
ill try to make the 138 taco bell meet.
JBizzlebone
06-05-2008, 01:08 PM
ok well since there are some other augusta people going im jus gonna go straight to varsity from augusta i assume its the one on north ave. where do u park? bc some one told me 2 park in one place n someone else said elsewhere im so lost haha
As soon as make the right turn into the Varsity, just go straight under the bridge and you will see all the cars. You can park anywhere rly.
bandydesign
06-05-2008, 01:09 PM
So, I just realized I am the same distance from the stockbridge Tbell and the Ingles. Where will there be more people? Are both meets meeting at 6:30 and then leaving at 7?
OUTLAW
06-05-2008, 01:11 PM
kustom if you come to the taco bell meet can i get a rollin pic of my car please
Goldvolvo240
06-05-2008, 01:27 PM
Just go to the one thats closer to you. Hell, we might even meet up on the interstate.
Bigasian will be there, driving my zenki.
hopefully we'll c you on the highway but if not, we'll all try to park together...
bandydesign
06-05-2008, 01:44 PM
kustom if you come to the taco bell meet can i get a rollin pic of my car please
If I can arrange a ride from someone I will get rolling shots of everyone.
OUTLAW
06-05-2008, 01:51 PM
u need ride to the meet or u gonna be at the meet n need a ride to the v
bandydesign
06-05-2008, 02:21 PM
I'm not sure quite what I'm going to do yet.
CB7tuner
06-05-2008, 02:22 PM
im meeting a couple people at the Kroger in stockbridge at 5:30 probobly chill till 6 then rolling out
bandydesign
06-05-2008, 02:23 PM
is it a 24 hour Kroger?
Kamelyn
06-05-2008, 02:30 PM
I'll see y'all at Ingles around 6:00pm-6:30pm and rolling out at 7pm.
Ingles- corner of Hwy 138 (Jonesboro Rd) and Hwy 279 (Old Nat'l)
sleepys4
06-05-2008, 03:11 PM
Kustom I say come to ingles. When are we gonna have a photo day like we walked about.
CB7tuner
06-05-2008, 03:17 PM
is it a 24 hour Kroger?
not sure man, never bothered to look LOL
bandydesign
06-05-2008, 03:28 PM
sorry guys, my plans have changed im giving someone a ride up there so I wont make it to either location. I will however be at the V all night hollar at me! C u all there!
FriskyWalrus
06-05-2008, 10:47 PM
well it was great to meet a few of you guys from the southside. especially Outlaw. you seemed to fit right in with us
slostang
06-06-2008, 12:33 AM
^^^ you aint banned?
boostleak
06-06-2008, 09:05 AM
well it was great to meet a few of you guys from the southside. especially Outlaw. you seemed to fit right in with us
X2 and that 08 wagon dude was prreeetty funny lol
sharo227
06-06-2008, 12:10 PM
really enjoyed meeting everyone last night!! see yah next month hopefully ill have more cars with me..
itsnotarex
06-06-2008, 12:25 PM
X2 and that 08 wagon dude was prreeetty funny lol
Thanks. I think. lol
Sorry I lost you guys on the highway. Everyone was hauling ass and I reall don't need another ticket...so i just chilled.
BTW, 350ZFTW, your car sounds amazing. Are those straight pipes? Also I could smell your exhaust from 6 cars back....or at least I thought it was you. Cats much?
LightsOut
06-06-2008, 12:59 PM
lol i had fun with the rx7 i think it was fuk i dont member... i cant get a ticket but my car was runing just fine...... an stillaneon like the sound of ya car when i heard it... that once i thought it was yours... one day i have the money to get my car up 2 par to try an make it sound as beautiful as i want it... its okay right now...
FriskyWalrus
06-06-2008, 01:03 PM
english please? but yeah my cousin was in the gold RX7 so you probably were talking about him
OUTLAW
06-06-2008, 02:03 PM
hell yeah man i had a great time im comin by the shop taody around 5 30
well it was great to meet a few of you guys from the southside. especially Outlaw. you seemed to fit right in with us
FriskyWalrus
06-07-2008, 09:54 PM
yeah dude you freaking ninja'd us tonight lol. we were blocking johnny in just to fu*k with him and we never noticed you pulling up
stillaneon
06-08-2008, 02:45 PM
BTW, 350ZFTW, your car sounds amazing. Are those straight pipes? Also I could smell your exhaust from 6 cars back....or at least I thought it was you. Cats much?
Are you fuccing high?? That has got to be the most ignorant statement I have read all day. His car sounds like ****. Only person I know who would ruin the beautiful sound of the stock exhaust by adding fart cans.
And you are the only person I have heard compliment the **** sound coming from his car...
Bballjamal
06-08-2008, 06:42 PM
o shlt, im missin everything lmao
FriskyWalrus
06-08-2008, 07:12 PM
Are you fuccing high?? That has got to be the most ignorant statement I have read all day. His car sounds like ****. Only person I know who would ruin the beautiful sound of the stock exhaust by adding fart cans.
And you are the only person I have heard compliment the **** sound coming from his car... well it really matters on his opinion. he might like it alot yet he might not like how your car sounds. but i must ask. how is he ignorant for posting his opinion on the Z?
stillaneon
06-08-2008, 09:10 PM
Jamal, I havent seen you since the full throttle meets in riverdale. how have you been?
Have you heard the Z? Has to be the most riced out sounding V6 in GA....
itsnotarex
06-08-2008, 10:31 PM
Jamal, I havent seen you since the full throttle meets in riverdale. how have you been?
Have you heard the Z? Has to be the most riced out sounding V6 in GA....
It sounded to me like he was running straight pipes and that he was possibly catless, as the one time I found myself behind him his exhaust smelled a lot like a catless car usually does. I also didn't see mufflers. I dunno if he has them or not. However, I was doing this all from inside my car on the highway...so I could easily be wrong.
His car sounds a lot like the Nissan club racers you see at SCCA weekends at road atlanta and such. The stock exhaust sounds great, true, but this thing sounded raw as hell, burbly, raspy, and evil...not really that ricey...and I like that sound. I see no reason for you to be such a prick.
And every SRT4 I've ever heard sounds perfect to me. I love the lack of mufflers from the factory. This includes yours. Maybe if I'd mentioned that you'd have kept your nonsense flaming to yourself.
Nice to meet everyone, nonetheless. I'll try to be out to more meets....its tough though since I work nights. Cheers.
boostleak
06-08-2008, 10:33 PM
SRT4 as close to the diesel as you can get..
redmanhart
06-08-2008, 11:01 PM
LMAO
FriskyWalrus
06-09-2008, 03:42 AM
Have you heard the Z? Has to be the most riced out sounding V6 in GA....
of course i heard the Z. you two were hauling ass right past us like a couple of retards
SRT4 as close to the diesel as you can get..
bryce you speak the truth so well sir
stillaneon
06-09-2008, 10:55 AM
Im ending this **** now. I have no issue with either of you, especially Randall, so I would prefer to keep it that way
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