The REAL Barack Obama. The one the media NEVER shows!

[josh green]

This is scary and cuts to the chase.
Everyone in the country needs to see this and think about where we are headed.

The REAL Barack Obama. The one the media NEVER shows!

http://www.theurbangrind.net/?p=2570

[Spektrewing386]

Fact:

Having a Muslim name doesnt make you a terrorist.




You can bash him all you want for the other stuff, but please dont bash someone for having an Islamic name, it just makes you look like a retarded bigot.



Now only if McCain was like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8TFKXHiefs
about Iraq he would get more votes. But now, people are getting the feeling that he has an Iran invasion plan to go along with Bush's new Manifest Destiny plan.

It seems like McCain used to be a good politician, but now it seems more and more that he has gone over to the dark side.

[twinj]

OBAMA 2008

[bigdare23]

It's funny how people take the time to put together a negative video about Obama, but fail to do the same about the other candidates.


Hate=Fear LOL

[Spektrewing386]

they do put negative videos together about other canidates.



theres negative videos about everyone.

[bigdare23]

they do put negative videos together about other canidates.



theres negative videos about everyone.

Yeah you're right, but I never see a negative mccain video posted on forums, it's like people are trying extra hard to prevent Obama from winning. I haven't seen this much effect since I been alive LOL.

[Dirty Octopus™]

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."

[Blitanicle99]

Yeah you're right, but I never see a negative mccain video posted on forums, it's like people are trying extra hard to prevent Obama from winning. I haven't seen this much effect since I been alive LOL.

You know why you havent seen a negative video like that about McCain?... Because he is the best candidate and not a an idiot. Ding ding ding...

Hate=Fear right?

People arent scared of McCain like they are scared of Obama or Hilary. They hate both.

[Spektrewing386]

i am actually scared of mccain's foreign policy.

As an analogy:
McCain = LA cop
world = minority

[bigdare23]

You know why you havent seen a negative video like that about McCain?... Because he is the best candidate and not a an idiot. Ding ding ding...

Hate=Fear right?

People arent scared of McCain like they are scared of Obama or Hilary. They hate both.

:rolleyes: okay....

[SPOOLIN]

if OBAMA wins, we'll see you guys at the END of 2012.

OBAMA, American by birth, NOT by choice.

[BLK JDM]

if OBAMA wins, we'll see you guys at the END of 2012.

OBAMA, American by birth, NOT by choice.


Wow if that isn't IGNORANT!!

[SPOOLIN]

I am not racist. Call me ignorant but it seems like all african americans are the ignorant ones that only care about the african american candidate. I would be all for Obama if he didn't contradict himself even in his books...and also not being born by a muslim father. I dont care if he was from kenya, that doesn't mean ****.
Once again, I am not racist.

[Total_Blender]

if OBAMA wins, we'll see you guys at the END of 2012.

OBAMA, American by birth, NOT by choice.

I wasn't informed he was being held here against his will:???: ... If he's not American by choice wouldn't he go somewhere else? If he's got the money to run for president surely he's got the money to move to wherever. :crazy:

And the radical fundamentalists like Saddam Hussein, Iranian President Adminidejhad (sp?) and Osama Bin Laden only represent a small percentage of the world's Muslims. Truth be told, the majority of Iranians don't completely agree with these types and harbor little or no ill will toward the US at all, provided the US doesn't botch an invasion/occupation of their countries. Most of the anit-American stuff you see on TV is all just a show put on by the leaders. Much like IA, its just a lot of posturing and e-thugging. :lmfao:

John McNugget gets owned here:goodjob:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajm5JTf7jZs&feature=related

[Spektrewing386]

So, one of your reasons against Obama is because he's half Muslim?


And I thought we had all grown up beyond racism, I guess not.

What makes a person who is racist against Muslims better than a person whos racist against Jews, Blacks, and Hispanics?

Nothing.

What makes a person who says "and also not being born by a muslim father" any different than the mentality of our terrorist enemies who hate Jews and Jew supporters? Only the 6th Commandment and thats all.

[MistaCee]

You know why you havent seen a negative video like that about McCain?... Because he is the best candidate and not a an idiot. Ding ding ding...

Hate=Fear right?

People arent scared of McCain like they are scared of Obama or Hilary. They hate both.

wtf lol:lmfao:

[SPOOLIN]

So, one of your reasons against Obama is because he's half Muslim?


And I thought we had all grown up beyond racism, I guess not.

What makes a person who is racist against Muslims better than a person whos racist against Jews, Blacks, and Hispanics?

Nothing.

What makes a person who says "and also not being born by a muslim father" any different than the mentality of our terrorist enemies who hate Jews and Jew supporters? Only the 6th Commandment and thats all.

muslim's HATE AMERICANS, they are the main "haters"

I think that speaks well, LOL

Obama is a good speaker, thats it, and a good accuser.

The anti-christ will come from within...and be of muslim descent. I aint religous and don't pay attention to end time prophecies but that **** is close enough. If obama wasn't of muslim descent and didn't have muslim names, id think about his input.

[SPOOLIN]

That video was horrible, and hes right, an issue in SOMALIA is no comparison.

[SPOOLIN]

I wasn't informed he was being held here against his will:???: ... If he's not American by choice wouldn't he go somewhere else? If he's got the money to run for president surely he's got the money to move to wherever. :crazy:

just because you live somewhere doesn't mean you are the lifestyle or the heritage. You can move to italy, but not be italian. You might live there to achieve something but hate the place anyways.

Thank you.

[The Yousef]

muslim's HATE AMERICANS, they are the main "haters"

I think that speaks well, LOL

Obama is a good speaker, thats it, and a good accuser.

The anti-christ will come from within...and be of muslim descent. I aint religous and don't pay attention to end time prophecies but that **** is close enough. If obama wasn't of muslim descent and didn't have muslim names, id think about his input.

WHOA!!!
that is the most ignorant thing i have read on this site. congratulations for showing that public education system in the US does not work. i am a muslim and i love america AS DOES MANY OTHER MUSLIMS. there are a billion of us and trust me if we were all terrorists then the US would not be here you ignorant sack of sh1t. wtf is with the apocolaptyic bull**** that a Muslim will be the antichrist? wtf did you read that in your newly minted neo-con book from Anne Coulter or did Bill O'Reilly tell you that? people like you give the US a bad name in the world's eye and if your believes spread then the great nation of ours is doomed.
I'm going to pray that you gain some wisdom...because honestly you need it. I was going to put my normal sarcastic qoute like 'i hope your POS civic explodes with you in it, and the doors get welded shut from the extreme heat causing you to break the windows to get out, but then your harnesses melt onto your skin causing you to scream out in horrendous pain as your burn to death'....but i am not. i'm going pray that you will learn to read a book and gain insight in today's complex world and not be limited to your hate mongering thoughts.

kthxbye.

[The Yousef]

OH AND BTW BARACK OBAMA IS NOT A MUSLIM!!!! and even if he was who cares? where does it say that the President needs to be a Christian? it dosen't...its not in the constitution just because you are Islamophobic and refuse to look beyond your own ignorance dosen't mean everyone has to also.

[blackshine007]

I am not racist. Call me ignorant but it seems like all african americans are the ignorant ones that only care about the african american candidate. I would be all for Obama if he didn't contradict himself even in his books...and also not being born by a muslim father. I dont care if he was from kenya, that doesn't mean ****.
Once again, I am not racist.
I don't think your racist. Calling you ignorant is like saying that you are not aware of what you are saying because you aren't educated to a particular subject. But that's not the case. You know the exact situation at hand, yet you foolishly let crap dribble from your mind and through your keyboard as a form of a thought process. In other words, You're not ignorant. You're stupid. You're quick to feed off negativity yet you haven't even bothered to look for anything positive about this man. But I bet McCain is a saint in your eyes, huh? Never did anything wrong? The media is good at letting you see things that aren't knowingly there and being that your stupidity lets you type foolishness, I hope for your benefit that Bush III gets into office. I can't say that he is as slow as our current commander in chief but they sure do have common goals.

[The Yousef]

I don't think your racist. Calling you ignorant is saying that you are not aware of what you are saying because you aren't educated to a particular subject. But that's not the case. You know the exact situation at hand, yet you foolish let crap dribble from your mind and through your keyboard as a form of thought process. In other words, Your not ignorant. You're stupid. You quick to feed off negativity yet you haven't even bothered to look for anything positive about this man. But I bet McCain is a saint in your eyes, huh? Never did anything wrong? The media is good at letting you see things that aren't knowingly there and being that your stupidity lets you type foolishness, I hope for your benefit that Bush III gets into office. I can't say that he is as slow as our current commander in chief but they sure do have common goals.

LOL repped.

[SPOOLIN]

LOL, i love this ****. I don't hate anyone and i am not affraid of muslims. Lots of people ignore signs that are right in front of them. Everything you guys are saying about what i say is how i feel about what you are actually saying. Its a stupid cycle and i also said i don't believe in that stuff, i just quoted information.

did you ask barrack if he was or was not a muslim? Of course he will say NO every way he can.

Having a Christian president is probably more preferable since that is what this country was founded on and it has seemed to work perfectly fine for the last 233 or so years.

Its like people that want to take god out of the pledge of allegiance, just because they don't believe or have nothing to do with Christianity. Thats what this land was founded on, don't like it, GTFO.

I don't watch political talk shows, no thanks.

I don't go to church and i'm not highly religious in anyway, but i do believe that when it comes to something as big as our country, DON'T fix what ISN'T broken.

I hope with all of your defensiveness that you actually go and cast your vote.


McCAIN is no SAINT in my eyes, HE'S THE ONLY LOGICAL CHOICE THAT THERE IS!


I normally never argue about anything political, but i can probably guess that hardly anybody else has either until this campaign, there will probably be record voting this time around.

[The Yousef]

I hope with all of your defensiveness that you actually go and cast your vote.


oh trust me i will...

i hope for all your ignorance you will actually open your eyes and not be stuck in the redneck mentality you have.

if not then have fun while the scary Muslim Antichrist comes in rapes your women and takes your Christian jobs from this christian land.....:no:

http://www.thefairandbalancednews.com/images/ignorance.jpg

[Spektrewing386]

muslim's HATE AMERICANS, they are the main "haters"

I think that speaks well, LOL

Obama is a good speaker, thats it, and a good accuser.

The anti-christ will come from within...and be of muslim descent. I aint religous and don't pay attention to end time prophecies but that **** is close enough. If obama wasn't of muslim descent and didn't have muslim names, id think about his input.



Your logic is not correct. Muslims don't hate Americans. Certain people who are Muslim hate Americans. Do you think all those 2 billion people hate America? Can I go up to a Muslim on the street and ask him if he hates America? Will they say yes?

Do you personally know any Muslims, Spoolin? If so, do they have a hatred for this country?

It saddens me to know that people fail to realize that Muslims, who are spread across the globe, numbering around 2 billion. Who live in every single country of the world.... can't ALL be clumped together as having the same mindset, views, and opinions.

That is exactly like saying a lot of Americans are fat... Americans are mostly white Christians..... So that means all white Christians are fat.

2 billion people cant all go into the category of "America Hater", thats just ignorant. Don't be as stupid as that one Marine who was caught using a Koran as target practice for his rifle.

People who say the Anti-Christ is this or that, have no backup or proof or reason for it. One historical reference said the Anti-Christ will be a Latin man. Another reference stated that the Anti-Christ will be a Jewish person. During the Reformation, the Anti-Christ was said to have been the Papacy. When Peter the Great established his reforms of shaving beards and whatnot, he was views by some Eastern Othodox members as the Anti-Christ.

So by all means, the Anti-Christ is whoever you want it to be. I can call you the Anti-Christ and it has the same validation as all those others I have listed, as in its just whoever you dont like at the current time.


Well, that ends my rant for this post. I got to go back to being fat... im fat because I'm an American Christian, right? I must be, because thats the sterotype so it applies to all 300 million of us.

[Spektrewing386]

Having a Christian president is probably more preferable since that is what this country was founded on and it has seemed to work perfectly fine for the last 233 or so years.



The country was NOT founded on Christianity, if it was, we would have a national religon which we DON'T.

You say, "just because they don't believe or have nothing to do with Christianity. Thats what this land was founded on, don't like it, GTFO."

But do you fail to realize that you don't have to be Christian to believe in God?
Personally, I think the word "God" is not needed in any government application since this government serves people of every faith, Abrahamic or not.

Jews believe in God, Muslims believe in God. Christians believe in God. They all believe in the same exact God. Moses, Jesus, Abraham. They are all prophets in those 3 religions. In fact, Abraham is considered an ancestor of Muhammed.

So why cant these religions all get along? It may be because each of these religons have people like you who disturb it. People fail to realize one of the main teachings of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam... and that is don't be a freaking arsehole.

[SPOOLIN]

interesting you say all this but at the same time you are guilty calling me redneck when i am far from it. Thats actually humorous.

you guys are no better. I'm done, going back to being the skinny kid who works and doesn't live beyond his means.

[bigdare23]

LOL

[sararose]

...and also not being born by a muslim father. I dont care if he was from kenya, that doesn't mean ****.


muslim's HATE AMERICANS, they are the main "haters"


The anti-christ will come from within...and be of muslim descent. I aint religous and don't pay attention to end time prophecies but that **** is close enough. If obama wasn't of muslim descent and didn't have muslim names, id think about his input.


Once again, I am not racist.


wait for it...



I would be all for Obama if he didn't contradict himself...


http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/0608/pot_kettle_black.jpg

[blackshine007]

wait for it...





http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/0608/pot_kettle_black.jpg
LOL. He'll catch on someday....

[jew_boy]

if a democrat wins this election i hope it is Hilliary. im republic but it not looking that good for them this year, but why would we elect someone that goes to a church that think white ppl are the enemy and that does not pledge to the flag of our country that are U.S. soldier have lost there lives for.

[AirMax95]

This is funny......

People are so closed mined and stupid.

[josh green]

if a democrat wins this election i hope it is Hilliary. im republic but it not looking that good for them this year, but why would we elect someone that goes to a church that think white ppl are the enemy and that does not pledge to the flag of our country that are U.S. soldier have lost there lives for.
Lol, your about to get raped......
Young people dont have any respect for anything so why not vote for someone who doesnt respect his country. His wife said it, im sure he and his whole congregation felt the same way. "god damn america" sounds pretty positive from the mans life long mentor, but I guess we just arent open minded enough......

[jew_boy]

Lol, your about to get raped......

and why is that

[Spektrewing386]

but I guess we just arent open minded enough......


im pretty sure he was refering to the anti-Islamic statements people have made and not specific Obama issues.

[BB6dohcvtec]

Lol, your about to get raped......
Young people dont have any respect for anything so why not vote for someone who doesnt respect his country. His wife said it, im sure he and his whole congregation felt the same way. "god damn america" sounds pretty positive from the mans life long mentor, but I guess we just arent open minded enough......

you are right about that your not open minded enough, that kind of talk goes on at some point in all black churches, african americans of that age still hold a little grudge against whites because they grew up in the civil rights era. Time do heal wounds but it doesn't cover up the scar.

[MistaCee]

Having a Christian president is probably more preferable since that is what this country was founded on and it has seemed to work perfectly fine for the last 233 or so years.





Well in my opinion Christianity in America's politics means nothing now a days.

[Vteckidd]

I like what Richard Morris had to say today on H+C.

Look lets get some FACTS straight about OBama.

He has NO TRACK RECORD, NO HISTORY, NO POLICY.

He has friendships and associations with some very CRAZY and LEFT WING people.

His powerbase is from a bunch of crazy lunatic preachers (wright) in the city of Chicago. He aligned himself with Trinity church to further his potential political career.

Obama is dead even in a presidential race that should be the easiest win in history. This country WANTs to vote democratic, they dont want Bush 3 in the white house, the current presidnt has 28% approval rating, but for some reason Mcain is still LEADING. Obama should be 30 points ahead. Why isnt he?

BECAUSE HIS OWN PARTY DOESNT TRUST HIM. BECAUSE HE HAS NO QULAIFICATIONS TO RUN THIS COUNTRY, NO MILITARY RECORD, NO FOREIGN POLICY, NO LEGISLATURE HISTORY, NOTHING.

The only reason why we are even talking about Obama is because he is BLACK. The only reason we are talking about Hilary is because she is a WOMAN. Obama is nothing special, he is charasmatic, a decent speaker, and he has motivated the mostly ignorant American people.

There is a lot of RIGHT propaganda against Obama, such as this video, which most of it isnt true.

But regardless, the only person with any kind of record, service, dignity in the race is Mccain.

If you Vote Obama, prepare for worse times to come. EDUCATE YOURSELF.
He talks about CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN, yet all he has said he would do is talk with terrorsts and known terrorist states and end the war in IRaq.

WOW, great CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN.

[josh green]

Well in my opinion Christianity in America's politics means nothing now a days.
Thats b/c people have no morals now a days.

kidd, your just close minded too.

The president is the highest rank in the military, it should be a requirement that you serve at least 4 years to be eligible for president. Period.

[Vteckidd]

you are right about that your not open minded enough, that kind of talk goes on at some point in all black churches, african americans of that age still hold a little grudge against whites because they grew up in the civil rights era. Time do heal wounds but it doesn't cover up the scar.

Im sorry the biggest racists around are black people. Wright , Jesse Jackson, SHarpton, i could go on. The only people propagating racism is wealthy well to do BLACK leaders an they use it to INSTILL FEAR in the mostly ignorant american poplace.

[josh green]

Im sorry the biggest racists around are black people. Wright , Jesse Jackson, SHarpton, i could go on. The only people propagating racism is wealthy well to do BLACK leaders an they use it to INSTILL FEAR in the mostly ignorant american poplace.
You got some balls on you white man.

[jew_boy]

you are right about that your not open minded enough, that kind of talk goes on at some point in all black churches, african americans of that age still hold a little grudge against whites because they grew up in the civil rights era. Time do heal wounds but it doesn't cover up the scar.

ok but there are white ppl that also marched with the black comminuty and supported them. there are also a good amount of white people that got killed for supporting or hanging out with african americans but do they ever take that into consideration.... i believe not

[Vteckidd]

muslim's HATE AMERICANS, they are the main "haters"


Correction, there are CERTAIN muslims who HATE American, just like there are Christians, Catholics,etc that prob share the same sentiment.

I Mean look at Unibomer, Mcveigh, etc. They were anglo-saxon and Mcveigh was christian.

Youre generalizing too much. I know alot of Muslims that arent going to go stap a bomb to their chest or go enlist in Al Qaeda tomorrow.

There are factions of their religion ust like there are factions of other religions.

Look at Billy Graham and Rev. Wright from OBamas camp. 2 TOTALLY DIFFERENT preachers, same religion. Yet you cant say ALL CHRISTIAN PREACHERS HATE AMERICA like wright says.

Same with the Muslim Religion. IIRC Kabir and Shawn are Muslim, theyve welcomed me into their home (to sell parts to me lol) and they are cool peeps. I dont see them as often as i used to, but they are cool people. They arent terrorists lol. I dont think ive ever heard any kind of Anti American sentiment out of them. So we cant judge people like you are.



The anti-christ will come from within...and be of muslim descent. I aint religous and don't pay attention to end time prophecies but that **** is close enough. If obama wasn't of muslim descent and didn't have muslim names, id think about his input.

Ehhh, depends which bible you read lol. I dont belive in the anti-Christ , i think Man Kind will ultimately be its own "anti-christ" but thats well out of our lifetime.

[Vteckidd]

You got some balls on you white man.

Well its true, its not about Equality anymore , its about Special Privledges.

Not all black people are like that, im saying most of the people that scream about racism, are people that use it as a form of fear, control, and power.

[MistaCee]

Kidd does sound close minded. I mean didn't Jesse Jackson run? He black and I remember that going nowhere. Also this is the first that I am hearing that McCain is leading.

[josh green]

Well its true, its not about Equality anymore , its about Special Privledges.

Not all black people are like that, im saying most of the people that scream about racism, are people that use it as a form of fear, control, and power.
From your statement, to me it appears that those people are only using it to manipulate people into their favor. Who knew you could use racism as a sales/pitch tactic.

From what I have seen, remember now, what I have seen. IE, me in my spare time. McCain isnt the only one making a complete fool of himself. He isnt all over the news with issues of instability. If I do vote it will be for McCain, but I do not fancy any candidates running. I may just write in Steven Colbert.

[MistaCee]

Im sorry the biggest racists around are black people. Wright , Jesse Jackson, SHarpton, i could go on. The only people propagating racism is wealthy well to do BLACK leaders an they use it to INSTILL FEAR in the mostly ignorant american poplace.

Lol I find that funny. Only people who propagand racism are wealthy black leaders.:lmfao:

[Spektrewing386]

i see this thread exceding 5 pages within 10 hours

[Blitanicle99]

What makes a person who is racist against Muslims better than a person whos racist against Jews, Blacks, and Hispanics?

Nothing.


WAIT A F***ING MINUTE THERE BUDDY.

Theres a huge difference. In the jewish faith, does it tell the jewish community to kill anyone non jewish? NO. In any black holiday or religious term (not that blacks are a religious group) does it say to kill anyone that is not black? NO.

And what does it say in the Koran? KILL ANYONE NON MUSLIM.

I HAVE A BIGGGG PROBLEM WITH THAT **** RIGHT THERE.

Thats where the difference is buddy.

[Vteckidd]

Lol I find that funny. Only people who propagand racism are wealthy black leaders.:lmfao:

Absolutely.

Jesse Jackson an his RAINBOW Coalition

Sharpton

Now Obama.

Most of them got to power by building upon racist talk and instilling fear in their constiuents

Look at the most RACIST organizations in the country. NAACP?

Come on wake up.

Close minded? Me? no im just educated.

Mccain vs Obama recent polls show mccain up+3.

[josh green]

i see this thread exceding 5 pages within 10 hours
It honestly doesnt matter, my mind is made up. There is NOTHING anyone can say to change my ballot. Close minded or not, I'm sure someone will try to enlighten with their liberal aura.

Next thing you know someone will want to take my guns away and make me pay for someone elses bad health....

As for the comment about Jews, I have been to Temple more than 1 occasion and the Rabbi speak of love in every sermon. They have SEVERAL prayers Blessing their children, life, Some the Messiah, etc... Jews are taught to focus on LOVE and not hatred.

[jew_boy]

Next thing you know someone will want to take my guns away and make me pay for someone elses bad health....

thats exactly why you should vote republican

[Vteckidd]

From your statement, to me it appears that those people are only using it to manipulate people into their favor. Who knew you could use racism as a sales/pitch tactic.



Well SHarpton, Rev Wright, Jackson, NAACP, did it.

Obama used it to get his powerbase.

+1 sir

[josh green]

Well SHarpton, Rev Wright, Jackson, NAACP, did it.

Obama used it to get his powerbase.

+1 sir
Thats pretty f*cking twisted if you ask me.

LOL 13 viewing, im sure some are lurking as well.
time for bed.

[Vteckidd]

Its just sad to see all these people say OBAMA yet hey have NO CLUE what he stands for, what his record is, and why he deserves to be in the white house.

I mean the guy is a NOOB. But the attitude of "ANYONE BUT BUSH" has gotten him to where he is today.

The idiots of my generation who want "hope an change" and the black population are the only ones that identify with Obama.

ANyone that says they want him in office, please, look at his record.

He has a 20 YEAR RELATIONSHIP with a HUGE RACIST (REV WRIGHT) and he has supported wright until it did him political damage.

He has NO RECORD to be president.

He has NO MILITARY Service.

No great deeds in the Legislature.

He and his wife have said some crazy things about this country.

If you really think its going to be a BETTER place with him in power, god help us all.

[TIGERJC]

Im sorry the biggest racists around are black people. Wright , Jesse Jackson, SHarpton, i could go on. The only people propagating racism is wealthy well to do BLACK leaders an they use it to INSTILL FEAR in the mostly ignorant american poplace.
FU.CKING idiot to believe that

[blacknightteg]

WAIT A F***ING MINUTE THERE BUDDY.

Theres a huge difference. In the jewish faith, does it tell the jewish community to kill anyone non jewish? NO. In any black holiday or religious term (not that blacks are a religious group) does it say to kill anyone that is not black? NO.

And what does it say in the Koran? KILL ANYONE NON MUSLIM.

I HAVE A BIGGGG PROBLEM WITH THAT **** RIGHT THERE.

Thats where the difference is buddy.


no where in the islamic faith does it tell muslims to kill anyone who is not a muslim. im sorry but your are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY false

in the islamic faith it asks muslims to only engage in battle if there is need for defense. Muslims are never supposed to attack anyone unless provoked.

[Vteckidd]

FU.CKING idiot to believe that

You are crazy if you dont. I already presented my argument, try to come up with something better than that retort please.

Name calling just shows your ignorance

[TIGERJC]

You are crazy if you dont. I already presented my argument, try to come up with something better than that retort please.

Name calling just shows your ignorance
then give facts to back up your statement, I really want to know how your simple ass came up with that conclusion that blacks are the biggest racist

[MistaCee]

You are crazy if you dont. I already presented my argument, try to come up with something better than that retort please.

Name calling just shows your ignorance

How is it installing fear? The fear is already there. It has been proven that police officers shoot at black suspects quicker than they do white. I mean if you don't think there is a problem there than you are crazy.

[MistaCee]

How is it installing fear? The fear is already there. It has been proven that police officers shoot at black suspects quicker than they do white. I mean if you don't think there is a problem there than you are crazy.

On that note I am not saying that there arn't any rasict blacks out there.. But the allegations that Mr. Kidd is putting out are way off IMO.

[bigdare23]

Every race is racist. Non-whites "racist" use racism as a defense mechanism (most of the time it's due to fear...getting robbed, loosing land, revenge for the past), while whites are racist because they believe they are superior (white racist can't give reasons behind their hate most of the time). Just my opinion tho.

[Spektrewing386]

WAIT A F***ING MINUTE THERE BUDDY.

Theres a huge difference. In the jewish faith, does it tell the jewish community to kill anyone non jewish? NO. In any black holiday or religious term (not that blacks are a religious group) does it say to kill anyone that is not black? NO.

And what does it say in the Koran? KILL ANYONE NON MUSLIM.

I HAVE A BIGGGG PROBLEM WITH THAT **** RIGHT THERE.

Thats where the difference is buddy.




Its a whole interpretation theory. It is all about how you interpret it. And in some ways, there is exactly that kind of stuff in the Bible.

In John 2:22 is says "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."

So basically in the Bible it says anyone who isn't Christian is the Anti-Christ. I guess there are other ways to interpret that, sorta the same thing is happening in the Quran.

I am not an expert, but the controversial 6th Pillar of Islam is I believe what you are refering to. There are many ways to interpret the word jihad. For many, it is a struggle to better yourself within. For others, it describes war against people only who oppress and fight you, as in self defense. Others view it as expansion of Islam through words. Others view it as struggle with non-believers. That could mean non-muslims, or it could mean non-believers... as in NOT christians and jews, because they are 'believers'. It also describes that you shouldnt use violence agaisnt women, children, non-combatants, POWs... ect.

So when people go to other countries to blow up innocent people, they are actually taking a very retarded fundementalist view of a few lines of text.


As I understand, the Quran was written during a time when the pagan Meccans were continously harassing the newly formed group of Muslims and oppressing them. So the whole internal/external stuggle of 'jihad' may have had a different meaning back then.

[Vteckidd]

How is it installing fear? The fear is already there. It has been proven that police officers shoot at black suspects quicker than they do white. I mean if you don't think there is a problem there than you are crazy.

LOL

Why is it that 2/3 of the INCARCERATED POPULATION is BLACK?

Is it because whites are so racist? or is it because MORE OF THEM COMMIT CRIMES?

At current levels of incarceration newborn black males in this country have a greater than a 1 in 4 chance of going to prison during their lifetime or more than 25%!

Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 28% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 16% of Hispanic males and 4.4% of white males.

Of persons convicted of drug trafficking in State courts in 1990--85% were male 42% were white, 57% black, and 1% of other races

since 1990, African Americans have accounted for more than 75% of persons
incarcerated for drug offenses in Georgia and make up 97.7% of the people in
that state who are given life sentences for drug offenses.

I know some people might think that African Americans are arrested so often
for drug offenses because police officers target drug dealers and most blacks
fit that profile. If that is indeed the case, why did an analysis by the
Georgia State Board of Pardons and Paroles find that 77% of the offenses
leading to the first conviction and 79% of the offenses leading to a second
drug conviction involved less than one gram of a controlled substance. In
addition, that same study found that 60% of the cases involved drug values of
less than $50. I'm sure Georgia isn't the only state in which such statistics
hold true.

To TigerJC

I find it funny how Jackson is down with the Jenna6, but when a WHITE PERSON gets beaten to death by BLACK GANGs, he is nowhere to be found.

How many times has Jesse gone to the aid of a WHITE PERSON? I Mean hell he judged and convicted the Duke Lacrosse team before they even went to trial all because the stripper was BLACK. if it was a WHITE stripre he never ould have even touched the topic. He offered to pay that Strippers college tuitin, i wonder if he still is holding to that after she admitted lieing.

SHarpton, please, just search his name.

Obama has gotten his POWER from a bunch of RACIST black leaders in inner city CHICAGO. That is FACT my friend.

NAACP doesnt want EQUALITY, it wants SPECIAL PRIVLEDGES.

[TIGERJC]

To TigerJC

I find it funny how Jackson is down with the Jenna6, but when a WHITE PERSON gets beaten to death by BLACK GANGs, he is nowhere to be found.

How many times has Jesse gone to the aid of a WHITE PERSON? I Mean hell he judged and convicted the Duke Lacrosse team before they even went to trial all because the stripper was BLACK. if it was a WHITE stripre he never ould have even touched the topic. He offered to pay that Strippers college tuitin, i wonder if he still is holding to that after she admitted lieing.

SHarpton, please, just search his name.

Obama has gotten his POWER from a bunch of RACIST black leaders in inner city CHICAGO. That is FACT my friend.

NAACP doesnt want EQUALITY, it wants SPECIAL PRIVLEDGES.
This is not about them, this is about you grouping all blacks and claiming that the black race is the most racist race of ppl in america. The black community hasn't had any real leaders for the past 20+ years, they are just like politicians, they only care about themselves. I can bet money that the black community is more accepting of different cultures, sexual and religion preferences than any other race.

[Vteckidd]

Then you cant READ.

My comments were on context to party and political leaders, not generalizing a race an its people.

I wont say that the BLACK RACE is the most racist, but the black leaders are the most racist in the country, hands down. That was my point.

Come on man keep up

[MistaCee]

LOL

Why is it that 2/3 of the INCARCERATED POPULATION is BLACK?

Is it because whites are so racist? or is it because MORE OF THEM COMMIT CRIMES?

At current levels of incarceration newborn black males in this country have a greater than a 1 in 4 chance of going to prison during their lifetime or more than 25%!

Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 28% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 16% of Hispanic males and 4.4% of white males.

Of persons convicted of drug trafficking in State courts in 1990--85% were male 42% were white, 57% black, and 1% of other races

since 1990, African Americans have accounted for more than 75% of persons
incarcerated for drug offenses in Georgia and make up 97.7% of the people in
that state who are given life sentences for drug offenses.

I know some people might think that African Americans are arrested so often
for drug offenses because police officers target drug dealers and most blacks
fit that profile. If that is indeed the case, why did an analysis by the
Georgia State Board of Pardons and Paroles find that 77% of the offenses
leading to the first conviction and 79% of the offenses leading to a second
drug conviction involved less than one gram of a controlled substance. In
addition, that same study found that 60% of the cases involved drug values of
less than $50. I'm sure Georgia isn't the only state in which such statistics
hold true.



Exactly so at the same time look at the poverty population of blacks. Higher poverty amount= Higher trafficking . If you were as smart as you said you was I would think you'd put that together.

[TIGERJC]

Im sorry the biggest racists around are black people.
Sounds like a generalization to me and I don't see anything about the leaders being the racist ones in that sentence and again these ppl are not black leaders. I don't remember every voting for jesse or al or anyone else to be my leader.

[Vteckidd]

Exactly so at the same time look at the poverty population of blacks. Higher poverty amount= Higher trafficking . If you were as smart as you said you was I would think you'd put that together.
Wait your arguement was that cops were RACIST towards blacks. That blacks had a right to have fear because white people (cops) were more likely to shoot at BLACK suspects.

I just proved that its not RACISM, yet its cold hard FACT that blacks are more criminals than whites. So the RACIST cops, arent racist, they are just going by statistics.

Thats calling a spade a spade not sugarcoating it.

[MistaCee]

Can I also say that it is a proven fact that Blacks and Hispanics are given more time than Whites are? Also while Whites make up the majority of the population they are still searched far less than Blacks and Hispanics.

[Vteckidd]

Sounds like a generalization to me and I don't see anything about the leaders being the racist ones in that sentence and again these ppl are not black leaders. I don't remember every voting for jesse or al or anyone else to be my leader.

HAHA so you only pick out what you want to HEAR

i said


Im sorry the biggest racists around are black people. Wright , Jesse Jackson, SHarpton, i could go on. The only people propagating racism is wealthy well to do BLACK leaders an they use it to INSTILL FEAR in the mostly ignorant american poplace.


I mean even Mista Cee saw mypoint
Originally Posted by MistaCee

Lol I find that funny. Only people who propagand racism are wealthy black leaders.

If you read my previous and post posts(redundant) you saw i was speaking on POLITICAL leaders.

Come on Tiger, quit trying to pick a fight over something out of context. instead lease present your arguement.

Im sorry but Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Obama i would consider black POLITICAL LEADERS whether you voted for them or not.

[jew_boy]

there are some racist cops but i think the main think Mr.KIDD is trying to say that racism is a big factor in black politics

[bigdare23]

Also, minorities tend to be targeted more than whites (I droved down tara blvd. one night around 2am and was amazed by the amount of cops that where out).

[Vteckidd]

Can I also say that it is a proven fact that Blacks and Hispanics are given more time than Whites are? Also while Whites make up the majority of the population they are still searched far less than Blacks and Hispanics.

Provide facts please.

Of course Blacks and Hispanics do more time, THEY DO MORE CRIME!@

DUH

Whites are searched far less? BECAUSE BLACKS COMMIT MORE CRIME DUH!

I mean what you are saying is like saying "Whites play in winter sports more than blacks".

DUH, last time i checked Canada an Europe didnt have a big BLACK population.

Thats like saying Blacks play in the NBA more than Whites.

NO ****!

WHites have more education than blacks. is that racist? im sure to you it is, but in reality, well, its true. But im sure you will say it because blacks dont have the same opportunity as whites.

Well then we created affirmative action. Equal Opportunity Hiring. But no, thats not good enough either.

Look, most BLACK politicians, WHICH IS WHAT THIS THREAD WAS ABOUT, or BLACK LEADERs, use FEAR as a tool of gaining constituents.

That is my point.

[Vteckidd]

Also, minorities tend to be targeted more than whites (I droved down tara blvd. one night around 2am and was amazed by the amount of cops that where out).

oF COURSE THEY ARE THEY COMMIT MORE CRIMES!

They are targeted more because they DO MORE CRIME !!!!!!!

I didnt make those statistics up, thats US GOVERNEMENT AND STATE FUNDED CRIME STATISTICS, some done by INDEPENDANT AGENCIES.

[MistaCee]

I mean even Mista Cee saw mypoint


I never saw your point buddy. Hence the( :lmfao:) at the end of the statement.

[MistaCee]

Provide facts please.

Of course Blacks and Hispanics do more time, THEY DO MORE CRIME!@



Lol so you kind of just agreed with the dicrimination thing. Because the person is black or hispanic he should naturally spend more time in jail?

[MistaCee]

Oh and I like the way how you blew off the greater poverty numbers being the cause of blacks having a higher crime rate.

[MistaCee]

W/e though can't believe I got myself tied up into this Black vs White thing. In the end I could care less what you think really.. Your not going to change my views on things as well as I. So might as well end this discussion. I'm hitting the bed got more important things to do tommorow.

[JITB]

PLEASE IGNORE MR. KIDD HE OFTEN GOES ON AND ON ABOUT THINGS THAT HE REALLY DOESNT KNOW ABOUT...
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/jailrace.htm

in that link you will have plenty of data and numbers by the department of justice..

[JITB]

oh wow
http://www.gwinnettcountysheriff.com/asp/JailstatsRaces.asp
http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp

[Vteckidd]

Again just like TigerJC you only post what you want to see, not the real story.

GO read those statistic you just posted.

DId i say every jail has more black inmates that white? NO. So Gwinette county Jail upholds your arguement.

Jesus, you guys make me laugh lol.

I dont know what im talking about? my statistics come from YOUR LINK LOL

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm

The prevalence of imprisonment in 2001 was higher for
-- black males (16.6%) and Hispanic males (7.7%) than for white males (2.6%)
-- black females (1.7%) and Hispanic females (0.7%) than white females (0.3%)

Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 32% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 17% of Hispanic males and 5.9% of white males.

# Lifetime chances of a person going to prison are higher for

-- men (11.3%) than for women (1.8%)
-- blacks (18.6%) and Hispanics (10%) than for whites (3.4%)

# More than 6 in 10 persons in local jails in 2002 were racial or ethnic minorities, unchanged from 1996.
# An estimated 40% were black; 19%, Hispanic, 1% American Indian; 1% Asian; and 3% of more than one race/ethnicity.

You just agreed with me, thanks!

[Vteckidd]

Oh and I like the way how you blew off the greater poverty numbers being the cause of blacks having a higher crime rate.The young child poverty rate has grown twice as fast among whites as among blacks.

Although the incidence of poverty among whites is relatively low compared to blacks, the rate of white young children living in poverty grew twice as fast as that among blacks (38 percent versus 19 percent) between the late 1970s and the early 1990s. White children are the largest single ethnic group of young children in poverty. In 1994, there were over 2.2 million young white children living in poverty compared to 1.9 million young black children and 1.7 million young Hispanic children.

But again, they are more poor WHY? dont tell me because whites are racists.

Dont feed me that crap.

[JITB]

Again just like TigerJC you only post what you want to see, not the real story.

GO read those statistic you just posted.

DId i say every jail has more black inmates that white? NO. So Gwinette county Jail upholds your arguement.

Jesus, you guys make me laugh lol.

I dont know what im talking about? my statistics come from YOUR LINK LOL

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm

The prevalence of imprisonment in 2001 was higher for
-- black males (16.6%) and Hispanic males (7.7%) than for white males (2.6%)
-- black females (1.7%) and Hispanic females (0.7%) than white females (0.3%)

Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 32% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 17% of Hispanic males and 5.9% of white males.

# Lifetime chances of a person going to prison are higher for

-- men (11.3%) than for women (1.8%)
-- blacks (18.6%) and Hispanics (10%) than for whites (3.4%)

# More than 6 in 10 persons in local jails in 2002 were racial or ethnic minorities, unchanged from 1996.
# An estimated 40% were black; 19%, Hispanic, 1% American Indian; 1% Asian; and 3% of more than one race/ethnicity.

You just agreed with me, thanks!


OK so now i see you cant understand what your pasting... The facts, in the charts...vs. what was expected... And on the chart it was only

do you know the difference between expectancy and actual inmates?
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/jails.htm
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/jailracetab.htm

[Vteckidd]

OK so now i see you cant understand what your pasting... The facts, in the charts...vs. what was expected... And on the chart it was only

do you know the difference between expectancy and actual inmates?
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/jails.htm
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/jailracetab.htm

i dont think you understand what you are pasting

Blacks were almost three times more likely than Hispanics and five times more likely than whites to be in jail.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/jailrair.gif

Do you understand the term MINORITY?

I guess you are trying to refute the part i said about 2/3 the population being black, well so its not 66% my fault, i was off on that 1 number, but he rest of my facts are correct.

[JITB]

i dont think you understand what you are pasting

Blacks were almost three times more likely than Hispanics and five times more likely than whites to be in jail.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/jailrair.gif

Do you understand the term MINORITY?

I guess you are trying to refute the part i said about 2/3 the population being black, well so its not 66% my fault, i was off on that 1 number, but he rest of my facts are correct.

that chart is incarciration rates...i posted about the population of the jails..from the years has more whites, and has incresed..over the years.. which is what you were babbling about. Population, the incarciration rate is higher for blacks, but the population of the jail is higher for whites..and is increasing quicker.

[Vteckidd]

that chart is incarciration rates...i posted about the population of the jails..from the years has more whites, and has incresed..over the years.. which is what you were babbling about. Population, the incarciration rate is higher for blacks, but the population of the jail is higher for whites..and is increasing quicker.

Ok lets try this again.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE TERM MINORTIY?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE TERM MAJORITY?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT A RATIO IS?

If so, reread my previous posts. if not, then continue posting facts that are BACKING ME UP.

:lmfao:

[JITB]

Ok lets try this again.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE TERM MINORTIY?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE TERM MAJORITY?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT A RATIO IS?

If so, reread my previous posts. if not, then continue posting facts that are BACKING ME UP.

:lmfao:


I SEE what you are saying, but thats now what you SAID! Your talking abotu one thing, im talking about something else..

[Turbo04]

Why not bring the thread back on topic, it wasn't a black vs white that was brought up in the OP. I do have a question for the Obama supporters in the thread, how can you be ok with the FACT that he has shown multiple times that he doesn't believe in the country? Look at the flag pin issue, even if you over look that one, we come upon the not saying the pledge....come on. If the man is aspiring to lead this country, how can he do so without believing in it and participating in it? Even if you don't believe in the "words" of the pledge can't you at least participate to show your respect for the ideals behind the words? I personaly don't care what religon his father was, something about Obama as a person strikes me the wrong way. He has no military service experience, affiliation with a church that no one can deny has had a very racist message being broadcast by its preacher, and a sketchy at best voting record...thats not someone I'd want to lead me and my country. Kidd does make a good point that one of the main factors why he seems to be a strong contender is the fact he is black. His messages he broadcasts aren't new or revolutionary, in reality it's a pot luck of many things ppl before him have said.

[JITB]

what was americas biggest issue in 2000?

[Annihilation]

God Bless America? A country that serves alcohol and produces porn ...... a country that is frowned upon by other countries........

God bless the good people in this country and save the ones on the verge of going to the hell fire is more like it....

[josh green]

Oh and I like the way how you blew off the greater poverty numbers being the cause of blacks having a higher crime rate.
Sounds to me like its a lack of work ethic. Slinging dope is easy and a "get rich quick" deal. No one wants to work for anything, they all want it handed to them. This is one of the reasons that I dislike young people of America.


Also, minorities tend to be targeted more than whites (I droved down tara blvd. one night around 2am and was amazed by the amount of cops that where out).

And wtf does seeing a lot of cops on road at 2am have to do with what race you are??? Its statistically proven that more crime and accidents happens after 1am. I drive around late at night and see a bunch of cops I say "hey, there are a lot of cops out" not "hey im a minority, they must be after me."
A LOT of the cops here are non-caucasian, i dont believe "they"(whichever race) profile. If you get pulled over you have done something wrong or have faulty equipment. Judging by what people drive on IA I could see them getting pulled over often.


I absolutely love this guy. It is 100% correct where I live.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rN2VqFPNS8w

[josh green]

Why not bring the thread back on topic, it wasn't a black vs white that was brought up in the OP. I do have a question for the Obama supporters in the thread, how can you be ok with the FACT that he has shown multiple times that he doesn't believe in the country? Look at the flag pin issue, even if you over look that one, we come upon the not saying the pledge....come on. If the man is aspiring to lead this country, how can he do so without believing in it and participating in it? Even if you don't believe in the "words" of the pledge can't you at least participate to show your respect for the ideals behind the words? I personaly don't care what religon his father was, something about Obama as a person strikes me the wrong way. He has no military service experience, affiliation with a church that no one can deny has had a very racist message being broadcast by its preacher, and a sketchy at best voting record...thats not someone I'd want to lead me and my country. Kidd does make a good point that one of the main factors why he seems to be a strong contender is the fact he is black. His messages he broadcasts aren't new or revolutionary, in reality it's a pot luck of many things ppl before him have said.

I couldnt agree with you more. +1

[jew_boy]

damn you all still arguing about this lol

[SPOOLIN]

holy hell.

Mr. KIDD, I F*UCKING LOVE YOU.

Just like others have said and what I have said. He can't wear a pin rather say that he'll show his patriotism some other way, ok, yeah. Then he won't say the pledge or put his hand over his heart while doing it. All that SIMPLE, BASIC, EVERYDAY duty not able to be displayed by a presidential candidate for this country was a huge tipping point for me and the other smart, non liberal, not dumb young American's like myself. How do you choose a person like that? Young people now a days have shlt handed to them on a plate...and its those same people who want inexperienced people like obama in office. I work in schools almost everyday, and whenever i'm in a classroom working and the students stand up to say the pledge, i get right up with them and say it. Is it that hard to pledge to your country, I do it rather well and I would probably never hold any office.

through all of this i've still been waiting on some real info bashing McCain, not some media trick on him caught on tape.

[Vteckidd]

Why not bring the thread back on topic, it wasn't a black vs white that was brought up in the OP. I do have a question for the Obama supporters in the thread, how can you be ok with the FACT that he has shown multiple times that he doesn't believe in the country? Look at the flag pin issue, even if you over look that one, we come upon the not saying the pledge....come on. If the man is aspiring to lead this country, how can he do so without believing in it and participating in it? Even if you don't believe in the "words" of the pledge can't you at least participate to show your respect for the ideals behind the words? I personaly don't care what religon his father was, something about Obama as a person strikes me the wrong way. He has no military service experience, affiliation with a church that no one can deny has had a very racist message being broadcast by its preacher, and a sketchy at best voting record...thats not someone I'd want to lead me and my country. Kidd does make a good point that one of the main factors why he seems to be a strong contender is the fact he is black. His messages he broadcasts aren't new or revolutionary, in reality it's a pot luck of many things ppl before him have said.

+1

[tony]

For those defending Barack and taking a stand on this whole black vs. white thing.. you're wasting your time. People don't come to threads like this with objectivity, even those who come to ask why certain things are the way they are.. they're not looking for understanding but rather a reason to shoot down your ideals.

I've spent countless hours going back and forth on subjects like this one but after a while you realize the knowledge is falling upon dead ears. So honestly, who cares? Let them believe what they believe..

I do find it funny that those who are not black know so much about the black experience.. that those who probably do not know the basics of politics or the ideals that this country was founded on have such strong opinions of the process. It is what it is, ignorance is bliss and without an open and objective mind I'm sure many of you will still have the same amount of knowledge 20 years from now that you have today.

By the way, I'd love to see an argument against Obama that is original and has not been heard on Fox News or talk radio.

[MistaCee]

For those defending Barack and taking a stand on this whole black vs. white thing.. you're wasting your time. People don't come to threads like this with objectivity, even those who come to ask why certain things are the way they are.. they're not looking for understanding but rather a reason to shoot down your ideals.

I've spent countless hours going back and forth on subjects like this one but after a while you realize the knowledge is falling upon dead ears. So honestly, who cares? Let them believe what they believe..

I do find it funny that those who are not black know so much about the black experience.. that those who probably do not know the basics of politics or the ideals that this country was founded on have such strong opinions of the process. It is what it is, ignorance is bliss and without an open and objective mind I'm sure many of you will still have the same amount of knowledge 20 years from now that you have today.

By the way, I'd love to see an argument against Obama that is original and has not been heard on Fox News or talk radio.

Exactly why I quit trying last night. Let them believe what they want.

[Vteckidd]

Id love to see a Obama supporter actually say why he would be good for this country.

Tony, with all due respect

Do you think OBamas 20 year relationship to Rev. Wright ok? Does that bother you?

What does Obama have that qualifies him to run this country?

What does Obamas POLICY of HOPE AND CHANGE mean? Tell me what he plans to do differently.

Who is OBAMA, where is his POWER from? Please if you think its from somewhere else, ENLIGHTEN ME.

We know Mccain has been a senator and in the military. He has a long track record.

HIllary well , she was the first lady.

WHO IS OBAMA.

[Vteckidd]

For those defending Barack and taking a stand on this whole black vs. white thing.. you're wasting your time. People don't come to threads like this with objectivity, even those who come to ask why certain things are the way they are.. they're not looking for understanding but rather a reason to shoot down your ideals.

I've spent countless hours going back and forth on subjects like this one but after a while you realize the knowledge is falling upon dead ears. So honestly, who cares? Let them believe what they believe..

I do find it funny that those who are not black know so much about the black experience.. that those who probably do not know the basics of politics or the ideals that this country was founded on have such strong opinions of the process. It is what it is, ignorance is bliss and without an open and objective mind I'm sure many of you will still have the same amount of knowledge 20 years from now that you have today.

By the way, I'd love to see an argument against Obama that is original and has not been heard on Fox News or talk radio.

I havent made anything up, ive quoted DOJ stats, and ive stated the obvious.

To me Obama is a poor candidate and the only reason why he is even here is because he is black, the media loves him, and my generation is too ignorant to see past his charisma.

Im republican, but i dont even like Mccain that much. SO its not like its one sided.

Truth be told i dont really like anyone running right now, but Obama should have been gone LONG AGO.

[tony]

I havent made anything up, ive quoted DOJ stats, and ive stated the obvious.

To me Obama is a poor candidate and the only reason why he is even here is because he is black, the media loves him, and my generation is too ignorant to see past his charisma.

Im republican, but i dont even like Mccain that much. SO its not like its one sided.

Truth be told i dont really like anyone running right now, but Obama should have been gone LONG AGO.

At this point all I'm asking is objectivity. Forget about issues that have nothing to do with the presidency and lets start talking Policy.. if you disagree with that then fine but 70% of those who criticize Barack do not take the initiative to know where he stands on the issues.

But talking about his church, a lapel pin.. his name??? C'mon now, if that is the criteria for presidents then why even care about the economy? Cause hell... it doesn't matter what solutions a candidate has for us if he doesn't wear a lapel pin.

Obama's relationship with his pastor.. again the 'black experience.' You wont find a black church that has not said something along the lines of what Rev. Wright has stated. Furthermore I've heard many criticize Wright but I have not heard 1 person call him a liar, read the transcripts and you'll find he's not this great monster people make him out to be.

It doesn't bother me, I am passionate about music. Tupac, Kanye West, whoever.. I listened to them constantly but that doesn't mean I took on their ideals. Same with church, if I am at church I am there for spiritual uplifting and I am passionate about that, but I am not there to gain experience on how to manage my day job.

Obama has a full website on who he is (www.barackobama.com) Take the initiative as I stated before and stop arguing. If you disagree with him, good.. but at least take the time to learn about the man and his positions. I refuse to post up information any more just to see another 'I hate Obama' thread pop up next week with the same talking points.

I have posted Bills he has sponsored in the senate, his past and I continue to get this question of what he's about. Learn and you can answer your own question, when you refuse to be enlightened then there will always be a question mark.

[man]

At this point all I'm asking is objectivity. Forget about issues that have nothing to do with the presidency and lets start talking Policy.. if you disagree with that then fine but 70% of those who criticize Barack do not take the initiative to know where he stands on the issues.

The day I truly started looking at Obama objectively is the same day he lost my support. I truly feel that he is a bandwagon candidate. A majority of the people voting for him are just following the crowd (especially the student voters).

In the end, people will vote for the candidate that best benefits them (directly or indirectly), holding no regard for what is best for the country.

[SPOOLIN]

Obama's relationship with his pastor.. again the 'black experience.' You wont find a black church that has not said something along the lines of what Rev. Wright has stated. Furthermore I've heard many criticize Wright but I have not heard 1 person call him a liar, read the transcripts and you'll find he's not this great monster people make him out to be.

I would advise any future presidential candidate to not have anything to do with such a church known as a black church that inevitably down talks white people...HELLO?? Moron alert #567 right there.

i can't even believe that today i'm seriously hoping we have a WOMAN DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION!

[yungdz]

LOL, i love this ****. I don't hate anyone and i am not affraid of muslims. Lots of people ignore signs that are right in front of them. Everything you guys are saying about what i say is how i feel about what you are actually saying. Its a stupid cycle and i also said i don't believe in that stuff, i just quoted information.

did you ask barrack if he was or was not a muslim? Of course he will say NO every way he can.

Having a Christian president is probably more preferable since that is what this country was founded on and it has seemed to work perfectly fine for the last 233 or so years.

Its like people that want to take god out of the pledge of allegiance, just because they don't believe or have nothing to do with Christianity. Thats what this land was founded on, don't like it, GTFO.

I don't watch political talk shows, no thanks.

I don't go to church and i'm not highly religious in anyway, but i do believe that when it comes to something as big as our country, DON'T fix what ISN'T broken.

I hope with all of your defensiveness that you actually go and cast your vote.


McCAIN is no SAINT in my eyes, HE'S THE ONLY LOGICAL CHOICE THAT THERE IS!


I normally never argue about anything political, but i can probably guess that hardly anybody else has either until this campaign, there will probably be record voting this time around.

McCain for President woo-hoo! :cheers:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3gwqEneBKUs

:cry:

SIKE!

[tony]

I would advise any future presidential candidate to not have anything to do with such a church known as a black church that inevitably down talks white people...HELLO?? Moron alert #567 right there.

i can't even believe that today i'm seriously hoping we have a WOMAN DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION!

Right, cause black churches are evil. :rolleyes: As I said earlier its amazing that those who lack experience within the black community have such strong opinions.. I think I'll deem myself an expert on space travel from now on since perception trumps experience.

2 Presidents have dealt with opposition due to their religion and that hardly prevented them from becoming effective leaders. Eisenhower (Jehovah's Witness) and John F. Kennedy (Catholic)

If you want a candidate with substance start evaluating them with substance, not issues manufactured to invoke fear in the feeble minded.


The day I truly started looking at Obama objectively is the same day he lost my support. I truly feel that he is a bandwagon candidate. A majority of the people voting for him are just following the crowd (especially the student voters).

In the end, people will vote for the candidate that best benefits them (directly or indirectly), holding no regard for what is best for the country.

So you came to your conclusion based on the actions of others and not his positions? I have to question the bandwagon thing seeing as how he was vocal in opposing the war when it was unpopular to do so. Unlike his competitor he does not read polls and adjust to appease the masses so again, what exactly in his policy makes him a bandwagon candidate?

[Blitanicle99]

This is a amazing thread to read. It shows who is atleast somewhat educated and who just believes what society believes (AKA the Obama followers).

Mr Kidd. AWESOME. Love to read what your writing.

Spoolin. Took the words out of my mouth.


F*** OBAMA.

[x Resilience]

WAIT A F***ING MINUTE THERE BUDDY.

Theres a huge difference. In the jewish faith, does it tell the jewish community to kill anyone non jewish? NO. In any black holiday or religious term (not that blacks are a religious group) does it say to kill anyone that is not black? NO.

And what does it say in the Koran? KILL ANYONE NON MUSLIM.

I HAVE A BIGGGG PROBLEM WITH THAT **** RIGHT THERE.

Thats where the difference is buddy.


I think you got it all ****ed up. You think all muslims want to kill everyone that is non-muslim? No STFU, killing someone is a sin no matter what religion it is.

You guys see a terrorist on TV that killed someone and jump to a conclusion that are muslims are like that. STFU already, terrorist are low life brain washed mother****ers who have nothing better to do, were not all like that.

[Total_Blender]

If Obama supporters have to answer for Rev. Wright, what do you Republicans have to say about the late Jerry Fallwell (rest in hell), Pat Robertson, and Billy Graham and their relationships with various congressmen and presidents? :crazy:

[josh green]

Right, cause black churches are evil. :rolleyes: As I said earlier its amazing that those who lack experience within the black community have such strong opinions.. I think I'll deem myself an expert on space travel from now on since perception trumps experience.
I guess white people will never have experiance in the "black community" b/c we're not black (and apparently not well excepted). I guess associating with them isnt being part of the black community... You seem to be implying that we have said that all black churches are evil... I believe it was YOUR side of the argument that stated this and that they all said things of that nature. We were speaking of HIS church, not every other black church. I will strongly disagree that its HARDER for a black man in society to survive and to be successful at life. They are given every opportunity to education that anyone else is and even have organizations to help with college tuitions JUST FOR BEING BLACK, same for latinos, etc I have yet to see one for white people.... Its all about choices, some choose the wrong ones. The statement that all black churches have said things of that nature sounds to me that the black people are the reason behind white/black racism being an issue or to its magnitude still today. I have never heard a of a church (that is predominantly white) say anything negative about other races. I have never heard of a white only church. The fact that his church would not allow white people to be members is complete bull Sh*t. No church I have ever been to cared what color you were, they were just glad to see you there.

[SPOOLIN]

If Obama supporters have to answer for Rev. Wright, what do you Republicans have to say about the late Jerry Fallwell (rest in hell), Pat Robertson, and Billy Graham and their relationships with various congressmen and presidents? :crazy:

did any of those guys ever make racial hate type speeches, just wondering?

[One_Bad_SHO]

I think having a "black church" or a "Miss black america" or a "black entertainment television" is discriminating. Same goes for a "white church" or a "Miss Jewish America" or an "asian entertainment television"

Gotta keep the white house white!





... but seriously.... Will the REAL barack obama please stand up, please stand up, please stand up

[Total_Blender]

did any of those guys ever make racial hate type speeches, just wondering?

Yeah on Sept 13 2001, Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson tried to blame Sept 11 on gays, feminists, atheists and the ACLU. No, Seriously...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-CAcdta_8I

And Pat Robertson was founder and president of the Christian Coalition, one of the most influential PAC's in Washington.

And you don't hear white people mention "an all white church" because they don't have to, its just an unwritten rule. Almost every country baptist church I've been to has been 100% white. My family and I (who are white) did attend a black church several times and were welcomed graciously.

And about BET... a lot of white people I know love to watch BET. I didn't know they weren't allowed to:screwy:

[tony]

II will strongly disagree that its HARDER for a black man in society to survive and to be successful at life. They are given every opportunity to education that anyone else is and even have organizations to help with college tuitions JUST FOR BEING BLACK, same for latinos, etc I have yet to see one for white people.... Its all about choices, some choose the wrong ones.


What kind of education do you have?

*edit* Forget it, with that paragraph you've proven you wouldn't comprehend my response anyway.. keep that line of thinking.

[SPOOLIN]

What kind of education do you have?

*edit* Forget it, with that paragraph you've proven you wouldn't comprehend my response anyway.. keep that line of thinking.

i think thats a pretty educated comment, its pretty reasonable vs. what people have been blabbering in here.

.............as far as jerry falwell and pat robertson's accusations, i think that is actually quite funny. Those apperently arent racial comments, they were just accusing unorthodox types of people in general.

[x Resilience]

I will strongly disagree that its HARDER for a black man in society to survive and to be successful at life. They are given every opportunity to education that anyone else is and even have organizations to help with college tuitions JUST FOR BEING BLACK, same for latinos, etc I have yet to see one for white people.... Its all about choices, some choose the wrong ones.


That is total BS, I'm not black but I think its way HARDER for a black man in society to survive and be seccessful at life. Lets say there is a job opening at a big corp. and a black man and a white man both apply for the job, both have the same amount of education and presented them self really well to the employer, who do you think will get hired? The white man, and I'm not trying to be racist or anything but its the truth.

[Spektrewing386]

Update:
Its pretty much a done deal that Obama is nominee.

so get used to it.

[josh green]

That is total BS, I'm not black but I think its way HARDER for a black man in society to survive and be seccessful at life. Lets say there is a job opening at a big corp. and a black man and a white man both apply for the job, both have the same amount of education and presented them self really well to the employer, who do you think will get hired? The white man, and I'm not trying to be racist or anything but its the truth.
And this isnt an example of close mindedness? The way you worded your statement you also assumed that the one doing the hiring was a white man. What if the person that actually hired the person was, mexican, Indian, Korean, or of German descent, etc?...... Were you raised to think that you are at a disadvantage b/c of your color?

An unwritten rule, ha, maybe thats your own close mindedness making "uneducated" perceptions?

[One_Bad_SHO]

And this isnt an example of close mindedness? The way you worded your statement you also assumed that the one doing the hiring was a white man. What if the person that actually hired the person was, mexican, Indian, Korean, or of German descent, etc?...... Were you raised to think that you are at a disadvantage b/c of your color?

An unwritten rule, ha, maybe thats your own close mindedness making "uneducated" perceptions?

werd

[tony]

i think thats a pretty educated comment, its pretty reasonable vs. what people have been blabbering in here.



Its an assumption backed up with nothing of substance or merit..

[josh green]

Its an assumption backed up with nothing of substance or merit..
You cannot prove to me that black men have it harder than anyone else. You were raised in school given all the opportunities that anyone else is given. It doesnt matter where you are from, or how wealthy of a family someone has. You could have been given everything and turn out to be a worthless piece of crap and have nothing, same goes for living in a rough place and having the drive to get educated to get a good job and live a better life than you are now. Its all about choices.

[tony]

You cannot prove to me that black men have it harder than anyone else.

I dont have to prove, I live it. I don't claim to have it harder than others but please do not assume for a second that my journey had nothing to do with the color of my skin.

[josh green]

I dont have to prove, I live it. I don't claim to have it harder than others but please do not assume for a second that my journey had nothing to do with the color of my skin.
Then the generalization that everyone is trying to make it harder for you is bull. Thats not to say you havent met some ****ty people that have made things harder for you. But generalizing that its hard for a black man is just ludacris.

I'm done, I think there is nothing left of this horse.

[osnap]

This thread is disgusting, and absolutely dripping with ignorance and bigotry. I cant wait til I cast my vote for Obama so that, come his induction, I can see the ignorant smirks wiped off of some of your faces.

[One_Bad_SHO]

M.C.CAIN
John McCain
He's Indiana Jones meets GI Jane
M.C. Cain
Yes we cain
A natural born leader like Sadam Hussein

M.C. Cain in the house! (I'm a Senator!)
M.C. Cain and he's here to represent
He's got well trained in the house (representatives!)
Bout to keep it white in the white house!

I'm 71,
And im pure white chocolate
Dropped vietnam bombs right from my cockpit
Got caught up -was a prisoner of war
Now thats an inconveniance,


......................and im too tired for the rest

[MistaCee]

That is total BS, I'm not black but I think its way HARDER for a black man in society to survive and be seccessful at life. Lets say there is a job opening at a big corp. and a black man and a white man both apply for the job, both have the same amount of education and presented them self really well to the employer, who do you think will get hired? The white man, and I'm not trying to be racist or anything but its the truth.

Respect man. He's not black, yet he can see the discrimination and disadvantages that we as black people (and the whites that also fight for us) go through.

[BB6dohcvtec]

That is total BS, I'm not black but I think its way HARDER for a black man in society to survive and be seccessful at life. Lets say there is a job opening at a big corp. and a black man and a white man both apply for the job, both have the same amount of education and presented them self really well to the employer, who do you think will get hired? The white man, and I'm not trying to be racist or anything but its the truth.

I actually think they would both get hired (affirmative action). One of my friends once asked would you feel degraded if you were a affirmative action hire? My answer hell no because they are still paying me, I will take full advantage of the advantages offered to me in life.

[The Yousef]

For those defending Barack and taking a stand on this whole black vs. white thing.. you're wasting your time. People don't come to threads like this with objectivity, even those who come to ask why certain things are the way they are.. they're not looking for understanding but rather a reason to shoot down your ideals.

I've spent countless hours going back and forth on subjects like this one but after a while you realize the knowledge is falling upon dead ears. So honestly, who cares? Let them believe what they believe..

I do find it funny that those who are not black know so much about the black experience.. that those who probably do not know the basics of politics or the ideals that this country was founded on have such strong opinions of the process. It is what it is, ignorance is bliss and without an open and objective mind I'm sure many of you will still have the same amount of knowledge 20 years from now that you have today.

By the way, I'd love to see an argument against Obama that is original and has not been heard on Fox News or talk radio.

indeed.

that's why i stop trying. if you are ignorant you are going to stay ignorant. what a sad way to live life... :(

[AirMax95]

Absolutely.

Jesse Jackson an his RAINBOW Coalition

Sharpton

Now Obama.

Most of them got to power by building upon racist talk and instilling fear in their constiuents

Look at the most RACIST organizations in the country. NAACP?

Come on wake up.

Close minded? Me? no im just educated.

Mccain vs Obama recent polls show mccain up+3.

Hmmm......How is Obama using RACE to instill fear?

Actually let me start here: I don't support all of what Jesse and Al do or say, but you have to remember where they came from!

They do not drop the racist ball SIMPLY because there is a WHITE RACIST waiting to pick it up. Blacks (or, African Americans) went through alot of **** sir, and you know what, that "****" is still in society today. The difference is that it now trickles to the work place (ALOT) when it comes to raises/promotions, and other social issues. Its disguised! The second Al or Jesse leaves the small issues alone, the RACIST population will emerge worse than ever! Sharpton instills the FEAR in those who are RACIST to remind them that they will not get away with it. I commend them for their acts, w/o them, America could sure start to revert back the "old times"

The NAACP is not racist......I am a member, and the purpose is a follows:

The primary purpose of the NAACP is to ensure political, educational, social, and economic equality for minority groups in the United States. The NAACP presently ensures equality for all minorities and holds beneficial programs such as career fairs to aid the groups in finding work. Other programs such as Financial Empowerment Initiative, Armed Services and Veteran’s Affairs, Health, Labor, Religious Affairs, and Voter Empowerment also contribute in aiding the minority groups.

Why is it needed, you may ask. It is to ensure the MAJORITY in this country do not SCREW ANY FURTHER the minorities in AMERICA.

What else....hmmmm.....

Give Obama his credit, he got where is for being who he is. He cares about the people, not his own face in the history books. He is educated enough to get the nomination from his state, his party, and ultimately the respect of the new and old generation.

BTW, that Hiliary chick brought up the RACISM, lol. Obama merely stated the need for a more unified country, being that it is so diverse.

[AirMax95]

Also!!!! Could you please stop using Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton for your basis of arguement.
There is PLENTY of other LEADERSHIP in America, they are BLACK, and they are for ALL PEOPLE.

Michael Eric Dyson
Dr. Cornel West
Jeff "Cousin Jeff" Johnson
Warren Ballentin

Google the above names, update your education. Al and Jesse did what they had to for there ERA overall. They were FORCED to stand up for the CIVIL rights of AMERICA.

Of that group, Dr. Cornel West is the only one who was around for the King, Jackson, Sharpton times that changed with the times.

Get over it.......MANY, not all, people are RACIST.......PEOPLE!!!!!! **** a color, PEOPLE ARE RACIST......

I love AMERICA and I have faith in Obama to stand by his word and help shape this UBER DIVERSE country into a POSITIVE world leader again.

[Vteckidd]

This thread is disgusting, and absolutely dripping with ignorance and bigotry. I cant wait til I cast my vote for Obama so that, come his induction, I can see the ignorant smirks wiped off of some of your faces.
Al this thread proves is how ignorant the american voters are. PERIOD.

Vote for Obama, and if he wins, GOD HELP US ALL.

I mean this just shows how we are all a bunch of SHEEP. A bunch of non thinkers who want everything handed to us.

Lets give universal health care! but i have no idea how to pay for it

Lets end the war in iraq! but i dont know how to do it.

Lets use dilomacy! But i want to sit down with Terrorists and negotiate!

Lets give jobs to the people! Wait, isnt unemployment at an all time LOW RIGHT now?

Lets give the sick children medical coverage! Wait , we already do that.

All Obama preaches is sh it the public wants to hear, but is UNEDUCATED ON! So he garners support from people that dont know ANYTHING ABOUT THE ISSUES.

The ignorance in this thread is appalling, but then again i expected it.

[Vteckidd]

They do not drop the racist ball SIMPLY because there is a WHITE RACIST waiting to pick it up. Blacks (or, African Americans) went through alot of **** sir, and you know what, that "****" is still in society today. The difference is that it now trickles to the work place (ALOT) when it comes to raises/promotions, and other social issues. Its disguised! The second Al or Jesse leaves the small issues alone, the RACIST population will emerge worse than ever! Sharpton instills the FEAR in those who are RACIST to remind them that they will not get away with it. I commend them for their acts, w/o them, America could sure start to revert back the "old times"

Why is it needed, you may ask. It is to ensure the MAJORITY in this country do not SCREW ANY FURTHER the minorities in AMERICA.



Spoken like a person who wants a handout

GImme a break, slavery was over 100 years ago. This is the problem with society.

NAACP is the most RACIST organization in the country PERIOD. I dont have to site the numerous reasons why.

I want to go on an on about how stupid , idiotic and ignorant you are. You and the rest of "black america" with your feelings need to wake up, stop blaming the white man, and take control for yourself.

[unkn0wndj]

Spoken like a person who wants a handout

GImme a break, slavery was over 100 years ago. This is the problem with society.

NAACP is the most RACIST organization in the country PERIOD. I dont have to site the numerous reasons why.

I want to go on an on about how stupid , idiotic and ignorant you are. You and the rest of "black america" with your feelings need to wake up, stop blaming the white man, and take control for yourself.

Enough said. I'm with Mr. Kidd in this thread.

[AirMax95]

Al this thread proves is how ignorant the american voters are. PERIOD.

Vote for Obama, and if he wins, GOD HELP US ALL.

I mean this just shows how we are all a bunch of SHEEP. A bunch of non thinkers who want everything handed to us.

Lets give universal health care! but i have no idea how to pay for it

Lets end the war in iraq! but i dont know how to do it.

Lets use dilomacy! But i want to sit down with Terrorists and negotiate!

Lets give jobs to the people! Wait, isnt unemployment at an all time LOW RIGHT now?

Lets give the sick children medical coverage! Wait , we already do that.

All Obama preaches is sh it the public wants to hear, but is UNEDUCATED ON! So he garners support from people that dont know ANYTHING ABOUT THE ISSUES.

The ignorance in this thread is appalling, but then again i expected it.

You are entitled to your opinion......

Think BIGGER than plain sight. Obama is addressing the issues that are fueling the American people

Health Care = money spent on the damn war.........
Economic Death = money spent on the damn war......
Diplomacy = look at the damn war.......
The damn war = look at the damn war........

Now, before I get bashed, I DO NOT SUPPORT THE WAR. I SUPPORT THE WARRIORS OF OUR GREAT COUNTRY THAT ARE DOING THEIR JOB.

[Vteckidd]

You are entitled to your opinion......

Think BIGGER than plain sight. Obama is addressing the issues that are fueling the American people

Health Care = money spent on the damn war.........
Economic Death = money spent on the damn war......
Diplomacy = look at the damn war.......
The damn war = look at the damn war........

Now, before I get bashed, I DO NOT SUPPORT THE WAR. I SUPPORT THE WARRIORS OF OUR GREAT COUNTRY THAT ARE DOING THEIR JOB.


WOW, and this is the reason why america is going down the drain. Our UNEDUCATED youth who blames everything on everyone else.

Its the wars fault we dont have universal health care? well what happened when Clinton was in office?

Its the wars fault the dollar is down? No its because of 9/11 and because the economy my friend is an up an down system. Peaks and Valleys.

Diplomacy ? so we should sit down an talk to Saddam, oh wait we tried that for 12 YEARS! We should sit down with Iran , even though they say America and ISrael deserve to die a nuclear death, we shouild still sit down and talk it over with them and try to reach a compromise. GIMME A FU CKIN BREAK.

The war, yeah it sucks, we underestimated the task, but pulling out NOW would be the WORST THING TO DO. All our soldiers would have died in vein. We are making great progress in Iraq, the media just doesnt want to talk about it.

[AirMax95]

Spoken like a person who wants a handout

GImme a break, slavery was over 100 years ago. This is the problem with society.

NAACP is the most RACIST organization in the country PERIOD. I dont have to site the numerous reasons why.

I want to go on an on about how stupid , idiotic and ignorant you are. You and the rest of "black america" with your feelings need to wake up, stop blaming the white man, and take control for yourself.

I shall assure you sir:
1) I do not want a handout
2) I do not expect a handout

Now sir, you seem to not be able to have a discussion without calling names. It seems that you have a few personal issues that you need to settle with yourself.

BUT, because I have nothing better to do, I will entertain you further.

No one is blaming the "WHITE MAN" for anything. I posted based on the fact that there are still issues that arise where SOME people, who have the RACIST MINDSET of the PEOPLE 100 years ago, that could give 2 cents about civil rights.

I am proud to be me, proud to know my history, proud to be American. I gained my education, took care of business, and seem to be a good citizen.

Funny though.......you call ALL black people idiotic and ignorant.....and stupid....

Damn Mike, I didn't know :thinking:

[Spektrewing386]

Diplomacy ? so we should sit down an talk to Saddam, oh wait we tried that for 12 YEARS!


And still they invaded us!


Oh, wait... we invaded them.

[AirMax95]

WOW, and this is the reason why america is going down the drain. Our UNEDUCATED youth who blames everything on everyone else.

Its the wars fault we dont have universal health care? well what happened when Clinton was in office?

Its the wars fault the dollar is down? No its because of 9/11 and because the economy my friend is an up an down system. Peaks and Valleys.

Diplomacy ? so we should sit down an talk to Saddam, oh wait we tried that for 12 YEARS! We should sit down with Iran , even though they say America and ISrael deserve to die a nuclear death, we shouild still sit down and talk it over with them and try to reach a compromise. GIMME A FU CKIN BREAK.

The war, yeah it sucks, we underestimated the task, but pulling out NOW would be the WORST THING TO DO. All our soldiers would have died in vein. We are making great progress in Iraq, the media just doesnt want to talk about it.


uneducated = not

WTF? Where am I blaming someone? The war is not a person.

I did not quote universal health care......Health care in general could have benefited from some of those funds.

The failing economy could have benefited from the senseless war funding. I understand Economics very well. I did not say that the war was the ULTIMATE REASON, but it does play a significant part.

Diplomacy....dude the past 12 years were the spent with many of the US leaders attempting to bully people! IF you and I had an argument about a topic, that you felt I was wrong about something, and you come to me disrespectfully, do you think I will cooperate? NO!

I do not agree that pulling out of the war immediately is the answer, fighting it further isnt either. I agree that it seems no one has the answer, not even Obama!


Again sir, do not assume that because I do not agree with your views and opinions, that I am an idiot, ignorant, stupid, nor uneducated.

[JITB]

Spoken like a person who wants a handout

GImme a break, slavery was over 100 years ago. This is the problem with society.

NAACP is the most RACIST organization in the country PERIOD. I dont have to site the numerous reasons why.

I want to go on an on about how stupid , idiotic and ignorant you are. You and the rest of "black america" with your feelings need to wake up, stop blaming the white man, and take control for yourself.


Whats so racist about a group of people deciding, if we arent gonna be treated fair because we are black. Than we will take care of ourselves...

You say black people want handouts all the time..BUT at the same time you talk so much **** about the things that were created because blacks werent being treated fair.

NAACP
The NAACP was formed in response to the 1908 race riot in Springfield, capital of Illinois and birthplace of President Abraham Lincoln. Appalled at the violence that was committed against blacks, a group of white liberals that included Mary White Ovington and Oswald Garrison Villard, both the descendants of abolitionists, issued a call for a meeting to discuss racial justice. Some 60 people, only 7 of whom were African American (including W. E. B. Du Bois, Ida B. Wells-Barnett, and Mary Church Terrell), signed the call, which was released on the centennial of Lincoln's birth. Echoing the focus of Du Bois's militant all-black Niagara Movement, the NAACP's stated goal was to secure for all people the rights guaranteed in the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments to the United States Constitution, which promised an end to slavery, the equal protection of the law, and universal adult male suffrage, respectively.

UNCF

UNCF was founded 64 years ago on April 25, 1944, by Dr. Frederick Patterson, president of Tuskegee Institute (now Tuskegee University), Mary McLeod Bethune, president of Bethune-Cookman College (now Bethune-Cookman University), and others. The organization was founded with 27 member schools.
UNCF was founded to address inequities in the educational opportunities afforded to African Americans. UNCF believes in higher education opportunities for all Americans. UNCF-member schools do not discriminate and UNCF-administered scholarships are open to all.

HBCU's
Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) find their origins in the time when African American students were systematically denied access to most other colleges and universities. Students at HBCUs have a unique opportunity to experience an educational community in which they are a part of the majority.

[Spektrewing386]

so when are we going to get back the the topic?

[AirMax95]

Whats so racist about a group of people deciding, if we arent gonna be treated fair because we are black. Than we will take care of ourselves...

You say black people want handouts all the time..BUT at the same time you talk so much **** about the things that were created because blacks werent being treated fair.

NAACP
The NAACP was formed in response to the 1908 race riot in Springfield, capital of Illinois and birthplace of President Abraham Lincoln. Appalled at the violence that was committed against blacks, a group of white liberals that included Mary White Ovington and Oswald Garrison Villard, both the descendants of abolitionists, issued a call for a meeting to discuss racial justice. Some 60 people, only 7 of whom were African American (including W. E. B. Du Bois, Ida B. Wells-Barnett, and Mary Church Terrell), signed the call, which was released on the centennial of Lincoln's birth. Echoing the focus of Du Bois's militant all-black Niagara Movement, the NAACP's stated goal was to secure for all people the rights guaranteed in the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments to the United States Constitution, which promised an end to slavery, the equal protection of the law, and universal adult male suffrage, respectively.

UNCF

UNCF was founded 64 years ago on April 25, 1944, by Dr. Frederick Patterson, president of Tuskegee Institute (now Tuskegee University), Mary McLeod Bethune, president of Bethune-Cookman College (now Bethune-Cookman University), and others. The organization was founded with 27 member schools.
UNCF was founded to address inequities in the educational opportunities afforded to African Americans. UNCF believes in higher education opportunities for all Americans. UNCF-member schools do not discriminate and UNCF-administered scholarships are open to all.

HBCU's
Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) find their origins in the time when African American students were systematically denied access to most other colleges and universities. Students at HBCUs have a unique opportunity to experience an educational community in which they are a part of the majority.


Repped...... :yes:

[jfman]

The REAL Barack Obama. The one the media NEVER shows!

http://www.theurbangrind.net/?p=2570


Maybe you should watch the news a little more. All of this stuff have been covered and covered and covered and covered by all of the news channels. CNN, FOX and the likes. There's nothing on there I havent seen in the news.

[JITB]

so when are we going to get back the the topic?

NOW!

[MistaCee]

Also!!!! Could you please stop using Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton for your basis of arguement.
There is PLENTY of other LEADERSHIP in America, they are BLACK, and they are for ALL PEOPLE.

Michael Eric Dyson
Dr. Cornel West
Jeff "Cousin Jeff" Johnson
Warren Ballentin

Google the above names, update your education. Al and Jesse did what they had to for there ERA overall. They were FORCED to stand up for the CIVIL rights of AMERICA.

Of that group, Dr. Cornel West is the only one who was around for the King, Jackson, Sharpton times that changed with the times.

Get over it.......MANY, not all, people are RACIST.......PEOPLE!!!!!! **** a color, PEOPLE ARE RACIST......

I love AMERICA and I have faith in Obama to stand by his word and help shape this UBER DIVERSE country into a POSITIVE world leader again.

Amen. Don't think Mr. Kidd and his followers are going to acknowledge that.

[PURP]

Ultimately OUR votes don't mean sh*t... the office will elect whoever they want in as President no matter what the race, religion, or gender.... If they want Obama in office then he's got it. If the want Hilary well she's got it.. the same for whoever gets it... The government gets last decision so don't worry about it. Cause who ever they want in the leaders chair will get it. Oh, and quit worrying about something you can't control.

[SPOOLIN]

Ultimately OUR votes don't mean sh*t... the office will elect whoever they want in as President no matter what the race, religion, or gender.... If they want Obama in office then he's got it. If the want Hilary well she's got it.. the same for whoever gets it... The government gets last decision so don't worry about it. Cause who ever they want in the leaders chair will get it. Oh, and quit worrying about something you can't control.

What the hell? Did you not study basic government in high school, were you not taught how the voting system works and how the Electoral College works? The voting system is Controlled by Citizens also.

[Total_Blender]

Those of you who are saying that black people should "get over slavery", I wonder if any of you have had to deal with lynchings, police brutality, segregation, jim crow laws, etc. Its true that most of that stuff is in the past but even so those wounds are not yet healed.

And many black people do not have the same opportunities as white people. There are many poorly funded inner city schools out there so its hard for the children who DO choose the right path because the schools can only do so much for them.

Remember that slaves were not allowed to read or write and most only knew simple mathemetics. Pre-slavery African culture was also an oral culture, meaning not much emphasis was placed on written agreements. So the free'd slaves did not at first posess the command of the English language that their former masters had. There were more immediate concerns than education, such as ownership of property, finding sustainable income etc. And when blacks were able to begin a culture of education the had to deal with the seperate but (not) equal system of segregation. Its only within the last 2 generations that schools were intergrated, and even now they are pretty much only integrated on paper.

[Vteckidd]

Those of you who are saying that black people should "get over slavery", I wonder if any of you have had to deal with lynchings, police brutality, segregation, jim crow laws, etc. Its true that most of that stuff is in the past but even so those wounds are not yet healed.

And many black people do not have the same opportunities as white people. There are many poorly funded inner city schools out there so its hard for the children who DO choose the right path because the schools can only do so much for them.

Remember that slaves were not allowed to read or write and most only knew simple mathemetics. Pre-slavery African culture was also an oral culture, meaning not much emphasis was placed on written agreements. So the free'd slaves did not at first posess the command of the English language that their former masters had. There were more immediate concerns than education, such as ownership of property, finding sustainable income etc. And when blacks were able to begin a culture of education the had to deal with the seperate but (not) equal system of segregation. Its only within the last 2 generations that schools were intergrated, and even now they are pretty much only integrated on paper.

Not in our lifetimes sorry pal.

Blacks are just as equal as whites, if not they have BETTER opportunities because of RACIST organizations like the NAACP, Affirmative Action, Equal Employment Opportunity, etc.

This isnt the 50 and 60s when blacks sat at the back of the bus. That time has come an gone. This isnt the Civil War.

And you guys are generalizing what IM SAYING. I said "BLACK AMERICA" notice the quotations!

Its my belief that "BLACK AMERICA" which i deem is the racist political leaders i have mentioned and people with the mentality of Airmax95 that will forever keep their race down. Their inability to think for themsevles and move on in soceity as a people will always raise questions by me.

Are there some good BLACK leaders out there, sure. Are most of them overshadowed by their counterparts, yes.

Condoleeza Rice, but shes talked down because shes not "black enough"

Colin Powell, id vote for his for presedent any day.

I could go on an on

All im saying is that our youth is uneducated, and many in thins thread have proved that.

All im saying is that 90% of blacks are voting for OBAMA and they dont even know what he stands for. They agree with his ideas, but even he has NO IDEA how to implement them.

I mean i could start a platform that says "ALL AMERICANS DESERVE a MILLION DOLLARS PAID SALARY A YEAR!". everyone will agree with me, but the fact is there is no way to implement that idea.


IMO most of BLACK POLITICAL LEADERS use race as a way to gain constituents. Obama used the trinity church to solidify his powerbase which is run by a bunch of racists.

[Big J]

I'm going to go back to race not being as much of an issue anymore. It's slowly transitioning to educated vs. uneducated issue across all races.

I look as cracker as they come, but growing up in Kentucky in the 80's in a multiracial family, I can tell you discrimination still occurs, but I can also tell you it's not as bad as it used to be.

My thoughts are I'd rather have a president that sits in office for 8 years and accomplishes nothing than one that tries to mold parts of the world into his image with the force of the military, especially because that military is made up of people I served with once upon a time.

Ask your self if you're any safer now than you were 8 years ago? Then ask yourself if it was worth the decline in the value of our currency, decline of international view of our country, lives lost, endless amounts of wasted tax dollars.

If you want to continue looking at the small picture of race and party lines go right ahead, but any person with a masters degree in international relations is who we need in office right now. Even if it's awkward because of a lack of experience, or plan, the approach and vision of anything that is not the same old thing can go a long way.

So what if he wants to talk to "axis of evil" leaders, if that's what those leaders little egos need to placate them so be it, if it's a larger issue then a face to face will give him a much clearer picture than some analyst spouting off the oh so dead on accurate threat assessments compiled by our flawless intelligence agencies.

I'd love to see a "******" and a "*****" in the Whitehouse in a capacity other than ancillary role, not only because they're more than qualified, but because it'd make so many people roll around on the floor and throw temper tantrums. I think it'd finally polarize a good portion of the country, that, and I'd love to hear Neal Bortz suffer a fatal stroke on air.

[BanginJimmy]

This whole presidential debate can be ended with a single sentence.

If John McCain, or any other republican, was involeved with the same type of and number of people that Obama is he would be long forgotten.

As far as race goes. As long as ignorant people blame others for their own shortcomings we will continue to have race issues, religious issues, wealth jealousy issues and every other issue that evolves from 1 person having more than another.

[osnap]

Ultimately OUR votes don't mean sh*t... the office will elect whoever they want in as President no matter what the race, religion, or gender.... If they want Obama in office then he's got it. If the want Hilary well she's got it.. the same for whoever gets it... The government gets last decision so don't worry about it. Cause who ever they want in the leaders chair will get it. Oh, and quit worrying about something you can't control.
this is a truly sad post.

[AirMax95]

Not in our lifetimes sorry pal.

Blacks are just as equal as whites, if not they have BETTER opportunities because of RACIST organizations like the NAACP, Affirmative Action, Equal Employment Opportunity, etc.

This isnt the 50 and 60s when blacks sat at the back of the bus. That time has come an gone. This isnt the Civil War.

And you guys are generalizing what IM SAYING. I said "BLACK AMERICA" notice the quotations!

Its my belief that "BLACK AMERICA" which i deem is the racist political leaders i have mentioned and people with the mentality of Airmax95 that will forever keep their race down. Their inability to think for themsevles and move on in soceity as a people will always raise questions by me.

Are there some good BLACK leaders out there, sure. Are most of them overshadowed by their counterparts, yes.

Condoleeza Rice, but shes talked down because shes not "black enough"

Colin Powell, id vote for his for presedent any day.

I could go on an on

All im saying is that our youth is uneducated, and many in thins thread have proved that.

All im saying is that 90% of blacks are voting for OBAMA and they dont even know what he stands for. They agree with his ideas, but even he has NO IDEA how to implement them.

I mean i could start a platform that says "ALL AMERICANS DESERVE a MILLION DOLLARS PAID SALARY A YEAR!". everyone will agree with me, but the fact is there is no way to implement that idea.


IMO most of BLACK POLITICAL LEADERS use race as a way to gain constituents. Obama used the trinity church to solidify his powerbase which is run by a bunch of racists.


Hey you......re-read my post and get back to me.

How is my mentality keeping my race down? Please explain :thinking: I represent the American that wishes all people are equal for a better America. I have a good job, damn good one. I have an education, a damn good one. I mentor our youth, OUR YOUTH (all youth) on doing well in society. SO before you get on your angry "I don't like black people, because...." horse, get to know the positive. Every race has their "not the best representation" of individuals. You my friend are like many others have said, closed minded.

Also, who are you to define "Black America"?

If anything, your mentality is not going to better this country, because you refuse to accept the fact that Racism still exist. Stop sweeping it under the rug. You are not black, didn't go through anything like they did in those times, and you do not get the same treatments that many do today. You have no say so on the black experience. Everyone goes through trials and turmoil, but EVERY situation is different. Sad thing is that COLOR does still play a part.

And that statement that 90% of all blacks are voting for Obama because of his color......come on. Now we are pulling numbers out of left field! Tell me sir, what is the percentage of white voters????? Why are they voting???? Are you going to call then ignorant, stupid, and/or idiotic?

[DinanM3atl]

Mr. Kidd I find humor in your post. You post are filled with racist ramblings and it sound like you have some jealousy issues.

There is actually very low amount of equality in this country. From Blacks to whites, from rich to poor and so on and so forth. People are judging you and stereotyping you from the car you drive to the **** you wear. Racism runs rampant in all parts of our country and all sides are fighting for "their equality" which for some means one thing and for others means something different.

Why is it racist that a "black" organization wants to give a scholarship to a black student that excels in school. You do know there are scholarships that you can get? And the HOPE scholarship doesn't care what the color of your skin is.

Since I don't know your "education" level I can't comment but what is that education? Can you please enlighten me before you start ripping into people you have never met? AirMax95 is a college grad that is my logistic manager at a multi-million dollar company. Sounds like he is doing just fine?

And to further how this country is NOT currently "equal" and it is "people like him" causing the problem. On multiple occassions, myself white and Tereance black, walking through publix getting a sandwich(while both of us in business casual) have WATCHED white woman look at him and either move their purse to the other side or clutch it more closely... Explain that?

[AirMax95]

I'm going to go back to race not being as much of an issue anymore. It's slowly transitioning to educated vs. uneducated issue across all races.

I look as cracker as they come, but growing up in Kentucky in the 80's in a multiracial family, I can tell you discrimination still occurs, but I can also tell you it's not as bad as it used to be.

My thoughts are I'd rather have a president that sits in office for 8 years and accomplishes nothing than one that tries to mold parts of the world into his image with the force of the military, especially because that military is made up of people I served with once upon a time.

Ask your self if you're any safer now than you were 8 years ago? Then ask yourself if it was worth the decline in the value of our currency, decline of international view of our country, lives lost, endless amounts of wasted tax dollars.

If you want to continue looking at the small picture of race and party lines go right ahead, but any person with a masters degree in international relations is who we need in office right now. Even if it's awkward because of a lack of experience, or plan, the approach and vision of anything that is not the same old thing can go a long way.

So what if he wants to talk to "axis of evil" leaders, if that's what those leaders little egos need to placate them so be it, if it's a larger issue then a face to face will give him a much clearer picture than some analyst spouting off the oh so dead on accurate threat assessments compiled by our flawless intelligence agencies.

I'd love to see a "******" and a "*****" in the Whitehouse in a capacity other than ancillary role, not only because they're more than qualified, but because it'd make so many people roll around on the floor and throw temper tantrums. I think it'd finally polarize a good portion of the country, that, and I'd love to hear Neal Bortz suffer a fatal stroke on air.

+1 :goodjob:

[x Resilience]

Those of you who are saying that black people should "get over slavery", I wonder if any of you have had to deal with lynchings, police brutality, segregation, jim crow laws, etc. Its true that most of that stuff is in the past but even so those wounds are not yet healed.



Im kinda with you and against you on that one. Of course black went through alot of brutality, but that was then. Black people these days do need to get over slavery, because that was their ancestors getting lynchings, police brutality, segregation, jim crow laws, etc. Not them. But of course there is still a little segregation and police brutality going on for the black people.

[x Resilience]

Mr. Kidd I find humor in your post. You post are filled with racist ramblings and it sound like you have some jealousy issues.

There is actually very low amount of equality in this country. From Blacks to whites, from rich to poor and so on and so forth. People are judging you and stereotyping you from the car you drive to the **** you wear. Racism runs rampant in all parts of our country and all sides are fighting for "their equality" which for some means one thing and for others means something different.

Why is it racist that a "black" organization wants to give a scholarship to a black student that excels in school. You do know there are scholarships that you can get? And the HOPE scholarship doesn't care what the color of your skin is.

Since I don't know your "education" level I can't comment but what is that education? Can you please enlighten me before you start ripping into people you have never met? AirMax95 is a college grad that is my logistic manager at a multi-million dollar company. Sounds like he is doing just fine?

And to further how this country is NOT currently "equal" and it is "people like him" causing the problem. On multiple occassions, myself white and Tereance black, walking through publix getting a sandwich(while both of us in business casual) have WATCHED white woman look at him and either move their purse to the other side or clutch it more closely... Explain that?

Amen, +1

[DinanM3atl]

Oh AND I am a republican but I keep my mind open and try to understand things before I comment on them...


Also that stupid video tha this post is spawned around. That is for stupid people that want to want short "clips" of full speeches and will only sway dumb people one way or the other. The same video about John McCain would work for Obama.

That video is just dumb to be perfectly honest and gives entertainment to the sheep that would believe everything they see on the internet and are easily swayed.

[BobbyFresco]

This thread contains some of the most blatantly ignorant shyt I've read on here in awhile ,from the misinterpretation of Islam to the belief that ALL BLACK PEOPLE are racist to the very laughable thought that affirmative action ONLY BENEFITS BLACK PEOPLE. (Much less the fact that employers, schools, etc,give these so called "special priviledges to Black people bec of it, in this day and age).


Mr. Kidd, please show me factual, credible evidence that
A. Affirmative Action was introduced to ONLY benefit Black PPL, and not other ethnicities and races and women as well.

B. Provide facts that would prove your theory correct that EVERY BLACK politician who has ever run and served any post in America has used race or fear mongering as you put it, to win their position.


C. Prove that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are representative of ALL BLACK PEOPLE and that the NAACP has a racist agenda.


D. Please provide facts on how historical black colleges and scholarship programs, that were founded at a time when BLACK PPL who according to YOU can't and won't do for themselves, did for themselves when others would NOT, affect WHITE STUDENTS......


and if infact these schools and organizations are still up and running as they are then your whole assertion about BLACK people wanting handouts would be false, wouldn't it? So that being said, WHY is it that you have issues with it?



Also while you were throwing out facts about Black male incarceration you neglected to account for the amount of men who are falsely imprisoned, because there was a time when DNA testing was not widely used. You didn't mention that it has been proven that Black males often times get stiffer sentences than their WHITE counterparts for the SAME CRIMES.
You forgot to mention how 9 times out of 10 Black men are relegated to depending on an overworked public defender as opposed to a high powered attorney, who at the end of the day doesn't give a shyt about his client and recommends said clients to plead out....or how young black males have the book thrown at them for petty drug charges but yet WHITE executives who defraud and bilk people out of their hard earned money get away with a slap on the wrist.....




YOU say that we live in a society where EVERYONE is afforded the same education YET even with whites in rural areas vs. suburban areas, there is a huge disparity in budgets, supplies and teaching aids, test scores, and overall performance from one economic group to another.

So wouldn't it stand to reason that on the issue of education it is more of an socioeconomic problem and not so much because of race?


You, my misguided friend, need to quit regurgitating your " facts" from stormfront.org because your true colors are showing....

[DinanM3atl]

Man he is just getting straight up owned

[wantboost]

racism goes both ways

this whole thread is sad and is going in circles, just like almost every other race related thread.

[BobbyFresco]

I seriously would have more respect for Mr Kidd or anyone who would just be honest and say that the reason Obama shouldn't be president because he's black, rather than making bs excuses....


Oh, and while it's still fresh im my memory, I love how people keep alluding to the fact that OBAMA has not served any military time and that he doesn't have enough experience but Hillary hasn't served and her political experience is no more impressive or substantial than OBAMA's....:tongue1:

[DinanM3atl]

I don't not like the guy but he is a democrat so guilty by association!

roflmao

Sorry.

[BobbyFresco]

I don't not like the guy but he is a democrat so guilty by association!

roflmao

Sorry.


LOL...I was refering to ppl that really DO have issue with him being black, but just not having the sac to say it......

[Vteckidd]

I seriously would have more respect for Mr Kidd or anyone who would just be honest and say that the reason Obama shouldn't be president because he's black, rather than making bs excuses....


Oh, and while it's still fresh im my memory, I love how people keep alluding to the fact that OBAMA has not served any military time and that he doesn't have enough experience but Hillary hasn't served and her political experience is no more impressive or substantial than OBAMA's....:tongue1:

You guys make me laugh. Im not racist at all,. you just dont like what i have to say.

[BobbyFresco]

You guys make me laugh. Im not racist at all,. you just dont like what i have to say.



I've never had an issue with you until now so yea, anyway.....


I would however like for you to address the rather large post that I directed towards you on page 8.

[Vteckidd]

i got some things to do ill look at it tonight

[DinanM3atl]

You guys make me laugh. Im not racist at all,. you just dont like what i have to say.

Are you going to reply to anything that was posted towards you?

[JITB]

Are you going to reply to anything that was posted towards you?

no he wont.

[MistaCee]

no he wont.

exactly. If anything he'll delete posts saying " I want to keep the thread positive." Lirl:lmfao:

[Vteckidd]

im out running errands i cant type a book on my phone

[Lucky DAWG]

Muslims are not the problem, radical muslims who twist their holy book into brain washing normal muslims is.

Conservative American ideals are not the problem, they are to be embraced... what is wrong with pride in where you come from... every country having its own history and being different is something special that makes the world interesting.

Socialist Marxist views seek to destroy that and make the government control every aspect of your life.

The government should be there to protect you, that is all. Fair Tax is what we need right now to help us and we need to get rid of all of these new social programs.

The only way to stop the gap between the races is stop affirmitave action and make everyone on the same page so that we will actually be EQUAL.

[Lucky DAWG]

]I seriously would have more respect for Mr Kidd or anyone who would just be honest and say that the reason Obama shouldn't be president because he's black, rather than making bs excuses....[/b]


Oh, and while it's still fresh im my memory, I love how people keep alluding to the fact that OBAMA has not served any military time and that he doesn't have enough experience but Hillary hasn't served and her political experience is no more impressive or substantial than OBAMA's....:tongue1:



You are the entire reason he is going to lose.
because you make it into a race reason by calling out the race card.



I honestly am not racist, but i can not STAND when black people pull this one, get over yourself... i don't give two ****s if you're black, but i do give two ****s that you try and put the blame on that you're black if i just simply don't like what you have to say.

[BobbyFresco]

Muslims are not the problem, radical muslims who twist their holy book into brain washing normal muslims is.

Conservative American ideals are not the problem, they are to be embraced... what is wrong with pride in where you come from... every country having its own history and being different is something special that makes the world interesting.

Socialist Marxist views seek to destroy that and make the government control every aspect of your life.

The government should be there to protect you, that is all. Fair Tax is what we need right now to help us and we need to get rid of all of these new social programs.

The only way to stop the gap between the races is stop affirmitave action and make everyone on the same page so that we will actually be EQUAL.




You keep making mention of affirmative action like A. It only "benefits" BLACK people, B. Like it has affected you personally, you being a white male I'm assuming, and C. that affirmative action actually matters in today's society...


and for all the people that believe we live in a totally enlightened, equality for all America, you should live one day of your life as a Black, Mexican, Middle Eastern, or any person of color and you may change your opinion on something you know nothing about....

[Lucky DAWG]

I'm going to go back to race not being as much of an issue anymore. It's slowly transitioning to educated vs. uneducated issue across all races.

I look as cracker as they come, but growing up in Kentucky in the 80's in a multiracial family, I can tell you discrimination still occurs, but I can also tell you it's not as bad as it used to be.

My thoughts are I'd rather have a president that sits in office for 8 years and accomplishes nothing than one that tries to mold parts of the world into his image with the force of the military, especially because that military is made up of people I served with once upon a time.

Ask your self if you're any safer now than you were 8 years ago? Then ask yourself if it was worth the decline in the value of our currency, decline of international view of our country, lives lost, endless amounts of wasted tax dollars.

If you want to continue looking at the small picture of race and party lines go right ahead, but any person with a masters degree in international relations is who we need in office right now. Even if it's awkward because of a lack of experience, or plan, the approach and vision of anything that is not the same old thing can go a long way.

So what if he wants to talk to "axis of evil" leaders, if that's what those leaders little egos need to placate them so be it, if it's a larger issue then a face to face will give him a much clearer picture than some analyst spouting off the oh so dead on accurate threat assessments compiled by our flawless intelligence agencies.

I'd love to see a "******" and a "*****" in the Whitehouse in a capacity other than ancillary role, not only because they're more than qualified, but because it'd make so many people roll around on the floor and throw temper tantrums. I think it'd finally polarize a good portion of the country, that, and I'd love to hear Neal Bortz suffer a fatal stroke on air.


and this is a good thing to you?
your rant had a few good points until you lost it at the end

[BobbyFresco]

You are the entire reason he is going to lose.
because you make it into a race reason by calling out the race card.



I honestly am not racist, but i can not STAND when black people pull this one, get over yourself... i don't give two ****s if you're black, but i do give two ****s that you try and put the blame on that you're black if i just simply don't like what you have to say.



Who's pulling a "race card" here?


LMFAO.....and furthermore, I have yet to understand what this race card is and who coined that completely and utterly asinine phrase....


I made my assertion based on what was presented in the thread, not on some I'm BLACK so therefore I'M A VICTIM SHYT....


What really needs to happen is that people need to stop pretending they know what it's like to be ANY PERSON OF COLOR before you throw in some silly insinuation about playing the so called " race card"...


oh.... and why is it that YOU people seem to have to add a disclaimer that you're not racist when you make your generalties about what it's like being BLACK even though YOU ARE WHITE....?

[Lucky DAWG]

You keep making mention of affirmative action like A. It only "benefits" BLACK people, B. Like it has affected you personally, you being a white male I'm assuming, and C. that affirmative action actually matters in today's society...


and for all the people that believe we live in a totally enlightened, equality for all America, you should live one day of your life as a Black, Mexican, Middle Eastern, or any person of color and you may change your opinion on something you know nothing about....


well when a black student gets into college before i do who is clearly less qualified even though i come from a family of poor alabama farmers and my mom left ireland on her own at age 17..... i think i know.

my parents gave a lot for me to go to a private school and i grew up around kids who had a lot more money then me.

And when i have friends who got into schools i didn't even though we had the same grades and i had a better SAT score... yea i think i know about that.


I have worked jobs as the only white guy, and yea i got harassed. I worked in a predominately black neighberhood tennis center when i was 16, black kids came in there and demanded free courts and balls to play with, robbed a co worker at gun point and so forth.

and at the end of the day i'm not even racist. Most of the people i hang out with at school are in fraternities and come from rich white backgrounds who make jokes on black people multiple times a day.

and i'm not racist

So in short, i think you should shut your damn mouth before you think you know where i'm coming from. You act as if the white man has some kind of divine plan to put you down.

I know plenty of hispanics and black people who are equally racist if not more. And do i pull the race card because i'm white?

A ) no because i don't care, i dont expect pity for my race
B ) no because i would have 20 people down my throat if i said anything about being white.



and yet again... at the end of the day i'm not racist.


stop playing up race so much, i don't give two ****s if Obama is black, his policies are complete garbage.

[Lucky DAWG]

Who's pulling a "race card" here?


LMFAO.....and furthermore, I have yet to understand what this race card is and who coined that completely and utterly asinine phrase....


I made my assertion based on what was presented in the thread, not on some I'm BLACK so therefore I'M A VICTIM SHYT....


What really needs to happen is that people need to stop pretending they know what it's like to be ANY PERSON OF COLOR before you throw in some silly insinuation about playing the so called " race card"...


oh.... and why is it that YOU people seem to have to add a disclaimer that you're not racist when you make your generalties about what it's like being BLACK even though YOU ARE WHITE....?

you make the same generalizations about white people, don't be ignorant.


and weren't you the one that said people don't want Obama cause he is black... i think thats the race card has blatently presented as possible

[BobbyFresco]

you make the same generalizations about white people, don't be ignorant.


and weren't you the one that said people don't want Obama cause he is black... i think thats the race card has blatently presented as possible



You should go back and read what I posted again but I will clarify seeing as how it may have confused you.....


I simply stated that IF a person's reasons for not wanting Obama running for president is because he is black, then I would have more respect for them if they simply stated that as opposed to making up irrelevant excuses....

[Frög]

I did a lot of research on this last night.. I came home, around 5am and couldn't sleep until 10..

All I have to say about the op is: LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lucky DAWG]

You should go back and read what I posted again but I will clarify seeing as how it may have confused you.....


I simply stated that IF a person's reasons for not wanting Obama running for president is because he is black, then I would have more respect for them if they simply stated that as opposed to making up irrelevant excuses....


i can read, thats not the problem...

if irrelevant excuses you mean no experience, fanatic ideas, clearly a racist point of view from his upbringing and church, and the fact his social programs are not realistic... then yes... you have no respect for me and nor do i want it.


I'm not hanging on McCain's nuts by any means, i don't like him either he has plenty of flaws.



But you are completely idolizing Obama when there are clearly so many obviously wrong things about him, i have no idea how someone can not understand how vastly dangerous someone like this is to a country.

[BobbyFresco]

well when a black student gets into college before i do who is clearly less qualified even though i come from a family of poor alabama farmers and my mom left ireland on her own at age 17..... i think i know.

my parents gave a lot for me to go to a private school and i grew up around kids who had a lot more money then me.

And when i have friends who got into schools i didn't even though we had the same grades and i had a better SAT score... yea i think i know about that.


I have worked jobs as the only white guy, and yea i got harassed. I worked in a predominately black neighberhood tennis center when i was 16, black kids came in there and demanded free courts and balls to play with, robbed a co worker at gun point and so forth.

and at the end of the day i'm not even racist. Most of the people i hang out with at school are in fraternities and come from rich white backgrounds who make jokes on black people multiple times a day.

and i'm not racist

So in short, i think you should shut your damn mouth before you think you know where i'm coming from. You act as if the white man has some kind of divine plan to put you down.

I know plenty of hispanics and black people who are equally racist if not more. And do i pull the race card because i'm white?

A ) no because i don't care, i dont expect pity for my race
B ) no because i would have 20 people down my throat if i said anything about being white.



and yet again... at the end of the day i'm not racist.


stop playing up race so much, i don't give two ****s if Obama is black, his policies are complete garbage.



I don't pretend to know ANYTHING about you but your posts reek of what I'd like to call ANGRY WHITE MAN SYNDROME... YOU keep talking about how BLACK people place themselves in the role of a victim at the hands of the WHITE MAN but aren't you doing the same thing by blaming affirmative action and in effect BLACK PPL for your inability to get into a certain college or univeristy.....Do YOU have any credible evidence to support that you were denied admission solely because of the fact that you're WHITE?


and secondly, I feel for you and all the negative experiences that you may have had but that shouldn't lend to you making assumptions and categorizing one group of people as the same....


and where in my posts have I personally said that the WHITE MAN HAS KEPT ME DOWN?

I GOT INTO SCHOOL ON MY OWN MERIT BOTH ACADEMICALLY AND ATHLETICALLY, GOT MY MASTER'S AND MY JOB BASED ON MY HARD WORK AND NOT ON SOME SUPPOSED HAND OUT THAT YOU KEEP BYTCHING ABOUT......

SO YEA, WHO'S TRYING TO TYPECAST WHOM AGAIN, WITHOUT KNOWING FACTS?:cheers:

[BobbyFresco]

i can read, thats not the problem...

if irrelevant excuses you mean no experience, fanatic ideas, clearly a racist point of view from his upbringing and church, and the fact his social programs are not realistic... then yes... you have no respect for me and nor do i want it.


I'm not hanging on McCain's nuts by any means, i don't like him either he has plenty of flaws.



But you are completely idolizing Obama when there are clearly so many obviously wrong things about him, i have no idea how someone can not understand how vastly dangerous someone like this is to a country.


I came into the discussion solely to add my opinion and knowledge on the issues of race that were made in this thread....At no point and time have I made any proclamations that I am an Obama supporter of any kind....Truth be told, I'm not that excited about the upcoming elections.....

[Lucky DAWG]

I don't pretend to know ANYTHING about you but your posts reek of what I'd like to call ANGRY WHITE MAN SYNDROME... YOU keep talking about how BLACK people place themselves in the role of a victim at the hands of the WHITE MAN but aren't you doing the same thing by blaming affirmative action and in effect BLACK PPL for your inability to get into a certain college or univeristy.....Do YOU have any credible evidence to support that you were denied admission solely because of the fact that you're WHITE?


and secondly, I feel for you and all the negative experiences that you may have had but that shouldn't lend to you making assumptions and categorizing one group of people as the same....


and where in my posts have I personally said that the WHITE MAN HAS KEPT ME DOWN?

I GOT INTO SCHOOL ON MY OWN MERIT BOTH ACADEMICALLY AND ATHLETICALLY, GOT MY MASTER'S AND MY JOB BASED ON MY HARD WORK AND NOT ON SOME SUPPOSED HAND OUT THAT YOU KEEP BYTCHING ABOUT......

SO YEA, WHO'S TRYING TO TYPECAST WHOM AGAIN, WITHOUT KNOWING FACTS?:cheers:





so you support affirmitave action? i think you jumped around that with your aimless speech



and no its not black people's fault... mostly white people put the law into action.... :goodjob: its the laws fault, its outdated. If a black guy is more qualified then me power to him, I think working hard is to be rewarded.

[Lucky DAWG]

I came into the discussion solely to add my opinion and knowledge on the issues of race that were made in this thread....At no point and time have I made any proclamations that I am an Obama supporter of any kind....Truth be told, I'm not that excited about the upcoming elections.....


I agree.
Mitt Romney with huckabee as vice president would have been a great ticket.



I'm glad Obama won though because the democrats have effectively shot themselves in the foot again, Hillary stood a pretty good chance at winning since she isn't so radical and McCain is a weak candidate too.




Hillary atleast makes sense, not that i would vote for her either.

[BobbyFresco]

so you support affirmitave action? i think you jumped around that with your aimless speech


Was it really aimless as you call it or did you run of of steam and decided it was just better to give up?


Anyway, to answer your question I believe that affirmative action doesn't play a substantial role in today's society....Keep in mind, I said that was MY belief....

However, do I support it? NO

I think ALL PEOPLE ( READ BLACK, WHITE, ASIAN, MALE FEMALE, ETC) need to learn to be competitive and work for what you want and not have anything handed to you...

[Lucky DAWG]

Was it really aimless as you call it or did you run of of steam and decided it was just better to give up?


Anyway, to answer your question I believe that affirmative action doesn't play a substantial role in today's society....Keep in mind, I said that was MY belief....

However, do I support it? NO

I think ALL PEOPLE ( READ BLACK, WHITE, ASIAN, MALE FEMALE, ETC) need to learn to be competetive and work for what you want and not have anything handed to you...


i'm glad we can agree on that.
so whats the point of having it around then if thats the case?

[BobbyFresco]

i'm glad we can agree on that.
so whats the point of having it around then if thats the case?


I'm sure it's kept around to give society a false sense of "equality" .


Edit: I'd also like to add that in today's society, it is MY belief that WHITE and BLACK WOMEN benefit from affirmative action more than any other group of people.

[Lucky DAWG]

I'm sure it's kept around to give society a false sense of "equality" .

equality would be quite the opposite.

[Big J]

and this is a good thing to you?
your rant had a few good points until you lost it at the end

It easily polarizes the people that enter this thread........ once people pick sides it'll be easier for them to see there are larger issues at hand, and a larger majority that leaves race and partisan politics out of it all together. Yes, I think it would be a good thing for people to see the sides and realize there is a greater common good and goal that is unachievable when people sit back and pick at the petty irrelevant issues.

[Lucky DAWG]

It easily polarizes the people that enter this thread........ once people pick sides it'll be easier for them to see there are larger issues at hand, and a larger majority that leaves race and partisan politics out of it all together. Yes, I think it would be a good thing for people to see the sides and realize there is a greater common good and goal that is unachievable when people sit back and pick at the petty irrelevant issues.


i wish that was true.
but i feel more animosity in this country in the past year then in the past decade.


hopefully that kind of world could exist though

[Big J]

i wish that was true.
but i feel more animosity in this country in the past year then in the past decade.


hopefully that kind of world could exist though

Hopefully something new, and less of the same could be a small start. Sometimes change is good, businesses restructure all the time when something doesn't work or doesn't work well. A lot of time it's just to give the appearance of giving a ****, but the "stock holders" are voicing this call for change, they give a **** this time around. Even if the sides are divided, the high voter turn out alone is something to be celebrated, it shows (some) people still care and that more realize what is at stake.

[Lucky DAWG]

Hopefully something new, and less of the same could be a small start. Sometimes change is good, businesses restructure all the time when something doesn't work or doesn't work well. A lot of time it's just to give the appearance of giving a ****, but the "stock holders" are voicing this call for change, they give a **** this time around. Even if the sides are divided, the high voter turn out alone is something to be celebrated, it shows (some) people still care and that more realize what is at stake.



a lot of the people who are turning out for Obama though are young people who have little political expereince or life experience for that matter.

I'm not saying everyone is like that who supports Obama, but i bet 10% of people over the age of 50 vote for him, and that is the biggest demographic for voting.

I agree that change can sometimes be good, but not in this case to me. I have not felt more opposition to a political candidate in years as i have for Obama...


I just have a really really really bad feeling about him. And i understand most people on here won't see eye to eye with me. I am a staunch conservative and the overwhelming majority of users on this site are liberal, i'm preaching to the wrong choir... politics is something hard to change people's minds on and usually just results in arguments... (see above ^^^ :lmfao: )

[AirMax95]

I read the last 3 pages from where I posted last.

I feel that this thread is turning out pretty well. It seems that there is a lot of agreement and understanding across the board.

SUMMARY OF MY OWN:

When choosing a candidate, learn the facts, not the hype.

Kill the color/race virus.

Do not assume what you clearly do not know. It is easy to assume, but even easier to listen and learn. The challenge is educating yourself :goodjob:

Ending an argument by calling others stupid, ignorant, idiotic will leave you looking like an uneducated loser.......LOOKING LIKE!

Every race has their "not so good" individuals. To place a generalization on the race may give you the perception of being closed minded, racist, or a bigot.

Dislike a person because of what they do, not because of what they look like.

And finally..........do not attempt to be an e-thug or key board bad ass :tongue1:

[JR VQ 30 de]

OBAMA FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MistaCee]

I'm glad Obama won though because the democrats have effectively shot themselves in the foot again, Hillary stood a pretty good chance at winning since she isn't so radical




Isn't so radical? Obama and Hillary have almost identical polices.

[Lucky DAWG]

Isn't so radical? Obama and Hillary have almost identical polices.



their characters, Hillary is not as radical at all in the big picture

[blaknoize]

muslim's HATE AMERICANS, they are the main "haters"

I think that speaks well, LOL

Obama is a good speaker, thats it, and a good accuser.

The anti-christ will come from within...and be of muslim descent. I aint religous and don't pay attention to end time prophecies but that **** is close enough. If obama wasn't of muslim descent and didn't have muslim names, id think about his input.

That was an ignorant post. Considerin I actually work with a Muslim, but also my post is ignorant, cuz I cant speak on it lol.

OBAMA 08

Let tha man run his race geez. If u didnt vote u didnt vote. I voted cuz I have faith in him, this video is just on his name and where he was. It has nothing to do with him.

But this is the end of an error so let it go. If a half anything runs the country then it will no longer be white America. Let the man be.

[2turbo4u]

I want to know if anyone heard the real sermon that Rev. Wright gave, not the taken out of context on H &C keep feeding you?

[BanginJimmy]

I want to know if anyone heard the real sermon that Rev. Wright gave, not the taken out of context on H &C keep feeding you?

Would that be the god damn American sermon?
or the US Govt made AIDS to kill black people sermon?
or 1 of the several other sermons that went along the same lines?

[Total_Blender]

One thing about a president is that when you pick one you are also picking their advisors and people behind the scenes.

Hillary Clinton had James Carville on this campaign and it was James Carville who was a big part of Bill's success. Carville has published a handfull of books and has worked with other democratic candidates. Carville has given his endorsement to Obama.

Most of Obama's advisors have worked with former senate minority leader Tom Daschle, who has endorsed Obama. One of his main advisors, David Axlerod is a political writer for the Chicago Tribune so I'm sure there is info about him.


McCain's advisors:

Robert Mosbacher: Oil man and Bush loyalist (cheif fundraiser Bush Sr.'s '92 campaign)

Phill Gramm: former Democrat who revealed Democratic strategy to Republicans druing Reagan's first term. Stripped of his power by the DNC he ran as a republican in his second term. Former lobbyist for the banking industry.

Tom Loeffler: Lobbyist for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

[MistaCee]

One thing about a president is that when you pick one you are also picking their advisors and people behind the scenes.

Hillary Clinton had James Carville on this campaign and it was James Carville who was a big part of Bill's success. Carville has published a handfull of books and has worked with other democratic candidates. Carville has given his endorsement to Obama.

Most of Obama's advisors have worked with former senate minority leader Tom Daschle, who has endorsed Obama. One of his main advisors, David Axlerod is a political writer for the Chicago Tribune so I'm sure there is info about him.


McCain's advisors:

Robert Mosbacher: Oil man and Bush loyalist (cheif fundraiser Bush Sr.'s '92 campaign)

Phill Gramm: former Democrat who revealed Democratic strategy to Republicans druing Reagan's first term. Stripped of his power by the DNC he ran as a republican in his second term. Former lobbyist for the banking industry.

Tom Loeffler: Lobbyist for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

Yet people want a third term of bush.