LS/B20...all motor??

[PURP]

I just bought a b20 and had the intensions of putting it in my hatch.... Since a B18 has more HP but less torque would it be worth it to put the b20 block with my b18 head.... Im trying to go all motor non vtec only because everybody and there granny's have vtakkk.... If its worth it what oem pistons are good for high compression as it will be all motor..

Any advise would be great
And before you haters start I LOVE YOU

[southside]

Well from what I know b20s do have alot more torque.Do to them having 84mm pistons.But most ppl say if you want higher compression you will have to go aftermarket.I say just get a b20 and build it

[SiRed94]

I don't understand this desire for lack of vtec....

[SiRed94]

but yeah I don't believe there are any OEM 84 mm pistons that will yield you a higher C/R... I would recommend after market forged anyways for reliability... there are some companies that make 84 mm ITR and CTR replica pistons... but I would stay away from the casts....

[seanrg1116]

get the head milled down to raise comp. and aftermarket head gasket.


Oh yea (i just wanted to be the first to say it) get a VTACH head :D

j/k keep the non vtec and build that B***H up right and so nitrous would not hurt

[LongLiveH2b]

also LS/B20 heads need to be ported heavily just to match the port size of a STD B16 head...not worth it to me unless u got money and want to be diff. go ahead but since u said u wanna go non-vtec and u just bought a B20, ever think bout gettin a short geared tranny B16, GSR..etc.:goodjob:

Example: (150-160whp)less reliable
your B20
aftermarket Pistons 11:1 ($350-$400)
aftermarket rods($300-$400)
balancing honing, machine shop($500-$800+)
stage 1 cams($400-$500)
no head work
tune$300
more...gaskets,bearings..etc.
this kind of setup $$$, labor will be a lot for this, unless u can do this yourself

Example:(145-155whp)more reliable
your B20
stock B16 head($500-$600)
B20/vtec kit($200-$250)
tune:$300
this is a simple build :goodjob: and more reliable cuz u did'nt open up your bottom end...and labor is alot less than ^^^^

later

[southside]

I don't understand this desire for lack of vtec....:thinking: hmmmmmmmmm ppl sleep on nonvtec cars and when they see you tearing ppl up they be like what cha got.:D simple reply somethin that aint vtec and they go:eek:

[twinj]

B20 W/B16 tranny. If you must go that route.

[bigdare23]

I just bought a b20 and had the intensions of putting it in my hatch.... Since a B18 has more HP but less torque would it be worth it to put the b20 block with my b18 head.... Im trying to go all motor non vtec only because everybody and there granny's have vtakkk.... If its worth it what oem pistons are good for high compression as it will be all motor..

Any advise would be great
And before you haters start I LOVE YOU


:thinking:

A LS makes more hp than a B20

:thinking:



Don't waste your time swapping heads because they are the same. If you have a b20b then your only oem option are b20z pistions, but if you have a b20z there aren't any oem options. You could go with aftermarket pistons (there are type r copies out there).

I would suggest goggle or honda-tech searching before posting anymore LOL.

[southside]

and those motors that are ls/vtec b20/vtec are expensive to build right.PPl always try to influence ppl to just go vtec

[LongLiveH2b]

:thinking: hmmmmmmmmm ppl sleep on nonvtec cars and when they see you tearing ppl up they be like what cha got.:D simple reply somethin that aint vtec and they go:eek:

yea cuz most likely they spray and dont admit it.....
:nx:bottles are for babies;)

[bigdare23]

:thinking: hmmmmmmmmm ppl sleep on nonvtec cars and when they see you tearing ppl up they be like what cha got.:D simple reply somethin that aint vtec and they go:eek:


that's because they go picking on single cams LOL


non-vtec ftl

[LongLiveH2b]

:lmfao::lmfao:.............

[southside]

Lol yea bottles are for babys,and I've seen a nonvtec single cam off the bottle run with a h22 lude and a gsr teg.Alot of ppl say nonvtec wont cut it but I say it depends on your set up.

[PURP]

well whatever direction I go it will certainly be NON VTAAKKKK...
The setup now is a LS/B16 tranny and sitting in the garage is a 98 b20.... Just contemplating on the build for it...

[PURP]

thanx guys for all the suggestion

[bigdare23]

well whatever direction I go it will certainly be NON VTAAKKKK...
The setup now is a LS/B16 tranny and sitting in the garage is a 98 b20.... Just contemplating on the build for it...


I love ya'll die hard non vtec guys! You would spend $$$ building a motor and only get 160hp to the wheels. That's love right there!!! Luckily, when you see the light vtec is only a golden eagle kit away LOL.

[bigdare23]

because I'm a nice guy

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/2176287

[Grimm Reeper]

:thinking:

A LS makes more hp than a B20

:thinking:



Don't waste your time swapping heads because they are the same.


I was just going to say that :crazy:

[EJ_Allmota]

Not too sure why people are downing Non Vtec but Ive had my mildly built LS motor (built by MainStream Performance) in my EJ1 for over two years (daily driven), still runs strong. I safely rev it to 8200 daily but Ive taken it to 8500, Ive beaten (I/H/E) GSRs and walks bolt-on B16s.. (vids upon request)..

Motor 98 LS
Tranny GSR
Crower 403 cams
Crower dual value springs and Ti retainers
B16 pistons
Ferrera flat faced valves
Blox intake manifold (stock TB)
Hondata intake manifold gasket
ARP rod bolts and head studs
ACL rod bearing
CTR header w/ 2.5in exhaust

setup made 151whp and 128tq on an 87degree day..

if i were you id get the head ported, as they already said LS & B20 head are no different.. run Crower 404 cams and B16 pistons.. Ive ran a B16 tranny on mine for a min but hated it on the highway at crusing speeds.. GSR tranny is the best of both worlds, great gear ratios with a nice final to hold lower RPM on the highway.. just my :2cents:

[Dirty Octopus™]

i was JUST about to say PM Khris :goodjob:

[LongLiveH2b]

151whp is pretty damn badass for a non-vtec, but like i said 150 hp is also easily atained with an stock bottom end LS w/ a b16 head.
It's what u want though, diff. setups are always badass.:goodjob:




Motor 98 LS
Tranny GSR
Crower 403 cams
Crower dual value springs and Ti retainers
B16 pistons
Ferrera flat faced valves
Blox intake manifold (stock TB)
Hondata intake manifold gasket
ARP rod bolts and head studs
ACL rod bearing
CTR header w/ 2.5in exhaust

setup made 151whp and 128tq on an 87degree day..

[southside]

because I'm a nice guy

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/2176287 How much you think he spent on that set up

[twinj]

Not too sure why people are downing Non Vtec but Ive had my mildly built LS motor (built by MainStream Performance) in my EJ1 for over two years (daily driven), still runs strong. I safely rev it to 8200 daily but Ive taken it to 8500, Ive beaten (I/H/E) GSRs and walks bolt-on B16s.. (vids upon request)..

Motor 98 LS
Tranny GSR
Crower 403 cams
Crower dual value springs and Ti retainers
B16 pistons
Ferrera flat faced valves
Blox intake manifold (stock TB)
Hondata intake manifold gasket
ARP rod bolts and head studs
ACL rod bearing
CTR header w/ 2.5in exhaust

setup made 151whp and 128tq on an 87degree day..

if i were you id get the head ported, as they already said LS & B20 head are no different.. run Crower 404 cams and B16 pistons.. Ive ran a B16 tranny on mine for a min but hated it on the highway at crusing speeds.. GSR tranny is the best of both worlds, great gear ratios with a nice final to hold lower RPM on the highway.. just my :2cents:

lmao, those highway rides gets irritaing w/b16 tranny.I leaned that quick going from a LS tranny b16.After while going down the highway at 4.5K with some damn ear plugs.

[southside]

^^^Digs are what count buddy.My friend has a b16 and it makes him drive about 60 to stay out of vtec.

[twinj]

^^^Digs are what count buddy.My friend has a b16 and it makes him drive about 60 to stay out of vtec.

Don't get me wrong I would rather run from a dig. I was just saying those highway trips will kill your ear drums. My:2cents: thats my favorite tranny(b16).

[southside]

Yea it does I have a ls tranny but its a 91 and the gears arent as long as ppl complained.Only gear thats longer to me is 5th.

[boosted_nonv]

Not too sure why people are downing Non Vtec but Ive had my mildly built LS motor (built by MainStream Performance) in my EJ1 for over two years (daily driven), still runs strong. I safely rev it to 8200 daily but Ive taken it to 8500, Ive beaten (I/H/E) GSRs and walks bolt-on B16s.. (vids upon request)..

Motor 98 LS
Tranny GSR
Crower 403 cams
Crower dual value springs and Ti retainers
B16 pistons
Ferrera flat faced valves
Blox intake manifold (stock TB)
Hondata intake manifold gasket
ARP rod bolts and head studs
ACL rod bearing
CTR header w/ 2.5in exhaust

setup made 151whp and 128tq on an 87degree day..

if i were you id get the head ported, as they already said LS & B20 head are no different.. run Crower 404 cams and B16 pistons.. Ive ran a B16 tranny on mine for a min but hated it on the highway at crusing speeds.. GSR tranny is the best of both worlds, great gear ratios with a nice final to hold lower RPM on the highway.. just my :2cents:


lol i was waiting for you to say something, and by the way this is the exact reason im building what im building Khris for the Vtec whores, i love vtec you know but im doing it for the people who thinks their vtecs are fast:lmfao:

[southside]

^^^THought I was the only diehard Nonvtec lovers.I've drivn vtec cars but never owned one vtec just doesnt impress me.

[southside]

Not too sure why people are downing Non Vtec but Ive had my mildly built LS motor (built by MainStream Performance) in my EJ1 for over two years (daily driven), still runs strong. I safely rev it to 8200 daily but Ive taken it to 8500, Ive beaten (I/H/E) GSRs and walks bolt-on B16s.. (vids upon request)..

Motor 98 LS
Tranny GSR
Crower 403 cams
Crower dual value springs and Ti retainers
B16 pistons
Ferrera flat faced valves
Blox intake manifold (stock TB)
Hondata intake manifold gasket
ARP rod bolts and head studs
ACL rod bearing
CTR header w/ 2.5in exhaust

setup made 151whp and 128tq on an 87degree day..

if i were you id get the head ported, as they already said LS & B20 head are no different.. run Crower 404 cams and B16 pistons.. Ive ran a B16 tranny on mine for a min but hated it on the highway at crusing speeds.. GSR tranny is the best of both worlds, great gear ratios with a nice final to hold lower RPM on the highway.. just my :2cents:nice

[.:Stirfry:.]

Not too sure why people are downing Non Vtec but Ive had my mildly built LS motor (built by MainStream Performance) in my EJ1 for over two years (daily driven), still runs strong. I safely rev it to 8200 daily but Ive taken it to 8500, Ive beaten (I/H/E) GSRs and walks bolt-on B16s.. (vids upon request)..

Motor 98 LS
Tranny GSR
Crower 403 cams
Crower dual value springs and Ti retainers
B16 pistons
Ferrera flat faced valves
Blox intake manifold (stock TB)
Hondata intake manifold gasket
ARP rod bolts and head studs
ACL rod bearing
CTR header w/ 2.5in exhaust

setup made 151whp and 128tq on an 87degree day..



nice..:goodjob: ..
that is exact same setup im doin on my EF:..

[southside]

nice..:goodjob: ..
that is exact same setup im doin on my EF:..:ninja: Not the only one anymore:no:

[.:Stirfry:.]

:ninja: Not the only one anymore:no:
:goodjob: . heres my lil mota puttin a lil 75 shot to go w/ it..

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg107/southernGAda/riteup022-1.jpg

[southside]

Niiiiiceeeeeeeeeeeee

[MistaCee]

I don't understand this desire for lack of vtec....

Me neither.

[xdavidscenex]

:goodjob: . heres my lil mota puttin a lil 75 shot to go w/ it..

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg107/southernGAda/riteup022-1.jpg

no crank? lol

[SiRed94]

:thinking: hmmmmmmmmm ppl sleep on nonvtec cars and when they see you tearing ppl up they be like what cha got.:D simple reply somethin that aint vtec and they go:eek:

and then they go :eek: because you are driving the hell out of a car with independent main caps and a 1.54 R/S ratio...
and I have seen an all motor D15 non vtec beat an assload of cars too... because I built it...:goodjob:

[southside]

^^^haha They thought I was lying.Well you heard it from the man him self.

[.:Stirfry:.]

no crank? lol

who needs one?.

[southside]

^^^I didnt notice there wasnt a crank in there

[.:Stirfry:.]

^ yea im missin a couple pieces off the bottom end.. like the crank girdle and the gear..also i juss ordered sum ACL rb..

thas why i didnt fully put the motor together
..the head is juss sittin on there

[southside]

U putting a girdle in?If so aftermarket or Gzzzr

[.:Stirfry:.]

yea i still havent dicided yet Golden Eagle or DIY gsr one...
or juss save time and money && slap the windage tray
and call it a day

[southside]

Didnt have money for girdle at the time so I just called it a day

[.:Stirfry:.]

yea i think im gunna do juss that.. && put that money down for my BC dual valve springs and retainers

[southside]

yea i got mine for 100$

[.:Stirfry:.]

nice:.. used?

[southside]

No they werent used the guy sold his ls and had cams and dual vs with retainers for 100.Do you already have cams?

[.:Stirfry:.]

damn good deal:.. but yea i do w/ GE cam gears

[southside]

What cams are you using?

[.:Stirfry:.]

the Crower 403 cams... you??

[southside]

:ninja:stock

[.:Stirfry:.]

:goodjob: ..

[southside]

naw im using 404s