Ima noob to 240s and I got questions.....HELP!

[HELLRAZOR]

Hey you Nismo guys.......Help me come over to the DARK SIDE! :devil:

I have been Honda/Acura for years and I'm thinking about going RWD now.

I am looking into buying my first 240 but I don't know enuff about them to make an informed decision. I tried looking around but I couldnt find all the info in one place.

What model years are more popular than others and why??

What is the differences in S13, S14, etc. etc....what do they mean? Are certain s13 things good or bad as well as s14s?

I see engines that are red tops and black tops...what is the diff?

I see different engines ...SR this and that...is there a difference like Hondas are VTEC or not? Difference in torque like B16, B17, B18, etc?

I see some engines are DET and others aren't...?

And finally, What the hell is a kouki??? :thinking:

Thanks for your posts and assistance.

[seanrg1116]

S13Nissan Silvia (S13)http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3d/S13_silvia.jpg/250px-S13_silvia.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:S13_silvia.jpg)
S13 Silvia, K's model


‎Production1988–1993Body style(s) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_body_style)2-door coupe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupe)Layout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_layout)FR layout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FR_layout)Engine(s)1.8 L DOHC-I4 (CA18DE)
1.8 L DOHC Turbo-I4 (CA18DET)
2.0 L DOHC-I4 (SR20DE), 140 PS
2.0 L DOHC Turbo-I4 (SR20DET), 205 PSTransmission(s) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_%28mechanics%29)5 speed manual transmission
4 speed automatic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_transmission)Wheelbase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheelbase)97.4 in (2475 mm)Length176.0 in (4470 mm)Width66.5 in (1690 mm)Height50.8 in (1290 mm)Curb weight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curb_weight)2450-2675 lb (1110-1210 kg)

The S13 Silvia, introduced in mid-1988 for the 1989 model year, was immensely popular in Japan. The Silvia name was no longer used on export (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export) models, however; European models were now known as 200SX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_200SX). Following industry trends, the S13 Silvia switched to relampable fixed headlights. Projector optics were offered as an option.

The Silvia fastback was discontinued and replaced by a new model sharing the S platform, the Nissan 180SX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_180SX). The 180SX continued using pop-up headlights. A convertible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convertible) was briefly offered soon after the start of production, but it was never popular, perhaps due to high cost (3.25 million Yen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yen) in 1988), heavier curb weight, and chassis flex.

The S13 was one of the first uses of Nissan's multi-link rear suspension, the technology of which was previewed in concept cars in previous years, such as the Nissan MID-4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nissan_MID-4&action=edit&redlink=1). It also offered a four-wheel steering system for the first time, known as HICAS-II. In 1990, HICAS-II would be updated and renamed SuperHICAS. The S13 also saw the introduction of a viscous-type limited slip differential (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_slip_differential) for some models.

S13 Silvias were initially powered by the CA18DE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_CA_engine#CA18DE) and CA18DET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_CA_engine#CA18DET) engines carried over from the end of S12 production, with an intercooler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercooler) added to the CA18DET for a slight increase in stability and power. In mid 1990, (for the 1991 model year) the SR20DE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SR_engine#SR20DE) and SR20DET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SR_engine#SR20DET) engines debuted, offering improvements across the board in power and torque due to increased displacement and a more efficient turbocharger than was offered on the previous cars.

The S13 Silvia was replaced after the 1993 model year by the new S14 design. In 1998, the S13 Silvia was resurrected, in part. A variant was produced by Kid's Heart (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kid%27s_Heart&action=edit&redlink=1) for Nissan called the Sileighty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sileighty), which featured the 180SX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_180SX) body with the front end from the Silvia. The Sileighty style was originally created by Japanese enthusiasts for their own 180SX's, and is still a common modification for the 180SX and 240SX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_240SX) fastback.



[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nissan_Silvia&action=edit&section=8)] Trim Level Designation

The S13 Silvia was the first S-series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_S_platform) car to use the J's , Q's, and K's (references to the face cards of English playing cards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playing_cards)) designations for the different trim levels or "grades."

The J's was the base model with a very basic interior, few standard amenities, and 14" steel wheels. The Q's model offered a slightly more refined experience and received electric options and an available LSD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_slip_differential). The K's grade received the turbocharged CA18DET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_CA_engine#CA18DET) or SR20DET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SR_engine#SR20DET) (depending on the year of manufacture) in addition to the options offered on the Q's.

On top of the K's and Q's models, The Club and Diamond Selection packages came with specific options bundled together. For example, all K's Club Selections came with projector headlamps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headlamp#Projector_.28polyellipsoidal.29_lamps), a rear spoiler, and 15" aluminum wheels.

The rare Silvia A's "Almighty" was introduced in late 1992. Trim wise, the Almighty slotted between the J's and Q's, offering options not available on J's, but not including all the standard features of Q's. The Almighty was purportedly offered as a "purer" form of the sports car. The only available engine/transmission was the naturally-aspirated SR20DE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SR_engine#SR20DE) coupled with the 4-speed automatic.



[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nissan_Silvia&action=edit&section=9)] S14

Nissan Silvia (S14)http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Nissan_S14_front.jpg/200px-Nissan_S14_front.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Nissan_S14_front.jpg)
1993-1996 S14 (Zenki)


Production1994-1998Body style(s) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_body_style)2-door coupe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupe), 2-door convertible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convertible)Layout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_layout)FR layout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FR_layout)Engine(s)2.0 L DOHC-I4 (SR20DE), 160-165 PS
2.0 L DOHC Turbo-I4 (SR20DET), 225-250 PS
Transmission(s) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_%28mechanics%29)5 speed manual transmission
4 speed automatic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_transmission)Wheelbase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheelbase)2525 mm (99.4 in)Length4498 mm (177.0 in)Width1727 mm (68.0 in)Height1288 mm (50.7 in)Curb weight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curb_weight)1253 kg (2762 lb)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/S14.jpg/200px-S14.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:S14.jpg)
1996-1998 S14 (Kouki)


The S14 Silvia debuted in Japan at the end of 1993. It was lower and wider than the S13. New rounded styling contributed to the illusion of a much greater increase in size than actually occurred. Wheelbase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheelbase) and track were both increased, leading to slightly improved handling. Unlike export (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export) markets, where sales of the S14 chassis variants faltered, the Silvia remained popular in Japan.

Trim level designations were similar to the S13, however the Club Selection package was dropped. "Aero" variants of the Q's and K's were offered that featured large rear wings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoiler_%28automotive%29) and mild ground effects (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect_in_cars).

The S14 Silvia K's received a new version of the SR20DET, boasting a slight bump in power due to the implementation of Nissan's variable valve timing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_valve_timing) system, VTC, and a larger T28 turbocharger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbocharger).

There was a mild styling update to the S14 during 1996, which added aggressive-looking projector headlamps and tinted taillights to all models. Fascias and other exterior trim pieces were also revised. The turbocharger now used a more efficient ball bearing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_bearing) center section. This updated version is popularly known as the kouki (後期, literally "later period") S14, or by enthusiasts as the CS14. The final model year of S14 production in all markets was 2000.



[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nissan_Silvia&action=edit&section=10)] 270R

The Nismo 270R was a limited edition vehicle developed by Nissan Motorsports. The vehicle was built on the S14 chassis but had many enhancements over the Silvia. Only fifty 270Rs were ever built and they were only produced in 1994. The '270' is in reference to the horsepower of the unique car as opposed to the displacement of the engine (as other vehicles, including the 240sx, were previously named upon). The 270R featured a vented hood, Nismo 'Edge' Aero kit, heavy duty clutch, 2-way limited slip differential, and a front mount intercooler among many other upgrades. All the 270s were painted black with 'Nismo 270R' badging above the rear wheels and a product numbered plaque in the glove compartment.



[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nissan_Silvia&action=edit&section=11)] Autech K's MF-T

Tuning company Autech (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autech), has a tuned adaption of the CS14 King's variant. This includes Aero style HUD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-up_display) with white displays and gauges for oil pressure, boost, and voltage in the centre console, along with a MOMO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOMO) steering wheel and leather gear knob. The interior trim is also revised.

Handling improvements include multi-link suspension, firmer shocks and springs, front strut brace, and a rear sway bar. A large F40 style rear spoiler and aero bodykit with Autech indicators are also fitted. An "Autech Version K's MF-T" badge and sticker can be found on the boot.

An IHI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IHI) ball bearing turbo (VN14) was fitted in favour of the Garrett T28 for slightly quicker response and flow. Larger 480 cc Injectors found in the later S15 Spec R's were also fitted as well as a thicker 80 mm intercooler also found in S15's. To help expel exhaust, a higher flowing Fujitsubo Giken (FGK) exhaust was fitted.

The engine is an Autech-tuned SR20DET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR20DET) that produces 182kW (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KW) (245HP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP)).

According to the Autech website, the vehicle is still available at a cost of ¥2.99 Million Yen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yen) ($USD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USD)26875).



[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nissan_Silvia&action=edit&section=12)] S15

Nissan Silvia (S15)http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/Nissan_s15.jpg/250px-Nissan_s15.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Nissan_s15.jpg)
S15 Silvia Spec-R Aero


Production1999–2002Body style(s) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_body_style)2-door coupe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupe), 2-door convertible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convertible)Layout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_layout)FR layout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FR_layout)Engine(s)2.0 L DOHC-I4 (SR20DE), 165 PS
2.0 L DOHC Turbo-I4 (SR20DET), 250 PS
Transmission(s) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_%28mechanics%29)5 or 6 speed manual transmission
4 speed automatic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_transmission)Wheelbase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheelbase)99.4 in (2525 mm)Length175.0 in (4445 mm)Width66.7 in (1695 mm)Height50.6 in (1285 mm)Curb weight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curb_weight)2650-2800 lb (1200-1270 kg)

Japan saw a new version of the Silvia (S15) in 1999, now boasting 250 hp (184 kW) from its SR20DET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SR_engine) engine, thanks to a slight turbocharger upgrade, as well as improved engine management. The SR20DE (non-turbo motor) featured only 165 hp (121 kW).

The S15 Silvia included aggressive styling inside and out; upgrades to the chassis and suspension, including increased use of light alloy suspension components; and for the first time, a six-speed manual transmission (in addition to a 5-speed manual transmission and a four-speed automatic). Also for the first time, instead of a viscous limited slip differential (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_slip_differential), the S15 offered a more effective helical limited slip unit.

For the S15 Silvia, the model lineup was initially simplified to just the Spec-S (non-turbo) and Spec-R (turbo), both models offering an "Aero" variant with a large rear wing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoiler_%28automotive%29) and mild ground effects (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect_in_cars). The Spec-R featured the available 6-speed manual transmission, increased body and suspension rigidity, 4-piston front brake calipers, a larger brake power booster, the upgraded helical limited slip differential, and HICAS (High Capacity Active Steering) four wheel steering as an option; the Spec-S featured only a 5-speed manual transmission (in addition to a 4-speed automatic available on both the Spec-S and the Spec-R), lacks the additional support structures of the Spec-R, 2-piston front brake calipers, a slightly smaller brake power booster, and the viscous limited slip differential.

The line was later expanded to include various luxury and upgrade option packages for both the Spec-S and Spec-R. Autech (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autech), a specialty car developer, also offered several tuned versions of the S15; one with body and interior trim modeled after the Ferrari 456 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_456), called the style-A, available in both Spec-S and Spec-R based trims; and a second tuned version was based of the Spec-S trim level with the engine output increased to 200 hp (150 kW) through the use of increased compression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_ratio), more aggressive camshafts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camshaft), and free-breathing intake and exhaust tracts, along with ECU tuning and upgrades to the chassis and suspension. This version also included the 6-speed transmission and other upgrades normally found only in the Spec-R.

There was also a convertible variant of the Silvia, called the Varietta, featuring a folding retractable hardtop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retractable_hardtop). The Varietta was built by Autech and was based on the Spec-S model, featuring the same naturally aspirated engine, with a choice of the 4-speed automatic transmission or the 5-speed manual transmission.

Production of the Silvia ended in August of 2002 amidst Nissan's efforts to reduce its myriad of platforms. Nissan's sole sports car platform in the world is now the FM Platform (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_FM_platform), which underpins the current Fairlady Z (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairlady_Z) and Skyline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Skyline); marketed in the United States as the 350Z (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_350Z) and Infiniti G35 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infiniti_G35) respectively.

[seanrg1116]

rb series engines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine

sr series engines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SR_engine

start reading man you have alot to learn.

[JITB]

i just learned the diff between kouki and zenki...lol

[Hayes21890]

S15 FTMFW

[slostang]

basic nissan engine code breakdown I think its right,

for example sr20det (sr) engine series, 20 (2.0 liter) de (dohc) t (turbo)

[quickdodge®]

Later, QD.

[BlkCD5]

:lmao:

[Blitanicle99]

S13s are the most common. Everyone likes to slide em because they are 50/50.
S14s are a little nicer, not as many drifters because they are not 50/50 but can be quite easiliy IIRC.
S15s,.... are just plain badass if you can get one with a title. Good luck.

[SixSquared]

Hey you Nismo guys.......Help me come over to the DARK SIDE! :devil:

I have been Honda/Acura for years and I'm thinking about going RWD now.

I am looking into buying my first 240 but I don't know enuff about them to make an informed decision. I tried looking around but I couldnt find all the info in one place. Should have tried google

What model years are more popular than others and why?? There's not a more popular year, necessarily... You have your s13 camps and your s14 camps.. usually s13 people are highschoolers/younger people because the s14's have gotten pricey as people realize that they, too, can be a do-rifto king

What is the differences in S13, S14, etc. etc....what do they mean? Are certain s13 things good or bad as well as s14s?
S13 - 89-94. Came in hatch and coupe models, as well as pignose and sharknose fronts. SOHC and DOHC engines (KA24E and KA24DE, respectively) You want pics, google.

S14 Zenki - 95/96... rounded headlights, only came in a coupe, pretty sure that they only came with the DOHC engines (KA24DE). Came in base model and SE models. SEs had 5 lug wheels, better audio, nicer interior stuff, and sometimes a limited slip. However, you can get a base model that has every option that the SE model has, minus the 5 lug.

S14 Kouki - 97/98, the last USDM 240 that was made. Angular front, nicer taillights, but that's about the only difference. Same deal goes with the engines and base model vs SE models... good luck finding one of these for under $7000.

I see engines that are red tops and black tops...what is the diff?
The JDM SR20 engines come in red top and black top models... I believe the blacktop ones are newer, and are out of JDM S14 and S15 cars, whereas the redtop engines are out of s13's. I could be wrong. Google it. Either way, this is a JDM only engine, and despite all the hype it gets, it's not all that great.

I see different engines ...SR this and that...is there a difference like Hondas are VTEC or not? Difference in torque like B16, B17, B18, etc? SR20s are actually going to have lower basemap torque than the KA24 that comes in the USDM cars. The KA24 is a 2.4L motor, the SR20 is a 2.0L motor. To make up for that, they slapped a factory turbo on it. Nissan doesn't have anything like VTEC.. they just put factory turbos on. But there's no way to slice that a KA24 has more displacement than an SR20. WHEN BUILT CORRECTLY (but no one ever does), KA24 turbos can be sicknasty.

I see some engines are DET and others aren't...?
An SR20DE came in Nissan Sentra SpecV's, among other cars. Just a 2.0L naturally aspirated motor. The SR20DET is the turbo.. DET = DOHC Turbo.. like you have an RB25DET, which is a 2.5L DOHC inline 6 turbo out of an R33 skyline.

And finally, What the hell is a kouki??? Just a body generation...like saying EG vs EF for hondas.

And PS... QD will endlessly ream you for having a 240, but they are fun little cars..

Thanks for your posts and assistance.

Any other questions, hit google or 240Atlanta.com

[HELLRAZOR]

^^^^^ Thanks for the info. +1 for you and the others.

FUCCE QD and his nutswingin' followers....he will ream anyone endlessly for no reason at all. He is the biggest waste of human flesh there ever was.

[quickdodge®]

he will ream anyone endlessly for no reason at all.

Only the idiots for the obvious reasons. Later, QD.

[j0natell0]

register on 240atlanta.com

basic 240 info

http://www.240atlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=616

[Z33_kid]

^^ yes

[MSRTom]

Man, not that I really care what others think (you shouldn't either, OP) but I've wanted a 240 for so long, but now they're the hot item and everyone's picking them up.

Oh well.

[rupertaker]

kouki means late model, zenki means early model. Not necessarily relating to S14's, or even 240's, although it's understood as a 97-98 240.

to help you understand, a 96-98 EK hatch would be a zenki and 99-00 hatch would be a kouki.

[koukis14]

kouki means late model, zenki means early model. Not necessarily relating to S14's, or even 240's, although it's understood as a 97-98 240.

to help you understand, a 96-98 EK hatch would be a zenki and 99-00 hatch would be a kouki.

Don't ever refer to a Civic as a kouki again:eek:

[rupertaker]

Don't ever refer to a Civic as a kouki again:eek:

**** yourself, civics are fun.

[koukis14]

**** yourself, civics are fun.

So are fat girls.

[JBizzlebone]

Man, not that I really care what others think (you shouldn't either, OP) but I've wanted a 240 for so long, but now they're the hot item and everyone's picking them up.

Oh well.

Who the **** cares if everyone has one. Buy one, fix it up, slide it some, have some fun. If you want to be different, paint pink daffodil's all over it and throw some Kia Rio wheels on it.

http://media.automotive.com/evox/stilllib/kia/rio/2006/4sa/42.jpg
pimp!!!

[JBizzlebone]

Damn, I didn't realize this was my first post. Feel privileged!

[MSRTom]

Who the **** cares if everyone has one. Buy one, fix it up, slide it some, have some fun. If you want to be different, paint pink daffodil's all over it and throw some Kia Rio wheels on it.

:lmfao: That was a good one.

I'll end up doing something a little different, of course. But this isn't coming any time soon. I have some Mustangs to take care of first.

Back to the OP's thread, don't want to hijack.

[JBizzlebone]

Yeah, didn't mean to hi-hack, but I couldn't help myself. However, I think all of OP's questions have been answered. The first reply pretty much took care of it.

Having owned both an S13 and S14 I can say there is very little difference in how each one handles, despite the upset in the weight balance. It pretty much comes down to which chassis you prefer.

[Fr33way]

kouki means late model, zenki means early model. Not necessarily relating to S14's, or even 240's, although it's understood as a 97-98 240.

to help you understand, a 96-98 EK hatch would be a zenki and 99-00 hatch would be a kouki.

Yep, it's pretty common uber 133t JDM speak...