So whats the point???

[teh_mugen18]

Whats the use of having a narrow-band AFR gauge if it doesnt actually work the way its supposed to (other than looks...)? Also, is it possible to have it work the way its supposed to if you include a wideband o2 sensor?

[gtikid]

Dude why don't you get all your questions together, write them down, and then make one big thread with all your questions. If you look in this section, all you find is posts by you and your old name (Madking) asking millions of questions that a simple search would answer. Go on Honda-Tech, take your time and read through all the threads in their Tech Sections. Or just do a search on whatever you have a question on and you'll find more than enough information than what you're looking for

[Tech5]

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Dude why don't you get all your questions together, write them down, and then make one big thread with all your questions. If you look in this section, all you find is posts by you and your old name (Madking) asking millions of questions that a simple search would answer. Go on Honda-Tech, take your time and read through all the threads in their Tech Sections. Or just do a search on whatever you have a question on and you'll find more than enough information than what you're looking for

[AnthonyF]

gtikid-hahaha your hilarious. the narrow band really is pointless, but it isnt needed really if your not running an F.I. setup.

-Ant.

[teh_mugen18]

^^^^^^^^thanks.

"You must spread rep around before giving it to AnthonyF again.":doh:

[d16_turbo]

the good thing about a narrow band is you will always be running rich :)

[teh_mugen18]

the good thing about a narrow band is you will always be running rich :)



:D yep, even when the car is bone-dry outta gas and is stuck on the side of the road, it'll still be rich with no gas goin in or out of the motor :lmfao:


but is it possible to make it run in a "tune-able" way if you include a wideband o2? nobody answered that part....

[Nemesis]

haha I had a guy tell me one time he tunes his car with a narrow band gauge...everytime he went WOT it was "pig rich" , so he kept turning the injector pulses down until....boom LOL Ill never forget that day

[teh_mugen18]

haha I had a guy tell me one time he tunes his car with a narrow band gauge...everytime he went WOT it was "pig rich" , so he kept turning the injector pulses down until....boom LOL Ill never forget that day

:eek: WOW.

but, is it possible to get it to be "normal" by including a wideband oxygen sensor into the equation?

[blackshine007]

A narrow band AFR gauge is actually quite beneficial for all the wrong reasons. First off, it lets you know when you have a good or bad O2 sensor(s). A good O2 sensor will flash back and forth. A bad O2 sensor will stay rich or lean. Before all you nerds out there go out and say that you can always check it's performance with a scanner or with a multimeter, nothing is better than viewing performance on the fly. I want to get some because it always seem like I'm having an O2 issue. I have places to hide my gauges so I don't have to worry about all the flashing lights. Second, if you are trying to get a person to run you, all those flashing lights is a street racer's wet dream so put them on your pillar and watch the rice come in flocks.

In short, only for a testing standpoint and for more attention.

[AnthonyF]

^thats what a CEL is for. It still is a waste of money. If you have A.D.D. and get distracted easily, espically while driving, dont get the narrow band.

-Ant.

[JITB]

:D yep, even when the car is bone-dry outta gas and is stuck on the side of the road, it'll still be rich with no gas goin in or out of the motor :lmfao:


but is it possible to make it run in a "tune-able" way if you include a wideband o2? nobody answered that part....


if u get a wideband it will come with a egt gauge, and you wont need the narrow band anyway. the narrow band is useless, besides telling you if ur o2 works or not... my car came with one...and it dances like crazy all day..lol

dont listen to gtikid, ask anything you wont, thats how you learn....and for the love of god dont make honda tech your mecahnical bible.. :screwy:

[Nemesis]

may I reccommend the Innovate setup or possibly Zeitronix.


I personally had the LM-1 with XD-1 gauge kit and loved it. I regret selling that.

[AnthonyF]

may I reccommend the Innovate setup or possibly Zeitronix.I saw their setup at SEMA and LOVED it. I already had the AutoMeter though. But I would def recommend the Zeitronix. I have their decal everywhere, even right here on my laptop. :goodjob:
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u180/TRYMY40/lapyop.jpg
-Ant.

[JITB]

nice a riced out laptop..

[AnthonyF]

you should see the other side.....

-Ant.

[d_day87]

nice a riced out laptop..


lol

[blackshine007]

^thats what a CEL is for. It still is a waste of money.
-Ant.

Actually, OBDII responds quicker to non reacting O2 sensors over a OBDI system. You can take it down the road and watch the thing not react and the light will stay off. Your fuel economy will suffer and all while the light never came on. If on an OBDII system an O2 sensor is just a bit on the slow side but still works, the light will come on. Very sensitive and I wish OBDI was like that. That's why I wouldn't consider it (the AFR gauges) being a waste of money. Especially if you have more than 1 O2 sensor like myself, which I have 2 and one of which isn't reacting. No CEL, btw. On an OBDII car, I wouldn't consider it on an OBDII car because you can hook up any scanner on the fly and you can watch it's performance.

[teh_mugen18]

may I reccommend the Innovate setup or possibly Zeitronix.


I personally had the LM-1 with XD-1 gauge kit and loved it. I regret selling that.

On my last car, i was looking into getting a Innovate setup. I think ill still look into getting one for my teg...:thinking:. cuz ive been meaning to get the tools/gauges/sensors etc. to make my car tune-able on any level. Right now, i only have intake and exhaust, but im going to try to install an Innovate wideband afr setup, Apex'i VAFC, and and Aeromotive adjstable FPR so that i can make my car tuneable at any stage in its life; From just the way it is, all the way til im completely built and boosted. :goodjob: :goodjob:

[Vteckidd]

ITs really simple.

The Narrow band o2 sensor, has NO WIDEBAND SENSOR. SO how could it possibly tell you the accurate A/F Ratio?

Its tapped in off the factory O2 sensor, and all it does is read between WOT an lift throttle or CLosed loop and Open loop. It does NOT tell you A/F Ratio, it tells you when you touch the gas, that is it. Same thing a stock o2 sensor does.

A WIDEBAND is usually something like the AEM UEGO. It is a GAUGE that tells an A/F RATIO an displays it. It comes with a Wideband o2 sensor.

FOr the average person, the AEM UEGO is fine, its cheap, $200-250, easy to install and comes with a cool gauge. Its very accurate too.

For the person thats a little more hardcore, the Innovative is what i prefer because of its datalogging capabilitites. But its $350-400

[Vteckidd]

Innovate wideband afr setup, Apex'i VAFC, and and Aeromotive adjstable FPR so that i can make my car tuneable at any stage in its life; From just the way it is, all the way til im completely built and boosted. :goodjob: :goodjob:

Id ditch the VAFC then if you plan on boosting, its worthless with boost.

And while its good to run a wideband, the innovative is overkill, id stick with the AEM UEGO.

i HOPE YOU DONT plan on tuning it yourself

[teh_mugen18]

Id ditch the VAFC then if you plan on boosting, its worthless with boost.

And while its good to run a wideband, the innovative is overkill, id stick with the AEM UEGO.

i HOPE YOU DONT plan on tuning it yourself

no, i dont plan on tuning it myself.:D
But, as for the rest of it, I guess it sounds good?

how is the innovative overkill?

[Vteckidd]

The innovative is overkill for you because the one you should be looking at is the XD16 an its $500.

Trust me, for what you are trying to do, the AEM UEGO is the better option.

[teh_mugen18]

The innovative is overkill for you because the one you should be looking at is the XD16 an its $500.

Trust me, for what you are trying to do, the AEM UEGO is the better option.

Ohhhhh okay...:eek: ...

I just looked at it a few minutes ago, and it looks pretty good to me. Not too costly either. :goodjob:

[gtikid]

dont listen to gtikid, ask anything you wont, thats how you learn....and for the love of god dont make honda tech your mecahnical bible.. :screwy:

Yea JITB is right. Ask IA where there's less than a handful of people, such as Vteckidd, that would be able to help you with your question about your HONDA :thinking: :screwy: :dunno:

[Vteckidd]

if u get a wideband it will come with a egt gauge, and you wont need the narrow band anyway. the narrow band is useless, besides telling you if ur o2 works or not... my car came with one...and it dances like crazy all day..lol

dont listen to gtikid, ask anything you wont, thats how you learn....and for the love of god dont make honda tech your mecahnical bible.. :screwy:


Well ive never seen a wideband come with an EGT gauge. That would be an exhaust gas temperature gauge, not a wideband.

As far as HT is concerned, its a great site with tons of usefull info as long as you know how to use it and dont believe everything you read.

As far as the constant threads, yeah iuts a little old. Perhaps 1thread with more than 1 question would be better. He does seem to ask alot of mndane questions, but then again he seeems like he listens so at least hes getting some kind of help.

[JITB]

Yea JITB is right. Ask IA where there's less than a handful of people, such as Vteckidd, that would be able to help you with your question about your HONDA :thinking: :screwy: :dunno:


there is plenty of helpful people on here...as many so called know it alls on IA. The tech section should be the #1 place! you ask questions you learn!

I also got the afr, and the egt guage mixed up... :(